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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with me, Kashif Abbasi.
00:16Today, DG ISPR, Ahmed Sharif, held a press conference in Rawalpindi.
00:22He spoke very openly about a lot of issues.
00:26This two-hour press conference started with security issues.
00:30But all the issues that are present in the political domain at the moment,
00:37were largely discussed by him.
00:399th of May was mentioned.
00:41In fact, 9th of May was mentioned in great detail.
00:43He criticized the freedom of expression of opinion.
00:45He called it poisonous propaganda.
00:47He asked for evidence on the 8th of February election.
00:49He left the lines of justice.
00:51He only asked for evidence.
00:53But he said that this is a subjudicial matter.
00:55And most importantly, he did not mention Pakistan's justice system.
00:59He talked about a lot of different issues.
01:02What can be discussed?
01:04What was his view on the justice system?
01:06He said all of that very openly.
01:08When 9th of May was mentioned, the footages started playing.
01:11This means that he was ready to talk about 9th of May in this press conference.
01:16It is true that 9th of May is two days away.
01:20And in the context of 9th of May,
01:22it has been a year since this incident took place.
01:24A lot of discussion was held on this.
01:27The state told us its position today.
01:30It said that the accused of 9th of May should be punished.
01:34What did the DGISPR say?
01:38If we want to maintain trust in Pakistan's justice system,
01:42then the accused of 9th of May should be punished according to the law.
01:509th of May is not a secret.
01:52How were people brainwashed?
01:54They were brainwashed by lies and propaganda against the army,
01:58against the leadership, against the agencies, against the institutions.
02:01How were political leaders given various targets?
02:04Attack here, attack there.
02:06In a few hours, the entire country was attacked in different places,
02:09only on military events.
02:11All these things came in front of the people.
02:13You saw the anger and reaction of the people.
02:16You also saw how the people backed away from that propaganda.
02:19So when it came in front of the people,
02:23As I said, a lot of discussion was held on this.
02:25Footages were shot with reference to 9th of May.
02:27Examples were given of the riots in the UK in 2011,
02:31in which people were arrested even at night.
02:34People were arrested on Capitol Hill.
02:37Punishments were given.
02:38Entering someone's house,
02:40irrespective of whose house it is,
02:42is not right.
02:44Whether it is the government's PTV, Parliament, Supreme Court,
02:49or any other building, be it the PM House,
02:52attacking anyone at any place is wrong.
02:56But the state has to make a decision.
02:58The state does not take revenge.
03:00The state does justice.
03:02And it fulfills the demands of justice.
03:05A lot of people are arrested.
03:07No one knows how their cases are going on.
03:11Obviously, the cases are going on in the military courts.
03:15There will be a lot of people.
03:17Some will be innocent.
03:19Those who have not done anything.
03:20They are present there.
03:21There is a rioting culture in Pakistan.
03:23I have heard that some people were released.
03:25I have also seen a few interviews.
03:27But the decision has to be made
03:29whether we want to do justice or not.
03:33And in this particular case,
03:35the state should have zero tolerance
03:38when such incidents happen.
03:40It should happen with anyone.
03:41It should happen in a politician's house.
03:43In the past, I have heard that
03:44politicians' houses have been attacked.
03:46We have seen a lot in this country.
03:48But everything should be done with justice.
03:50It should be done with transparency.
03:52It should be done with transparency.
03:55This may not be the right message
03:58if people keep thinking about what is happening.
04:01Desire and reality are two very different things.
04:04So what is the reality?
04:06These decisions should be made on the basis of facts.
04:08And I will give you a small example.
04:11On 9th May, there were many politicians
04:14who were accused of being in 6 different cities at the same time.
04:20I will give you an example of Shah Mahmood Qureshi and his family.
04:22They were in Karachi.
04:23They had a personal issue.
04:24They were accused of being in 4 different cities.
04:28They were accused of being in Multan, Lahore, Pindi,
04:32and Niawali.
04:34There are FIRs everywhere.
04:35This is not a one-time thing.
