DRFC chat April 30
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00:00Hello, good afternoon and welcome along to the latest episode of Rovers Chat. I'm joined
00:05by not one but two special guests this time. So we're joined again by Peter Catt, formerly
00:10of the Free Press. Peter, how are we doing?
00:12Fine, thanks, yeah.
00:13Good stuff. And then we're joined by Tom Biltcliffe from Radio Sheffield. Tom, how are we doing?
00:19Very well, thank you, Ricky.
00:20Good stuff. I'm sure those good moods are boosted by Rovers' incredible run, you know,
00:26just ridiculous run of form these last few months. Obviously, finishing the regular campaign
00:32last Saturday down at Chillingham. Bit of a shame, I guess, Tom, that they couldn't
00:37quite get over the line and beat that club record, but it takes absolutely nothing away,
00:41does it, from the achievements?
00:42No, and it is, you know, even at 2-0 up and then when the keeper gets sent off, it wouldn't
00:51have taken a great deal for that really to go awry. I think, in the end, had Barrow scored
01:00and Chillingham had scored and that would have been it. It was that close, it really
01:04was, but they dug in. I mean, I must say, I've seen that alternative angle of the trip
01:10on Maxwell is absolute stonewaller, but nonetheless, I had to write all this down, just how hard
01:23that last week of the season was. 2-0 down at home to Barrow, another promotion chasing
01:29or play-off chasing side. Managers got a two-game ban. 1-0 down at home, sorry, away at Colchester
01:36fighting for their lives and weren't mathematically safe. You then do some more travelling. I
01:42think Rovers did 800 miles worth of travelling last week and you've got to go to a Chillingham
01:47side and then, as it transpires, yes, you're 2-0 up, but you lose your keeper. To get seven
01:52points out of that at any stage of the season, but when the pressure's really on and Rovers
01:59talk about sneaking in the back door, what have they been in the play-off places for?
02:02Four days. And the season? Incredible. Absolutely incredible.
02:08Peter?
02:10Yeah, well, Tom's talked about the last week. I'd just like to remind everybody of where
02:16we've been in the table during the whole season. I don't know if you remember, but after seven
02:22matches, we were rock bottom, bottom of the table after seven games. We were 22nd after
02:3129 matches. 20th with 11 games left. You might not believe some of these stats, but I've
02:40looked it up, it's right. Six games left. We were still in the bottom half of the table
02:47and ninth with three games to go. And we finished in fifth place. I mean, it's just been
02:54absolutely remarkable. Never seen anything like it.
02:58Absolutely. Some of the numbers there, I mean, the fact that they finished fifth as well,
03:02which a lot of people have kind of not forgotten, but it's gone under the radar. Fifth, not
03:07sixth, not seventh. I mean, obviously, we'll mostly be talking about the crew game and
03:14then building up towards that. But Tom, looking back on the 46th game season, I know McCann
03:20has said a lot that he always saw the performances there. Do you kind of share that with us?
03:27Do you share that view that they were never really, you know, they were in a false position,
03:31I guess, when they were so, for so long, they were in that bottom six section?
03:37Well, it's all right saying they're in a false position. They were where they were, because,
03:44you know, they maybe signed a couple of injury prone players or whatever. I couldn't see.
03:51I mean, those people who've had a little flutter on robes and fair play to them have won
03:56£500 off it. I'll be honest, Ricky, I don't know what they were watching. I don't know
03:59whether that was blind faith or, you know, just stabs in the dark or whatever. And I
04:06thought Rovers were really up against it. And there are a few times I thought, I didn't
04:11question Grant McCann, but I thought if Grant can't do this, I remember as early as the
04:16Notts County game, they, at home, they murdered Rovers. And it was looking bleak then, thinking
04:23if Rovers can't get it going under Grant McCann, who on earth is going to get this going?
04:27And, you know, and then I remember vividly the day of Boxing Day, Grant referenced it
04:33actually, where he said that they were poor. I thought they actually played all right for
04:36half an hour, contained Notts County. What a penalty, you know, really frustrated them,
04:42missed the penalty and got beat comfortably and got booed off. And chance of you're not
04:47fit to wear the shirt. And I didn't actually think it was such a bad day at the office,
04:52but there's been some right hidings amongst those as well. Stockport, fair enough, but
04:58they were pretty abject going into Christmas. Morecambe, 5-0 at home. There was another
05:06one as well. Bradford City wiped the floor with us. Just, yeah, Donny were going nowhere
05:13fast until someone just got their act together. And I mean, the day at Sutton has had more
05:21airtime. Who would have ever thought that that would have just been a pivotal day? And
05:29that just seems to have been the kind of the mark in the season, right? This is when we've
05:36bottomed out as a club. I think that's what Grant has said. And I think Peter will probably
05:43reference it, that 18-game table that Grant had on the training ground. I don't know whether
05:49any other managers in the division have had that. I do not know. But from the first half
05:54of the season, we got 24 points to virtually double that in the second half of the season.
