The Bill S25E53 Innocence Betrayed
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00:00Okay, our suspect is Paul Michael Brewer, currently on bail on suspicion of handling
00:11stolen goods, namely a laptop computer.
00:14At the time, he admitted buying it from a car boot sale, didn't know it was nicked,
00:17blah, blah.
00:18When it was examined, we found 33 indecent images of a four- or five-year-old girl.
00:22So this search is looking for anything related to them, that's DVDs, cameras, memory sticks,
00:27and any printed material.
00:28Remember, until we know who's responsible for these images, we don't want to start
00:31stinging mud around.
00:32Just keep everything nice and quiet.
00:33Alright, let's go.
00:58He's looking for the bag.
01:24What's the matter?
01:35Paul Brewer?
01:36Yes?
01:37I'm DS Carter from Sunhill.
01:38You know DC Masters and Webb?
01:39Yeah.
01:40Yeah, like I told them before.
01:41This isn't about stolen goods, mate.
01:42Paul Brewer, I'm arresting you for possession of indecent images of a child.
01:43You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when
01:46questioned something which you'd later rely on in court.
01:48Anything you do say may be given in evidence.
01:49I don't know what you're talking about.
01:51What images?
01:52Pictures we found on your laptop.
01:53We're going to conduct a search of the house for other illegal material.
01:55Oh, my goodness.
01:56Sally.
01:57It's about that laptop.
01:58I want to do another search.
01:59Is there anyone else in the house?
02:00No.
02:01Look.
02:02Just a minute, please.
02:03Mrs Brewer, we're going to search the house in your husband's presence.
02:04You can stay if you want to, or if there's someone you can go to until we've finished,
02:05you can do that.
02:06Go over to Dave and Linda's.
02:07It's just around the corner.
02:08Can she get dressed?
02:09Sure.
02:10It'll be alright.
02:11Come on, mate.
02:12I'll show you where you're going.
02:13Okay.
02:14Come with me, please.
02:15Okay.
02:16Is there anything you want to tell us?
02:17Anything you think we should know?
02:18No.
02:19I don't know what this is about.
02:20I haven't...
02:21I don't know anything about pictures.
02:22You said on the laptop.
02:23That's right.
02:24Look.
02:25I shouldn't have brought it.
02:26If I thought it was...
02:27It's not how you brought it.
02:28It's what you used it for.
02:29So I want you to sit down over there while we have a look around.
02:30Okay?
02:31What time are you going to be finished here?
02:32I need to be at work, babe.
02:33If you want to go to work, that's fine.
02:34I'm going to go to work.
02:35I'm going to go to work.
02:36I'm going to go to work.
02:37I'm going to go to work.
02:38I'm going to go to work.
02:39I'm going to go to work.
02:40I'm going to go to work.
02:41I'm going to go to work.
02:43I don't know what you're looking for.
02:44I'm sure your husband will explain it all.
02:45If you leave your contact details at PCL,
02:46I'm strong-willed you'll know by the time we're finished here.
02:47Okay?
02:48All right.
02:49Sam.
02:50Hmm?
02:51How old do you reckon she is?
02:52Oh, 18, 19.
02:53See if you can find out how long they've been together.
02:54Casual, okay?
02:55All right.
02:56Sam.
02:57Sam.
02:58Sam.
02:59Sam.
03:00Sam.
03:01Sam.
03:02Sam.
03:03Sam.
03:04Sam.
03:05Sam.
03:06Sam.
03:07Sam.
03:08Sam.
03:09Sam.
03:10Sam.
03:12Sam.
03:13Sam.
03:14Sam.
03:15Sam.
03:16I don't know.
03:17I don't know.
03:18I have to go to work.
03:19I'm not leaving.
03:20Nicky.
03:21Yeah?
03:22You going to bag these?
03:23Yeah, anything I can record and bag it up.
03:31Sarge?
03:32What?
03:33I found something in the kitchen.
03:34What you got?
03:39A camera card.
03:41I don't know.
03:43Mickey, can you bring in Mr. Brewer, please?
03:45Sarge.
03:48Let's go.
03:54Does this belong to you?
03:56I suppose, yeah.
03:57You suppose?
03:58You have seen it before, then?
04:00Yes, I've seen it.
04:01Right. What about the camera it goes in?
04:03I don't know. I think that was an old one.
04:05I don't know if I've still got it. It broke.
04:07Did you replace it?
04:08Yeah, about a year ago.
04:09Where is it now?
04:11I'm not sure.
04:13Maybe in the back bedroom. I don't think we've used it since we went to Tenerife.
04:16Can you show me, please?
04:17Yep.
04:18Okay.
04:32If you could just point out where you think it is.
04:34Sorry, I thought...
04:36It's just there at the back.
04:38Here?
04:43Listen, how long is this going to be?
04:45I've told you there's nothing here. It's just...
04:48It's some kind of mistake.
04:50Well, if it is, you've got nothing to worry about.
04:56Alright, then.
04:57We've nearly finished here. We'll be back soon.
05:00Nothing in here, Sarge.
05:01Okay, lock it up. We'll get him to the nick.
05:03Leon, get Mr. Brewer. We'll take him to the station.
05:05Mrs. Brewer's still at her neighbour's?
05:06Yeah, she decided not to go to work.
05:08What's she doing?
05:09She's an auxiliary nurse at St. Hugh's.
05:11They've been married six months. She's nearly 19.
05:14Okay, well, you'd better tell her she can come back then.
05:15Sir.
05:19Right, Mr. Brewer, we're taking you to the station.