04:37There are many people who have 40 FIRs.
04:40There is no cheating.
04:42They can be present in 7, 8, or 6 different places at the same time.
04:45There have been such FIRs on people.
04:47This should also be looked at.
04:49If they are present somewhere,
04:50then in a year, it will be known
04:52who was where.
04:53There will be footage of it.
04:54Or you can decide from the telephone signal
04:57where they were present.
05:00Victimization should not be political.
05:03Article 19 talks a lot about freedom of expression.
05:06There is a very thin line in this too.
05:09Social media is said to be very poisonous.
05:11There is a need to regulate.
05:13Not to control.
05:14In our country, whenever something goes in the wrong direction,
05:17we say, control it.
05:19The real problem is not control.
05:20The real problem is regulation.
05:22You put boundaries on it
05:25so that no one goes beyond the boundaries.
05:27But here in this country,
05:29we have shut down Twitter.
05:31And if we are bringing in legislation now,
05:34let's hope that legislation comes forward
05:36to see what will happen to it.
05:39What kind of legislation will there be?
05:41But as I said earlier,
05:42this is a means of expressing people.
05:45The whole world tries to protect it.
05:48It protects it so that those people
05:50who do not have a voice,
05:52they can reach their voice to the people here.
05:55And because of this, it is used more politically.
05:57It is used all over the world,
05:59which is called Twitter or X.
06:01So there is a need to be very careful about it.
06:03To brush it aside,
06:05maybe this will also be an injustice.
06:07On the other hand,
06:08it was talked about making a Judicial Commission.
06:10The question was asked,
06:11will you make a Judicial Commission?
06:12Because this demand is for justice.
06:14So what did BJSP say?
06:21It is said that a Judicial Commission should be made.
06:23My question is
06:24that a Judicial Commission is made
06:26when there is a misunderstanding about something.
06:28You have seen a small glimpse of this incident.
06:30This is in front of you in history.
06:32Absolutely clear.
06:33And to put confusion and haze in it,
06:35it should be said that
06:36make a Judicial Commission
06:37so that we know whether this incident happened or not.
06:39Who did it?
06:40Okay, we are ready.
06:41Make a Judicial Commission.
06:42But if you want to make a Judicial Commission,
06:43then go to the bottom of this whole incident.
06:45That Judicial Commission should also explain
06:47what was the purpose of the 2014 protest?
06:50How was the attack on the Parliament and how was it rejected?
06:53How was the attack on the TV?
06:54How was the attack on the KPK resources in 2016
06:57and the attack on the Daraul Khalifa?
07:01So he has mentioned many incidents from the past.
07:04The 2014 protest.
07:05Make a Judicial Commission on everyone.
07:07See who brought it.
07:10There is a need to rectify the facts of this country
07:13and there is a need to rectify all of them.
07:16He is absolutely correct
07:17that the incidents that he has penned down
07:19or the ones he has mentioned,
07:21who is behind all of this?
07:25Then there is investigation.
07:26There should be an open investigation of all the incidents.
07:31There should be judicial investigations.
07:34Make Judicial Commissions.
07:36Truth and Reconciliation has been going on in this country for a long time.
07:39That truth should be spoken.
07:40Our problem is that we speak selective truth.
07:42We do not speak the truth openly.
07:44We want to speak the truth of our own will.
07:46If you go to someone, to a political party,
07:49they will forget their own actions
07:51and will remember the actions of others.
07:53However, there is a lot on everyone's shoulders here.
07:56Governments have been overthrown.
07:58Elections.
07:59They were also asked about the elections of 8th February.
08:04They said, talk to the evidence.
08:06You go to a political party.
08:08Every political party will tell you the same thing.
08:11There have never been transparent elections in the history of Pakistan.
08:14And if you ask them,
08:15who has been doing all this in the history of Pakistan for 76 years,
08:20they will all point to the same person.
08:22So, all these incidents,
08:24there should be a Judicial Commission on all of them.
08:27And I think the time has come.
08:30There is a case in the Supreme Court
08:32on which they did not comment.
