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00:00:00 No one knows, I think no one knows if he's the second match of the '94 World Cup.
00:00:05 He calls me, Dino Baggio, in his room.
00:00:10 I'm the youngest, he's a month older, so I'll say,
00:00:14 "Guys, this is your last chance."
00:00:17 - "Last chance." - "Low pressure."
00:00:19 "If not, don't play."
00:00:21 "A lot of people didn't know, there was a paduan who
00:00:25 shoots bombs from afar, plays better than Pelé.
00:00:29 Albertini, Ale, Ale..."
00:00:31 Welcome back to Locker Room, the podcast Rosso Nero.
00:00:40 Today we're entering the dressing room with someone who's entered it
00:00:44 406 times.
00:00:46 - Demetrio Albertini, good morning. - Good morning, everyone.
00:00:49 - And there are a lot of them. - There are.
00:00:51 But, Demetrio, before entering the dressing room,
00:00:53 we go through the history of our guests,
00:00:56 almost always chronologically.
00:00:57 - Fazzini changes sometimes, what can he do? - I follow where the guest goes.
00:01:01 But let's go chronologically.
00:01:03 One of the first curiosities we read is that,
00:01:06 like all parents, they came to see you,
00:01:10 but when you didn't play so well, your dad did something nice.
00:01:14 Let's start from there, from the oratory, from the beginning.
00:01:17 Yes, in the sense that, one of the first things,
00:01:20 my brother, the priest, because a priest is four years older,
00:01:25 so when I was five, I was in an asylum in Les Suores,
00:01:28 because it's a small village of 1,200 inhabitants,
00:01:31 the asylum was managed by Les Suores.
00:01:34 And, unbeknownst to my mother, she came to pick me up in the afternoon,
00:01:38 so in the afternoon she came to pick me up on a bike
00:01:40 to go play against the other countries.
00:01:43 Can you imagine? Nine years old, I was five.
00:01:45 - I was just a child. - You were a derby kid.
00:01:47 And so she took me to the other parts to play the derby,
00:01:50 let's call it that, in the other fractions and things.
00:01:53 And my mother didn't know, when she got there,
00:01:55 she only found the grand violin, so that's that.
00:01:57 Then my first coach was my dad,
00:02:00 because of the oratory, because I have some pictures
00:02:03 where my dad is, who came to the bank almost six years ago.
00:02:07 So he was my first coach.
00:02:11 And when I started playing for Milan,
00:02:13 so when I was ten, I started playing for Milan,
00:02:15 when I didn't play well, he whistled.
00:02:17 He had such a particular whistle,
00:02:19 and I say it so many times when I go to speak as a manager now,
00:02:22 I say it, especially because, for the parents,
00:02:27 the others are much more invasive, right?
00:02:29 He became a personal signal.
00:02:32 - That you only understood. - That I understood,
00:02:33 and I got totally nervous, because I was already playing badly.
00:02:36 It wasn't a whistle of dissent, like a stadium,
00:02:39 it was a whistle of call, it was...
00:02:40 - Absolutely, a whistle of call. - Like "wake up".
00:02:43 And I say this because,
00:02:45 when dad, in the last days of his life,
00:02:49 was on the bed, you know, and then one day they were robbed,
00:02:52 he said "Dad, but take away a curiosity,
00:02:55 you whistled at me and I got nervous,
00:02:57 when I played in the youth teams,
00:02:59 and so with so many people there,
00:03:01 but you could hear the whistle, so...
00:03:03 But when he played at San Siro, you whistled at me too,
00:03:05 and I said "sure, if you played badly, I wouldn't hear you".
00:03:11 So it was a total whistle of call.
00:03:13 Listen, but how were these first years?
00:03:15 You grew up in Oratorio,
00:03:18 with a trajectory that probably many of your generation have had,
00:03:21 and it's something that we're losing a bit today.
00:03:23 Yes, everything has changed.
00:03:24 We were talking earlier about how everything is contextualised
00:03:26 in what was happening in society,
00:03:29 because we always talk about football and our world,
00:03:32 we use this word, the common place of our world,
00:03:35 then you're part of the world, you have to face the generations
00:03:38 that change, young people and not just players,
00:03:41 and then the players adapt,
00:03:43 now as a manager I have a bit of experience,
00:03:47 but many things are new for me too,
00:03:49 because I haven't experienced them.
00:03:50 I started at Oratorio, like many others at that time,
00:03:54 there were no test-takers,
00:03:57 there were no observers,
00:03:59 I'm a friend of the brother of the massage therapist at Como,
00:04:07 I know someone who works at Inter,
00:04:10 I know someone like that,
00:04:11 and my dad always said to me "Dimitri, look,
00:04:14 you'll be good at it, but I can't do it, I was working,
00:04:18 I was a simple bricklayer, it wasn't that easy".
00:04:22 Then one day I remember that I came home, I was 10 years old,
00:04:25 "Put on your suit, we're going to have a test-taker",
00:04:28 so I was all happy, and so I went to Seregno.
00:04:31 I spent six months in Seregno.
00:04:33 - Was Seregno already like "Wow, I'm going to Seregno"?
00:04:36 - Yes, a small town of 1,200 inhabitants,
00:04:39 so if you think about Brienza,
00:04:41 where I lived, then there's Carate,
00:04:43 then Seregno is bigger, then there's Monza, the metropolis,
00:04:46 and Milan, you read it only in the newspapers.
00:04:48 Today in Milan, I hear those from the country
00:04:51 who go to Barcellona, everything has changed today.
00:04:54 So for me, it was like going to the city,
00:04:57 from the outskirts, we're talking about 12 km.
00:05:00 So I went to Seregno, then in the end,
00:05:05 Milan didn't have the first football matches,
00:05:07 so I played the first tournament with Milan,
00:05:10 because they took all the loans,
00:05:12 because we didn't have 4 or 5, there were only a few.
00:05:15 The first matches were invited,
00:05:18 so we took the ones who signed the sign the year after,
00:05:23 and they watched them, they saw...
00:05:26 I remember I signed the first sign, I was 10,
00:05:29 we went to Prato for the first tournament,
00:05:31 and we won, if I'm not mistaken, 7-0 against Inter,
00:05:34 and 5-0 against Torino.
00:05:37 We took a player, Massimiliano Cappellini,
00:05:40 I don't know if you've ever... - Oh yes, Empoli, he played for Serie A.
00:05:43 He played a lot, he was as tall as he is now.
00:05:46 So objectively, Roma...
00:05:50 The dates on the graphics were real,
00:05:54 but he was already as tall as he is now.
00:05:56 - How did it go? Who told you, "Let's go to Milan"?
00:06:00 You played the first match in Seregno.
00:06:02 - In Seregno, then I went with Dindelli,
00:06:06 an international tournament,
00:06:08 two or three players from Seregno,
00:06:10 we played a tournament in Paris,
00:06:13 and we played the final against Saint-Étienne.