05:21No, wait!
05:23Why are you taking him?
05:24Your husband is under arrest, Mrs. Brewer.
05:26He's going to be interviewed at the station.
05:27How long has he done?
05:28I'm sure he'll tell you in due course. Sally.
05:30Alright, come on. Let's go back in the house.
05:32What are you doing?
05:34Come on.
05:35There's nothing wrong!
05:41Okay, Mr. Brewer.
05:44This is an investigation into a number of indecent images of a child
05:47that were found on a laptop recovered from your house.
05:49How many images are you alleging?
05:51Altogether, 33.
05:52All on the computer?
05:53Yeah.
05:54And I'll show Mr. Brewer photograph exhibits JM9.
05:59Have you ever seen this picture before?
06:04No.
06:06And now photograph exhibit JM10.
06:11How about this one?
06:16No! I don't know anything about them. Nothing!
06:22Let's take this back to the beginning, shall we?
06:23Let's talk about the laptop DC Web and DC Master seized from your house.
06:29Look, I got it from a guy at the car boot sale in Canley Fields.
06:33I know I shouldn't have.
06:35Not if I thought it was that cheap, but sometimes you just do, don't you?
06:39If it's cheaper than you.
06:40When was that?
06:43I can't remember. Not exactly. June, July?
06:45But I haven't even used it that much, and if there's something on it...
06:48I mean, there was things on it when I got it. Software and stuff.
06:50So you think those photographs might have been on the computer when you bought it?
06:54I hadn't seen them.
06:55If I had, I'd have...
06:58I'd have deleted them, you know? I mean, I'm not...
07:00I wouldn't keep them. I'm not like that.
07:01Like what?
07:02A paedophile.
07:03But this folder was created on the 2nd of August this year.
07:08May I see that?
07:10Exhibit MC1.
07:14So how would you account for that?
07:15How would you account for the fact that those photos were placed in the folder after you bought the computer?
07:22I don't know.
07:24You must have made a mistake.
07:25No mistake.
07:31I don't know what you want me to say. I didn't do it.
07:33Well, let's think this through, shall we?
07:34Did anyone else have access to the laptop after it came into your possession?
07:38No.
07:40Well, just Sarah, but she wouldn't...
07:43I mean, she's not going to do something like that, is she?
07:47Anyone else?
07:50Did you take it to work? Lend it to anyone?
07:53No.
07:58No.
08:01No.
08:03So, it could only have been you who created that folder.
08:10Well?
08:14Listen, if there was someone else...
08:18I mean, that wouldn't mean they did it either.
08:20Yeah, they might not have, right?
08:22I don't know. We'd have to ask them to find out.
08:28There was someone.
08:31He borrowed the laptop.
08:34I don't know when. I can't remember.
08:35A bit after I got it, just for a few days.
08:37I hadn't had time to use it yet, so...
08:39Can you tell us his name?
08:41Listen, he wouldn't...
08:43He wouldn't have done that, okay? I know he wouldn't.
08:52His name is George. George Fielding.
08:54What's your relationship to Mr Fielding?
08:57He's a friend.
09:01I know you'll find out anyway. We were in prison together.
09:03When you did a three for burglary?
09:06That was a long time ago. Ten years.
09:08I'm going to suspend this interview pending further inquiries,
09:11and you'll be held here while these inquiries are made.
09:13Interview suspended.
09:159.13am.
09:17He put this guy Fielding in the frame?
09:19With some reluctance, yeah.
09:20You believe him?
09:21I wouldn't have. Not necessarily.
09:23But then I did a CRO and crement check.
09:25George Fielding's on the sex offenders register.
09:27Sent down in 97 for two separate sexual assaults.
09:29Both his victims were girls, aged 11 and 12.
09:32He met them after grooming them on the internet.
09:34Released on parole in 2006.
09:36He's under licence till 2011.
09:38Did Brewer mention that?
09:39No, he just said they were inside together.
09:41But Banksy's Fielding's PPE officer,
09:43so he should be able to fill us in.
09:46Banksy, you in the picture?
09:48Yes, Gov.
09:49So what about Fielding? Does he shape up for this?
09:51First impression, I wouldn't say he does.
09:53Really young girls are not his MO.
09:55Nothing to say his tastes haven't changed.
09:57It's not usual.
09:59And from everything I've seen of him,
10:00he is trying to turn over a new leaf.
10:02He asked to be rehoused six months ago
10:04when two teenage girls moved in
10:06near to his previous address on the Acre Estate.
10:08OK.
10:09Go and see Fielding.
10:10See what he's got to say about Brewer,
10:11but keep it low-key.
10:12If it sounds iffy, bring him in.
10:14Go.
10:25OK.
10:51So how you been keeping, George?
10:52Anything new you want to tell me since last time?
10:55Don't think so.
10:56Same as ever, you know.
10:58Tea?
10:59No, thanks, George.
11:03Everything still OK at Cantinelli's?
11:05Yes, it's all right.
11:07Dishes get used, I wash them.
11:11Still working evenings?
11:13I prefer it.
11:15Gives me an excuse to sleep in.
11:18What about the day before yesterday?
11:20Tuesday.
11:21Did you work then?
11:23Sure.
11:25Got up about ten,
11:26breakfast,
11:27read for a bit,
11:29went down for a paper,
11:30a few other things.
11:31Back here, say, twelve,
11:33lunch.
11:40Excuse me.
11:41Sorry.
11:50Oh, yes.
11:53After lunch, I took a bus to the library.
