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00:00 So why have you become interested in the cause of the anti-seaboarder movement?
00:05 Because I had believed right from the start that we should save the Union.
00:09 I was appalled at the deal that was eventually done on Brexit.
00:14 We were assured all things would be put right in the trade deal, but of course they weren't.
00:18 I was even more appalled by the Windsor Framework, which has made a very great deal of a virtually non-existent veto.
00:27 And as far as I'm concerned, as long as Northern Ireland is subject to EU law, which the rest of the UK is not,
00:34 and so long as there are any restrictions at all on trade between the rest of the UK and Northern Ireland,
00:41 that is not a proper Union.
00:44 And we believe, Reform believes, the TUV believe, in a proper Union.
00:49 You said the DUP had ratted on their opposition to the Irish seaboarder. Do you think that was fair?
00:54 I think it's perfectly fair. They have ratted. They have ratted. That's why we're here with a TUV and not with a DUP.
01:01 Do you not think in the situation they were in they had little choice?
01:04 They had absolute choice.
01:07 I actually never really take it when people say, "I had no choice." We've all got a choice.
01:15 Some people would say that the...
01:18 They were bullied, basically.
01:20 So you oppose the protocol now, like yourself or Ben, backed it at the time as a compromise, thinking it would be dealt with, because you felt you had no choice?
01:29 Well, as I say, we were told that things were going to be sorted out in the trade deal.
01:35 We were given umpteen assurances, which I needn't go into now, but we were given those assurances.
01:40 They didn't materialise. When I say we were given them, not by the EU, by Boris and co.
01:45 We were given them, and they didn't happen.