06:02It defies all form books and logic and all the rest. It is one of the all-time, never
06:10mind a row of seasons, one of the all-time footballing seasons in terms of turnaround.
06:14To do it over that second half of the season and basically be the best team in the division, hats off.
06:23Peter?
06:24Yeah, I mean, Tom's referenced the Notts County game. I'm thinking of the home game. I actually
06:32thought they were the best side we played this season. I thought Notts County looked a
06:36fantastic side. And when you look at Rovers' achievement and where Notts County have gone,
06:42what a contrast. You know, they were up there before and we were down there and we've just
06:50like, we just zoomed off the charts basically. But you mentioned, you know, you referenced
06:58the 18-game table, which I mentioned in the previous podcast, I think. I just think that
07:04was ingenious by McCann, but also incredibly risky. What if it had gone the other way and
07:10shown everybody how badly they were playing? But that's the confidence he had in the side.
07:16That's the faith he had in them. And in the end, he got them believing because, I mean,
07:22he said before that we weren't all that bad. We were bad earlier in the season, in some
07:28games certainly, and there were excuses for that because the injury situation was as bad
07:34as I've ever seen it. It really was. And to come back from that, I don't think when Grant
07:45took over, I think he took over without sort of, you know, having any false illusions about
07:53anything. But I don't think he quite realised what a monumental task it would be to get
08:00Rovers to where they've got to now. They'd had two horrendous seasons, and there was
08:08an influx of new players, a horrendous injury list, and then all of a sudden he's saying,
08:15well, we'll stick this 18-game table up and just see where we are. And, you know, what
08:21an inspiring thing that was. I don't think they were able to buy into it because of all
08:26the defeats they'd had in the previous two seasons. I don't think players were able to
08:31buy into the Grant McCann philosophy of playing, which basically is get on the front foot,
08:37attack, attack, attack. And I think I first saw it, people going about the Sun game, I
08:44think I first saw it and started thinking, well, they're starting to play like a Grant
08:48McCann team. It was the draw away to Bradford City, which precipitated the 10-game winning
08:56streak.
08:57They should have won that night as well.
09:00They should, they should. And I just thought then there were signs there, you know, this
09:07is it, this is it coming together. They're starting to believe. And then belief, belief,
09:11belief, confidence that abounded in the team. And I thought in the last two or three games
09:17where you've mentioned Tom about being behind and then having to overcome adversity in the
09:22Gillingham game. I just think I've seen there something that I've only ever seen in, you
09:31know, sides that have done really, really well in the past, successful sides, a belief,
09:36a confidence about them. You know, you keep thinking, oh, it's got to end sometime and
09:42this and that and the other. And then they go to Gillingham, you only need a point and
09:46what's going to happen there.
09:48But the way they set off the game in the first half, I just think, I just think they've
09:53got it now and I'm not going to make any wild predictions about the playoffs or Wembley
10:00or anything like that. But I do think they've got a side that, you know, they don't know
10:06when they'll be. And if they carry on in the same vein, who's going to stop them?
10:16What strikes me, Peter, just finally on this, is where Rovers were, let's not forget, they
10:21finished the 22-23 season in 18th under Danny Schofield and with a squad that wasn't really
10:31going anywhere or not quickly. Grant McCann signed a load of players. I've just had a
10:38quick glance at the opening day of the season on the bench. Satona, Roberts, Miller. I mean,
10:46soon to join the club was Mo Fowle and Louis Marsh. Broadbent came in. These are players
10:53that, don't get me wrong, Fowle ended up as the second top scorer this season for Doncaster
10:59still. But by and large have had next to no impact. This is along the likes of John Taylor,
11:06George Miller, Ben Close, Zane Westbrook, missed large chunks of the season. This is just a testament to them.
11:14And so did the captain, so did Tom Anderson, you know, the list goes on and on.
11:20But Grant, I think, came out at one point and said, look, it's taken him and Cliff a few months.
