Bring on the Maple Leafs | Pucks with Haggs

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Joe Haggerty is joined today by Mick Colageo following the conclusion of the regular season. Joe and Mick look ahead to the Bruins Round 1 matchup against the Toronto Maple Leafs, and take a look back at the B's lackluster ending to the season. Are they ready for the playoffs? That, and much more!





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00:00 I mean, come on, four shots on net in the first couple of periods last night, whether
00:03 they have like three or four on net, you know, every period they played against what they
00:07 were dated, not like they were like they were trying offensively at all.
00:10 It was zero effort offensively to do anything like they were keeping the games respectable,
00:15 playing good defense.
00:16 Swaman played well, but they were not playing to win either one of those games in my opinion.
00:20 So I think they got what they wanted.
00:23 They're going to get a team that I think they've dominated all year and it's going to be a
00:26 good matchup.
00:26 Welcome to another edition of the Pucks with Hags podcast.
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01:01 I believe this is the 82nd episode of the Pucks with Hags podcast.
01:05 I have a friend and colleague, Mick Colaggio, here with me today.
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02:32 All right, Mick, first, before we get into it, please plug away where everybody can find
02:37 your work.
02:38 - Okay.
02:39 RankRap, my blog, I link to it on Exxon on Facebook.
02:46 My Sunday column on bostonhockeynow.com and seasonal issues of the hockey news, I write
02:51 the little Bruins part when they come out with those things like Prospects, yearbook,
02:58 Money Power, and I do podcasts like this.
03:03 - That's right.
03:04 And we're always glad to have Mick.
03:06 Let's get into it, Mick.
03:08 Bruins lose three to one to the Ottawa Senators last night.
03:12 Nearly five periods of lackluster hockey going back to the previous game against Washington
03:18 and the first two periods against Ottawa, just barely even getting shots on net.
03:23 They finally sort of turned it on and woke up in the third period, put 23 shots on Anton
03:30 Forsberg, could only get one by him, ended up losing three to one on an empty net goal
03:36 at the end.
03:39 Your thoughts on the way the season ended and obviously now with the way things ended,
03:46 they lost out on the Atlantic Division to the Florida Panthers who beat the Maple Leafs
03:49 last night.
03:50 The Florida Panthers will face the Tampa Bay Lightning in the first round.
03:53 The Bruins will host the Toronto Maple Leafs.
03:56 I would assume it's going to be Saturday night at eight o'clock hockey night in Canada for
03:59 game one.
04:01 Your thoughts on what we've seen over the last few days and the playoff opponent.
04:07 If I had a pillow on me, I'd give you an illustration because I want to put my head under it.
04:13 I just hate the way the Bruins finished this season.
04:16 It does not inspire hope that they're going to play well and turn on, find that switch.
04:24 Somebody located for the third period.
04:26 That's great that they found it, but I just don't, I think they're playing with fire to
04:32 peter out the way they did.
04:34 They talked it down when they started, I don't want to say they mailed in games, but I don't
04:40 think I've ever seen a team have this good a season numbers wise, statistics, standings
04:46 wise, and be so completely dependent on a certain high threshold of compete that makes
04:55 the difference between being able to lose to anyone and being able to beat anyone.
05:00 But that's them.
05:01 So if the theory holds true that that's going to come naturally to them when the puck drops
05:07 Saturday, then maybe I should get my head out from underneath that pillow.
05:16 But it's not inspiring what happened this past week.
05:21 It just isn't.
05:22 No, I mean, it's never inspiring to watch a team mail in games, Mick, but we've seen
05:27 this before at the end of regular seasons with, especially with teams where most things
05:33 are clinched or they're sort of jockeying for position in the playoffs.
05:37 When things really sort of come into focus as to who you're going to play.
05:40 I'm going to tell you right now, and I had people around the league asking me this last
05:44 night, I think the Bruins didn't want to play the lightning.
05:49 I think they wanted to play the Toronto Maple Leafs.
05:51 I think they wanted the Florida Panthers to win the division.
05:53 I think they played the last two games like they didn't want to win them.
05:56 And it's a terrible thing to do.
05:59 It's a terrible thing to lose on purpose.
06:01 And I wouldn't say that I wouldn't be that strong about it, but I don't think the motivation
06:06 was there for them to go balls out and win these games against, certainly against a Washington
06:11 team that was fighting for their playoff lives.
06:14 And then against an Ottawa team that had some pride and wanted to close out the season.
06:17 And obviously Forsberg played unbelievable last night in net for the senators to the
06:21 Bruins could have and should have probably tied up that game and won it in the third
06:24 period.
06:25 And they would have had some great saves at that point when they finally woke up.
06:28 But I think they look like a team that really didn't want to win these games that wanted
06:33 to finish second, that wanted to play a team in the Toronto Maple Leafs that they've beaten
06:37 in six straight playoff series, beaten a bunch of players who are not playoff hardened players,
06:42 even after all these years are not the elite players they are during the regular season
06:46 in the playoffs.
06:47 A team that does have shaky goaltending, a team whose defense is not great.
06:52 I think it's a much better matchup for them in the first round, the Toronto Maple Leafs
06:56 than the Tampa Bay Lightning would have.
06:57 I think just the experience, the, the cups, the superstar players that show up when it's
07:04 money time in the playoffs that the Lightning have Andre Vazilevsky is the ultimate stopper
07:09 at the end of it, you know, him versus the goaltending that the Toronto Maple Leafs have.
07:13 I think Tampa Bay is a much more formidable playoff opponent when it gets to, you know,
07:19 when stuff gets real in the post season than the Toronto Maple Leafs are.