11:56Didn't stay long,
11:57because it was getting close to school time.
11:59Back here, work at five,
12:01there till about one,
12:02then home.
12:04OK?
12:05Yeah, fine.
12:07What can you tell me about a Paul Brewer?
12:10Paul.
12:12Dunno.
12:14What do you want to know?
12:15When was the last time you saw him?
12:17About two weeks ago.
12:21Oh.
12:24Yes, two weeks ago, last Sunday.
12:27Why?
12:29Has something happened?
12:32Come on, Mr. Banks, I don't mind the questions,
12:34I'd just rather they were straight out.
12:36An allegation's been made.
12:38It concerns a laptop computer.
12:44And he told you I'd borrowed it?
12:47Did you?
12:49Yes.
12:50Come on, George, you know you're not allowed to access computers.
12:53I know.
12:54What did you use it for?
12:57To go on the web.
13:00OK, in that case,
13:01I think we'd better take this down to the station, don't you?
13:12Morning.
13:13Hello, sweetheart.
13:15Everything all right?
13:16Sure.
13:18Everything's fine.
13:20Come on, George.
13:22See you later.
13:35So he's admitted it?
13:36Borrowing the laptop and going on the net?
13:38Yeah.
13:39No need to sound so happy about it.
13:41Oh, great.
13:42It'd just be nice if the re-offending statistics weren't always right.
13:45Well, if he's admitting it, at least we can keep it short.
13:47Jo, you want to take this interview with Banksy?
13:49Yep.
13:50Let me know when you've finished.
13:51Sure, right.
13:52Let's get him in.
13:58I know what you found, OK?
14:00The pictures.
14:03I downloaded them.
14:05How many?
14:07About 30.
14:10For the benefit of the tape,
14:12I'm now showing Mr Fielding exhibit JM9 and JM10.
14:18Are those two of the pictures?
14:22Yes.
14:28I meant to erase them,
14:30but Paul came round for the computer before I had the chance.
14:34Did Paul Brewer know those pictures were on his computer
14:37when you gave it back to him?
14:39No, of course not.
14:41OK, just so we're clear,
14:43you're admitting to using Paul Brewer's computer to go online
14:46and to download the indecent images that we've shown you.
14:50Is that correct?
14:54Yes.
15:01Then someone let work know for me that I'm not going to be in.
15:05I'll see what I can do when I talk to the people here.
15:07Thanks.
15:09Recharging, Sarge.
15:12You're doing so well, George.
15:14I know.
15:18Banksy.
15:23There's an Alison Palmer in the front office asking about Fielding.
15:26Says she's his neighbour.
15:27Did she say what it's about?
15:28No.
15:29OK. Can you...?
15:30Yeah.
15:36DOOR OPENS
15:38Mrs Palmer?
15:40I'm DC Jacob Banks.
15:42What can I do for you?
15:44It's about George.
15:47He's never said very much about himself.
15:52I mean, we have a chat across the fence most days,
15:55and usually people tell you where they've lived before,
15:58stuff about their families.
16:01But George's always been...
16:04I don't know, just like he didn't want to say.
16:08Look, I know the council have put people in the flats when they're on parole.
16:13I've seen you go round there before.
16:15George said you were his carer,
16:17that he'd been ill and you popped in to check on him.
16:21But when you took him away, I mean, it was obvious.
16:26I'm sorry, Mrs Palmer.
16:27I can't really discuss anything George might or might not have done.
16:30Look, all I want to know is whether this has something to do with kids.
16:35Have you any particular reason for asking that?
16:37Kim, my little girl, she's four.
16:40And you're concerned for her safety, is that it?
16:42Yeah. No, listen...
16:47I like George.
16:49He's a good neighbour.
16:51Quiet.
16:53I'm not saying... I don't want to say anything's wrong.
16:58I've noticed things, and if he has been in trouble...
17:02I just want to know what it was for.
17:04What kind of things have you noticed?
17:06Just that whenever Kim's with me, he's never quite as chatty as usual.
17:10He doesn't want to hang around.
17:11Has he ever been alone with Kim?
17:13No.
17:15Then I don't think you need to worry, Mrs Palmer.
17:17Well, what does that mean?
17:19Are you saying he isn't, you know?
17:21Or that I don't need to worry because he hasn't been alone with her?
17:24I'm sorry, as I've told you, I can't really comment.
17:35Thanks, Ian.
17:36Fielding's admitted to downloading the images off the Brewer's laptop, right?
17:39Yeah, he says it was a one-off.
17:40From the internet?
17:41Yeah.
17:42He's lying.
17:43Forensics say the pictures were transferred direct from the camera.
17:46You think he took the pictures himself?
17:48Well, he were an associate, then.
17:50The charges last time was for taking indecent images.
17:52There you go.
17:53Okay, I'll get him back into my desk.
17:55Good.
17:57You've fed us a load of rubbish, haven't you, George?
18:00The technical report on these images say they weren't downloaded.
18:04They were put on a laptop from a camera.
18:07No.
18:08They were on a website.
18:10Which one?
18:12I don't know.
18:14I can't remember.
18:16You're usually pretty hot on remembering things.
18:18How come you can't remember any of this?
18:21Who is this little girl, George?
18:24I don't know.
18:26I told you.
18:27Where did you meet her?
18:30Tell me the truth, George.
18:31Who is she?
18:33No comment.
18:38Was Fielding's flat searched when he was arrested?
18:40No.
18:41So he could have had a camera hidden away?
18:43Or borrowed one, like he did with the laptop?