11:27They've never managed at this level before. It's taken them a few months and everyone thought,
11:33well, it's going to take half a season or maybe a few transfer windows. But I mean,
11:38if his first transfer window was average and let's not forget, he brought in Bailey and Ironside to
11:44counter that. His second transfer window was absolutely remarkable. TLT, Craig, Adelikan,
11:55Biamou had his impact, didn't they? Shame we didn't get to see Connor Carty,
12:01Billy Waters, a bit part player. But yeah, those three lads that I mentioned at the top there,
12:09quite the impact.
12:12That Sutton game, I keep mentioning it. If they only do eventually go up, there'll be t-shirts made of that.
12:18I was there at Sutton for Joe Ironside's 90th minute penalty. Make a killing.
12:23They would do for the 600 who went. We'll move on to, obviously, one of the flashpoint and I think
12:29it was the turning point on Saturday was TLT's red card. They had one save to make, I think,
12:36just after the half, just before the red card, but Rovers were on top. Then he gets the red card.
12:41Then obviously, Louis Jones comes on, concedes straight away with the free kick. I know Grant's
12:47spoken about the wall and the fact that they need to look at that because that's not the first time
12:52it's happened with free kicks being conceded directly, but it did change the game, didn't it?
12:57And I mean, from my point of view, watching it, you could just almost feel when Jones came on.
13:04I'm not saying there's a, you know, I'm not saying the squad's shoulders dropped or anything like that,
13:09but you could sense, even in the away end, the fact that the fans, because TLT is such a presence,
13:14he's so commanded. Jones hasn't played since January. I think it was the Bradford game,
13:19the cup match. That must get to players, Tom, I guess. You know, they will sense that and know
13:26that he's not as commanded. I know he made a good save later on, but it's a tough one, isn't it,
13:30for him to come into that environment? Oh, absolutely. I was thinking this as he kind of,
13:36of all the players who might have been probably least expecting to play that day,
13:40Louis Jones was probably the one. I can't think of a mistake TLT's made. I mean, there's a couple
13:47of goals which have gone against him. He could have done better with that, maybe, but by and large,
13:53you know, he's not put a foot wrong. And so, for Louis Jones, in the last 30 minutes of the season
14:01to be thrust into the limelight, and then he's going to have a big week this week, definitely.
14:07He's going to have to be really, really switched on. Yeah, TLT's played a huge part in, I think
14:14I put something out the other day that it's the most clean sheets Rovers have had in a season
14:19since Grant McCann was last here. And TLT's played, you know, a huge part in achieving those.
14:26So, he was a miss on Saturday when he went off and they're going to have to cope without him
14:32against Crewe for the first leg. It was interesting to know how no one knew the rules of what had
14:37happened there. Is it one game, two, three? You know, was it a goal-scoring opportunity?
14:44And so on and so forth. But I don't know if Rovers have appealed it. They could say that
14:49they didn't think that the Gillingham lad was going to put it in, or whether Sturridge's header
14:54was going to go all the way in. It was a weird one. I was watching it. I was thinking, why has
14:59he come out in the first? There's three players, I think. Three players. I'm sure it was Andrews,
15:05weren't it? The big strapping number nine. So, three players should surely have been able to
15:10take care of him. I don't know. It's heat at the moment, miscommunication, whatever you want to
15:13call it. What was your view of it, Peter? I just thought it was crazy. I really did. I don't know
15:19what he was doing. I don't know if he'd lost his position or just something went wrong in his head
15:26at the time. But I thought Sturridge's header, difficult to tell, but it looks as if it was
15:31going wide of the goal anyway. Talking about Josh Andrews, there's Sterry there, there was another
15:38player there, another player there. They're going to get back to the ball before Andrews gets
15:44anywhere near it. So, it was just a rush of the blood, completely mad moment. How could they
15:50appeal it? No chance. No chance of appealing that. He's outside the penalty area. They appealed the
15:56Tom Anderson red card, Peter. Yeah, well, yeah. And where did they get with it? No, I just thought
16:05that was a mad moment by a guy who's played well. I mean, you've talked about him, you've talked
16:11about Lewis Jones. I think Lewis Jones is a good goalkeeper. He did make one or two mistakes before
16:19he came out the side. And TLT hasn't made so many. But, you know, think of the side he's playing
16:27behind at the moment. I know he's got a big influence on that. But the defence has got
16:32itself sorted out after many changes this season. You know, you've got Sterry Maxwell full-back,
16:38you've got Anderson and the skipper at centre-back. And then when Anderson's been out,
16:45Lewis has played well. So, that's been a big factor in that. Had that been Lewis Jones behind
16:51that, would the scores have been any different? I don't know. I think he'd do all right. It doesn't
16:55worry me that he's in for the first leg of the... Well, if he's selected, I would imagine he is.