07:22 And I think that's why the Bruins played the way they did the last couple of games.
07:25 They showed me everything I needed to see when they won five out of six, when they,
07:29 you know, played a bunch of playoff teams, beat them, played really, really well, you
07:33 know, played shutdown defense, scored goals, did all the things they had to do.
07:39 You know, played some of their best hockey of the season, their best sort of two way
07:41 complete 60 minute hockey of the season in those games.
07:46 I really throw out what we saw in the last two games out the window.
07:50 I've seen too many irrelevant late season, regular season games with teams that are going
07:54 to the playoffs to really get worried about it.
07:57 I don't think Jim Montgomery, especially after the Washington game, he didn't, he just like
08:02 was like, that's a mulligan and kind of threw it out.
08:04 Like he, he spoke the truth that they weren't at the level of the capitals were, but he
08:08 did not seem worked up about it in any way, shape or form.
08:12 I think last night it was more of the same.
08:14 I don't think he was, you know, I think he was more focused on the playoffs and thinking
08:18 about that last night and seemed to be more in playoff mode and looking ahead to that
08:22 than worried about what had just happened on the ice.
08:25 So that's my thoughts on, on the way the season ended.
08:28 I think on some level, whether it was psychologically, whether it was in the back of their minds,
08:32 I don't think they really needed, felt like they needed those games.
08:36 I think they felt like they would be better off playing Toronto in the first round.
08:40 Maybe it's be careful what you ask for.
08:42 Like who knows if you know, the hockey gods and karma will come back to bite them for
08:46 sort of, you know, maybe maneuvering things at the end like they did.
08:51 But I just looked, I mean, come on four shots on net in the first couple of periods last
08:55 night, whether they have like three or four on net, you know, every period they played
08:59 against what they were data, not like they were like, they were trying offensively at
09:02 all.
09:03 It looked, there was zero effort offensively to do anything.
09:06 Like they were keeping the games respectable, playing good defense, Swayman played well,
09:10 but they were not playing to win either one of those games in my opinion.
09:12 So I think they got what they wanted.
09:15 They're going to get a team that I think they've dominated all year and it's going to be a
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10:14 I have a hard time, as plausible as it sounds theoretically, and the part you didn't really
10:25 touch on is that when they do have to get Florida or Tampa in the second round, that's
10:30 going to be after those two teams have an interstate war.
10:33 Correct.
10:34 They beat each other up.
10:36 So they might get a compromised version of one of those teams.
10:39 So to pile on to your plausible theory, that said, tacking the question from a separate
10:47 prism here, I have a hard time believing that the game of hockey at this level can be negotiated
10:57 that way.
11:00 I think that if you couldn't get motivated and find that pitch level that the Bruins
11:06 seem so dependent on all year to play at a level that makes them viable against good
11:12 competition, then that I can understand.
11:16 The idea that, "Yeah, I don't want to play them."
11:20 So that saps motivation.
11:23 I just think that they still at first, what a season not to have Bergeron, Creechie, or
11:29 their deadline pickups and come back with this team, accomplish what they did and get
11:35 to this point, have a chance to win the division.
11:39 It seems antithetical to me that they wouldn't have all the motivation that they needed to
11:44 go out and get that.
11:45 And it bothers me that they didn't.
11:48 So you got to play one of these teams in the second round if you don't play them in the
11:53 first.
11:54 So I have a hard time engaging the process of that thought from an angle of what they
12:03 did as a team and what they say all year long and what they care about goes on inside that
12:08 one room.
12:09 And that's what they care about.
12:10 They don't worry about what's on the outside unless they've been telling us a big fat lie.
12:14 And I just not inclined to think that that was part of this equation.
12:19 I just think that they didn't find that compete level.
12:23 And it bothers me that...
12:24 Right, but that's what I'm saying too, Mick, but there's a reason they didn't find that
12:28 compete level.
12:29 I don't think they had to do it.
12:30 Because I don't think they were really motivated to go out and show that compete level.
12:35 They were not nearly as motivated as either one of those teams those last two games.
12:39 And it was obvious watching those games that the incompetence level, the emotional level,
12:43 the effort level, all of that stuff was not there like it was for those other two teams
12:48 they were playing against.
12:49 And I think there's a reason for that.
12:50 Well, I think that the better teams have brought out better versions of the Bruins because
12:58 of the task, of the urgency.
13:00 But that's been their personality as a team all year long.
13:04 That if they need the game, if they need to perform well, they summon it.
13:08 If they don't, boy, it's really hard to get them to get up, make their bed and go to work.
13:13 Yep.
13:14 But I think that bodes well in some respects for the playoffs, because I think they will
13:18 be up for all of these games, you know, and to your point, I think that is the best sort
13:23 of pathway they could craft for themselves.
13:27 They have the best case scenario right now in the playoffs that they could have had playing
13:30 Toronto in the first round.
13:32 As you said, the two Florida teams beat each other up in the first round in the other series
13:36 in Florida.
13:37 And then you end up, if you can advance past Toronto for the seventh straight time in a
13:41 playoff series, the Toronto Maple Leafs have not beaten the Bruins in a playoff series
13:45 since 1959.
13:46 Were you even on this planet in 1959, Mick?
13:49 Yes, I was, but I had not yet been to my first Bruins game.
13:53 There you go.
13:54 That would not happen for another nine years.
13:56 At least Mick was alive for that one.
14:00 He doesn't remember it, but he was on this planet.
14:03 He was on this mortal coil.
14:05 So you know, so I think like this worked out as well as it could have.
14:12 Does it mean they were going to win the cup?
14:13 No.
14:14 Does it mean they're going to get to the conference finals?
14:15 No.
