Zoe Saldana | Women in Motion Talk - Cannes Film Festival 2024
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00:00Well, how does that minute compare to the nine minutes in which there was a standing
00:05ovation for you and the rest of the cast of Emilia Perez, Jacques Auriard?
00:13What was going through your mind?
00:14What made that so emotional for you as you heard that voice?
00:18I don't know what I was thinking, but I know that I was feeling really overwhelmed for
00:25all the right reasons, obviously.
00:29We hope that when we put so much of our time and effort into a project, we only hope that
00:35it's well-received, or that at least it's not hated.
00:40This overexceeded my expectations.
00:42The reception was amazing.
00:46We knew we were swimming upstream.
00:49Imagine every cast member getting the script, or getting a synopsis.
00:54Okay, it's a Jacques Auriard movie, it's his next movie.
00:57He wants to see you.
00:59It's about a narc.
01:01It's an opera, by the way.
01:02It's a musical.
01:03It's about a narc who needs to transition into a woman, and you're going to play the
01:08lawyer that helps him do that.
01:10And you're like, I'm sorry, what?
01:13What?
01:14Oh, and it's in Spanish.
01:15I'm like, oh, of course.
01:16Of course.
01:17And we're going to shoot this in Mexico.
01:18Absolutely.
01:19You're like, what else?
01:20What else?
01:21It was crazy.
01:23from that to be here, and for everybody to be moved like I was moved by the story, and
01:31everybody's performances, and Jacques, I was moved by being directed by him.
01:36It's out-of-body experience.
01:38How did what you saw on the screen compare to your experience making the movie?
01:43Because it's my understanding, that was the first time you were finally seeing the finished
01:46product?
01:47All of us.
01:48The whole cast.
01:50Did that on purpose, because he really wanted to just get a natural, real response from
01:55us simultaneously with everybody, or it was impossible.
02:00We're all living in different countries, and we're all coming from different times, arriving
02:05and gone, but it was special.
02:08It was definitely very special.
02:10Was there a moment where you stopped seeing yourself as Rita, and how sometimes that transcends?
02:19No.
02:22As an artist, I'm never satisfied.
02:25I'm really, really hard on myself, so I'm watching it with such a critical eye, which
02:30is why I like to watch things first before anybody, so that I can go through my crazies
02:34by myself in privacy, and then I'm ready in the red carpet, but this was different.
02:39This was different.
02:40It compelled me to be present.
02:41It compelled me to continuously get out of my head.
02:46The story was so moving, so every time I was watching Carla, or I was watching Selena,
02:50or Edgar, or Adriana, and listening to the songs, I forgot that I was in it, so I was
02:58really happy.
02:59I was happy with many moments about things that I did, and it's been a while.
03:03It's been a while since I've been easy on myself, and so even that was a special occasion
03:11for me, because I've been wanting to just enjoy something, and not be so rigid internally,
03:17because God knows, if you guys are ever in my head, it's like, get out.
03:21Well, I'm glad you were easy on yourself, because truly, it is remarkable.
03:25We've seen you, and truly, since Center Stage, we've seen just the way that you are such
03:31a talented physical performer, but even this film asks you to stretch even further beyond
03:36that.
03:37It's a full-blown musical, and some of these numbers are quite elaborate, between the singing
03:42and the dancing, the choreography.
03:43What was it like to perform all of these numbers, and what do you remember about getting into
03:48all of it?
03:49Well, I want to touch on what you said, it's a musical.
03:55Jack was adamant about our transitions into those musical pieces, or those songs, or those
04:03choreographies to be seamless.
04:05He did not want to do a musical, he wanted an opera, and he got it, because I never,
04:13after a while, yes, I learned everything, but once we put it all together, it just felt
04:20like I was Rita, and trying to say something.
04:24In my mind, obviously, I was having all these separations, like my body was separated from
04:29what I was thinking, and I just felt like I was just basically manifesting Rita's inner
04:34thoughts.
04:35Like, only all these people in this audience can really know how I truly feel about you.
04:40So I was really into the words of what this song was saying, because it was very characteristic
04:46of how Rita thinks.
04:49I think that very much comes through in these numbers, because as, in my experience, of
04:55course, specifically as a woman of color, there's a lot of times where I am asked to,
05:01and do have to say, or do, or circumvent around certain things in the right way, and
05:09then my thoughts about it may be different in my actual, you know, actuality.
05:14And that was something that was so striking about Rita, and how she navigates through
05:18the world.