18:45Brewer's got a camera.
18:46Fielding could have borrowed that.
18:48Did Fielding work with anyone else when he abused before?
18:50No, he was on his own.
18:52Right.
18:53Well, no matter how it happened, our priority is identifying this girl.
18:56And whether it's Fielding or somebody else who's done it,
18:58it's looking like she's local.
19:00Mickey, is there anything in those pictures that we can identify?
19:02A garden, a few trees.
19:04Could be anywhere.
19:05There's a couple of less explicit ones with more background.
19:07There's a bit of street traffic as well.
19:09All right, we'll keep on it, yeah?
19:11Joe and Banks, you take Fielding's back to his flat.
19:13Give it a proper spin.
19:16Stay with PCs Gail and Taylor, George.
19:22Hello.
19:23Can I have a word?
19:25I'll go.
19:30What's going on there?
19:31We're just making inquiries.
19:33I'm DC Banks, I'm Hill. Your name is?
19:35Karl Palmer.
19:37Listen, Ali said you wouldn't give her a straight answer when she went to your nick.
19:41She thinks George is messing around with kids.
19:44Is that right?
19:45Because if it is...
19:46If I were you, I wouldn't go jumping to conclusions, Mr Palmer.
19:49So it is.
19:51I can't explain to Mrs Palmer, I can't discuss it.
19:54If he's a paedo, we've got a right to know.
20:14Anything?
20:15No.
20:23Nicky, how you getting on?
20:25There's a delivery van in one of these photos I'm trying to track.
20:28Hello?
20:29Yeah, hang on a second.
20:31On the back door there's a number, three digits.
20:33It's 352.
20:35Can you trace it from that?
20:38OK, so where would it have been on August 2nd this year?
20:42Well, can you check for me?
20:45All day?
20:47No, no, no, that's brilliant. Thanks a lot. Cheers, bye.
20:50OK, that van was on World Bank Road when these photos were taken.
21:06Georgie! Georgie!
21:08Georgie!
21:16Give this back to him. Tell him I don't want her to have anything that he's had.
21:20I don't think you need to...
21:21Just take it away.
21:23Georgie!
21:36OK, well thanks for your help anyway.
21:37That's OK.
21:42The lady up there, Sarge, says that she lives there, number 41.
21:46Apparently her name's Lucy.
21:48Right, let's go.
21:53DOORBELL RINGS
21:58Hi.
21:59I'm DS Carter from Sunhill Police Station. This is DC Webb.
22:02I understand a little girl named Lucy lives here.
22:04Yes, my daughter's called Lucy. She's inside with my wife.
22:07And you are?
22:09Kevin. Kevin Geary.
22:10Do you think we could come inside, please, Mr Geary?
22:13What's this about?
22:14It's a delicate matter, sir. It would be better if we spoke inside.
22:19OK.
22:20Thanks very much.
22:23DOOR CLOSES
22:24Please come in.
22:26I'll just have a word with my wife.
22:27Of course, yeah.
22:48Mickey.
22:53There she is.
22:57Guess it's close.
23:00Do you want to come outside?
23:01Thank you.
23:07What's this about Lucy?
23:09We're investigating a matter involving what we believe are photographs of your daughter
23:13that we found in possession of another man.
23:15I'll just take her in.
23:16Is this a photograph of your daughter?
23:18Yes.
23:19Do you know who took that picture?
23:20No, I've no idea. I didn't take it.
23:23Mum, did you?
23:24No, I've never seen it.
23:26Listen, what's going on?
23:27Where did you get these from?
23:28According to the date on those photos, they were taken on August 2nd this year.
23:31So, do you remember what you were doing, where Lucy was on that day?
23:35August.
23:37The second was Kerry's wedding.
23:39We were there.
23:40It was a bit of a surprise.
23:41It was a bit of a surprise.
23:43The second was Kerry's wedding.
23:45We were there.
23:46She's a friend of mine from college.
23:48Was Lucy with you?
23:49No.
23:50We only went for the reception in the afternoon.
23:52Kevin's sister said she'd come and look after her.
23:55Yeah, but she didn't end up doing it, did she?
23:56She had to work, so it was just Paul.
24:00What's your sister-in-law's name, please, Mrs Geary?
24:02Sarah.
24:04Sarah Brewer.
24:05Married to Paul Brewer?
24:07Yes.
24:09What exactly are you trying to say?
24:12Hmm?
24:13Why shouldn't Paul be taking pictures of Lucy?
24:19Oh, God.
24:29What's he done to her?
24:31As far as we know, he hasn't touched your daughter.
24:34But there are other images.
24:36Where is he?
24:39I'll kill him.
24:41Where is he?!
24:47She's his niece.
24:49Raises the question whether Fielding had a part in it.
24:52For my money, he's got to be involved.
24:54He's admitted too much not to be.
24:56Brewer's our prime suspect now, but that doesn't necessarily rule Fielding out.
24:59Yeah.
25:00Brewer could have asked him alone.
25:03Yeah.
25:04Brewer could have asked him alone when he knew he was going to be on his own at the house with his niece.
25:07Except four-year-olds aren't George's MO.
25:11Well, Lucy will know, one way or the other.
25:14Yeah, I agree with Joe.
25:16I know we need to be sensitive, but the girl's our best chance of knowing what really happened.
25:19Yeah.
25:20Joe, I want you to take this.
25:22See what she can tell us.
25:23And keep it general.
25:24Sure.
25:25Banksy, confront Fielding with what we know, see what he says, and you do the same with Brewer.