08:35The case of the letter of the judges.
08:37The history of Pakistan is full of these incidents.
08:40If we want to correct Pakistan,
08:43then we will have to move forward with punishment and punishment.
08:49And in all cases, punishment and punishment.
08:52Let alone punishment.
08:53In this country, only a few people will get punishment.
08:55Very few people can proudly say that
08:57when someone offered an election under the PCO,
09:01a dictator came and refused.
09:03There are such people.
09:04There are such people who refused to take the dictation.
09:07But there is another history of this country
09:09which is very dark.
09:11Which is not very proud.
09:13I think the issue of truth and reconciliation
09:16should be discussed on all of them.
09:18They made another very interesting comment.
09:22And this is the punishment and punishment that was talked about.
09:24If those who do 9th May are not punished according to the law and the constitution,
09:27then no one's life, wealth and honor will be preserved.
09:30Listen.
09:33If those who do 9th May and those who get it done
09:36are not punished according to the law and the constitution,
09:39then no one's life, wealth and honor will be preserved in this country.
09:43It is important for us to have confidence in our system of punishment and punishment
09:46that we will be in 9th May.
09:48And he said that we will be in 9th May.
09:50He was absolutely right.
09:51If such incidents, if such punishments are not given,
09:55then this may be the beginning.
09:57God knows where it will end.
09:58If people are given punishments at good times
10:01to enter government buildings,
10:02then maybe this day will not come.
10:04I agree 100% with him.
10:06But the talk about the preservation of life, wealth and honor,
10:09after the 9th May incident and even before that,
10:11the way the police entered people's homes
10:14and took away life, wealth, honor, chadar and chardewari,
10:18the way they entered people's homes,
10:20there is a lot of history in the last year
10:24with the politicians of one political party, Tehreek-e-Insaab.
10:27So, it is right that these restrictions should be imposed.
10:30They should be imposed legally as well.
10:32And they should be imposed by making examples
10:34that no one should be able to do this.
10:37No one should go against the law and the constitution.
10:41Whatever happens, it should be within the scope of the law and the constitution.
10:44There is a lot of talk about constitutionalism in the Supreme Court these days.
10:47That it is a law and we should follow it.
10:49Our problem is that we do not follow that law.
10:51Nor do we want to follow that law.
10:54We talked about what can be discussed with Tehreek-e-Insaab.
10:57So, listen to what he said.
10:58Because it was a very big issue about Tehreek-e-Insaab.
11:02So, listen to what he said.
11:33If the political parties talk about it,
11:35and the government is repeatedly suggesting to Tehreek-e-Insaab
11:38that they want to negotiate.
11:40But today, looking at this press conference,
11:43it seems that the answer has come from there
11:45that these negotiations may not be possible now.
11:48But one thing, because it has been mentioned again and again
11:51that we are not with anyone.
11:53We do not go with anyone.
11:55But the thing that needs to be seen,
11:57maybe BJI's SPR needs to see
11:59that whenever he mentioned Tehreek-e-Insaab in any answer,
12:02the words he used,
12:04that may be right in a particular context.
12:08But the way these words were used from there,
12:12the journalists also started using the same words.
12:15What were they? Please listen.
12:18He said this, not by saying a political party,
12:21I'm sure that a lot of people from the political parties
12:24were very much interested in this.
12:26But to say, that the political parties
12:28are not willing to negotiate with Tehreek-e-Insaab,
12:31or that they are not willing to negotiate with Tehreek-e-Insaab,
12:34is not very good.
12:36This is not very good.
12:38It is a very bad thing.
12:40Because, if Tehreek-e-Insaab is not ready to negotiate,
12:43then the political parties will not be ready.
12:46I am sure that there are a lot of problems that on 9th May, all the people had the same goal that we have to go towards the defence installation.
12:54I am sure that a friend told me that in the WhatsApp group when they were asked what to do,
13:01it was written below that GHQ, GHQ was a WhatsApp group of Pindi or Islamabad.
13:06And I am sure that, but we have to investigate this and get to the bottom of this.