05:19What did you make of her, that characterization, and what she gets to portray of her inner
05:24life through this story?
05:28She's, I feel like when you meet her, she's desperate.
05:33She's desperately lonely.
05:35She's desperately hungry to grow.
05:36She's underappreciated, overlooked, underpaid, and very much invisible in a country where
05:43it's not her natural country.
05:45She wasn't born there.
05:46And now, and Latin America can be quite hard, than all the Occidental sort of parts of the
05:51world when it comes to immigration, and when it comes to people darker, because they're
05:57all of color, but it's, we're all, Latinos are like that, but we, there's a little bit
06:03of colonization, the colonized mentality that we still have maybe 500 years more to kind
06:08of like break out of, right?
06:10And that's a very complex conversation.
06:12So to be able to play someone like Rita in my native tongue, because Spanish is my first
06:17language, and as an Afro-Latina, I really wanted, and having the free agency that Jack
06:25gave me to sort of like, just put her together, get her in Mexico, because I want you for
06:29the part.
06:30You don't think you're Mexican for me, I would believe it, because it's a melting pot of
06:34so many cultures anyway, but just write your backstory, and just, you know, and sometimes
06:40you'll be like, that's too much, that's too much.
06:41It's like, just keep it for yourself, it's okay, like, it's not going to make it into
06:44the film, and I would tell him, I'm going to write it anyway, I'm like, her mother is
06:49this, and her dad, because I live always in the backstory of my characters, and so do
06:54many of the actors, so it was just delicious to sort of like surrender to that desperation
07:01of when you know you have so much of you that you want to share, and yet you are being kept
07:08from yourself, and from your environment, over reasons that you cannot control, nor
07:14do you want to change, it's just the way the world is, so living in that discomfort
07:19of Rita was interesting, it was awful as well, because that means that I have to surrender
07:26to sort of like the reality of like, what so many people go through as being transplanted,
07:32and illegal aliens, or immigrants, and things like that, but also she was very smart, and
07:39there were these misconceptions that she had of what power is, you know, because her
07:45examples and her role models are her boss, who exploits her day after day, so in her
07:50mind it's like, if I have the power that he has, that these men have, then nobody will
07:55touch me, people will see me, I'll be pretty, I'll be able to buy a Saint Laurent purse,
08:00you know, but obviously throughout the course of the story, it comes with a price, everybody
08:09in the end pays the price for that Faustian sort of choice that they all made, you know.
08:16I wanted to ask you about, in filling out that back story, getting the opportunity to
08:21play this role in your native tongue, to make sure that she was Dominican, what does that
08:27mean to you, to have that freedom, and that personal representation as well?
08:34When I realized that I have to continuously practice my Spanish, because when you have
08:41to perform it, I'm kind of like, oh crap, like Carla speaks Castilian, like Española,
08:48and I couldn't hold up to her beat, to her cadence, because I'm very much, very gringa
08:53in so many ways, but it just, what was your question again, I'm sorry guys.
09:02Trying to play a character who's explicitly Dominican, I mean what does that mean to you?
09:06But here's the thing, Rita was Mexican, because leaving as an early child, she acclimated
09:14into this environment, so very much like Rita thought like a Mexican, she navigated her
09:20life as a child that was raised in this culture, and she made her decisions according to that,
09:30and never lost sight of where she was, but I don't think that her being Dominican or
09:35her being Mexican ever was the most important thing, for her it was that she was a lawyer,
09:41and she was just tired of being poor, and being powerless, you know?
09:45I mean more for you than for her, the character, yes, for you it was a, Rita's gonna sit for
09:52a minute.
09:53Yeah, for me, it was very liberating, it was very liberating.
09:57I love, I consume art in Spanish, from the music to, you know, all mediums of art I consume
10:05in my native tongue, and it's quite beautiful, our culture and our art in all mediums, it's
10:11really rich, and we have very talented people, from writers to painters to singers to whatever,
10:17athletes, I mean come on, so I wanted to branch out, and in my personal life I'm very grateful
10:27for the journey that I've had, the opportunities that I've been given at a very early age,
10:32like a little girl from Queens, New York, to be able to be in a James Cameron movie,
10:35and for that to catapult me into a full-blown sort of career, that continues to educate
10:41me, I mean I can only be so lucky had I planned this, it would have never happened.
10:45You know, it just happened, and I took every opportunity, I opened every door that felt
10:48unlocked to me, just walked in, you know?