25:28God, God.
25:30Tread carefully.
25:31Yep.
25:35Lucy, do you remember a day when your Uncle Paul came to look after you?
25:40No?
25:42At your house?
25:44No?
25:45It was very hot and it was very sunny and you were playing in the garden.
25:50Your Mummy and Daddy weren't there, though.
25:53Where were they?
25:54They went to a wedding.
25:56Do you remember that?
25:58OK, what about having your photograph taken?
26:03Bet you like that, don't you?
26:05Looking all pretty, yeah?
26:07Has Uncle Paul ever taken your photograph?
26:10In the garden, maybe?
26:12Yes, Mummy, I want to show her.
26:14Oh, well, she's just outside.
26:16You can show her in a minute.
26:17You're being ever such a good girl.
26:18Can I play a little toy?
26:20A little toy.
26:21You can show her in a minute, OK?
26:23What about the games that you've played with Uncle Paul?
26:25Do you remember those?
26:27No.
26:34You've lied to us, haven't you, Paul?
26:37No.
26:38I haven't done anything.
26:40Yeah?
26:41Well, one of the things you haven't done is tell us who the little girl in the photograph is.
26:47Her name's Lucy Geary.
26:50Isn't it?
26:51Isn't it?
26:54Kevin and Monica are in the station right now,
26:56and I tell you, at this moment, Kevin is ready to tear your head off.
27:02I can't say I blame him, either.
27:03Sergeant, I think that's close to being a threat.
27:06No, no, no, no, no.
27:08No threat.
27:09I'm just trying to get across to your client, Mr Brewer here, the seriousness of what he has done.
27:15How could you do that?
27:17How could you do that to a little girl?
27:19Your own niece.
27:20I didn't.
27:21I didn't.
27:22You didn't.
27:25So tell me who did, go on.
27:28It was George.
27:31I used his camera when he went to the shop for some more beers.
27:36What did you use it for?
27:38You know.
27:40You took Lucy's clothes off and took pictures.
27:44I told her it was a game.
27:46I told her it was a game.
27:50What did you do to her? Did you touch her?
27:52No.
27:54I just took pictures.
27:56Did you ask her to touch you?
27:59No.
28:02Look, I know I should have told you, I know.
28:04But when you showed me the pictures, I was scared.
28:06I was scared you'd think it was me.
28:08But it wasn't.
28:11Sarah had to work, so I thought,
28:13it was Saturday, if I asked George, we could have a few beers and watch the footy.
28:16Watch the footy?
28:19You invite a convicted paedophile to where you are babysitting a four-year-old girl,
28:23and you sit there, and you seriously expect me to believe that you'd do that
28:27so that you could have a few beers and watch the footy?
28:29That's what happened.
28:34I don't believe you.
28:36You knew George was a convicted paedophile, simple as that.
28:38George isn't...
28:40I...
28:42I thought he'd changed.
28:44Anyway, I was there, nothing was going to happen.
28:46But it did happen.
28:47No, I don't know, yes, it must have done, but I didn't know.
28:55I fell asleep.
28:58I was hot, I had a couple of beers, next thing I knew, I'd been asleep for an hour.
29:03So why didn't you tell us all this straight away,
29:05as soon as you saw that as far as the grasp of Lucy?
29:08I wanted to.
29:11I mean, I knew what must have happened.
29:15But how could I explain to Sarah that I'd let that happen?
29:20What was I going to say to Monica and Kev?
29:23I was going to tell George never to come near Lucy again,
29:26never to come round me again.
29:29What he did was disgusting.
29:32It was evil.
29:35I never planned it.
29:37It just happened.
29:39Why now?
29:41You've been out for over a year, you seem to be doing all right.
29:45I couldn't help myself.
29:47She was there.
29:56OK.
29:58Interview suspended at 14.25.
30:0114.25.
30:08Lucy can't remember anything specific.
30:11Well, to her, six weeks is a long time ago.
30:13She doesn't seem traumatised. I don't think he's touched her.
30:15So Fielding has admitted it, and Brewer's sticking to the not knowing anything about it.
30:19Yeah, but their stories don't match.
30:20Brewer said he was asleep and George took the pictures, and George said he'd gone to the shops.
30:25So they're in it together?
30:27Well, maybe it was just Brewer.
30:28Would George really risk leaving those images on the laptop?
30:31But why would Fielding say it was him? Why take the phone?
30:33I don't know.
30:36Well, I'm not sure I believe Brewer either, but if we can't shake him and Fielding has admitted it,
30:40I'll speak to the CPS, but my guess is they'll go with Fielding on his own.
30:44OK.
30:52You believe that Fielding's innocent, don't you?
30:55Sounds crazy, doesn't it?
30:57Unlikely, yeah.
30:59But not impossible.
31:10I understand how difficult this must be for both of you.
31:13You have my word, we're going to pursue this as hard as we can.
31:17And I'll keep you posted if there are any developments.
31:20OK, good.
31:26Kev.
31:28Kev.
31:29Kev, please.
31:31How could you?
31:33How could you let that scum come near us? She's your niece!
31:35Let's go, let's go, let's go.
31:37You're all right, Sarah.
31:39You're all right, love.
31:41This isn't about Stephen, is it?
31:44No.
31:46Paul's done something to Lucy, hasn't he?
31:50We're not sure yet, Sarah, but it's a possibility, yeah.
31:56How long have you known Paul?
31:58Since I was 12.
32:01I mean, him and Darren were always hanging around the house.
32:05Who's Darren?