13:14What happened so that this thing doesn't happen again?
13:17But still, dealing with political parties, because we have been hearing for a long time,
13:21someone was a thief, someone was a dacoit, someone was robbed and then the situation changed.
13:27Salman Akhund Raja Sahib is present with us.
13:29Mian Javed Lateef Sahib is also present.
13:30Thank you very much.
13:31We will talk about both the guests on this press conference.
13:33Mian Javed Lateef Sahib, it seems that the PTI has not been released from this.
13:38Today, after a year, the press conference has been made very strict and it has been said that there will be punishments.
13:48Yes, Kamran, sorry, Kashif, the thing is that someone explain to me that today,
13:56the Powerful Institution and its translation, when they talk about the attack on PTV,
14:04the attack on the Parliament, the attack on the Prime Minister's House,
14:08there is mention of attacks, there is mention of protests, there is also mention of 2014,
14:14but at that time, if one person was punished in one incident, then it would not have happened in 9-10.
14:25So they are saying that the Judicial Commission was made on these incidents.
14:28Yes, I was about to say.
14:31Sir, your opponent, Mian Sahib, will say that if there was a punishment in the IJI case,
14:37then there would have been no Dandi in that country.
14:39So the problem is that this is the history here.
14:41No, no, Kashif, now you have asked the question, I have listened to your introduction very carefully,
14:51if you let me answer it.
14:53Sir, my introduction is of both sides.
14:55Sir, I would like to say that there are two things.
15:02If the Powerful Institution says that even after a year,
15:09they were not brought to justice or their decision was not made,
15:15then who has forbidden that the investigating commission, committee, institution,
15:24whatever they have been able to do so far,
15:28the allegations they have been able to prove,
15:31or the facilitation of which, or the planning of which,
15:36or the mastermind of which they have been able to do,
15:39why were those things not done by the public?
15:42Those things should have been told to the people.
15:44This was in the power of someone else,
15:46they were not powerless in this matter.
15:48Those things would have been in front of the people.
15:51And if today the people get to see that decisions are made on the basis of acceptance,
16:01you see that a case has been filed on 8th May,
16:04that case is filed two days before,
16:07and then the decision is also made.
16:09We have heard this, we have seen this on our own,
16:14that if it was 8th May, it would have been 18th May, not 7th May.
16:18So whatever is happening, is it not in everyone's knowledge?
16:23And even today, we talk about the commission,
16:27that the Judicial Commission should be formed.
16:29So my brother, at least one person should speak the truth,
16:33that when along with General Pasha,
16:36the rest of the people launched the Minar-e-Pakistan movement,
16:42at that time, who facilitated it?
16:45Who gave the money?
16:47Who all were involved?
16:49You are right, you are absolutely right.
16:52Then the Judicial Commission should be formed on everyone,
16:54but then the matter will go to General Jilani.
16:56I am saying that it should be done.
16:58Start from 1947.
17:00My brother, take me to Ayub Khan.
17:03Let me speak.
17:05Before the break, let me ask Salman Sahib.
17:07You both are here.
17:09I want to speak to Salman Sahib.
17:11I am coming, I am coming.
17:13Stay on the same questions, sir.
17:15Stay on the same questions, and you are here.
17:17Before the break, let me ask Salman Sahib.
17:19Salman Sahib, on 9th May, there will be a punishment.
17:22Otherwise, the state,
17:24I mean, it is not possible that the person who did it,
17:26you should let him go,
17:28because I personally,
17:30we have been giving examples for a long time,
17:32where people were punished by putting up courts at night.
17:36The example of Capitol Hill is in front of you.
17:38But then they said on the Judicial Commission,
17:40that the Judicial Commission will not be formed on just one matter.
17:45This is a very good thing,
17:47that the Judicial Commission should be formed on every matter,
17:50where the law and the law were violated
17:53due to a lack of power.
17:55The legal system was violated.