00:06:15 For those who are very young,
00:06:18 maybe you don't remember, but Saint-Étienne,
00:06:20 which is perhaps also coming to Serie A,
00:06:22 or maybe it will come, because if it comes,
00:06:25 it will be published later.
00:06:27 It was the team where Platini was born,
00:06:32 so where Platini played.
00:06:34 So for us, playing the final, Dindelli, from Milan,
00:06:37 against Saint-Étienne in the final in Paris,
00:06:40 there were other important teams,
00:06:42 and we all won.
00:06:44 It was there, so maybe some observers,
00:06:47 I'm seeing them in Milan, they had seen me.
00:06:50 There weren't many observers,
00:06:52 but they're better when you go to play,
00:06:54 you already have it.
00:06:56 In addition, we had a president,
00:06:59 which I always say in my book,
00:07:01 anyway, when I talk about it,
00:07:03 his name is Barzaghi,
00:07:05 who was president of Seregno,
00:07:07 an entrepreneur from Milan,
00:07:09 who became vice-president of Milan later,
00:07:12 in the Farina era, when he even made the transition,
00:07:15 he kept the transition between Farina and Berlusconi,
00:07:17 so I'm saying something that I don't know
00:07:19 many people didn't know.
00:07:20 But Barzaghi, president of Seregno,
00:07:22 so in that case, when he came to Milan,
00:07:24 some players from Seregno,
00:07:27 from the youth, he took them to Milan.
00:07:30 I was already in Milan because I had already signed
00:07:32 previously when...
00:07:34 - So you were 10 years old?
00:07:35 - 10 years old.
00:07:36 I continue with the story, my dad tells me
00:07:38 to go to Seregno to do the test,
00:07:40 I get there and at that point,
00:07:42 there was no test, it was just me,
00:07:44 because it was during the week,
00:07:46 it wasn't a test for many,
00:07:47 so I train with the team there.
00:07:49 At that point, we kicked a little in goal
00:07:52 and I was already kicking well,
00:07:54 that's one of my characteristics,
00:07:55 even after I brought it.
00:07:57 So they look at me like that,
00:07:59 they say, "Demetrio, but what role do you play?"
00:08:01 I said, "I've always played as a seven,
00:08:03 because then Toria played as a seven,
00:08:05 and I was on the right wing,
00:08:06 because I was the youngest,
00:08:07 because going with my brother,
00:08:08 four years older,
00:08:09 they put you a little on the right wing,
00:08:11 they didn't put you in the middle like that.
00:08:13 And I played, then the coach looks at me,
00:08:15 and then he says, "Look,
00:08:17 draw a line,
00:08:19 let the right wing lose,
00:08:21 if you play in the middle of the right wing, you know?"
00:08:23 So this is where the role came from,
00:08:25 as an idea.
00:08:26 And so I started playing there,
00:08:28 I said, "Tomorrow there's the tournament,
00:08:30 a game,
00:08:31 and the day after I went to play the game,
00:08:33 and I'll always remember it,
00:08:35 with those of a year older,
00:08:36 so with those of 11 years old,
00:08:37 where the president's son also played.
00:08:39 And they always remind me when I see him,
00:08:42 punishment,
00:08:43 I arrived,
00:08:44 and I have to say it,
00:08:45 in those years,
00:08:46 when you're little,
00:08:47 I don't know,
00:08:48 since you're a generation,
00:08:49 your parents bought you the shoe
00:08:51 with two bigger numbers,
00:08:52 you didn't change it every year.
00:08:56 So I had the shoes with some...
00:08:58 Punishment,
00:08:59 and no one would dare
00:09:01 to take away the president's son,
00:09:04 Giangi,
00:09:05 who's still a friend.
00:09:07 At some point,
00:09:08 I move him,
00:09:10 and everyone looks at me,
00:09:11 "What is he doing?"
00:09:12 But I didn't know he was the president's son.
00:09:15 - A shot from the window.
00:09:16 - I shoot, goal,
00:09:17 so we score,
00:09:18 I go out,
00:09:19 the president looks at me,
00:09:20 he came to see his son,
00:09:21 it's not that he came just for the shoes,
00:09:23 he looks at me,
00:09:24 a football fan,
00:09:25 he says,
00:09:26 "First thing,
00:09:27 go get the shoes."
00:09:28 - Because you did the spoon.
00:09:30 - We did all the things,
00:09:32 and then a wonderful relationship was established.
00:09:34 - Then Milan,
00:09:35 you were already telling me about the tournament in Paris,
00:09:37 that if Milan was almost a dream,
00:09:39 I imagine that Paris was like
00:09:41 taking a spaceship.
00:09:42 - Sure,
00:09:43 but we went by bus,
00:09:44 so we were in the middle of it,
00:09:45 we packed it,
00:09:46 we accompanied it,
00:09:48 I was tired,
00:09:49 but a tournament,
00:09:50 I don't know,
00:09:51 we played two games a day,
00:09:53 you can imagine,
00:09:54 and to go back to what you were saying,
00:09:57 you played 11,
00:09:58 but it's better 3 against 3,
00:10:01 the 3 against 3 is more like a street game,
00:10:03 if you're not physically good at 11,
00:10:06 you never know.
00:10:07 - Sorry,
00:10:08 I always say that,
00:10:09 if you think about it,
00:10:10 I'll digress for a moment,
00:10:12 22 players,
00:10:14 let's take away the goalkeepers,
00:10:15 who play today,
00:10:16 so they touch the ball,
00:10:18 so when you play,
00:10:19 there are 20,
00:10:20 you play more or less 60 minutes of actual time,
00:10:23 right?
00:10:24 60 minutes,
00:10:25 you divide it by 20 players,
00:10:27 it's 3 minutes per head,
00:10:28 you touch the ball,
00:10:30 let's say that the midfielders,
00:10:32 because I like to play,
00:10:33 you touch it a bit more,
00:10:34 on the wing you touch it a bit less,
00:10:36 so there's someone who touches it less than 3 minutes,
00:10:40 in 90 minutes,
00:10:41 so you understand that football is not just the technical part,
00:10:44 but everything else,
00:10:45 when you don't have the ball,
00:10:47 think,
00:10:48 a child,
00:10:49 how many times can he touch the ball?
00:10:50 Some never,
00:10:51 you never touch it,
00:10:52 you never touch it,
00:10:54 you never touch it.
00:10:55 Did you feel the pressure when you were at Milan as a kid,
00:10:57 or was it a natural flow,
00:10:59 of strong friends like you,
00:11:01 you didn't realize you were already living a dream?