10:52But then here I am, like 10 years later, reaping the benefits over and over again of
10:57films that were so successful that became, you know, franchises, and it's time-consuming,
11:04so it's not that I don't appreciate it, it's just that I still want to grow as an artist,
11:08there's still so much in me that I want to do, and then also I'm a middle-aged woman,
11:11I'm 45, so we immediately start ticking this clock that nobody, sometimes society doesn't
11:17even do that for ourselves, because we are incredible self-sabotagers, so immediately
11:23there's this anxiety of like, oh my god, my time is up, my time is up, but then it's like,
11:27what would you want to do?
11:28It's like, I can't stop dreaming, like what I want, and I get really emotional, I just
11:34want to continue making art because if I don't, I don't know what else to do, you know?
11:39So obviously Jack was a dream, he happened, my agents are here, they heard me multiple
11:46conversations like, what do you want to do?
11:48I'm like, I want to work in Spanish, I want to do things, I want to do that, I want to
11:51work with people like this, did you see this movie?
11:53So all of a sudden this opportunity comes to CAA and they're like, oh crap, I know somebody
11:58that could be perfect for the part, so this whole sort of situation took place before
12:03I even met Jack via Zoom, and it's because I've been manifesting this, you have to say
12:08it out loud and you have to continue wanting things, and I forgot what it was like to want
12:14things, I was just sort of like on this autopilot, it's not like I was phoning it in, but I was
12:17a part of big, big projects and feeling just a little overlooked, a little too much, and
12:26then you start to feel very, you just, I feel like I plateaued, you know, and I was feeling
12:32sad but not doing anything about it, so I thought, you know, opportunities come, I do
12:38have a relationship with a man who's an artist who literally is willing to just pick up and
12:46go wherever I need to go, because wherever I go my children come with me, y'all know,
12:51if you guys are mothers, and he has no problem with that, so he's able to do that, because
12:56as an artist he can work from everywhere, and I'm able then to not lose that momentum
13:01that may sometimes come up again, and I'm really proud of it.
13:06What is unbelievable is just the reception of Emilia Pérez, I was not, you know, guys,
13:15I saw the synopsis, and I was like, I did too, I had no idea what I was wanting, when
13:20the girls showed it to me, I was like, okay, like, really, y'all, like, is Jack crazy?
13:27Like, no, I know he's crazy, but like, he's definitely crazy, so all of a sudden from
13:31that to here in the festival, and you guys receiving it, and people being deeply moved,
13:38I'm speechless, I just don't know what to say, because I just, I love art so much, and
13:43when cinema is that fucking special, and that fresh, it just moves you, you know, and I'm
13:50not being a narcissist, I just, trust me, like, when I'm not making art, I'm consuming
13:55it, I curate it in my life, that's what we do, and Jack is an artist that I consume a
14:02great deal, you know.
14:03Well, I know that, the way you characterize it is, it's feeling as if you'd plateaued,
14:09I do, though, wonder if there's an element of that that's outside of yourself as well,
14:14you know, getting-
14:15You mean like perimenopause?
14:16Absolutely.
14:17That's not the word I was going, it was actually, it was actually typecasting, I do wonder if,
14:25you know, Hollywood and the things that they were suggesting for you, every, you know,
14:29every 10 scripts that your team would get, seven of them are a big franchise, and exactly.
14:35So, you know, how have you found ways of navigating, and I know part of that is through producing,
14:40I imagine, how have you found ways of navigating against that kind of trend toward typecasting?
14:47For me, personally, I lean into my team.
14:53I can't, I would love to say that I'm a one-woman shop, I'm not, like sometimes I can get in
14:59my own way, and then I have people that you trust, and you make a pact, and you sort of
15:03go, you're going to tell me the truth, I'm a big girl, I'm wearing my big girl pants,
15:08so you can just like give it to me, because I will take it.