17:57Look, in that,
17:59only one question will arise every time,
18:01that in this state,
18:03who is the ruler of the law and the law,
18:05who is the ruler of the republic,
18:07or who is the ruler of those who protect it.
18:09So this is a fundamental question.
18:11The Commission should be formed on this issue,
18:13and it should go to Mr. Jilani.
18:15Look, we did the Asghar Khan case for so many years.
18:17It was about the election of 1990.
18:19When the IJI was formed,
18:21he was given money,
18:23how he was attacked in that election,
18:25and people in the court admitted that
18:27yes, we did not want Benazir Bhutto
18:29to come back to power.
18:31So this is a continuous story.
18:33What happened on 9th May,
18:35and what happened after that,
18:37we want clarity on that too.
18:39We want to punish the people
18:41who made a mistake.
18:43But it is not possible that you say
18:45do a press conference.
18:47Khadija Shah and the other people
18:49who were in the same car,
18:51the rest did a press conference.
18:53They became the leaders of the IPP
18:55the next day,
18:57but the law does not require
18:59you to be a co-political engineer on 9th May.
19:03You make the courts high-ranking.
19:07In six different cities,
19:09as you said,
19:11one person, one woman,
19:13was accused of setting fire to six cities at the same time.
19:15After that, when she is acquitted,
19:17she is bailed out,
19:19you make four more cases.
19:21Sir, but the request of the Judicial Commission,
19:23because this question is on the request of the PTI,
19:25so what do you ask the Judicial Commission?
19:27Do you want the police role,
19:29the rangers role, who did not stop?
19:31The problem is that your people went.
19:33You say, we were going, why did no one stop us?
19:35That's also a bad argument in my view.
19:37No, it's not like that.
19:39No, no, no.
19:41See, our opinion is that people went out to protest.
19:43The way Imran Khan
19:45was arrested that day,
19:47Islamabad High Court was attacked,
19:49it was broken and everything was on TV,
19:51so people went out to protest.
19:53Now, if one of them
19:55broke a limit,
19:57set fire to it,
19:59then bring the CCTV footage in front of you.
20:01On the basis of testimony and testimony,
20:03you punish him.
20:05Until today, not a single person
20:07has been punished by the court
20:09on the basis of testimony and testimony.
20:11People are coming out on bail.
20:13Testimony and testimony have come out.
20:15CCTV footage is said to have been lost or wasted.
20:17So we say, what happened that day?
20:19One is those people who actually
20:21committed a crime.
20:23But we think that
20:25something else happened with them.
20:27The way thousands of people
20:29were arrested on the same day.
20:31They were killed in broad daylight
20:33and killed all over the country.
20:35Those people who had nothing to do
20:37with the 9-1-1 incident,
20:39they were arrested.
20:41This should also be included.
20:43The commission should bring everything
20:45to the fore so that there is
20:47absolute truth and reconciliation.
20:49Everything should be brought to the fore.
20:51Everything should be brought to the fore.
20:53Absolutely right.
20:55Ladies and gentlemen,
20:57we will talk more about this
20:59press conference after a break.
21:03Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
21:05We are talking about the press conference
21:07of DJI SPR.
21:09We discussed many issues.
21:11We answered the judicial commission.
21:13Mr. Salman Akram Raja said that
21:15the judicial commission should be formed.
21:17If you are ready to
21:19form the judicial commission
21:21in 2014 and 2019,
21:23then you can also
21:25include Nawaz Sharif's case.
21:27Imran Khan's case was
21:29going on till midnight.
21:31He was punished in other cases.
21:33How did the election commission
21:35manage during your time and after your time?
21:37You should form it.
21:39You have got permission now.
21:41You should form it. You are the government.
21:43Look, there are two things.
21:45I respect Mr. Salman Akram Raja.
21:47He rightly said that
21:49the judicial commission
21:51should be formed.
21:53I can hear the voices from the offices
21:55that the judicial commission
21:57should be formed.
21:59He is insisting that in 2014,
22:01Mr. Salman Akram Raja will also say
22:03that the judicial commission
22:05should be formed
22:07on the issues he has raised.