00:11:04 No, it's the beauty of playing football,
00:11:06 you have to know that during my time in the Milan youth sector,
00:11:12 I had brought the bag back twice,
00:11:15 because I didn't play for a year,
00:11:17 or many times,
00:11:19 what can happen,
00:11:20 you miss it,
00:11:21 the coaches change,
00:11:22 things change,
00:11:23 I, fortunately,
00:11:24 I was the best of the group a few times,
00:11:28 I was always among the best,
00:11:29 but not always the best,
00:11:31 maybe I could consider myself the best for a year,
00:11:34 almost at the beginning,
00:11:36 you know, like in Serie A,
00:11:37 otherwise before I was among the good ones,
00:11:39 but there was someone better,
00:11:41 so I brought the bag back twice,
00:11:45 just in the open,
00:11:47 where it was,
00:11:48 the first time,
00:11:49 because I didn't play,
00:11:50 I wanted to have fun,
00:11:51 I was sad,
00:11:53 my parents,
00:11:54 I remember Zagatti was responsible,
00:11:58 he said "Son, come back sad,
00:12:02 you're already making sacrifices to come to Milan,
00:12:04 among all the things,
00:12:06 at least study and go play,
00:12:08 since you want to have fun,
00:12:09 go play here nearby,
00:12:10 with your friends,
00:12:11 or with a team nearby that wasn't Milan,
00:12:14 they could be...
00:12:15 I said "No, no, wait,
00:12:17 they'll change,
00:12:18 it's near the end of the season"
00:12:19 and the other time because I didn't study,
00:12:21 so my parents,
00:12:22 because I had bad grades,
00:12:24 first quarter,
00:12:25 so it was a bit to make me laugh.
00:12:27 - But you anticipated the next question
00:12:29 I would have asked you,
00:12:30 how did you reconcile with school,
00:12:31 how did you go to the field,
00:12:33 if there was a bus,
00:12:34 if your parents took you,
00:12:36 and then I imagine at 12,
00:12:37 you play in Milan,
00:12:38 you go to school in a suit,
00:12:40 or...
00:12:42 - So,
00:12:43 - There were two parallel roads.
00:12:44 - As far as school is concerned,
00:12:48 you try to maximize the time you could have,
00:12:52 with all the criticism you can have at that age,
00:12:55 with a passion for something else,
00:12:57 already identified,
00:12:58 that many at that age don't have.
00:13:00 To give you an idea,
00:13:02 what I did,
00:13:03 I always tell it when I go to talk to the kids
00:13:05 in school,
00:13:06 I was 14,
00:13:08 which was the year I didn't play,
00:13:09 so that year I looked back,
00:13:11 I was in the very young,
00:13:13 I think I was very young.
00:13:15 - Yes, the first year of the very young.
00:13:16 - Very young,
00:13:17 B, because there were the categories,
00:13:18 so very young.
00:13:20 I took the bus,
00:13:23 6.30, 6.00, 6.30, 7.00,
00:13:26 I went to Seregno,
00:13:27 the famous Seregno in school,
00:13:29 with the bag under the books,
00:13:30 because there was a bag of things above everything,
00:13:33 the sandwich,
00:13:34 sometimes my mom woke up to make me
00:13:36 the cutlet to put it so it was hot,
00:13:38 otherwise they were always sliced.
00:13:40 I left school,
00:13:42 I had to run 2 km more or less,
00:13:44 so there was no bus that could get there,
00:13:46 I went to the station,
00:13:47 Milan,
00:13:48 Metropolitan,
00:13:50 San Babila, 73, Linate,
00:13:52 and then in the evening I would come back with the bus,
00:13:55 a friend of my family would pass by,
00:13:57 who worked there,
00:13:58 so I would come back more or less in winter,
00:14:01 a little earlier,
00:14:02 because then it gets dark,
00:14:03 so in the summer I could come back
00:14:05 at 9.30, 10.00,
00:14:07 so I remember that I was tired,
00:14:09 I slept and I got up,
00:14:10 I set the alarm at 5.00
00:14:11 and I studied in the morning from 5.00 to 7.00,
00:14:13 sometimes I was unprepared,
00:14:15 because from 5.00 to 7.00
00:14:16 you couldn't manage the time,
00:14:19 you would turn it off,
00:14:20 so sometimes things like that,
00:14:22 but I graduated,
00:14:24 because I have to say that
00:14:26 the last two years,
00:14:27 already playing in Serie A,
00:14:28 I went to live in Milan,
00:14:30 I asked for the opportunity because there were no means,
00:14:32 and so I finished school,
00:14:34 a little for my parents,
00:14:35 and then because you find it,
00:14:37 even if it's not a bad thing.
00:14:38 - I ask you,
00:14:39 not being always the best,
00:14:41 as you say,
00:14:42 and then having also...
00:14:43 - Not even at school,
00:14:44 - Not even at school,
00:14:45 and then having under the eyes
00:14:47 also many young players
00:14:48 who came to Serie A,
00:14:50 not with quality and Chelsea,
00:14:52 Messi or Neymar,
00:14:54 I ask you,
00:14:55 it may seem like a banal question,
00:14:57 but what is the mix?
00:14:58 I mean, you understand at a certain point,
00:15:01 you become aware,
00:15:02 or you stay there,
00:15:03 you suffer and then you come back,
00:15:05 or you mature,
00:15:06 or what is the secret that does not exist?
00:15:10 - There is no secret,
00:15:11 but first of all,
00:15:12 the conditioning of what is the family
00:15:14 and what is your status.
00:15:16 This is a fortune that makes you comfortable
00:15:19 or complicates you.
00:15:21 The management of a moment of almost realization
00:15:24 or almost close
00:15:25 that you can reach a dream.
00:15:27 Second, it must be said that
00:15:29 on average, a sportsman,
00:15:31 so not only football,
00:15:32 football a lot,
00:15:34 because then I say it later,
00:15:36 you reach two things in life
00:15:38 that everyone would like,
00:15:40 from the great entrepreneurs,
00:15:41 things like that,
00:15:42 which are economic stability
00:15:44 and popularity in the years
00:15:47 when you are not yet ready
00:15:49 to manage this thing.
00:15:50 Because what I say,
00:15:52 you said it,
00:15:53 you were 22 years old,
00:15:54 what were you doing at 22?
00:15:56 - Studying.
00:15:57 - Studying.
00:15:58 I was playing penalty kick in the World Cup final.
00:16:00 It is at the maximum of the aspiration of a child
00:16:02 who could put it there,
00:16:03 he says, "More than things, what is there?"
00:16:05 And he says to me,
00:16:06 "You are preparing for what you will become,
00:16:08 what you are and what you will become again.
00:16:10 You are 34 years old,
00:16:12 I went to talk,
00:16:13 you are retired, 35,
00:16:14 I retired at 35,
00:16:15 you are retired.
00:16:16 Retired, today you say,
00:16:18 "No, no, I'm in the air, 70."
00:16:20 - I'm 70.
00:16:21 - So, no, I understand.
00:16:22 So there are completely different rules to manage.