17:05Well, he hasn't played, has he? Well, I know Lewis hasn't. But, Ian, I thought
17:10Law was going to be out for the season from what they were saying and the injury he wasn't
17:15going to recover from. But do you know one interesting point? Who do you think is the
17:19youngest goalie between TLT, Lewis Jones and Ben Bottomley? Is it TLT? It's TLT. So, you know,
17:30they're going about young players, well, we can't put a young player in. But he's done all right,
17:34hasn't he? He's done all right. The interesting thing, Will, what if Lewis Jones has a blinder
17:40at Crewe? Does TLT come straight back in for second leg? Yeah, that's what I was going to
17:45come on to. But he didn't stay in the side, did he? Tom Anderson came back in. So, who knows? Who
17:51knows what's going to happen? But I think it's, you know, the fan-sating grant we trust and I
17:57think we do now because at the moment he's walking on water, isn't he? Exactly. That's a good point
18:04about Jones. I think he's in a no-win situation. He comes in, plays a blinder and chances are he's
18:11going to get, TLT's going to come straight back in for the second leg, which I don't think you
18:15could necessarily argue against. If he comes in and fingers crossed he doesn't, if he comes in
18:19and makes a few clangers then, you know, he's going to have so many, you know, the fans are
18:24going to be right on him. It's tough because he's obviously one of their own. Say again, sorry.
18:30I said let's hope not that the fans don't get on to him.
18:35I have found that though, like certainly the club I covered before, the homegrown keeper
18:42just tends to come in for criticism and I don't know why. This is another example of it. Whether
18:46it's because they feel it's a bit more, you know, it's a bit more tolerated when it's a homegrown
18:52keeper. I don't know what your thoughts are on it, Tom. You know, there's a few examples of it when,
18:56say if it's a loan keeper or a keeper that's been brought in, they don't seem to get as much
19:01criticism if it's one of their own, quote unquote. It is a bit like Dawson and Beadle, you're right,
19:07or Dawson and Baskerville, isn't it? I know what you're saying but, yeah, he does probably get a
19:19little bit, and I've been critical of him, but then I remember asking Grant after the Bradford
19:26JPT game, saying, are you sure? I think the previous game to that was a stop court.
19:32Yeah, it was, before he said he wasn't going to bring anybody in.
19:34He's not going to bring a keeper in, and he did. I'm not saying that I in any way influenced that,
19:41but yeah, he probably does get a raw deal. But they're both, what, 21? She's very young.
19:48Jones is a pivotal stage in his career. He needs to be playing somewhere,
20:03where he's got an opportunity. So, you say he's in a no-win scenario next week. I'd say he's in
20:10a no-lose. He's been given the shirt, and there'll be plenty of people tuning in, and if he does have
20:17the blinder, then people will be saying, well, we might take a look at him. I was just going to say,
20:28there'll be one person who's least bothered about it all, and that'll be Lewis Jones,
20:33because you know when he's interviewed, and he talks about being stoical, and following the
20:39Stoics sort of thing, which isn't exactly something that's well known in football. He's
20:45talking about Catholicists and people like that, who talk about the Stoics, and he is very stoical,
20:51Lewis Jones. So, I'm sure he'll come into the side, and he'll play without fear, and I'm sure
21:01he'll have had great support from the coaching staff, the goalkeeping coaching, and everybody
21:08else, and I'm sure he'll not let anybody down on Monday. He's coming into an absolutely
21:16perfect storm, really. This is a side full of confidence, and let's hope he gets
21:24dragged along by that. Well, in Grant we trust that his mantra is, if in doubt, attack.
21:33That's the best form of defence. So, Lewis might be quite untested on Monday.
21:38Oh yeah, and I think there have been games when TLT has not been
21:41greatly tested, you know, in this 10-game winning streak.
21:47Go on then, Monday, first leg at Crewe, what do you think the approach will be?
21:53I mean, obviously, McCann's mantra is one game at a time, but it's kind of two games at a time now,
22:00isn't it? Do you think he will hold back a little bit, Tom, or do you think he's just going to
22:06continue the same manner? I would, the pragmatist in me would say that I don't think
22:16you can win a play-off in the first game, but you're sure as heck can lose it.
22:20Dell that to Peter O'Reilly.
22:27And our record at Crewe, from a Don Casserole's perspective, is not good.