32:07Darren's my brother.
32:09It's Darren, Kevin and then me.
32:12And did you go out with Paul for a long time before you got married?
32:17Since I was 16.
32:19I mean, my dad said I should wait till I finished education, but...
32:24he got engaged after six months.
32:27Did that go down?
32:29Mum... Mum was all right.
32:32Dad thought I was too young.
32:35And, um...
32:38said he wasn't strong to the wedding.
32:41Well, that must have been really hard for you.
32:44What about Paul's friends? Do you know any of them?
32:48George Fielding?
32:50I know George.
32:52And, um, how much do you know about George?
32:56I mean, I know that when Paul were in prison together...
33:02Paul got in a bit of trouble when he was younger.
33:05And, um, they were both in for stealing.
33:09George just looked after him, made sure it didn't go down the same route.
33:13I mean, he comes over for drinks.
33:16Or he comes over for Sunday roasts.
33:23Paul does the cooking.
33:27Paul does the cooking, though.
33:30Rubbish at cooking.
33:47What?
33:49Still can't let it go.
33:51No.
33:53Well, that's a pity, because it's bugging me now, too.
33:55I mean, I'm not saying that I think Fielding is definitely innocent, but Brewer...
33:59something not quite right there.
34:01But the CPS have decided to go for Fielding.
34:05Forensics recovered 15 deleted images from Brewer's camera.
34:08I don't think there's anything significant, personally.
34:10Just looks like ordinary snaps.
34:12Any children?
34:14There's one of a young girl. Nothing dodgy, though.
34:16They were taken a couple of weeks after.
34:20What's the date for this picture?
34:2227th of August.
34:25What is that, you know her?
34:28There's Fielding's next door neighbour.
34:31Sorry, mate. Looks like that's the last now in his coffin, then.
34:38Gov, before you go down to the CPS, can I get an hour to check on something?
34:42What?
34:44It's to do with Fielding.
34:46Right.
35:16DOOR OPENS
35:46DOOR CLOSES
36:14Is he coming back?
36:16I don't think so.
36:47DOOR OPENS
36:50I think Fielding's covering for Brewer, Gov.
36:53What about the photo of his neighbour's kid?
36:55I don't think he took it.
36:57Everything I know about him, everything that Alison says, he cares about, Kim.
37:00This, this is just an innocent gift.
37:03So why confess?
37:05Why put himself through all this again?
37:07I don't think he values his own life.
37:09I think he's always worried about the truth coming out.
37:11The brick through the window.
37:13His bags are always packed.
37:14I don't think he cares whether he's in prison or not.
37:17But I don't think he's a danger to society.
37:20But you do think Brewer is?
37:25You've got 20 minutes.
37:30Tell me something, George.
37:32When you were Nick last time, you went for a brief straightaway.
37:35This time, why not?
37:37Because I did it.
37:38You did it last time as well, but you denied it all the way through.
37:41Maybe I know better now.
37:42Know what I am.
37:44I'm just trying to figure you out, George.
37:46Doesn't make any sense to me.
37:48I don't understand why you'd do something like this.
37:51I don't wish to be rude, Mr. Banks, but you've read my file.
37:54I'm a predatory paedophile.
37:56A serious and ongoing danger to the public.
37:59That was then, though, wasn't it?
38:01You're telling me nothing's changed?
38:07Alison wanted me to give you this.
38:09What the court says doesn't make that much difference, does it, George?
38:1310, 15 years.
38:15It's really life, isn't it?
38:18You give a little girl a present, and if no one knows what you are,
38:21it's a nice thing to do, just a present.
38:24As soon as they know you're a paedophile,
38:26it becomes something dirty.
38:29You must have been trying to get her to do something, George.
38:32No.
38:33Look, what's this about?
38:35What are you getting at here?
38:38Just so we know,
38:43did you take this photo as well?
38:46It was on Paul Brewer's camera,
38:48taken a few weeks after the ones of Lucy.
38:51That's Kim, isn't it?
38:53Looks like it's taken from your flat.
38:57I don't know what you're talking about, George.
38:59Looks like it's taken from your flat.
39:06You haven't seen this before, have you, George?
39:13It's your choice now, George.
39:15You can make up some story
39:17how you borrowed the camera and took that photo as well,
39:19or you can tell me the truth.
39:22Tell me about that photo, George.
39:24Did you take it?
39:26Did you?
39:27No.
39:29So who else is inside your flat?
39:31Paul.
39:33You lied to protect him all the way through, haven't you?
39:37He told me.
39:40He swore it was a mistake.
39:44He said he didn't know why he did it.
39:47He just did.
39:49He said Lucy was in the paddling pool with her clothes on
39:53when he came to change her.
39:55Was it just photographs?
39:57He said so.
39:59Then when you found the computer,
40:01he knew that you might find the images.
40:06He cried when he told me.
40:09He said he didn't know what to do.
40:12He said he wanted help.
40:15So you agree to take the blame?
40:19Why?
40:21You said it.
40:23I'm already doing life, aren't I?
40:26Inside or out.
40:28So what's the difference?
40:31I thought Paul had a chance to stop
40:34before someone put a label on him.
40:36Killed the rest of his life.
40:38But it wasn't up to you, though, George, was it?
40:40I know what it's like.
40:44I've been through everything he'd have gone through.
40:48Prison isn't a cure.
40:50It doesn't even try to change you.
40:52You've got to do it from in here.
40:57Like you?
40:59I wanted to be moved from the Acoum Estate
41:02because I knew,
41:04I knew it was still inside me.