00:16:25 How, how, so,
00:16:27 you understand the difficulties that exist.
00:16:30 One, I think,
00:16:32 I say it from what I am now,
00:16:35 I am now an entrepreneur, sports manager,
00:16:38 manager.
00:16:40 There is one thing that unites any success,
00:16:44 anything,
00:16:45 which is not talent,
00:16:47 but it is discipline.
00:16:49 Discipline is the thing that allows you
00:16:51 the sum of constancy,
00:16:53 to believe in it,
00:16:55 commitment,
00:16:56 everything is enclosed in the discipline.
00:16:59 Why?
00:17:00 Many tell you,
00:17:01 "Look for what you like to do
00:17:04 and you will see that you will overcome problems,
00:17:06 the usual things."
00:17:08 I was doing the most beautiful thing in the world.
00:17:11 But, if you tell me,
00:17:13 you went all the days of your life
00:17:16 to do training with desire,
00:17:19 and sometimes you were tired,
00:17:21 sometimes you were a little tired,
00:17:22 sometimes you could think
00:17:24 you wanted to do something else,
00:17:25 you wanted to stay in bed,
00:17:26 you had to stay ...
00:17:27 What is it that takes you every time?
00:17:29 Discipline.
00:17:30 What is it that you go there and say,
00:17:31 "Even if I'm tired,
00:17:32 even if I don't want to,
00:17:33 I have to train because I have to bring something home."
00:17:35 Discipline.
00:17:36 And it is also true for ...
00:17:38 But there was something that ...
00:17:40 Sorry, we saw the director who moved ...
00:17:42 Discipline.
00:17:43 No, not discipline,
00:17:44 it's called something else.
00:17:45 [Laughter]
00:17:46 But Dimitri, but ...
00:17:47 We said other things, not discipline.
00:17:50 But Dimitri,
00:17:51 but there was something in your discipline
00:17:53 in your path
00:17:55 that distorted you from discipline,
00:17:57 and it could be maybe some friend,
00:17:59 some little girl,
00:18:01 or the desire to escape,
00:18:04 or you have always been,
00:18:05 and you say it clearly,
00:18:06 it is true that there is always a family,
00:18:08 in your case, splendid behind,
00:18:09 but maybe the boy,
00:18:11 being self-reliant,
00:18:12 could also be wrong.
00:18:14 No.
00:18:15 Never?
00:18:16 No, because I did the most beautiful thing in the world
00:18:18 and I respected the most beautiful thing I did,
00:18:22 which was playing football,
00:18:23 which was a childhood dream.
00:18:24 If we think,
00:18:25 when a child is 4 or 5 years old,
00:18:27 you always ask the usual question,
00:18:29 what do you dream of being,
00:18:30 to become?
00:18:32 Doctor at most,
00:18:35 and footballer.
00:18:37 These are the two ...
00:18:38 Male, eh?
00:18:40 What dreams can ...
00:18:41 I don't know, one of them ...
00:18:42 And then it comes true.
00:18:44 As a child, you don't say,
00:18:46 I will become the delegate administrator
00:18:48 of a great multinational.
00:18:50 You don't say it.
00:18:52 Then we are talking about
00:18:53 something even more important, right?
00:18:55 But you don't say it.
00:18:56 You are still living in the phase of football,
00:18:59 of the dream.
00:19:00 And if one respects this dream,
00:19:02 then he understands that really,
00:19:05 as I always say,
00:19:06 they are not sacrifices,
00:19:07 but they are renunciations.
00:19:09 Listen, but the dream then became real.
00:19:11 Did you understand that it was becoming real
00:19:13 when you were 17 years old?
00:19:15 Or did you understand it before,
00:19:16 did you dream of it before?
00:19:17 Look, tell me, sorry.
00:19:19 How is it to be 17 years old in Milan,
00:19:21 of Arrigo Sacchi,
00:19:22 and then we will also talk about Arrigo Sacchi.
00:19:25 Look, let's say right away that
00:19:27 if one goes to see the image again,
00:19:29 there was fog,
00:19:30 so I couldn't see the second ring,
00:19:31 I couldn't see anything above it.
00:19:33 So I didn't see the second ring.
00:19:35 A little less pressure.
00:19:36 So the stadium didn't seem small, right?
00:19:38 So that, no.
00:19:40 What it is like to be deaf?
00:19:43 I always say it,
00:19:44 I became deaf at 17 years old,
00:19:46 I was with the first team
00:19:49 from the beginning of that season,
00:19:51 which if I tell you my first call-up,
00:19:53 it's just to laugh,
00:19:54 that it really happened,
00:19:55 then maybe we'll tell you.
00:19:57 And so when, it seems to me,
00:20:01 he scored the penalty,
00:20:03 I think he scored 3-0,
00:20:05 it was more or less 20 minutes away,
00:20:07 I said, now he puts me in.
00:20:09 And why did I have it in this dimension?
00:20:12 In this dimension, because for me,
00:20:14 when one becomes deaf in that team,
00:20:16 we are talking about teammates
00:20:19 who are all teachers for me,
00:20:22 at 17 years old,
00:20:24 you are not ready to play in that Milan,
00:20:27 even the best in the world.
00:20:29 For me, I have always considered it as a reward.
00:20:32 What I have always managed well,
00:20:35 in my opinion,
00:20:36 being from then,
00:20:37 are the training sessions,
00:20:38 that I played with people of a certain type
00:20:40 and so you improved every day,
00:20:44 every time,
00:20:45 to watch, to train at rhythms of a certain type,
00:20:48 so that was really formative.
00:20:50 The debut, I will always remember,
00:20:53 it was wonderful,
00:20:54 I go out and outside the stadium,
00:20:57 a fan says to me,
00:20:58 "Well done, well done Dimitri,
00:20:59 you didn't play a quarter of an hour,
00:21:01 it's not that they saw I was good,
00:21:02 they saw I was deaf."
00:21:04 You know I've seen many deaf people
00:21:06 who then disappeared.
00:21:07 - No, but I don't know.
00:21:08 - Very delicate.
00:21:09 - No, but I still remember it,
00:21:12 it's those things that then lead you,
00:21:14 you won the Champions League,
00:21:15 you won the World Cup,
00:21:16 but you remember these things.
00:21:17 - And you remember the Lord.
00:21:18 - When they tell you this sentence,
00:21:19 you say, "Yes, it could happen,
00:21:20 in fact, I got there,
00:21:21 but I was 17 years old,
00:21:22 as you say,
00:21:23 I have my life ahead of me,
00:21:24 or no, that's enough,
00:21:25 now it has started,
00:21:26 in quotes, I did it,
00:21:27 from now on,
00:21:28 I will always have more space, etc. "
00:21:30 - So, the result of your career,
00:21:38 of what you have done,
00:21:39 you can only know at the end.