15:11So like, for instance, when Linus came, I was like self-sabotage, oh my God, I can't
15:16believe it, I can't believe it, you know, Taylor is a client at LBI, which is the management
15:21group that represents me, Rick Yor and Amy Cava, and Rick is like, you're doing it, and
15:26I'm like, no, but I can't, and Stevie's like, you're doing it, like you have to follow good
15:31material wherever good material is, this time it's in a series, and it's like you have to,
15:37it's Taylor, and I'm like, okay, fine, but it's my fear, because I know that he has big
15:43monologues, you know, with his characters, I'm dyslexic, Spanish is my first language,
15:47we barely speak English anymore, then it's all my insecurities, but all of a sudden it's
15:50like, do I love Taylor Sheridan's material, absolutely, I saw Sicario, like I love his,
15:58you know, Hell or High Water, I love his work, so I couldn't pass on that opportunity, again,
16:06when my agents were like, Emilia Perez, but I don't know, I'm not Mexican, who cares,
16:13find a way to make it work, but just meet him, I was like, absolutely, and then I meet him via
16:17Zoom, and there was, there was just chemistry too, between his personality and mine, and I just felt
16:23like, this is what I've been wanting, I've been wanting to work outside of the machine, I've been
16:28wanting to work in markets where just, like art is just alive, and growing, and it can go in this
16:35direction, I just, I've been yearning for that, so I got it. And you definitely got it, got it,
16:41it's truly, it's remarkable, but I want to take a quick moment to acknowledge Carla.
16:48This feels like such a breakout for her, what is it like to experience this alongside, I mean,
16:54listen, I know it's been like two days, but what has it been like to experience that,
16:59knowing that you've had similar moments in your career as well?
17:03Carla, Carla's crazy, guys, working with Carla was a trip, because Carla was three people,
17:13you know, and she, she went all in, and Carla was living with these two characters,
17:18Manita del Monte and Emilia, for two years, because we had to push the film,
17:24you know, seven or eight months, and, and so Carla, and Carla's a devoted artist to her craft,
17:31um, so when I met her, she was already full on, like, half in, half out, and would jump into all
17:38these hats, it was a bit neurotic, and, and, and, but it was all working, because it was,
17:43Rita needed that, because, because Rita was sort of like, in my mind, I was like, oh, she's the
17:48Jiminy Cricket to this Pinocchio, it's, that's it, it's like, Pinocchio wants to be a real boy,
17:54like, Carla, you know, Manita's wanting to be a real woman, because he is, she is, she's a woman,
18:00and, but then you have this Jiminy Cricket that sometimes is your ally, and other times
18:05is your, is your, you know, is your sort of, like, your conscious kind of going,
18:09no, this is too dangerous, um, so we used it all, we used it all to be here today,
18:16knowing everything that she has gone through, um, in her life to get here, and then for life to also
18:24give her this, this gift as an artist, also, because aside everything else that Carla is,
18:31and what Carla, you know, has gone through, Carla's also a devoted actor, who, who is 52,
18:37who was also having, she was having these second guesses of, like, I'm all dried out,
18:42the big roles are never going to come, these dreams don't exist, and it did for her, so to
18:47see this star being born before all of our eyes is very emotional. She's a pain in the ass, though,
18:55shooting with her was, oh, women, why are we so wonderfully complex, but it's, it was worth it,
19:02because it all went into the work. Looking back, what would you say was the breakout moment for you?
19:09Like, when did you feel like you'd arrived, if you will? I have Avatar, it was definitely Avatar,
19:17I went from, you know, just being in small and big productions, but in a very, very small way,
19:25to being, you know, this princess from this foreign planet that, and, and it reached the
19:30whole world, and I, I would travel, you know, across the world, I was being photographed by
19:36people, I was being, I was, I was being able to get meetings with producers and directors that I had
19:41never known, I've never thought I could ever meet, I was being offered roles where, because I always
19:47thought that I, I needed to fight for them and work really hard for them, and at the end of the day,
19:53those are the ones that I've always enjoyed the most. Sure. I miss that. You can get bags all you
19:57want, but the one bag you buy yourself is the one bag you wear until it's dangling off of its last
20:04chain, so that, that is a representation of, of who you are also in your craft. When you work
20:11really hard for something, you don't take any minute for granted, and, and at least I'm that
20:15kind of individual. Jacques' movie, working for that, auditioning for that, and getting that part
20:22reignited a fire in me that I would, I was the one putting out myself. That's, I feel like that's an
20:29important message for people to hear, too, is that you can, as I introduced, you know, the highest
20:35grossing film actress of all time. Jesus Christ. I know. And still have self-doubt. We all have
20:41self-doubt. Are you kidding me? I, I don't, and one thing I've realized is that even though I'm,
20:46I've been a very extroverted person, you know, that's a, that's a, that's a character. I'm
20:53extremely shy. I am in the closet of my mind more than I am interacting with the world, and it is
21:01dark in there, and it is so fucking isolating, so I'm tired of that. If I, if I, for the second half
21:09of my life, I want to go back to that fearlessness that we have when we were children. When you first
21:16start somewhere, and people kind of go, hey, you want to do this? Sure. You want to go there? Okay.