22:33Eight games without a win at Gresty Road. If you asked me now, would you take a draw and
22:41get back to the Eco para week on Friday? Definitely.
22:47Peter?
22:49Yeah, there's no way Grant McCann is going to go there and defend. I'll tell you that for a start.
22:55That's not his philosophy at all. He goes out to win games. And okay, there might be a little bit
23:02of more caution than previously in previous away games, but he'll go there not to win the tie-out
23:10ride, but to, you know, to try and win the game. I'm sure he will. I was saying before about, you
23:17know, we played Crewe in the semi-final of the JPT, Sophie, when we won it in 2007. It was actually
23:26the Northern Area final. And they were two incredibly memorable games. The game at Crewe,
23:34we drew 3-3. I think we were in front on a couple of occasions, but we played some fantastic
23:39football that night. It was when Sean O'Driscoll was the manager. Came back to, I nearly said
23:45Bellevue there, but it was the keepmote because it was, the keepmote had just been
23:52opened in January and the game was in February. So it was in the early days of the keepmote.
23:57Well, there's 12,500 there that night. And, you know, my memory's not as great as it used to be,
24:05but that's a game I do remember because the atmosphere was fantastic. But before the game,
24:11there'd been lots of problems about Rovers that had a flu book going through the camp. I think
24:17they tried to get the game postponed. They weren't able to. But they went out that night. They went
24:212-0 down the first half, 3-3 the first leg, 2-0 down first half. So 2-0 down after an hour,
24:28I think. Get a goal back. Then seven minutes from time, we were still behind. Paul Effenen
24:37puts lots of penalty in and Jason Price gets the winner. Eighty-ninth minute. And then everybody
24:44goes bananas among the crowd. And rightly so. And I do remember seeing some of the players
24:51afterwards and interviewing some of the players. They were great. Paul Effenen, who scored two
24:57goals that night, was absolutely great. He looked as if he was out on his feet. It was an
25:04incredible effort. And if we see two games like that, we'll be happy. And Rovers will be through
25:11to Wembley. It's not a bad return, is it, Peter? I'm trying to think. Last 20 years,
25:16fourth play-off campaign for Rovers. Conference, League One twice and then League Two.
25:25Yeah. I don't know. We only lost one game.
25:29And the man who was in charge with the one that we lost, because we won the other two, didn't we,
25:34under Penney and O'Driscoll, was Grant McCann. And he won't want that to happen again.
25:43That is for sure. And I do remember that as well. You know, the South End,
25:48you know, Charlton game, sorry. The first leg, we didn't play as well. We made a couple of
25:55mistakes defensively and let them get in front. But at South End, that was probably the best game
26:03we've played in the last few years, putting in a tremendous effort to try and get back in. It did
26:10get back in. It went to penalties in the end. And two of the players who scored goals in the normal
26:16course of the game went and missed the penalties, John Marcus and Tommy Rowe, of course. Tommy Rowe
26:23was amazing on the night. He was absolutely brilliant. Andy Butler played his part,
26:29scored a goal. I think the equaliser late in the game. So no, he won't. And I can remember speaking
26:36to Grant after that game and he was down. He's not a guy to get down, but he was sick. You know,
26:46how well we played and then got nothing for it in the end. He won't want that again.
26:51How important do you think it is to have that second leg at home as well, Tom, especially being
26:56the Friday night as well, you know, bouncing atmosphere, hopefully, as opposed to it being
27:01quite a sleepy bank holiday Monday at home? Yeah, I would hope so. You would say that
27:10the way in which... What are Rovers aiming for? An eighth home win in a row?
27:16Eight or nine, yeah.
27:18I think they've won every one.
27:23They'll be hoping that they'll win, you know, 12 plus thousand there and bring the noise. And
27:29yeah, I'm sort of glad. It's funny because I covered a Ligue 1 game last week and
27:34Barnsley are in the playoffs within... They're playing on Friday night. So Rovers have got
27:38actually nine days to prepare for this. And then the other semi-final crew... Sorry,
27:45Crawley against MK is actually on a Thursday for whatever reason. So Rovers have got an extra day's
27:50rest and as well, crew, but then home advantage on the Friday. If you can't get up for that Friday
27:57night, then frankly, you don't deserve to get to Wembley. For what it's worth, I think
28:03Grant McCann himself will be... Yeah, and everyone connected with Rovers would be absolutely gutted
28:08if they didn't at least make Wembley. And then you're in the lap of the gods. I truly believe that.