00:21:41 And you can imagine,
00:21:43 imagine in which group you are,
00:21:45 so it's not that you're unique,
00:21:47 in which group to be.
00:21:49 To be in those who could have won more,
00:21:52 because I tell you,
00:21:53 I lost 11 finals,
00:21:54 Paulo says it too,
00:21:55 we lost a lot at the same time,
00:21:58 so 11 finals are a lot,
00:22:00 then if you also put on the plate
00:22:02 what you won,
00:22:03 think how much one could win,
00:22:04 that Milan and Paolo even more.
00:22:08 So, in what I did,
00:22:11 I did everything,
00:22:12 I collected what I was,
00:22:14 what I was,
00:22:15 then the sport is meritocratic,
00:22:18 or I was in that part of saying,
00:22:20 "Good job, but he did less than he could do",
00:22:24 because there are many,
00:22:25 those who could do more,
00:22:27 you know how many,
00:22:28 in that group.
00:22:29 - Ah, if it had been applied.
00:22:30 - Yes, yes,
00:22:31 ah, if the head,
00:22:33 even if I had been fast,
00:22:35 I would have won the golden ball.
00:22:36 It doesn't matter,
00:22:37 you can modify something.
00:22:39 So, honestly,
00:22:40 it depends on what you have to be.
00:22:44 And when you turn 17,
00:22:46 you have to be able to give the right weight
00:22:48 of what it is.
00:22:49 And that was,
00:22:51 where I felt like a player
00:22:53 is when I started to make the starting XI at Milan.
00:22:55 I came back,
00:22:56 two games,
00:22:57 I remember,
00:22:58 I was a soldier,
00:22:59 we did the Anna Padova,
00:23:00 I came back to Milan
00:23:01 and two friendly players
00:23:03 didn't let me play,
00:23:04 or let me play the last 10 minutes,
00:23:05 Carlo was playing,
00:23:06 right?
00:23:07 Rightly,
00:23:08 I was chosen,
00:23:09 then it's not that,
00:23:10 no?
00:23:11 And it was his last year.
00:23:13 And on that occasion,
00:23:14 I felt like a player,
00:23:15 I went to Capello,
00:23:16 telling me,
00:23:17 "Send me away,
00:23:18 because if I don't play,
00:23:19 I feel like a player."
00:23:21 Then I don't know if I'll be at Milan,
00:23:22 at the same level as Milan,
00:23:23 or if I'll be at the level of another team.
00:23:25 But after I did that,
00:23:26 I want to play.
00:23:27 So there,
00:23:28 mark what you have,
00:23:30 because you think you're a footballer.
00:23:32 At 17,
00:23:33 after the debut,
00:23:34 Carlo Paulo.
00:23:35 And Capello told you?
00:23:36 He plays.
00:23:37 He plays?
00:23:38 He played.
00:23:39 So, two things I marked.
00:23:40 The first funny call,
00:23:41 at this point,
00:23:42 come on,
00:23:43 let's tell it.
00:23:44 Yes,
00:23:45 I go to a tournament,
00:23:46 so at least you understand,
00:23:47 also sometimes
00:23:48 we talk about the discoverers,
00:23:49 I had two discoverers
00:23:50 who really shaped me,
00:23:51 Arrigo Sacchi and Capello.
00:23:53 But Capello also intervenes at the beginning.
00:23:55 So,
00:23:56 I go to a tournament,
00:23:57 start of the season,
00:23:59 you're playing,
00:24:01 if you play the Aberetti,
00:24:03 you start playing in the spring.
00:24:05 So,
00:24:06 skip a category,
00:24:07 you're close,
00:24:08 because once when you were in the spring,
00:24:10 50% of the players came to be footballers.
00:24:13 I don't know what level,
00:24:14 but they came.
00:24:15 Now,
00:24:16 unfortunately,
00:24:17 very few.
00:24:18 I sent you very bad data,
00:24:19 of our football.
00:24:20 So,
00:24:21 this,
00:24:22 you got there.
00:24:23 So,
00:24:24 you didn't know,
00:24:25 you wanted to skip.
00:24:26 We go to play in Genoa,
00:24:27 I remember a tournament,
00:24:28 we win,
00:24:29 maybe,
00:24:30 we were in the final,
00:24:31 so until the end.
00:24:32 So,
00:24:33 you play 7 games,
00:24:34 you play all of them,
00:24:35 from the youngest,
00:24:36 so think about the rhythm.
00:24:37 You get home,
00:24:38 the next day,
00:24:39 you're tired,
00:24:40 from there you understand the discipline.
00:24:42 You're tired,
00:24:43 you have to take all the trains,
00:24:45 that I told you,
00:24:46 to go,
00:24:47 16 years,
00:24:48 16 and a half years.
00:24:49 I call,
00:24:50 I call the doctor,
00:24:51 I say,
00:24:52 doctor,
00:24:53 look,
00:24:54 I have a line of 37 fever,
00:24:56 it wasn't true,
00:24:57 37 fever.
00:24:58 Oh!
00:24:59 Ok,
00:25:00 stay at home,
00:25:01 you can rest,
00:25:02 you come down to run for 15 minutes,
00:25:04 to warm up,
00:25:05 and then,
00:25:06 ok,
00:25:07 I put them there.
00:25:08 The next day,
00:25:09 my dad arrives in the "Gazzetta dello Sport",
00:25:11 in that year,
00:25:12 we're talking about 1988,
00:25:13 there are the Olympics,
00:25:14 5 players from Milan are away,
00:25:16 so there's the Coppa Italia,
00:25:17 that you play all in pre-season,
00:25:19 let's call it like that,
00:25:20 and the newspaper says,
00:25:21 "Arrigo Sacchi,
00:25:22 we have to change the calendar,
00:25:24 because I have to call 5 players from the spring,
00:25:27 because mine are away at the Olympics,
00:25:29 and even one of them,
00:25:30 I don't even know who he is,
00:25:31 I've never seen him,
00:25:32 but he was pointed out to me by Capello,
00:25:34 who was the head of the youth sector,
00:25:36 to go and train with the first team.
00:25:39 I was there all day,
00:25:41 because today,
00:25:42 one says,
00:25:43 I have the phone,
00:25:44 I'm going to do things,
00:25:45 no,
00:25:46 I was there all day,
00:25:47 in front of the microphone,
00:25:48 waiting for the phone call.
00:25:50 - But he said he was Demetrio Albertini?
00:25:52 - Of course,
00:25:53 the name is in the "Gazzetta",
00:25:55 already in the bench,
00:25:56 all that,
00:25:57 but I have the fever,
00:25:58 which was not true,
00:25:59 so think what you could think.
00:26:02 - And in the end he called you?
00:26:04 - The next day,
00:26:05 I said,
00:26:06 those 5,
00:26:07 we went to train,
00:26:08 we are with the first team.