41:08What I do is,
41:10I stop myself.
41:14I thought he could, too.
41:16But these were taken after he promised.
41:18Did you take the pictures of Lucy Geary?
41:22So where were you on the afternoon of August 2nd this year?
41:28The shops.
41:30Mobley Street.
41:32The library.
41:35Then home.
41:37Can you prove that?
41:39Yes.
41:42I'll have kept the receipts.
41:45I'll have kept the receipts.
41:58You didn't tell George the whole story, did you, Paul?
42:06Mr Paul Brewer,
42:08you were charged on the 2nd of August 2009
42:11at 41 World Bank Road, Canley.
42:13You took indecent photographs of a child.
42:16You do not have to say anything.
42:18It may arm your defence if you do not mention now
42:20something which you later will hardly call.
42:22On the question of your bail,
42:24I've decided that you're going to remain in custody
42:26for your own protection,
42:28to appear in court firstly tomorrow morning.
42:51I'm sorry.
43:21I'm sorry.
43:41If you want to stop off at the flat,
43:43the officers will make sure nothing happens.
43:46There's a few things.
43:48Not much.
43:49I don't want you to fail, OK?
43:51I'm just saying.
43:53Yes, I know.
43:55Another fresh start.
44:20Kicking a door down and arresting a bad guy.
44:22What's not to like?
44:24And what have you done with the drugs?
44:26I flushed them down the bowl.
44:28You expect us to believe you've flushed away
44:3040 grams worth of drugs?
44:32We use Fran.
44:33Oh no, Sarge.
44:35If he finds out that I helped, I would never be safe ever.
44:37Possession with intent, you'll go inside.
44:39You are a piece of work, do you know that?
44:41I'm doing you a favour.
44:43We could have handled that better, don't you think?
44:45Which part?
44:49I don't know.
45:20Where is it now?
45:22I'm not sure.
45:24Maybe in the back bedroom.
45:26I don't think we've used it since we went to Tenerife.
45:28Can you show me, please?
45:30Yep, OK.
45:43If you could just point out where you think it is.
45:45Sorry, I thought...
45:47It's just there at the back.
45:49OK.
45:54Listen, how long is this going to be?
45:56I've told you there's nothing here.
45:58It's just...
46:00It's some kind of mistake.
46:02Well, if it is, you've got nothing to worry about.
46:07All right, then.
46:09We've nearly finished here.
46:11We'll be back soon.
46:13Nothing in here, Sarge.
46:15OK, lock it up, we'll get him to the nick.
46:17Leon, get Mr Brewer, we'll take him to the station.
46:19What's she doing?
46:21She's an auxiliary nurse at St Hugh's.
46:23They've been married six months, she's nearly 19.
46:25OK, well, you better tell her she can come back then.
46:27Sarge.
46:29Pop! Pop!
46:31Right, Mr Brewer, we're taking you to the station.
46:33Wait! Pop!
46:35Why are you taking him?
46:37Your husband is under arrest, Mrs Brewer.
46:39He's going to be interviewed at the station.
46:41I'm sure he'll tell you in due course, Sally.
46:43All right, come on, let's get back in the house.
46:45What are you doing?
46:47Come on.
46:50Pop!
46:53OK, Mr Brewer.
46:55This is an investigation into a number of indecent images of a child
46:58that were found on a laptop recovered from your house.
47:01How many images are you alleging?
47:03Altogether, 33.
47:05All on the computer?
47:07Yeah.
47:09And now show Mr Brewer photograph exhibit JM9.
47:11Have you ever seen this picture before?
47:15No.
47:17And now photograph exhibit JM10.
47:22How about this one?
47:24There.
47:26Yeah, they might not have, right?
47:28I don't know. We'd have to ask them to find out.
47:33There was someone.
47:37He borrowed the laptop.
47:40I don't know when, I can't remember.
47:42A bit after I got it, just for a few days.
47:44I hadn't had time to use it yet, so...
47:46Can you tell us his name?
47:48Listen, he wouldn't...
47:50He wouldn't have done that, OK? I know he wouldn't.
47:59His name is George, George Fielding.
48:01What's your relationship to Mr Fielding?
48:04He's a friend.
48:08I know you'll find out anyway. We were in prison together.
48:11When you did a three for burglary?
48:13That was a long time ago, ten years.
48:14I'm going to suspend this interview pending further inquiries,
48:17and you'll be held here while these inquiries are made.
48:19Interview suspended.
48:219.13am.
48:23He put this guy Fielding in the frame?
48:25With some reluctance, yeah.
48:27You believe him?
48:29I wouldn't have, not necessarily.
48:31But then I did a CRO increment check.
48:33George Fielding's on the sex offenders register.
48:35Sent down in 97 for two separate sexual assaults.
48:37Both his victims were girls, aged 11 and 12.
48:39He met them after grooming them on the internet.
48:41Released on parole in 2006.
48:42He's under licence till 2011.
48:44Did Brewer mention that?
48:46No, he just said they were inside together.
48:48But Banksy's Fielding's PPE officer,
48:50so he should be able to fillet him.
48:52Banksy, you in the picture?
48:54Yes, Gov.
48:56So what about Fielding, does he shape up for this?
48:58First impression, I wouldn't say he does.
49:00Really young girls are not his MO.
49:02Nothing to say his tastes haven't changed?
49:04It's not usual.
49:06And from everything I've seen of him,
49:08he is trying to turn over a new leaf.
49:10He asked to be rehoused six months ago
49:12from his previous address on the Acre Estate.
