Dialogues Or Protest: Which option is best for PTI??
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00:00Salman Sahib, you are right.
00:02We have to reform the system.
00:04The political hatred and political division that you mentioned,
00:07now the government is asking us to negotiate.
00:11I have heard this many times and I think that
00:13negotiating means that you have made a deal.
00:17But to solve many problems,
00:19what should you do at least on a political level?
00:23Is Mr. Tehreek-e-Ishaq ready?
00:25Is Mr. Imran Khan ready for this?
00:27Talk to politicians.
00:28Don't compromise on principles.
00:30But let's…
00:58If we do this, we will start giving birth,
01:00we will start giving birth to children,
01:02and the country will start developing.
01:04The country does not develop like this.
01:06Between 2015 and 2020,
01:0860 billion dollars came into our country under the CPEC.
01:10All that was absorbed in sand.
01:12What do you see as a result of that?
01:14The country develops when thousands,
01:16lakhs of young people in the country
01:18look at their future from that country
01:21and through their best abilities,
01:24try to create a business in that country.
01:27Do a job where they can
01:29increase something beyond their intelligence.
01:32You should have a desire inside you,
01:35you should have a passion.
01:37Countries develop with passion and desire.
01:39They do not develop because of dollars
01:41thrown from Saudi Arabia.
01:43If you want to discuss with me,
01:45I can take you on a tour of China's last 40 years.
01:48I can take you to Vietnam.
01:50I can tell you the history of South Korea.
01:53What happened in small villages in China?
01:56If someone had 50,000 rupees
01:58or its equivalent in Chinese currency,
02:00he started investing it.
02:02Someone invested 200,000 rupees.
02:04Small businesses were established.
02:06They created a boom in the whole country.
02:09After that, big factories were set up
02:11and the country started developing.
02:13There is a state of despair here today.
02:15If someone tells me...
02:17Sir, please tell us the way out of despair.
02:19All of us have agreed that there is despair here.
02:22First of all,
02:24the biggest reason for the despair in this country
02:28is that a very large group of young people
02:31think that their voice has been snatched from them.
02:34If they want to move forward,
02:36they have no way to make their voices heard.
02:40What happened on the night of 8th and 9th February
02:43is one of the worst moments in the history of this country.
02:47You attacked the political, legal and electoral system.
02:53You made fun of that system.
02:56You insulted the people.
02:58You told them that when you go to your neighborhood,
03:01you find people crying all day.
03:03There is no day when I go to Ikshara or Samnabad
03:05and people don't cry.
03:07What happened?
03:08Or if I go to Model Town or a shop in Gulberg,
03:10people stop me and say,
03:11what should we do?
03:12Where should we go?
03:13You have created despair on every level in this country.
03:16You have to end this despair.
03:18And for that, you have to talk.
03:20I think it is necessary to talk to everyone,
03:23to every political force.
03:25But the people who are the beneficiaries of this attack,
03:28the governments that have benefited from this,
03:30they will have to act.
03:31How should they act?
03:32They will have to admit that what happened was wrong.
03:34Is your party ready?
03:35Salman, this is an interesting argument that they have to act.
03:38Absolutely.
03:39If we talk about this topic,
03:41if we talk about this topic,
03:43if we talk about a new election,
03:45if we talk about a new election,
03:47which is transparent and is not a victim of any attack,
03:53then everyone should talk about that.
03:55In this country, we have to give importance and significance to the opinion of the people.
04:00Only then will your educational system be correct.
04:03Why is the education and health system of the country after 76 years
04:07one of the worst systems in the world?
04:09Leave the Hadeeas for a moment.
04:11Education and health, whether it is Ayub Khan's era, Yahya Khan's era, Zia ul Haq's era, Musharraf's era,
04:18is more than 40 years. Why have we not been able to improve our educational system?
04:22Why have we not been able to improve our health system?
04:24Why are our learning outcomes today among the worst learning outcomes in the world?