21:23And that, that, you're, you're not afraid. You're not, you're not afraid about what others may think.
21:27You're, you're like, I have nothing, so what do I have to lose? You know, let me just take this leap.
21:33I, I felt reignited with, with Emilia Perez. Well, you mentioned your, your husband and your,
21:39your kids who are kind of ready to pick up and go anywhere. Oh, those Italians.
21:44Yeah. Filmmaking has really become a family business. Yes. For all of you. Your sisters,
21:49of course, also, you have Sinistar Pictures. Tell me a little bit about that experience of
21:54getting to share this thing that you love so much in so many different ways. Follow those people
21:59that you love so much. Well, I, I, I'm not the only one that shares. There's, there, they're
22:04artists, and they're, in their own right. My husband has always wanted to be a director since
22:09he was a little boy, and, and he's a multidisciplinary artist. He doesn't understand
22:13the meaning of it because Marco understands maybe half of what I say, but it's okay. It's,
22:17it's how we work. Marco's an exceptional artist and a curator of art, and he's like, so,
22:25such a snob of art as well. Earlier this year, you know, he directed and produced, we both produced
22:31a short that made it into the Venice Biennale, and it was, it was a part of the Vatican, the,
22:36the pavilion of the Vatican. And so that was me taking a leap into his field. Yeah. And Marco
22:44has been taking giant leaps into mine because it's what we're naturally interested in. So it is,
22:50it is only fair to add that kind of support. If I'm an actor and he's a director, Marco's
22:55going to give me parts. That's like, it's going to keep me working forever. If I'm an actor and
23:00an avid reader of good content, I want to continue working with him the same way that I want to work
23:05with my sisters. I feel like I've been working with my sisters since we were born. Of course.
23:10We're like ride or die, like, you know, rough riders, but also very respectful of each other's
23:18taste. The fortune that we have is that we have a common interest in the fact that we
23:25love cinema and storytelling. That's natural and innate in all of us as, you know, subjectively.
23:34Making money out of it just felt like the next thing to do. You know what I mean?
23:38Why work with others when you're right here? We're aligned. This is what you want to do.
23:42Let's make it work. And we vacillate between the manifesto that we have of giving visibility to
23:51women and female stories that are unapologetically women. We're not here to sanctify women. We're
23:57here to just put a lens on the complexities that make us who we are. And so far up until now,
24:06everything that we've done, we're very much aligned with that. And that's really great.
24:12You know, they're producing Lioness with me as well. Like I was able to bring them on board
24:16and Taylor's really supportive of that. So that also gives me an ability, gives us an ability
24:21to stay together as a traveling circus, guys. And what could you ask for? You know, what else? What
24:29else could I ask for? Marco is my challenger. Marco is the one that every time I kind of go,
24:36I think I'm good. Marco's like, no, let's do more.
24:41So he keeps me young and I think I keep him young too.
24:45What was it like to watch his process, particularly on the absence of Eden as well,
24:50being, you know, you're one of the stars of this film and he's the director.
24:54What was it like to watch what his process was like as a filmmaker?
24:58He's incredible. Marco is so prepared. Everything from writing a story to putting it together,
25:05raising the money. Marco wears all the hats and he gives 110% to every hat.
25:10My job moving forward for his next project is to make sure that Marco leaves a little bit more of
25:16his energy so that when he finally gets to the playground that he's been designing, which is to
25:21be on set, he has the energy. He has the presence and just the joy so that he won't be so boggled
25:28down with the work. He's exceptional at what he does. And I truly respect him and I look up to him.
25:33Being directed by him is incredible because he knows exactly what he wants. Yes, we bicker,
25:41but we'll go like away from set, you know, to talk about it. Because Marco can be questioned
25:46by the crew, where do you put this light? What do you want to do? The moment I go,
25:50do I wear my jacket on the scene or I take it off? And he's like...