14:16 I mean, I said this to you before we started the show.
14:18 I think what it means selfishly from our perspective as reporters and as people covering the team
14:24 is that we'll maybe, you know, we'll get at least a month out of this team in the playoffs,
14:28 which would be awesome.
14:29 I am not signing up to that theory.
14:32 I don't like, I think they're the other piece of the, they're the X factor though.
14:36 And I don't like how they're coming to it.
14:38 Yeah, no, I understand that.
14:40 But like I said, I've been doing this too long.
14:44 I've covered too many regular seasons.
14:45 I've seen too many times when teams look like hot garbage at the end of the season.
14:50 And then as soon as the playoffs start, it's a totally different thing, especially with
14:53 a team that, like I said, the previous six or seven games before those last two, they
14:59 looked so good that I really am not worried about it.
15:02 I think they showed everything they needed to show and showed Jim Montgomery, frankly,
15:07 after he told him to wake the F up in a practice, showed the coaching staff and him what they
15:13 needed to see.
15:14 It took that though.
15:15 You know what I'm saying?
15:16 How long would that have gone on?
15:17 Not at all.
15:18 It's going to take things like that.
15:20 Like for most teams, I think it takes that.
15:22 I think when you remove Patrice Bergeron and Zidane O'Chara from the equation, I think
15:27 maybe it's going to take stuff like that sometimes from somebody else in order to get that out
15:31 of them.
15:32 You know, I do.
15:34 And I think that's what we're seeing.
15:35 I think we're also seeing a young team that, you know, a lot of these guys, I think don't,
15:41 were having a harder time understanding how much they needed to raise the level of what
15:46 they were doing, the intensity of what they were doing, the physicality of what they were
15:49 doing to meet the playoff standard.
15:51 And I think they started to finally figure it out at that point.
15:54 And that's good coaching.
15:55 Like, I think, you know, it'd be a great interview right now off the record.
15:59 Pat Maroon.
16:01 Yeah.
16:02 I would love to sit with him right now off the record and hear exactly what he thinks
16:07 since he's gotten here.
16:08 Yeah.
16:09 Yeah.
16:10 I don't know.
16:11 That would be interesting.
16:12 He's been everywhere to where he's been.
16:13 But, but, you know, we're not, he's not going to get the full complete picture until the
16:17 playoff start either of what these guys are made out of, what the room is like, like all
16:21 that stuff.
16:22 Like when the real playoff bullets start whizzing around, I think that's when you start seeing,
16:27 you'll see the true colors of everybody and he'll be able to get a real better sort of
16:31 understanding and evaluation of what's going on.
16:34 But that, that will be interesting if you could get, you know, what he thinks of this
16:39 room as opposed to other rooms.
16:40 I don't think, I honestly, I think this room is figuring it out.
16:46 That's my feeling is I think those players are learning.
16:48 I think some of those players that needed to sort of step into the void with all those
16:52 other players, retiring the playoff warriors, the guys that had been doing it for a long
16:56 time, a lot of these other players are going to have to step up and be those people now.
17:00 And I think they're figuring it out.
17:01 I think we're starting to see that some of them are stepping into that and this will
17:04 be their real opportunity now playing the league.
17:07 I believe it's a huge opportunity for the younger core of this team to announce itself.
17:12 It is.
17:13 There's no question.
17:14 This is it.
17:15 And I think, and like I said, that doesn't mean they have to win the cup to do that.
17:19 I think winning a round, playing a couple of rounds, maybe even getting to the conference
17:24 finals this year, making a step, a tangible step in the playoffs from last year is good
17:30 enough.
17:31 Like I know everybody wants to win the cup and I know fans are going to be all in for
17:34 the cup, especially after a really good regular season, but making a step forward from where
17:38 they were last year, especially with this new cast of characters and with the summer
17:42 where they're going to really be able to build and augment this roster and add to it.
17:46 I think that's what you need to see.
17:48 And I think that's what they have to do.
17:49 And that's sort of the task or the mission at hand.
17:52 And if they get rolling and they get through the first two rounds, because it was advantageous
17:56 for them and they get some momentum, then all the more power to them, you know.
18:00 I still feel that way about the team in general, even if they don't do well in this series
18:05 and go out in five games or so.
18:08 I mean, if that happened, I'd be disappointed and I'd feel like they need to address the
18:15 whole urgency issue.
18:19 I think if they lose in five games, Mick, and if they lose in the first round again,
18:23 I think, you know, Jim Montgomery might have to answer some questions, especially after
18:27 a disappointment in the playoffs last year.
18:29 If it's another sort of disappointing performance in the playoffs this year, I think there's
18:33 going to be some hard questions there.
18:35 Well, especially considering that, you know, Don Sweeney hired him under duress.
18:41 Yeah.
18:42 He didn't he wouldn't he didn't think he was going to be going for a new coach.
18:47 Yep.
18:48 So Toronto has lost six, as we said, lost six straight playoff series to the Bruins,
18:55 have not beaten the Bruins in a playoff series since 1959.
18:58 This regular season, the Bruins were four and oh against the Maple Leafs.
19:01 I would score them 14 to seven, 949 save percentage for the Bruins in those games and 891 save
19:08 percentage in those games from the Maple Leafs.
19:11 Pasternak had seven points in four games against the Leafs.
19:13 He continues to dominate them whenever he plays them.
19:16 His numbers career wise are excellent against the Maple Leafs.
19:19 Zaka had three goals in the four games.
19:22 Dubrask had six points in the four games.
19:23 He also traditionally plays pretty well against the Maple Leafs as a good Canadian boy that
19:28 wants to do well on hockey night in Canada.