00:26:09 - You got cured,
00:26:10 congratulations.
00:26:11 - Every day I went to play with the first team,
00:26:13 so I went to train with the first team,
00:26:15 we did the bench,
00:26:16 we went out,
00:26:17 I think with Torino,
00:26:18 or with Rome,
00:26:19 we went out immediately in that Coppa Italia,
00:26:21 but in September,
00:26:22 Arrigo Sacchi said,
00:26:23 from now on,
00:26:24 you always train with us,
00:26:26 so you are in,
00:26:27 I trained in August,
00:26:29 but Rome gave me the officiality in September.
00:26:32 - But you were physically small at the beginning,
00:26:34 and to go and see,
00:26:37 and that year there was already,
00:26:38 no,
00:26:39 Rijkaard arrived later,
00:26:40 maybe,
00:26:41 there was already,
00:26:42 the Rijkaard,
00:26:43 - I only went to the Scudetto.
00:26:44 - These,
00:26:45 these big brands here,
00:26:46 you were afraid?
00:26:47 - I trained,
00:26:48 I,
00:26:49 I,
00:26:50 - You were physically afraid?
00:26:51 - Sure,
00:26:52 I trained to be a Capriole,
00:26:53 because when they touched me,
00:26:54 I was afraid.
00:26:55 I went so far,
00:26:56 that I had to train to be a Capriole.
00:26:58 When they ran,
00:26:59 you had to see the effort they made.
00:27:02 - And Sacchi,
00:27:03 how was he?
00:27:04 Beyond the coach,
00:27:05 beyond what we then saw.
00:27:07 - So,
00:27:08 maniacal,
00:27:09 then after the years pass,
00:27:10 you also go out,
00:27:11 I was lucky,
00:27:12 I say lucky,
00:27:13 and,
00:27:14 and,
00:27:15 and also pleasure,
00:27:16 and sometimes displeasure,
00:27:18 because everyone has made himself a character,
00:27:20 you know it a bit too,
00:27:21 because everyone will have told you,
00:27:23 how it is that he is maniacal,
00:27:25 but a teacher,
00:27:27 we had,
00:27:28 so meticulous,
00:27:30 too much,
00:27:31 you know,
00:27:32 how I shot before.
00:27:33 - Yes, yes,
00:27:34 but we tell,
00:27:35 we tell.
00:27:36 - No,
00:27:37 anyway,
00:27:38 maniacal,
00:27:39 all things,
00:27:40 but objectively,
00:27:41 he transformed,
00:27:42 what could be,
00:27:44 in my opinion,
00:27:45 brought to Italy,
00:27:46 what was supposed to be a football game,
00:27:49 with a creation of emotions.
00:27:51 Otherwise,
00:27:52 it was a team game,
00:27:53 otherwise,
00:27:54 until then,
00:27:55 we were just looking at the great players,
00:27:57 that's it.
00:27:58 - But there was a sentence that he always told you,
00:28:00 that you said,
00:28:01 yes, I know,
00:28:02 because Gali had said his,
00:28:03 Vamvambastane,
00:28:04 Gulli always said the same sentence,
00:28:05 there was a you who always told you,
00:28:07 like the uncle,
00:28:08 who always tells you the same thing.
00:28:10 - Yes, there were more,
00:28:11 but one that I remember,
00:28:12 it wasn't for me,
00:28:13 because I didn't have it on the belt,
00:28:14 the right line,
00:28:15 the left line,
00:28:16 I only passed it when I entered the field,
00:28:18 so I didn't move from the center,
00:28:20 because there,
00:28:21 it was more difficult,
00:28:22 otherwise I would have kicked the corner kicks,
00:28:24 so I saw it.
00:28:25 But he said,
00:28:26 "boy on the line",
00:28:27 because he had to widen the space,
00:28:29 because there was the field,
00:28:30 and even later he started saying,
00:28:32 "outside the line",
00:28:33 that we are talking about two,
00:28:34 the line, how much will it be?
00:28:35 Two centimeters,
00:28:36 so we go back to another thing.
00:28:38 - Exactly,
00:28:39 tell us about being a maniac,
00:28:40 with an anecdote that you remember,
00:28:41 on the field,
00:28:42 and one outside the field.
00:28:44 - Two wonderful things,
00:28:46 one,
00:28:47 I say that the field,
00:28:48 he was outside the field,
00:28:49 we were in the field,
00:28:50 who knows Milanello,
00:28:51 knows that there is the terrace,
00:28:52 where there is the clubhouse,
00:28:53 at the top,
00:28:54 and the central field,
00:28:56 there is a piece of green,
00:28:57 the descent,
00:28:58 the siepe,
00:28:59 then there is the track,
00:29:00 and then there is the field,
00:29:01 which is therefore distant.
00:29:02 He had the voice,
00:29:04 which is remembered like this,
00:29:06 he had a low voice,
00:29:08 because he always screamed,
00:29:09 from training,
00:29:10 so he went to the terrace,
00:29:13 so very far,
00:29:14 with the megaphone,
00:29:15 and he screamed,
00:29:16 and we didn't hear anything,
00:29:17 because he was down there,
00:29:18 and he had a low voice,
00:29:20 all the noise,
00:29:21 everything was coming,
00:29:22 so it was funny.
00:29:24 And instead,
00:29:26 on the field there are many situations,
00:29:28 I remember,
00:29:29 I say one,
00:29:31 we are here to talk about Milan,
00:29:32 but Arrigo Sacchi also did the national team,
00:29:34 coming and things,
00:29:35 so he was a coach for me,
00:29:37 he was not only the Milan coach,
00:29:39 that I had at Milan,
00:29:41 I also had him in the national team,
00:29:42 and I also had him later as a manager,
00:29:44 so I attended him many times,
00:29:47 I say it,
00:29:48 it's demanding,
00:29:49 but as a manager it's even more demanding,
00:29:51 but he left you a lot.
00:29:53 And one time,
00:29:54 when we were,
00:29:56 nobody knows,
00:29:57 I think nobody knows this,
00:29:59 the second match of the 1994 World Cup,
00:30:02 we had to leave to play the second match,
00:30:07 and Dino Baggio calls me in his room,
00:30:13 we were the two youngest,
00:30:16 I was the youngest,
00:30:17 he was a month older,
00:30:18 so we were the youngest,
00:30:19 he says "Guys,
00:30:21 this is the last chance I give you".
00:30:23 - A little pressure.
00:30:24 - "If not, don't play".
00:30:26 - I can imagine.
00:30:27 - In fact,
00:30:28 every now and then I remember,
00:30:30 Arrigo, of course you brought the psychologist,
00:30:31 but not for me.
00:30:32 - You played that match together,
00:30:35 in the middle of the field,
00:30:36 you both played.
00:30:37 - We played the first one, we lost,
00:30:38 the second one,
00:30:39 so it was inside and outside,
00:30:40 we would have played the same one,
00:30:42 so we lost a bit.