28:15And just lastly, not a prediction, but a hope, a thought on what you think is going to happen
28:22this, you know, what is it, one, two, next 10 days. So we'll know by then, obviously,
28:26what the outcome will be. Go on, Peter, I'll let you go first.
28:33You would do, wouldn't you? No, like I said before, I just hope it's the same as when we played
28:39crew in a two-leg semi-final before. And will there be a lot of goals like there were last
28:45time? I don't know. But if we win by one goal on aggregate, I'll be happy. That's my hope.
28:53Yeah, I think, you know, we've said about Rovers going out there and we won't,
28:58you know, Rovers won't go out to defend at crew, but play-offs do funny things,
29:03you know, nerves creeping, mistakes happen, so on and so forth. I'll tell you what,
29:09I hope Luke Mullen, you fancy his chances from 25 yards again next week. So, you know,
29:15there's no nerves, there's no safe passes, just have a dig. I'm going for a draw at Gresti Road
29:22and Rovers 2-0 on that Friday night. I'll take that. Like Peter says, I think any aggregate,
29:29these semi-finals are horrible games, really. You just want to get them done, don't you? I mean,
29:33as much as the comeback we mentioned earlier was great, ultimately it means nothing if you
29:38don't get the job done at Wembley. And yeah, I agree. I think get to Wembley,
29:43then kind of worry about that. And that's the last hurdle, I think. And I'm not saying all
29:48the good work they've done this season will be undone if they don't go up. But if ever there's
29:53a time to, you know, a time to make it all click and get the job done, it certainly will.
29:59I mean, they've done several stages of the hard part. The hard part was
30:04staying up, then it was a top-half finish, now it's been the play-offs.
30:09Asking that side to go again, we'll only know, won't we? I think I jotted down,
30:17played 57 games this season at Rovers, and the crew will be similar.
30:21I think that the key thing, and this is something that I'm going to ask Graham,
30:25whoever the presser is, I think it's in a few days' time, but if you look at the appearances,
30:31Bailey, Ironside, Molineux, you take them out, not a lot of players have played 30 or more games.
30:36So, this is not a team that's, you know, absolutely knackered and has schlepped 50-odd games.
30:41There's a lot of, I would say, minutes still to be had in those, you know, in those players,
30:48you look at Hydelican, I think he's played 20-odd games. You know, you go through that squad,
30:53Wood's missed a lot of football, so they're not on the last legs in terms of having played 40
30:58matches this season. I think that's important. That longevity and that stamina, they've got it.
31:04I'll tell you what, you mentioned players out, and TLT will be out.
31:08The one person we cannot afford to be without, and we need to wrap him in cotton and wool,
31:15and hopefully he's okay for all three games, hopefully, is the man who scores all the goals,
31:20Mr. Ironside, because he is such a big influence on the team, such a big part of the team.
31:26And I noticed the star gave the player of the season to Bailey, and for me it's Tom Ironside,
31:37but Bailey would be very, very close behind. They've been two absolute shining lights,
31:44and you mentioned before about the first transfer window that Grant had, and
31:50those were the two of the signings in it, brilliant signings.
31:54Just one point before we go, you mentioned about nerves there, Tom,
31:58earlier on, about nerves kicking with these games, and they do. I can remember going to watch
32:03Leeds United when Billy Bremner was the manager there, and they
32:07had a game to go up into the Premier League from the Championship, and strangely enough,
32:14they played Charlton that night, which was a team that Rovers played before,
32:19and that was a horrible game. It was just devoid of anything, really, and nerves were
32:25jangling all over the pitch, you could see. Well, the one thing I would say, and well,
32:29brought up the nerves, think of Rovers, these Rovers players who've steadily gone up the table,
32:34gone up the table, gone up the table. Can we carry on doing it? Are we going to be nervous?
32:39No, they haven't been. So, they're the men. I think they're the men for the occasion.
32:45I'm more worried about my nerves, to be honest, than yours. I'm not lobbying pieces, I think.
32:49Oh, am I? I'm worried about your nerves.
32:53Bad enough I've got Barrow in.
32:56I know, I was going to say, you've got your voice back, clearly, Tom.
32:59Yeah, thanks for joining us both, and thanks a lot for tuning in. We'll do one,
33:03hopefully another one, in two weeks' time when we'll be reflecting on,
33:09Thomas, we hope, a trip to Wembley.
33:12Fingers crossed.
33:14Good stuff. Thanks a lot, Tom. Thanks a lot, Peter. Thanks a lot to you all for tuning in.