19:32 Swayman in that in the in the four game series against the Leafs this year, three and oh
19:37 one point five nine goals against nine fifty nine save percentage.
19:42 And he I thought he was excellent the other night against Washington.
19:44 He was the best player on the ice for the Bruins and kept them in that game where they
19:48 could have lost that game for it.
19:49 Four to nothing.
19:50 Five to nothing.
19:51 I, you know, when you look at the numbers, when you look at the games they played against
19:57 each other this year, when you look at where these teams are trending and what they've
20:01 done in the playoffs recently.
20:04 I just think, you know, some some people are going to say the Maple Leafs are due the Bruins.
20:09 This is a scary series.
20:10 The Bruins might be the team that finally gets knocked off if the Maple Leafs figure
20:14 it out and they can go on a run in the playoffs.
20:17 Maybe this is the year Austin Matthews and Mitch Marner and Nylander, Big Willie style
20:22 and all those guys, the core four in Toronto, sort of put it together and answer some of
20:29 those playoff questions.
20:31 I don't see it.
20:32 I think this is going to be like it may end up being a, you know, a six game series.
20:37 It may get extended a little bit.
20:39 I think the Bruins are the better team.
20:41 I think they've they're the better team equipped for the playoffs.
20:46 Maybe they're the better team when you look at the really important parts of the playoffs,
20:50 like goaltending defense.
20:51 Yes, their special teams have struggled a little bit lately.
20:55 Yes, defensively, maybe they're not as good as they've been in the past.
20:58 And that might be a bit of a concern against a team with high firepower and high octane
21:05 offense like the Maple Leafs.
21:07 But if you look at it in simple terms of the way they're built and the way they win games,
21:12 the Toronto Maple Leafs are built to pile up points in the regular season, put on an
21:16 entertaining product, you know, score 70 goals or get close to it if you're Austin Matthews,
21:22 like all that good stuff.
21:23 They're not built for the playoffs.
21:25 They never have been.
21:26 They do not build.
21:27 They invested in all of their like electric forwards and didn't invest enough in the goaltending
21:32 of the defense, whereas the Bruins are a little more well balanced as far as that goes.
21:36 Maybe certainly don't have as much sheer talent up front as the Maple Leafs do.
21:41 But I think they're a more well-rounded team, more designed to win in the regular season
21:45 and the playoffs.
21:47 And I just see this as a Bruins win, you know, probably five or six games over the Maple
21:51 Leafs in the first round.
21:52 Bruins.
21:53 I mean, Bertucci has been a better player for Toronto late in the season.
21:57 Yes, he was most of the season.
22:00 That's true.
22:01 Domi, who beat the Bruins in game seven for Carolina in 22, is is suddenly a rebel relevant
22:08 player in their lineup.
22:11 Obviously, it's the defense and the goaltending that you look up as the check.
22:18 If you do in check, check, check, check, check, the Bruins get the check in the blue line.
22:22 The Bruins get the check in the goal.
22:23 Check in the goal.
22:25 Yep.
22:26 Yeah.
22:27 They they get the big check in the goal.
22:28 I mean, and who knows, maybe a swayman does start this series.
22:32 Then he gets inside their heads because of the don't.
22:35 They know that every time they saw him this year, they couldn't do anything with him.
22:38 So so that that might be a good ploy, a good strategy to to start out with trying to discourage
22:48 them, you know, because all you need is one good game to start with.
22:53 And then he's in their heads.
22:55 And then they might there might not be any coming back from that.
23:00 That said, I I'm bothered by the Bruins propensity for giving up a big goal after scoring a big
23:08 goal.
23:09 Yeah.
23:10 Yeah.
23:11 I mean, they have I thought that that was going to be a one season thing, but but it's not.
23:16 So and and as I've said before, and I've beaten this drum to death, but I'll be watching the
23:24 Bruins on the left side of the ice and the puck retrievals, the soft dumps when the four
23:29 checks come in and see and you know what's going on as far as them, you know, getting
23:34 it cleanly, moving it out.
23:36 Are they going to become susceptible?
23:38 And are they going to pressure Toronto's D's?
23:41 Because if Toronto has a weakness back there, I know that Lilligren's been playing up.
23:47 Labushkin obviously acquired at the deadline, trying to put some glue and solidify that
23:52 defense, you know, and make it a little better than than it's been.
23:57 You know, then can they get to Morgan Riley?
24:00 Can they make him cough it up?
24:01 Can they put the body on him?
24:03 That's I haven't seen enough of that this year to convince me the Bruins going to do
24:07 it in any kind of cumulative way over the course of a series.
24:10 So I'm looking at that.
24:12 The Bruins faceoff game has been lousy all year.
24:16 You know, I'm I'm looking at that.
24:18 So you know, so there's there's a lot of little things there about the Bruins that that that
24:23 I find that that that are things that it works in progress, that as this team goes forward
24:29 in the next couple of years and retools itself and continues to buttress itself, you know,
24:35 like who's going to take those left shot D zone draws?
24:39 And are they going to win enough of them?
24:41 When Toronto has all those good sticks, they can turn those into goals.
24:46 That stuff, that stuff scares me a little bit.
24:49 So so yeah, I mean, is it a better matchup for them on paper?
24:53 Yes.
24:54 Then it would have been against either one of the Florida teams whom they would get the
24:58 winner of in the second round if they win this thing.
25:00 So so, you know, theoretically, you know, I'm not wrong about anything you've said.
25:07 I just I just have a lot of doubt about what the Bruins are bringing to the table here,
25:12 because I don't know if we're going to see the best version of themselves, minus all
25:15 the barnacles.
25:16 Yeah.
25:17 And you're right.
25:18 And that's a part of the equation.