00:30:44 - I remember you said something,
00:30:46 "In Milanello we have always learned
00:30:48 to aim for the top",
00:30:49 and I remember how much Brocchi said,
00:30:51 when he was here,
00:30:52 he said "In Milanello,
00:30:53 seeing the photos,
00:30:54 obviously yours,
00:30:56 of those who raised the cups,
00:30:57 gave us an extra stimulus".
00:30:59 To this I add your dream phrase,
00:31:01 and Berlusconi,
00:31:02 who I imagine taught you to dream.
00:31:04 - Yes,
00:31:05 I think that when you talk about DNA,
00:31:08 which is transferred from time to time,
00:31:10 and one hopes,
00:31:13 because now I'm out,
00:31:15 one hopes that this will never be lost,
00:31:17 because then there are DNAs.
00:31:19 I lived the Barcelona one,
00:31:21 I know the Barcelona one,
00:31:22 I know the Atletico one,
00:31:23 which is completely different from the Barcelona one,
00:31:25 which are two wonderful ones,
00:31:26 I know the Atalanta one,
00:31:27 I know the Milan one very well,
00:31:30 and I think that the Milan one,
00:31:34 objectively,
00:31:35 since we lived it,
00:31:37 because it was a radical change of objectives,
00:31:41 because when you were before Berlusconi,
00:31:43 in the previous years,
00:31:45 twice in Serie B,
00:31:47 we forget how,
00:31:48 you reached the semi-final,
00:31:51 sometimes you qualified for the UEFA Cup,
00:31:53 there was the UEFA Cup,
00:31:54 so this was the Milan trend,
00:31:56 the last one was 10 years before the Stella,
00:31:59 but more or less it was this.
00:32:02 Berlusconi said something,
00:32:05 "We won't win the Scudetto",
00:32:07 it seemed the simplest thing,
00:32:08 or "We'll win the Champions League",
00:32:10 something a bit difficult,
00:32:12 but he said "We'll become the strongest team in the world",
00:32:15 and what I said,
00:32:16 which I said to the president many times,
00:32:18 when I had the chance to speak,
00:32:20 was "You, with all the managerial structure,
00:32:25 you made something utopian,
00:32:30 because when you say
00:32:32 "We'll become the strongest team in the world",
00:32:34 objectively,
00:32:36 even if we don't win the Champions League,
00:32:38 in terms of perception abroad,
00:32:41 Milan still has the brand,
00:32:43 but more than the brand,
00:32:44 because I don't like these words,
00:32:46 it's the most recognized Italian team,
00:32:50 and not only Italian.
00:32:52 Nice.
00:32:55 I wanted to do,
00:32:57 but we'll come back to it,
00:32:59 but there's a nice parenthesis from Padova,
00:33:01 that Luca found,
00:33:02 you go with this one,
00:33:03 because this one is nice.
00:33:04 You start with Milan,
00:33:06 but you understand there's not much space,
00:33:09 or it's too early,
00:33:11 and you go to Padova.
00:33:13 I want you to tell us
00:33:15 how you found out,
00:33:16 how you decided,
00:33:18 or how you were decided to go to Padova,
00:33:20 and then I read an anecdote
00:33:22 about the first night you arrive in Padova,
00:33:23 which is incredible.
00:33:24 It wasn't the first night,
00:33:25 because I arrive on Monday,
00:33:26 or Monday night,
00:33:27 because I go to sign in the office,
00:33:29 and then for the first time,
00:33:31 I drive the car,
00:33:32 I drive on the highway,
00:33:33 I don't even know where Padova is,
00:33:35 I don't know where I am.
00:33:36 I just know I have to go to Venice,
00:33:39 because my aunt says,
00:33:40 "If you go to Padova,
00:33:41 we'll come and find you,
00:33:43 so we can go to Venice."
00:33:44 This is the thing.
00:33:46 Venice is a bit like California.
00:33:48 So, first of all,
00:33:54 the decision of Padova,
00:33:55 I will always remember,
00:33:56 Berlusconi at the beginning of the year comes,
00:33:58 he tells me, "President Dimitri,
00:33:59 I talked to Arrigo,
00:34:02 you're not going away,
00:34:03 don't start asking me to go to loan
00:34:05 to play after two years."
00:34:07 Because I think it's better
00:34:09 to play 15 games in Milan
00:34:11 than to play a championship,
00:34:12 because I see that all those who go away,
00:34:14 we lose for one thing or another.
00:34:16 In those years,
00:34:18 there were Cappellini, Mannari, Lantignotti,
00:34:21 there were so many players who left
00:34:23 and then they never came back.
00:34:25 So I said, "President,
00:34:28 if you make me play 15 games,
00:34:29 I'll stay there."
00:34:30 So I played 15 games in Milan,
00:34:32 there were so many,
00:34:34 at 19 years old,
00:34:37 there were so many.
00:34:39 Then we left,
00:34:40 there was the November market,
00:34:42 you don't even know what the November market is,
00:34:44 there was the January market,
00:34:47 and there was the November market.
00:34:48 It was called the repair market,
00:34:50 so it goes from September to October,
00:34:52 and November, you don't play that bad,
00:34:54 so you give me away.
00:34:56 - You have to get to 15 in July.
00:34:57 - You have to get hurt,
00:34:58 you put the team.
00:34:59 So give me away.
00:35:01 And then,
00:35:02 it was decided by Padova.
00:35:04 I don't know why.
00:35:05 - Once he decided the others,
00:35:06 am I wrong?
00:35:07 I mean, there was no such thing,
00:35:09 go there.
00:35:10 - In loan, you know that,
00:35:11 because in my opinion,
00:35:13 what changes,
00:35:14 I say it,
00:35:15 is that you are a heritage,
00:35:16 you feel like a heritage of the society,
00:35:19 and so the society will do good for you,
00:35:21 because then it will make you turn,
00:35:24 or it will make you a player,
00:35:26 it has grown you,
00:35:27 so it has invested a lot in you.
00:35:29 I keep saying it,
00:35:30 what is missing today,
00:35:31 many times, in Italian football,
00:35:32 is to conceive a youth sector
00:35:34 as a possibility to value,
00:35:37 also economically,
00:35:38 its own young people.
00:35:39 Today, the Italian market is missing,
00:35:42 internally,
00:35:43 I say internally,
00:35:44 Serie B, Serie C, Serie A,
00:35:45 this is what is missing a little,
00:35:47 that has been lost.
00:35:49 And so,
00:35:50 this value
00:35:51 allows you to put your balance sheets,
00:35:53 because you grew up,
00:35:54 you went to Padova,
00:35:55 if you weren't good for Milan,
00:35:57 you were still around for two years,
00:35:58 and then later you bought,
00:36:00 I don't know,
00:36:01 Fiorentina, Cremonese,
00:36:02 something,
00:36:03 but that was the value
00:36:06 of a heritage of the society,
00:36:07 as it happened for others.