04:2840% of our children at the age of 16 do not go to any kind of school, madrasa, vocational training institute.
04:36Why is 32% of the population stunted?
04:38These are the basic questions that directly relate to the power of the people.
04:43When you make a hybrid system or a system based on dictatorship,
04:47then there is a group whose interests become dominant in the entire society.
04:51Whoever is sitting there, he is told,
04:53Sir, you came, you were needed, there was no one before you,
04:57who could have taken out the 6 trillion dollars in our country.
05:01Now you have come, all this will come out and the rail will fail.
05:05This is a useless conversation that is done.
05:08Our friends do it.
05:09Someone tells me every day that I have met the big man and I have had this conversation and he was very happy.
05:14So this kind of welcome always makes a circle.
05:18Sir, but you are absolutely right.
05:20This is the dilemma of our system, which you are talking about.
05:23This is very centralised, and this centralised power is because the rest of the institutions are not working.
05:30That's why it works or doesn't work.
05:32But as you said, we should have a conversation.
05:35What is the formula to have a conversation?
05:37Then you will have to decide on the rules of the game for everything.
05:40Look, I would like to address Salman with great respect.
05:45For the past few years, the lock has been left with two hands.
05:48We have also seen that Mr. Imran Khan is not interested in political engagement with other communities.
05:55There were no contacts immediately after these elections.
05:58There are people on record who said that we contacted, but that did not happen because they were not ready to talk to our communities.
06:06We have also seen in the past that when there was a war between Pakistan and India,
06:11even then Mr. Khan refused to sit with the opposition.
06:15General Bajwa had to step in and give a briefing to all the opposition parties and the leaders.
06:20So it is a whole chain.
06:22It undermines democracy itself.
06:24Yes.
06:25There should also be a soul-searching in this justice movement.
06:32On record, they say that if we want to have a conversation,
06:37then we have to have a conversation with them and not with these political parties.
06:41Then the principles that you are talking about in the opposition today,
06:45it means that you are not committed to them yourself.
06:48So decide one thing, and all political parties need to decide
06:52that to come to power or to destabilize each other's government,
06:57we will not get the help of the establishment.
06:59Today, if everyone agrees on this point,
07:02and if all these political parties agree,
07:04then matters can move forward in this country as well.
07:06Mr. Salman, you will get this argument from everywhere.
07:09We want to talk, but Mr. Rana Khan will not.
07:11What do you think, is he ready to talk?
07:13Now three or four messages from the government have come from senior people,
07:17that we are ready to talk.
07:19And look at the point, Mr. Rana Khan said,
07:21that Mr. Mian is ready to sit on this hybrid system and talk.
07:25So this is right down your alley.
07:27What will you do, Mr. Imran Khan?
07:31Look, I can say with great pride that we will definitely talk.
07:35If it is about how we have to bring democracy in this country,
07:38how to fix the elections,
07:40if it is just about forgetting what happened on 8th February,
07:43we will make a government of our own,
07:45which is obviously an offer to do power sharing.
07:48His answer to that was that we are not sitting here for power sharing,
07:51we want the system to be fine,
07:53and the claim that has been made on the system on 8th February and 9th February,
07:56there is no improvement in that.
07:58Mr. Mian Javed Latif has said one thing,
08:00Mr. Salman, he said,
08:02that you prepare such a rule of the game,
08:04get a new election done.
08:06Now if there is such an offer,
08:08what are the rules of the game?
08:10It is that if you win, then we…
08:12Kashi, you know that the committee that was formed in July,
08:15the committee that was formed in July,
08:17was about the government and justice.
08:19The date of elections was ruined in that.
08:21The date of elections was ruined in that.
08:23Imran Khan rejected that date.
08:25I remember we were in a briefing with him.
08:27Many people were there who said,
08:29I said, if you are given the date of July,
08:31you can also give the date of October.
08:33You have ruined the elections in this country.