25:20 That's why I wouldn't have them when I talked about getting a month out of this team.
25:27 That's why I would say something like that, because I saw the last two months, you win
25:30 one series, you lose.
25:31 You got it right.
25:34 Like that.
25:35 That's why I would say that, because I've seen the team over the course of the regular
25:38 season and there are some definite weaknesses on this team that can be exploited by a really
25:43 good team, a really good coach.
25:46 And they weren't they weren't completely addressed at the trade deadline because they couldn't
25:50 be completely addressed at the trade deadline because the Bruins, you know, didn't have
25:54 the cap space to really fix some of the problems that they had this year or the, you know,
25:59 draft capital, the trade assets, whatever, in order to make moves to fix some of these
26:04 things.
26:05 And they're just, you know, they're they're part they're baked in the cake with the team
26:09 with the strengths they have and the things they do well.
26:11 There are some things that other teams, you know, like you said, the face offs, the giving
26:16 up goals in the third period and blowing leads in the third period, the way they played pretty
26:21 well, pretty consistently when the goalie was pulled for the other team or when they
26:27 pulled the goalie and tried to get an empty net goal.
26:29 They've been dreadful in those situations all year when they've pulled the goalie and
26:32 tried to score almost without exception.
26:34 They've been terrible.
26:35 Their power play has really struggled down the stretch, though the bright spot, the biggest
26:40 bright spot from that game last night was the new look.
26:43 Power play got a look in the third period finally.
26:46 And wouldn't you know, Kevin Shattenkirk shooting from the point creates a rebound in front
26:51 with a screen in front and that pops out to Zaka and he scores.
26:56 And how long, Mick, how many podcasts have we talked to power play?
26:59 I said, put Shattenkirk on the top power play unit, take McAvoy off of there, put a guy
27:03 that will shoot the puck that sees the shooting lanes that will create rebounds, that will
27:07 be a threat up there and it's going to open up stuff for everybody else there.
27:11 And they've finally done it here because I think the playoff desperation is there to
27:15 do what's best for the team.
27:17 And it creates a power play goal when they were like, what, two for 30 or something like
27:20 that going into that power play.
27:22 So back up seven months when they signed Shattenkirk.
27:27 I told everybody that it would talk to me about it.
27:31 They did this for the power play.
27:33 Yeah, they know they need a better power play because they know they're not going to have
27:37 the same run support five on five.
27:39 So they got to make sure they don't have an iffy power play.
27:42 And I've been all year long, I'm waiting for Shattenkirk to be deployed here.
27:46 And if it felt like, did I get this wrong?
27:49 I mean, but here he is.
27:50 So finally, finally, finally, the fact finding mission is over.
27:54 They need Shattenkirk on the power play.
27:56 Yeah, they need somebody.
27:57 They need a defenseman that will shoot basically, you know, it's somebody that can find shooting
28:01 lanes, shoot for rebounds, intentionally wide off the end boards, like all of that stuff,
28:07 you know, like, you know, how to get it through.
28:09 Will create that action around the net that will open up scoring chances for everybody
28:14 else and open up things offensively and you're seeing it happen.
28:18 So that was like the one thing that that was good to see last night.
28:22 And, you know, the third period, they had Ottawa on the run.
28:25 Ottawa could not get the puck out of their zone.
28:27 They have them.
28:28 They had them.
28:29 If they could.
28:30 And I honestly thought Montgomery made a mistake pulling the goalie there when they had them
28:35 five on five and they had them, you know, already hemmed in down there.
28:40 I think they probably would have scored if they didn't pull a goalie based on the way
28:43 the period was going.
28:44 And instead it turns into a posture neck thrown at the middle of the ice and it turned into
28:48 an easy goal for Ottawa.
28:50 But maybe, maybe, maybe Monty was still in, like you said, looking past it to the playoffs
28:54 and maybe he has an opportunity for me to get a drill.
28:57 Yes.
28:58 And oh, by the way, if we lose here, we play Toronto on the first round.
29:02 Like I'm telling you, the conspiracy theory is out there and I connect a lot of the dots.
29:08 They're never going to admit it, but I really feel like the Bruins did not want to win those
29:13 last two games.
29:14 And there was a lot of evidence there that they made it look good and kept it close,
29:18 playing good defense, playing hard.
29:19 But offensively, they did nothing in those two games until the third period against Ottawa.
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30:46 What's your biggest key as far as Toronto goes, Mick?
30:50 What are you going to be watching with them?
30:52 Because like, I think you're right on that guys like Bertuzzi and Domi, I think are going
30:57 to be factors much like last year.
31:01 Ryan O'Reilly and Nola Chari, I thought were two of Toronto's best players in the postseason.
31:06 When they, you know, guys that they brought on as hired hands, those are the kinds of
31:10 guys it's, it's that to me, that's an indictment of the stars on Toronto when they bring in
31:16 gritty veteran players like that.
31:18 And they do more than like some of the big name guys in the playoffs that speaks very
31:24 loudly to me about, you know, what they have, their best players, what they're capable of
31:29 doing in the playoffs, as much as it speaks to the Ryan O'Reilly, Nola Chari, Max Domi,
31:35 like Tyler Bertuzzi.
31:36 Those are playoff style players.
31:38 But in addition to that, I think it, it, it's sometimes an indictment on those Maple Leafs
31:45 star guys, the core four guys, the guys that are all making 10 billion plus a year that
31:50 don't get it done in the playoffs.
31:53 So like my, my key things to look at would be, you know, a guy like guys like Austin
31:59 Matt, like Austin Matthews, really, he has to start having some superstar moments in the
32:03 playoffs much more than he's ever had before.
