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00:00 [ARMIN] On Bappi Sahib, your basic house is the parliament for any politician.
00:09 You have heard the conversation, you feel that the severity is going to increase.
00:14 What are you thinking, what will happen after this?
00:19 [BAPPI] This is right, what Mr. Khilas has said.
00:24 That someone has to talk. Mr. Guman has also said that it cannot go on without talking.
00:29 But you see, why will the system's beneficiary talk to us?
00:33 If you say that we sit and talk to the people in the parliament, then they are the beneficiaries.
00:38 The Punjab government, someone has the Sindh government, someone has taken Balochistan.
00:42 Chairman, Deputy Chairman, Speaker, Deputy, everyone has distributed their own business.
00:48 Why would they talk to us? At the end of the day, when they talk to us,
00:51 then the power sharing formula will come.
00:53 If we talk about two years, there is an election after two years,
00:55 will these people agree with us that there is an election after two years?
00:57 They would never agree because at the end, they have to share the pie.
01:01 [Host] But you have already made all the decisions.
01:03 Listen to me, what will be the rules of the game, you have to decide by sitting down.
01:07 This is the decision of the politicians.
01:09 For that, you have to discuss.
01:10 See, this rule of the game, you will have to decide that we have to play this game or the public game.
01:17 You have already closed the door on why they will talk to us.
01:22 See, it is possible that the negotiations will fail.
01:24 We don't say that they will fail.
01:27 But do you remember when you were not getting anything,
01:29 you were offered an election, you were offered in a negotiation,
01:31 and your whole party thought that we should take this deal, this negotiation, this election.
01:37 You get something in a conversation, something comes out of it.
01:43 Okay, by the way, Ghaj Bhai, let me add a little more.
01:45 If you look closely, then about three weeks ago, we announced that Shibli Faraz,
01:49 Umar Ayub and Ali Meen Gandapur are our committee, which Khan sir said, which will talk.
01:53 You are giving a soft signal.
01:55 Where we are standing or where our leadership is, which is happening with Khan sir,
01:59 what do you do that we are late?
02:01 I mean, there has to be some, a little bit of our ego, our respect.
02:05 This can't be the case, which has been happening with us for a year, by the way.
02:08 Do you really think that we will say, you please do the negotiations with us,
02:11 and on that side, the information minister will say that we will not talk to thieves,
02:15 or we will not talk to the terrorist community.
02:17 So there has to be somewhere, some softening of the earth, it will come from somewhere.
02:21 Now, the kind of signals we are getting, if you look at it, in the last month,
02:24 we told you that what is happening with Bushra Appa,
02:27 this signal was not so appropriate, in which you can sit and negotiate.
02:30 I spoke myself to Khan sir, when I met him last Friday,
02:33 so I asked, I said, sir, we are talking about establishment or negotiations.
02:36 So he said, at the end, what is our middle ground?
02:39 And what can be the middle ground, that Khan sir should leave the country.
02:41 Do you really think that Khan sir will leave the country?
02:44 I mean, he is a person, he will not compromise, I'll exact quote,
02:47 he said, I will never compromise, even if I have to lose my life for it.
02:50 So the person who is standing in such a heavy stand on his principles,
02:53 and on top of that, the signal came that the terrorist community is not willing to talk to him,
02:56 what do you expect?
02:57 I mean, there has to be some, some ethical, you will have to create space for us.
03:02 Has anyone from the government said that he is ready to talk?
03:04 I will tell you from there.
03:06 Mr. Bappi, listen to me, look, no one is telling you that you are sacrificing your principles.
03:11 When has anyone said this?
03:12 Look, did you not make a committee and negotiate with the Muslim League at that time?
03:18 Which principle did you compromise?
03:20 Who said that you say that yes, the elections are fine,
03:23 the role of the establishment should be in Pakistani politics,
03:25 they decide who will make the government, who will make the government in Punjab,
03:29 that Form 47 will be issued or the government of 45 will be made.
03:32 You can decide the rules and the game, but we, we have to do this for the country somewhere,
03:37 that you all decide that none of us will give our shoulders.
03:40 Make a decision that they do not have a role in politics,
03:45 the army is the force of this country,
03:47 the force of this country, but say that you have no role in politics,
03:50 for that you will have to get together, otherwise what did you see?
03:53 Those people who used to call the vote a sign of respect,
03:55 now they have seen that you have been thrown out, they have given their shoulders,
03:57 we are present, then tomorrow someone else will get the opportunity,
04:00 he will give his shoulder, sir, I am present, he can do it with me.
04:03 So this is a zero-sum game, a never-ending game, but tell me,
04:06 who should we talk to? I will ask the Muslim League Moon,
04:10 do you have any space left after the in-press conference and statements,
04:13 will you talk to them?
04:14 Politically, political statements are given, and given on various forums,
04:20 see, they have mentioned the committee, like Bhapi sir mentioned,
04:23 and Rao sir and Govind sir have also given them free advice,
04:27 now see, they should learn from these advice,
04:30 they did not take long to make a committee,
04:32 to discuss with the establishment, so if they are serious political people,
04:37 then they should come and make a committee,
04:39 like Govind sir said, they should come to the parliament and talk,
04:43 make a committee to talk to us also,
04:46 Prime Minister of Pakistan Shabaz Sharif sir, Bilawal sir,
04:49 other political leaders, our allies, they have mentioned this a lot,
04:56 and have also expressed that you come and tell us your grievances,
05:00 make a committee, talk to us, nominate some people,
05:04 now there is a lot of difference in words and contradictions,
05:07 Imran Khan sir has also been nominated by the entire political party,
05:10 you have also been nominated.
05:11 See, I will say one thing, they say that the role of the establishment
05:16 should be reduced in politics, but they make a committee to make fun of the establishment,
05:20 Imran Khan sir says in the telegraph that all that is left for them is to murder me now,
05:25 but then they say that what is the value of my life, everything is available for Pakistan,
05:29 so you are standing somewhere, you talk one thing, but you take it to another,
05:34 seriously, political differences and political dialogue is not the same.