49:14OK, go and see Fielding,
49:16see what he's got to say about Brewer,
49:18but keep it low key.
49:20If it sounds iffy, bring him in.
49:22Go.
49:30Brewer, if there's someone you can go to
49:32till we've finished, you can do that.
49:34Go over to Dave and Linda's, it's just around the corner.
49:36Can she get dressed?
49:38Sure.
49:40It'll be alright.
49:43OK.
49:45Is there anything you want to tell us?
49:47Anything you think we should see?
49:49No, I don't know what this is about.
49:51I haven't...
49:53I don't know anything about pictures.
49:55You said on the laptop.
49:57That's right.
49:59Look, I shouldn't have brought it.
50:01It's not how you brought it, it's what you used it for.
50:03So I want you to sit down over there
50:05while we have a look round, OK?
50:07What time are you going to be finished here?
50:09I need to be at work, babe.
50:11If you want to go to work, that's fine.
50:13It's going to take us a while here,
50:15then we'll have to interview Paul, so...
50:17I don't know what you're looking for.
50:19I'm sure your husband will explain it all.
50:21If you leave your contact details at PCM,
50:23strong words, you know what time we're finished here, OK?
50:25Right.
50:27Sam.
50:29How old do you reckon she is?
50:3118, 19.
50:33See if you can find out how long they've been together.
50:34Casual, OK?
50:36Right.
50:42Nicky.
50:44Can you bag these?
50:46Yeah, anything home-recorded, bag it up.
50:56Sarge?
50:58What?
51:00I found something in the kitchen.
51:02What you got?
51:04A camera card.
51:06I don't know.
51:08Nicky, can you bring me Mr Brewer, please?
51:11Sarge.
51:13Let's go.
51:19Does this belong to you?
51:21I suppose, yeah.
51:23You suppose?
51:25You have seen it before, then?
51:27Yes, I've seen it.
51:29Right, what about the camera it goes in?
51:31I don't know if I've still got it, it broke.
51:33It broke, OK. Did you replace it?
51:35Yeah, but you're a good...
51:39Morning, everyone.
51:41OK, our suspect is Paul Michael Brewer,
51:45currently on bail on suspicion of handling stolen goods,
51:47namely a laptop computer.
51:49At the time, he admitted buying it from a car boot sale,
51:52didn't know it was nicked, blah, blah.
51:54When it was examined, we found 33 indecent images
51:56of a four- or five-year-old girl.
51:58So this search is looking for anything related to him.
51:59That's DVDs, cameras, memory sticks,
52:02and any printed material.
52:04Remember, until we know who's responsible for these images,
52:06we don't want to start stinging mud around,
52:08just keep everything nice and quiet.
52:10Right, let's go.
52:30Police!
52:32Police!
52:59He looks like a bank.
53:01Let's go.
53:10What's the matter?
53:11Paul Brewer?
53:12Yes?
53:13I'm DS Carter from Sunhill, you know these few masters on web?
53:15Yeah, like I told them before...
53:16This isn't about stolen goods, mate.
53:17Paul Brewer, I'm arresting you for possession
53:19of indecent images of a child.
53:21You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence
53:23if you do not mention when questioned
53:25something which you later rely on in court.
53:27Anything you do say may be given in evidence.
53:29I don't know what you're talking about. What images?
53:31What images?
53:32Sally.
53:33It's about that laptop.
53:34They want to do another search.
53:35Is there anyone else in the house?
53:36No.
53:37Look, just a minute please.
53:38Mrs Brewer, we're going to search the house
53:39in your husband's presence.
53:40You can stay if you want to.
53:42No, I don't know anything about them, nothing.
53:47Let's take this back to the beginning, shall we?
53:49Let's talk about the laptop
53:51DC Web and DC Masters seized from your house.
53:54Look, I got it from a guy
53:56at the car boot sale in Canley Fields.
53:59I know I shouldn't have.
54:01Not if I thought it was that cheap,
54:03but sometimes you just do, don't you?
54:05If it's cheaper than you.
54:06When was that?
54:08I can't remember.
54:09Not exactly.
54:10June, July?
54:11But I haven't even used it that much
54:12and if there's something on it...
54:14I mean, there was things on it
54:15when I got it, software and stuff.
54:16So you think those photographs
54:17might have been on the computer
54:18when you bought it?
54:20I hadn't seen them.
54:21If I had, I'd have...
54:23I'd have deleted them, you know?
54:24I mean, I'm not...
54:26I wouldn't keep them.
54:27I'm not like that.
54:28Like what?
54:29A paedophile.
54:30This folder was created
54:31on the 2nd of August this year.
54:34May I see that?
54:36Exhibit MC1.
54:40So how would you account for that?
54:41How would you account for the fact
54:42that those photos were placed in the folder
54:44after you bought the computer?
54:48I don't know.
54:50You must have made a mistake.
54:51No mistake.
54:57I don't know what you want me to say.
54:58I didn't do it.
54:59Well, let's think this through, shall we?
55:00Did anyone else have access
55:01to the laptop
55:02after it came into your possession?
55:04No.
55:06Well, just Sarah,
55:07but she wouldn't...
55:09I mean, she's not going to do
55:10something like that, is she?
55:13Anyone else?
55:16Did you take it to work?
55:18Lend it to anyone?
55:19No.
55:24No.
55:29So...
55:31it could only have been you
55:32who created that folder.
55:36Well?
55:40Listen, if there was someone else...
55:44I mean, that wouldn't mean
55:45they did it either.