32:06 And the goaltending for Toronto.
32:08 I think that's a huge key.
32:09 Like is it going to be Wall?
32:12 Is there anybody else?
32:14 You know, and how good is he going to be?
32:16 And I think he's a St. Louis guy, isn't he?
32:18 I think I remember Trent Frederick saying that those two played together when they were
32:22 kids.
32:23 Really, I missed that growing up in St. Louis.
32:26 So that that would be an interesting backstory as well.
32:30 But what do you sort of keyed on?
32:31 Or what are you looking at as we build up to the playoffs?
32:34 Well, the elephant in the kitchen is Austin Matthews and a guy with a stick that deadly,
32:41 a guy so quick and so strong.
32:47 And he's not as slow as I used to think he was.
32:50 He skates better than I had given him credit for in my own mind, watching him over the
32:54 years.
32:55 The games have seen this year, he moves better than I realized he does.
33:00 Now granted with a two to one goal ratio, almost goals to assist, you'd think he was
33:06 the winger on that line.
33:07 So Toronto's got kind of a funny style there.
33:10 So I was looking at their line chart on on the daily.
33:14 Was it the daily line combinations?
33:17 Okay.
33:18 So Matthews with Bert and Marner.
33:21 So Marner is your line driving winger, Bert your hellraiser.
33:25 And Matthews is is your wizard stick.
33:29 So I mean, if they don't mess around, then then then I think a lot of it's going to be
33:35 discouraging Marner on the on the zone entries.
33:39 Because I don't think they want to go to a dump and retrieval game.
33:44 Bertucci's not fast on his feet, so he's not a good F1.
33:48 He's more of a you're already in the zone.
33:50 And now I'm going to call your net and cause problems.
33:53 So so I mean, Neylander's got blazing speed.
33:58 But that's a different line.
33:59 So you know, but so I think really, I think the player the Bruins need to worry about
34:05 Matthews just don't go to sleep on him.
34:09 If you're caught in your zone and the Leafs are moving the puck around.
34:13 But as far as going up and down the ice, I think the guy they need to kick the crap out
34:17 of his Marner.
34:18 Yeah, because he's the guy who who's he's a little engine that could.
34:22 He's sort of a Rick Middleton.
34:23 We're in 16.
34:25 And he makes plays.
34:27 He's terrific player.
34:28 So he's the Yeah, he's the only one of those star guys on the Leafs, the core for that
34:34 I would legitimately worry about because I think he has what it takes externally and
34:39 internally to get it done in the playoffs.
34:41 I think he's he's a tough kid in addition to being a very skilled kid.
34:45 And he's kind of a winning type hockey player.
34:47 If there's somebody I think you need to worry about in the series.
34:49 It's absolutely Mitch Marner.
34:51 I, you know, somewhat approved to with his contract.
34:55 Of course, coming close.
34:57 Absolutely.
34:58 And by the way, Joe Wall is from Darden Prairie, Missouri.
35:01 He is I remember Freddie talking to me a few times about growing up playing with wall and
35:07 like a Chucks and like all the other kids that came here in Missouri.
35:11 So he's from the St. Louis area.
35:12 Yeah.
35:13 Darden Prairie, Missouri.
35:14 They all played together in the St. Louis area.
35:18 Like tournament teams and stuff like that.
35:20 Yeah.
35:21 Yeah.
35:22 So this will it's going to be interesting.
35:25 I will say this to make like people want to tweak the end of the regular season, play
35:32 in games, like do all kinds of stuff to spice up the end of the regular season.
35:38 As far as qualifying for the playoffs, you see like Major League Baseball doing playoff
35:42 games and some of these other leagues doing things to try to like tweak things or make
35:46 it more interesting or give more teams a chance, whatever.
35:51 The last few weeks of the regular season, especially in the east, the definitely in
35:55 the east were awesome.
35:57 The games mattered.
35:58 The teams were playing each other like we came down to a final day where Florida had
36:04 to pull the goalie even though the game was tied because they needed a regulation win.
36:10 And that turned into a goal.
36:12 Washington scoring an empty net goal that won them a game and basically won them the
36:16 playoff spot.
36:17 Like, you know, there were all these different combinations and all these different things
36:20 happening where the Red Wings and they come on the flyers and the flyers.
36:25 You know, they were all sort of like in it and they were all.
36:29 It was amazing how many moving parts there were for that playoff spot.
36:32 Yes.
36:33 Amazing how many moving parts there were in the layers of this happens.
36:37 This team needs this scenario.
36:38 This team needs that scenario.
36:39 And I was among I was in the crowd of people were trying to figure this all out, you know,
36:44 and it's a lot of fun trying to figure out, especially when it's not your team.
36:48 I mean, that had to be heartbreaking for the Red Wings to see Philly see Torch pull his
36:54 goalie, you know, basically give the game to Washington because we need the regulation
36:58 win and give the playoff spot to the Capitals.
37:00 Yeah, you know, and here's the other thing.
37:03 You Pittsburgh, you go seven, one and two down the stretch and you're out.
37:07 They waited too long.
37:09 So, yeah, they finally got it going, but they're too little too late for them.
37:14 It just always seemed like it was going to be that way.
37:16 And in the end, it was that way.
37:19 So that that Bruins win against them was a killer.
37:22 Yes, it was.
37:23 That was a big game for that was a killer.
37:25 And the Bruins played their last good game of the year.
37:28 Yeah.
37:29 So but that's what I mean, like that, that those kind of games towards the end of the
37:32 year showed me everything I needed to show.
37:34 I have one opinion about the potential expansion of the playoffs or the debate about whether
37:39 to do it.
37:41 Yes.