22:09It should be formed.
22:11Mr. Salman Akram Raja is also
22:13saying that those who do press conference
22:15should be released on 9th and 10th of May.
22:17Those who don't do press conference
22:19should remain in jail till date.
22:21The biggest mistake is
22:23that those who
22:25left the accused
22:27on 9th and 10th of May
22:29to do press conference.
22:31Those who
22:33declared them as criminals.
22:35How can they
22:37declare someone as a criminal?
22:39I think that
22:41the judicial commission
22:43should be formed.
22:45Mr. Imran Khan has already
22:47said this.
22:49One second.
22:51Please.
22:53Listen to me.
22:55You can punish me
22:57but not Mr. Imran Khan.
22:59You can punish Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
23:01But listen to me.
23:03I am telling you
23:05to listen to me.
23:07One second.
23:09Let me complete.
23:11I am requesting you.
23:13I am requesting you
23:15that you
23:17sit in America
23:19and say that
23:21Al-Qaeda was trained by Pakistan.
23:23You sit in Iran
23:25and say that our land
23:27was used against you.
23:29You say to Modi
23:31that he should become PM again
23:33and the issues of Pakistan will be solved.
23:35I am saying
23:37that the judicial commission
23:39should be formed.
23:41But it should not be formed
23:43on the basis
23:45that you are
23:47saying that
23:49he should be voted
23:51on 8th February.
23:53Let me tell you
23:55one thing.
23:57On the basis
23:59that he was accepted
24:01and he was voted
24:03on 8th February,
24:05let me tell you
24:07all the facts.
24:09There is only one condition.
24:11Don't call him a traitor.
24:13Don't call him a friend of Modi.
24:15Don't call him a slave of America.
24:17Don't call him a robber.
24:19Don't punish him
24:21in such a way
24:23that we look for Nawaz Sharif.
24:25If Nawaz Sharif speaks the truth,
24:27then he will be the most accepted
24:29person in Pakistan.
24:31His acceptance will touch the sky.
24:33Sir, listen to me.
24:35Who has stopped you?
24:37The leader is less afraid
24:39of what will happen to him.
24:41Listen to me.
24:43Do you know the problem of this country?
24:45You said about Al-Qaeda training
24:47and Iran.
24:49You are probably right.
24:51The other side will say
24:53that our agencies
24:55do everything.
24:57We sent people to Mumbai.
24:59This is the problem.
25:01You will score points
25:03and the other side will do the same.
25:05This is not the problem.
25:07We have to get out of this.
25:09We have to get out of this.
25:11We have to get out of this.
25:13One second.
25:15I agree with what you said.
25:17We said the right thing.
25:19The journalist
25:21who came after us
25:23said those things
25:25to the public.
25:27There was no Donlicks.
25:29This is a crime of Nawaz Sharif.
25:31You know that this is a crime of Nawaz Sharif.
25:33I agree with you.
25:35The problem is
25:37that this is a crime
25:39of Nawaz Sharif.
25:41He has put his two ministers
25:43in the middle
25:45of the National Security League.
25:47This is a crime of Nawaz Sharif.
25:49He has kept many secrets
25:51from Kargil to other issues.
25:53But he is not speaking.
25:55This is his fault.
25:57This is not his fault.
25:59This is the fault of Zulfiqar Al Bhutto.
26:01He brought those things to the public
26:03and tolerated it.
26:05He was hanged.
26:07He tolerated the issue of Kargil.
26:09He became a hijacker.
26:11He became a hijacker.
26:13But I will definitely say
26:15that the person
26:17who harms Pakistan
26:19is still
26:21the prisoner number 804.
26:23He is still
26:25the prisoner number 804.
26:27He cannot be punished.
26:29But if Nawaz Sharif
26:31had done the same thing
26:33then he would have been hanged.
26:35This is the problem
26:37of Pakistan.
26:39Sir, you are looking for
26:41a wicket.
26:43What is the need
26:45to delay?
26:47You were sitting in London.
26:49You were free.
26:51Sir, let me ask Salman.