00:36:09 - I think that later they will make the B teams,
00:36:11 in fact,
00:36:12 they will try to make the B teams,
00:36:13 I don't know,
00:36:14 am I wrong?
00:36:15 Should we cut it?
00:36:16 - No, no, no,
00:36:17 because I laugh,
00:36:18 I did the thesis as sports director
00:36:19 on the B teams,
00:36:20 and in 2010 I was the first in Italy
00:36:22 to tell it.
00:36:23 - Ah, ok.
00:36:24 - So,
00:36:25 I'm 14 years old,
00:36:26 and today I say,
00:36:27 that in my opinion,
00:36:28 we have lost 14 years,
00:36:29 because in the final phase of growth
00:36:31 of our young people,
00:36:32 we invested them,
00:36:33 then it's the phase of,
00:36:34 it's like,
00:36:35 if you think about the comparison,
00:36:37 you study,
00:36:38 you go to university,
00:36:39 then you have to get into work,
00:36:40 and you know there is a change,
00:36:41 because everything you have studied
00:36:42 can be useful to you,
00:36:43 but not everything,
00:36:44 because the dynamics of work
00:36:45 are different things.
00:36:46 So,
00:36:47 the B team is just that step,
00:36:48 but it takes you,
00:36:49 it takes you,
00:36:50 it takes you,
00:36:51 and you take that step,
00:36:52 but you keep it under control,
00:36:53 because if you don't,
00:36:54 you go out,
00:36:55 you're young,
00:36:56 you're not even from the team
00:36:57 that took you,
00:36:58 but you're from Milan,
00:36:59 I'll give you an example,
00:37:00 and at that point,
00:37:01 in the crucial games,
00:37:02 unless you're a phenomenon,
00:37:03 you're the first to be excluded,
00:37:04 right?
00:37:05 So,
00:37:06 I see this as a cultural thing
00:37:07 of growth
00:37:08 for our young people,
00:37:09 for our young people,
00:37:10 for our young people.
00:37:11 - But,
00:37:12 let's go back,
00:37:13 you get into A4,
00:37:14 - I get into A4,
00:37:15 I get up,
00:37:16 ok,
00:37:17 I get to the top,
00:37:18 I get to the top,
00:37:19 I get to the top,
00:37:20 ok,
00:37:21 I find Padua,
00:37:22 because you don't know,
00:37:23 because I'm always careful,
00:37:24 because they've always taught me
00:37:25 not to live my life
00:37:26 superficially,
00:37:27 so,
00:37:28 with attention,
00:37:29 so,
00:37:30 you have to think
00:37:31 that the first sign
00:37:32 with the word Padua
00:37:33 is 29 km away,
00:37:34 so,
00:37:35 29 km is missing,
00:37:36 until that 20 km
00:37:37 after Bergamo,
00:37:38 I didn't know
00:37:39 where to go,
00:37:40 I didn't know,
00:37:41 right or wrong,
00:37:42 so,
00:37:43 I didn't know,
00:37:44 so,
00:37:45 I get to Padua,
00:37:46 and then,
00:37:47 on Thursday,
00:37:48 they tell me,
00:37:49 I'm in the middle of a broadcast,
00:37:50 without filters,
00:37:51 on the phone,
00:37:52 you know,
00:37:53 on the phone,
00:37:54 and so,
00:37:55 with the sporting director,
00:37:56 the general director,
00:37:57 I don't remember,
00:37:58 at a certain point,
00:37:59 the first thing they say is,
00:38:00 "You've scored,
00:38:01 we haven't scored a goal."
00:38:02 Until then,
00:38:03 it seems to me,
00:38:04 8,
00:38:05 9 games,
00:38:06 5 points,
00:38:07 no,
00:38:08 9 games,
00:38:09 5 points,
00:38:10 0 goals,
00:38:11 so,
00:38:12 5-0-0,
00:38:13 but you won 1,
00:38:14 so,
00:38:15 last in the table,
00:38:16 and they say,
00:38:17 "You've scored
00:38:18 and we don't even know who it is,
00:38:19 from Juventus,
00:38:20 from the youth team,
00:38:21 and one from Milan,
00:38:22 and right away,
00:38:23 if he'd been good,
00:38:24 why did Milan have to give him away?
00:38:25 This is the first time.
00:38:26 - It's a shock,
00:38:27 2 points...
00:38:28 - Okay,
00:38:29 so,
00:38:30 the general director,
00:38:31 "No, but you'll see,
00:38:32 Demetrio,
00:38:33 so,
00:38:34 I have all the expectations."
00:38:35 After a while,
00:38:36 the fans arrive,
00:38:37 they come in,
00:38:38 angry,
00:38:39 all the things,
00:38:40 the fans arrive,
00:38:41 as if we were here,
00:38:42 on the TV,
00:38:43 about 30 fans outside
00:38:44 waiting for the broadcast to end.
00:38:46 So,
00:38:47 I'm at the wall,
00:38:48 19 years old,
00:38:49 what do I tell them?
00:38:50 It's the first time,
00:38:51 but what do I tell them?
00:38:52 And I say,
00:38:53 "Oh,
00:38:54 I...
00:38:55 No, no,
00:38:56 we don't have it with you,
00:38:57 maybe you're strong,
00:38:58 and all that."
00:38:59 And they say,
00:39:00 "At most,
00:39:01 let's go have a drink together,
00:39:02 we're the same age."
00:39:03 And it ends there,
00:39:04 so,
00:39:05 they argue,
00:39:06 they discuss,
00:39:07 as the fans do,
00:39:08 so,
00:39:09 let's say,
00:39:10 a bit angry,
00:39:11 but nothing...
00:39:12 Okay,
00:39:13 the next day,
00:39:14 Sunday,
00:39:15 the game,
00:39:16 I'm at the door,
00:39:17 all the whistles,
00:39:18 I take the corner,
00:39:19 "Embarrass yourselves,"
00:39:20 the sign says,
00:39:21 "Embarrass yourselves,
00:39:22 45 minutes for nothing."
00:39:23 I say,
00:39:24 "Where did I go?"
00:39:25 I don't know where I went,
00:39:26 honestly,
00:39:27 it's not an easy start.
00:39:28 But I have to say,
00:39:29 in the quarter of an hour,
00:39:30 we scored,
00:39:31 the whole stadium came in,
00:39:32 they started singing,
00:39:33 I say,
00:39:34 "Look,
00:39:35 there's still Pelle D'Oca,
00:39:36 there's still...
00:39:37 the whole stadium
00:39:38 was singing my name,
00:39:39 and that was my real debut,
00:39:40 my real debut."
00:39:41 But,
00:39:42 I don't know,
00:39:43 I don't know,
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