37:42 I think the NHL had a situation since the absorbing the four WHA teams in 1979, where
37:51 you had twenty one teams in the league and 16 made the playoffs.
37:55 The regular season was a joke, but it didn't matter because the NHL was a ticket based.
38:00 It was not a TV league.
38:01 It was a ticket league and and teams went and people went to the games because they
38:05 wanted to go to the games.
38:07 And the Islanders didn't turn it on in the early 80s until they needed to.
38:11 That's you know, so that's why they don't have too many great regular seasons like the
38:14 like Montreal did in this decade before.
38:17 But you have you have a situation there where one thing, as much as I hated the expansion
38:25 and southern migration of the NHL throughout the 90s, the one byproduct of that going from
38:31 twenty one teams to 30 made the regular season competitive because the tournament did not
38:37 expand with the league.
38:39 Suddenly regular season hockey became pressure packed.
38:42 And then all those new arenas right in these big storage, these utility elevators.
38:48 And with all the executives, you can feel the steam coming out of their ears after the
38:53 games.
38:54 You can feel the nervousness going into the games.
38:56 And in every regular season game meant means so much.
39:00 The only thing you cannot bottle and put into the regular season is playoff emotion.
39:05 That you cannot do.
39:06 And that's what makes the playoffs so great.
39:08 And why watching this first round is going to be so incredibly fun.
39:13 You know, just any game is a good game.
39:15 You want to watch it.
39:17 So so but but if you try to add to the playoffs now, then all you're doing, in my opinion,
39:25 is is taking away all that ground you work so hard as a league to gain to make your regular
39:31 season relevant.
39:32 You'll be sucking the relevance back out of it.
39:35 And I think that'd be a huge mistake for the NHL.
39:38 I agree.
39:39 I have all the four major pro sports leagues.
39:41 They do it the best as far as down the stretch and the playoffs.
39:46 And yes, people are going to bitch about the divisional setup and, you know, having to
39:51 play out of your division that it's not advantageous for some teams like, you know, Florida Panthers
39:55 fans would, I'm sure, argue that they should be playing, you know, one of the other wildcard
40:01 team.
40:02 They should be playing some.
40:03 They should.
40:04 And the reason is, is because this regular season schedule was balanced.
40:08 It's not like the 80s and 90s were really 90s when you played the Buffalo Sabres nine,
40:13 eight or nine times.
40:14 You know, you have four home and four away.
40:17 Montreal, you know, can keep going down the line here.
40:20 But those divisional rivalries, you could justify having a division centric playoff.
40:25 Now you have a division centric playoff, but you have a balanced schedule because the league
40:30 is so big now they want to make sure that everybody gets to see Connor McDavid.
40:33 Now I get the theory, but I would give up Connor McDavid to inject, get back to the
40:39 divisional rivalries.
40:40 Not in that extreme.
40:41 It doesn't have to be that, but give me three home and three away and rotate, you know,
40:47 what I get from the Western Conference during the year.
40:50 Yeah.
40:51 And I think there will be some games against the Eastern Conference, other division, but
40:54 I agree, you know, and then rotate what I get home or away.
40:57 Do I get a home game this year?
40:58 No, I get there.
40:59 They actually held that at one point where you didn't get a home game against a Western
41:03 Conference team at one point.
41:04 You've got to, you got them on the road, but not at home.
41:07 They actually did that at one point, but the, this mandate to get everybody that assumes
41:12 the player's going to show up, you know?
41:14 So I just think there's too much of those eggs into that basket for marketing purposes
41:20 because they've got NBA jealousy.
41:23 And I think that they are making a mistake here because it's ridiculous that you play
41:29 Montreal.
41:30 Oh yeah, that's great.
41:31 We got them Sunday and we got them Tuesday.
41:32 Yeah.
41:33 And then you don't see him again for five months.
41:34 I think, yeah, I think that will have to change, especially as you know, the speculation is
41:39 they're going to expand to like 36 in the next five years, there's going to be more
41:42 teams coming into the league.
41:44 So I think as that comes in, I think you're going to have to see that.
41:47 And I don't think that would be the worst thing in the world.
41:49 It's like, you know, you play one of the Western Conference divisions at home one year, you
41:54 don't play them at home that year.
41:57 And then you alternate or something just so you add some divisional games.
42:00 So you're playing your divisional opponents, you know, it's your point five or six times
42:04 a year instead of the three or four that we get now, which is not enough.
42:10 Question of the week, Mick, and I think I answered this one.
42:13 My bottom line on that whole thing is whatever your playoff format is should reflect the
42:18 regular season schedule.
42:19 Absolutely.
42:20 That's what's wrong right now.
42:22 It's never been wrong before that I can think of, but it's wrong right now to have a division
42:26 centric playoff and a balanced schedule.
42:28 Plus the playoffs if you're going to balance the schedule.
42:31 Yep.
42:32 Question of the week.
42:33 I believe I answered this when I did a solo mailbag episode last weekend, but I want I
42:37 like the question.
42:38 So I wanted you to get a crack at it.
42:40 Hi, Joe, I have a mailbag question for you and your latest podcast episode.
42:44 You mentioned how well Paul Maurice coached the Panthers versus the Bruins in last year's
42:47 playoffs.
42:49 Aside from setting the line combinations and choosing a starting goalie for each game that
42:53 in your opinion makes a good what, in your opinion, makes a good in game coach versus
42:57 an average in game coach?
42:58 Is it as simple as keeping your players motivated throughout each game or is there more to it
43:03 than that?
43:04 Thank you.
43:05 Love the podcast from Roger Perry.
43:06 Mick, your thoughts.