25:55And I'm like, dude, I'm asking you a question as an actor. So then we do have to like, and then
26:00he'll be like, Zia, I want you to sit there. Why? So we're still a marriage in how we make art,
26:08but also we're not going to apologize for it. We're not robots. So if you happen to witness
26:12Marco and I in a full-blown, passionate discussion about why he believes this movie was worthy of an
26:19Oscar and I don't or vice versa, like I said, he is the snob. I like everything. So be it,
26:27but we're fine. You know what I mean? And my hope is that we continue, you know, we always talk about
26:33Frances McDormand and her husband and if they've made it work and they challenge each other and
26:38they keep learning and they keep stimulating each other in so many different ways, that's what we
26:43want. Listen, art is emotional. And if it wasn't, then what would we all be doing here? And it's,
26:48of course, not just, you know, you're not just working with your family. There are shows like
26:53From Scratch, for example, bringing that, you know, amazing story, two sisters behind it as well,
26:59with Tembi and Attica Locke, but that series surged to number one on Netflix and people
27:04really found it and found themselves in it. You know, what is it like to also be able to
27:08bring other, as you said, as part of the ESOS, bring other women and women of color's stories
27:14to the screen and help them have opportunities to tell their stories too? Oh my god, it's,
27:21it is a responsibility and it's one that I carry with great pride, but I don't only carry it,
27:29because I have to always, you know, be myself and sort of, you know, answer my own inquiries,
27:35my own wonders of life. That movie was aligned with those wonders that I still have of my life,
27:42of how I want to grow as an artist. I wanted to do a love story. I wanted to do an epic love story
27:46and it came in the form of this wonderful book and then the fact that Tembi and Attica were
27:52sisters, the fact that they're women of color, the fact that we were aligned with how Cecily,
27:56Mariel, and I feel that women of color should travel, they should have their eat, pray, love,
28:02you know, and we should, we should enjoy it when we watch them. We should want to see them in love
28:07and we should want to see them in many other different forms of storytelling besides the ones
28:12that we usually see women, people of color in. Everything about it was aligned, so church and
28:19state were working together, I feel, and it was a wonderful journey. The reception,
28:27the reception just proved to my sisters and I that if we like something, we are a part of a
28:35popular sort of community of content consumers and we're synchronized. We want the same thing,
28:43so trusting ourselves in terms of what we like to consume personally and then also, you know,
28:50what we'd like to see on screen. We have to trust the process that other people are seeing that,
28:55so I can't pick a project for any other reason than how it makes my heart beat
29:01because that's what's worked for me. That's my lottery ticket. If I start being strategic and
29:06I go, I'm going to do this because it's worth these numbers in China or whatever, I'm not,
29:09I'm going to walk away from the essence of what truly makes, you know, how I curate the things
29:15that I do magical when they are, you know. Well, I mean, that is the taste element of it and the
29:22love element of it and the passion element of it, I think, are a big reason why we can
29:29share those stats that we do is because even though, yes, those franchises became big,
29:34they weren't necessarily huge to start with and all of your work seems driven in that same way.
29:40I did want to ask you as we wrap this conversation, you know, because we are talking about
29:48representation for women in this business, in this industry, what is your hope? What is your hope
29:54that, you know, the next 20 years of your career looks like and where we see the place for women
30:00in that behind the scenes, in front of the camera in that time?
30:07I think that we're women, we're going to keep creating stories about us for us and for the
30:13world forever. What we need more of, we need more female CEOs. We need more women sitting in boards
30:20because those are the gatekeepers. We need the keys that unlock those doors and once those women
30:27are there, don't just be happy then feel so lucky that you're the only woman sitting at the table.
30:33Get three men to get up, get their seats and put three women in there and when I say that,
30:38I'm not saying that our growth should be despite of men. I'm just saying if that has to, if we have
30:43to make room, the ideal thing is bring a chair in and bring another woman. You come in, bring another
30:49one with you because I think it's really important to understand that this is a business. What we do
30:54is not just art. Art survives because we need middle industries that propel it from point A to
31:01point B. If not, the artist is not known to be a good businessman. Look at in the art world
31:08as well. We cut our own ears to bleed for our work. You need a believer that understands
31:16where to, a shaker and a maker. Those seats have to be filled by more women and when women, when
31:22we're in there, make more room for other women. That's important. It's on us to do it and for the
31:29men, the ones that are doing it right and making room for women, thank you. You're so sexy.
31:36It's so sexy when a man truly celebrates a woman. There's nothing sexier. It doesn't matter what he
31:42looks like and for the ones that are not, please join, you know, because it's just, it's, we're
31:50tired of fighting. Let's just grow together, you know? Let's just grow together. Yeah.
31:57Thank you for occupying this chair but for making so much more room for women to follow
32:03and continue to grow with you and as you grow yourself. I'm so happy to hear this fire has
32:09been reignited in you and we can't wait to see what's next. Thank you. Thank you so much.
32:13Thank you all for joining us. Thank you.