26:53I will do it.
26:55You are scoring political points
26:57in a way that is not right.
26:59I said earlier that Don Leaks
27:01is not an issue.
27:03But you are sitting here and saying
27:05that if Mian Sir says something.
27:07Why don't you say it?
27:09Because he is afraid that I will go to jail.
27:11Forget it.
27:13I don't know who you are
27:15trying to push.
27:17Sir,
27:19I am requesting you
27:21that today
27:23a translator
27:25is saying
27:27all the things.
27:29When I used to say that
27:31it is being facilitated,
27:33I am saying it again today.
27:35I am saying that
27:37it is not justice to
27:39dismiss the job
27:41for facilitation.
27:43Don't ask the people
27:45who say good to see you
27:47after retirement.
27:49Don't ask General Bajwa
27:51and dismiss him.
27:53Is this justice?
27:55Is it justice
27:57to hang
27:59General Bajwa?
28:01This is not justice.
28:03You stopped taking his name.
28:05You gave him a vote.
28:07You gave him an extension.
28:09Sir, let me talk to Salman.
28:11This is also my crime.
28:13Sir,
28:15Salman Sir,
28:17there is a case
28:19going on in the judicial court.
28:21It is an unfortunate thing
28:23but it is also a fortunate thing
28:25that these cases are coming up.
28:27We will be able to do something about it.
28:29What sense do you get
28:31when you hear
28:33that two wings are attached
28:35and one is saying that
28:37something should be done about it.
28:41Look,
28:43this is a
28:45kind of
28:47resistance.
28:49It is a kind of
28:51resistance that we have
28:53suffered a lot.
28:55Look, it is not that
28:57it was a one in nine case
28:59and that is the only
29:01problem in Pakistan.
29:03You have made
29:05Pakistan's constitution
29:07a joke.
29:09There is no example of this
29:11in the history of Pakistan.
29:13When it came to elections
29:15in the 90th day,
29:17people said that
29:19we will not let the elections happen.
29:21On what basis did you say this?
29:23Mr. Atar, you wrote a note
29:25a few months ago
29:27in one of your decisions.
29:29You mentioned that
29:312023 was the worst year
29:33in Pakistan.
29:35Who was involved in this?
29:37The people who did not want
29:39the elections to happen.
29:41Who was attacking them?
29:43Today you call Mr. Bandyal a criminal.
29:45I think he did a lot of things
29:47that if he had not done,
29:49no one would have raised a finger
29:51against him today.
29:53In fact, he would have been
29:55praised in different circles.
29:57He defended.
29:59He raised the flag of the constitution.
30:01Okay, he must have made mistakes.
30:03It is not that he did not make any mistakes.
30:05But I think he said on key occasions
30:07that the requirements of the constitution
30:09should be fulfilled.
30:11That is why he was praised.
30:13It is not that one team was right
30:15and the other team was completely wrong.
30:17We have violated the law of Pakistan.
30:19We should accept this.
30:21The matter that started
30:23with the analysis of the assemblies
30:25in January 2023,
30:27went on till February 8 and 9.
30:29Our electoral system was attacked.
30:31A trick was played
30:33and as a result, a government was established.
30:35This is a big statement.
30:37This happened on 9th May.
30:41People were threatened.
30:43The police violated
30:45the sanctity of the four walls.
30:47Let's talk about everything.
30:49We sit on top of all this.
30:51We do truth and reconciliation.
30:53We speak the whole truth.
30:55It is not true to speak half the truth.
30:57It is not bravery.
30:59It is not true to speak half the truth.
31:01It is a matter of our country.
31:03We want to speak the truth of our will.
31:05We want to speak the truth of our will.
31:07We see only the bad things
31:09that we can promote
31:11and we benefit from it.
31:13But the allegations that Mr. Mian was making
31:15are on every leader.
31:17They have been and will continue to be.
31:19But we have to move forward.
31:21There is no way to talk.
31:23They have refused to talk.
31:25Now you see
31:27whether you want to talk to the political parties or not.