43:07 Well, with the technology now, the video and the reporting back, I mean, I think that there
43:16 are some coaches that look at their own team and say, we need to worry about our own game.
43:21 And that's what they'll tell us.
43:23 And then they'll go out and they'll do it or maybe not.
43:26 But other coaches are really good at finding the kryptonite on another team.
43:34 And do I have that kryptonite in my lineup?
43:37 And so Florida, like Maurice last year, devised a really good system, knowing that the Bruins
43:42 played zone, that they don't go outside the dots with the D's.
43:47 They don't want to anyway, to eliminate plays once the puck's in their end.
43:51 So what they did was is they hired around it.
43:54 They rimmed it hard around the dad, the bottom, the kick plate.
43:58 So they go from point to point, they just fire it around.
44:01 And the Bruins are caught going like this.
44:02 And like, do I go outside our system?
44:04 Do I break our system to cut this play off?
44:07 Or do I, you know, how do we get the puck back here?
44:10 And I knew and it happened when the Bruins came out this year, because Monty's the coach
44:15 and they want to play that puck possession game.
44:19 Every team tried to parrot what the Panthers did last year because they showed them, here's
44:24 how you play against the Bruins.
44:26 So Monty had to do some in-game adjustments to figure out how do we get the puck back
44:31 and tweak our system so that we can interrupt some of these plays, recover the puck and
44:35 start moving in on the way we want to.
44:38 And I thought that he did a really great job of that, adjusting the Bruins system to that
44:42 and having, you know, some tweaks so that guys could make plays without violating the
44:49 whole system or throwing it out of kilter.
44:52 And I thought that that was really good.
44:54 And that's one of the things with watching the Bruins that I'm going to be really keying
44:56 on in the playoffs here.
44:58 I don't know that Toronto is going to be focused on what the Bruins do and trying to screw
45:03 that up like Florida did last year, as much as trying to just impose themselves because
45:08 they're a skilled team.
45:09 So I think that may bode well for the Bruins that they're going to try to play according
45:14 to their skill.
45:16 But like the team that scares me in the West this year is Edmonton because a lot of teams
45:22 decided don't let McDavid be the guy who beats us.
45:25 Well, he's beating you with assists, not goals.
45:29 So to me, the fact that he's taken another step in his career to reinvent himself according
45:34 to the needs of the game and what's presented to them as a team is a great sign for the
45:39 Edmonton Oilers that they're ready to take another step.
45:42 So they're like the Dallas Stars turning Mike Madonno into a shadow for Peter Forsberg and
45:48 check that guy.
45:49 Here's the guy who scored more goals than any American ever to play the game.
45:53 And his job in those playoffs was to eliminate another player on the other team.
45:58 I mean, this is what, you know, this is what Bobby Carpenter did when the Bruins got him
46:04 and turned him into a checking player.
46:06 And then he wound up being really ready for Lou Lamorello to deploy him in the 95 playoffs
46:11 for the Devils.
46:12 So I think they're great players, great goal scorers.
46:15 They take steps in their career to evolve, to change.
46:20 And so it's on them too, if the coach has the wherewithal to figure these things out.
46:27 And so having that acumen, that's a great thing to have, you know, as a coach in the
46:33 playoff series, because you're going to play the same team and over four games, you get
46:37 it all figured out when you get to that fifth game.
46:40 It's just who's doing what they do better.
46:41 Yep.
46:42 And it'll be interesting.
46:43 Like there are so many moving parts to a Toronto series beyond what's going on in the ice when
46:49 it's the Toronto media getting involved, you know, stressing on things.
46:56 And Mike Babcock, remember him getting Patrice Bergeron kicked out of the face off circle
47:00 all those times when they played in the playoffs?
47:03 Like the little thing about public comment.
47:05 Yes.
47:06 Well, that's what I mean, though.
47:07 Crazy.
47:08 Yeah, that's that's what I mean.
47:09 That's the Toronto has a unique thing going on where they have a megaphone, the Leafs
47:14 do the players and the coach, the media like parrots it and then throws it out there.
47:20 And because it's such a Toronto centric league, the league is paying attention to all that
47:23 stuff as well.
47:24 And that turns into its own thing.
47:26 And I know the players are hyper aware of that.
47:29 Especially Marcia has been one that like he plays with the Toronto media because he knows
47:34 that, you know, they can they have a megaphone and they use it a lot, especially when the
47:38 playoffs start.
47:39 And it turns into that sort of fun game within the game thing that's going on.
47:43 So that's 99.
47:44 This is I can't believe this.
47:45 Twenty five years ago now.
47:46 But the late great Pat Burns, he went he went to to the media to say that Buffalo is getting
47:52 away with murder and murder.
47:55 That's a quote.
47:56 And he was talking about, I mean, Michael Packer for checking on Ray Bork.
48:00 What is one of the ways he for check was to punch him in the face.
48:03 It literally did it right under us.
48:06 And I'm thinking, like, how the hell did they not see that?
48:08 You know, how is he not going off for roughing here?
48:11 And the Bruins are just trying to like, let's play our game, let's play our game.
48:14 But Burns knew what was going on.
48:15 They knew they were going to lose that series.
48:17 You know, so, you know, they got it to six.
48:20 Good for them.
48:21 All right, Mick, thank you very much.
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49:22 Thank you very much for coming on.
49:24 Let's bring on the playoffs.
49:25 Hats off to Jack Edwards.
49:28 You know what?
49:29 Absolutely.
49:30 And we're going to get into that the next time you and I are talking because we've got
49:33 a whole playoff to enjoy him coming up and give him his flowers.
49:38 But for now, we're going to take off.
49:40 Thank you very much for listening.
49:41 We'll see you at the rink.
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