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00:00:00You
00:00:30They're asking for three seven suspects heading for the warehouse entrance
00:01:00All right, I'm arresting you on suspicion of robbery you do not to say anything, but it may
00:01:30Oh
00:01:50It's a woman what good news is there's maggots and all sorts. Yeah, I can see thanks Eddie
00:01:56Advanced decomposition so she's been here a fair while and not necessarily all that suggests that she's been dead for a fair while, right?
00:02:06Right, I am not feeling too good. Yeah, you would have lost your lunch to Eddie mate. You know, I mean
00:02:12I'm covered
00:02:15Dead person
00:02:17Yes, you are but your uniform is now evidence so bag it it's still back to the neck and cleaned up
00:02:23All right, I'm not supposed to go back
00:02:25Don't look at me. I've just had the RV clean. Can you go you go? It's not getting in my car
00:02:31What am I supposed to do get a bus?
00:02:32Right, see if there's any CCTV cameras and find out around him Eddie
00:02:36Let's get some of your people to go through the bin bags
00:02:38If we can date of whatever's underneath is gonna give us a cut off point for when she was dumped. I reckon
00:02:44So we've got five female miss per candidates all aged between 15 to 30 black or mixed-race similar build
00:02:51You've got an Ashley Simmons up there
00:02:53Yeah, yeah, we've got a match on a print from a juvenile caution four years ago
00:03:00How old was she 17
00:03:05Okay
00:03:06Eddie
00:03:08Well, the pathologist estimates the time of death about two weeks ago. How long do we think she'd been at the warehouse?
00:03:14The rubbish bags surrounding the victim both on top and beneath her contain newspapers dated from three days ago
00:03:20Right, so no more than 72 hours, that's good. This was not a well-hidden body. Whoever dumped her was panicking Smithy
00:03:26Can you get someone to check out the CCTV from that period, please? Grace? Let's get on to this girl's mobile records
00:03:31Teenage gunshot fatality is going to be gang-related or drugs probably both
00:03:35She was reported missing a week ago by Francis Baines who is
00:03:40Report doesn't state a relationship to Ashley, but her address is listed as Rowan house Wyatt Street Rowan house children's home
00:03:46Yeah, this girl's in care
00:03:51You
00:04:13Can I help you di Manson's is DS Carter from Sunhill looking for Francis Baines. Yes, that's me
00:04:20Okay
00:04:22It's about Ashley Simmons
00:04:26Oh, oh no, I'm sorry, so if yeah, okay
00:04:34Ashley moved out of here about
00:04:36Seven months ago. She got a flat
00:04:40So she was living independently. Oh, she could have stayed on for another year, but
00:04:44They're all so desperate for their freedom and then when they get it they don't know what to do with it
00:04:53I'm sorry. It's okay. I should have a job
00:04:59She was trained as a hairdresser
00:05:01studying at night school
00:05:03Had a part-time job at the local salon
00:05:06In the past she'd been arrested for theft
00:05:09She
00:05:11Stole cheap cosmetics from a chemist that was about four years ago. Yeah, I think she was mixed up in anything now
00:05:18Ashley, no, no drugs
00:05:20Didn't Roman any gangs
00:05:22No, I would have known if she was
00:05:27Can I see her
00:05:30I wouldn't advise
00:05:34Why is offensive give us a minute Kai why are you crying Kai?
00:05:39I
00:05:42It's us, isn't it
00:05:47She did
00:05:54I actually said man
00:05:57We talking about you had me you're not funny don't do this Kai
00:06:01What all that's why they hit it quiet. How are you gonna do Francis put me on the naughty step?
00:06:07You you let a finger on me and I'll have you for a soul
00:06:13He's upset I was upset okay doesn't do tears is it true
00:06:20I'm sorry Tyler
00:06:29Tyler's Ashley's brother
00:06:32Well, he probably could have been told in a better way yeah
00:06:36Christ who has a long way to go
00:06:39Ash was the oldest here
00:06:41Big sister to everybody really even though she didn't live anymore. I should still visit and some of the kids would see her on the outside
00:06:48Why did Francis report missing we thought she'd gone to Manchester for a few days. She has mates there and takes off every so often
00:06:56Then no one was getting texts or calls from her messages were being ignored. We thought something might be up
00:07:03Well, we're gonna need statements from everybody who lives here well not now I have eight children here and I need to explain to them
00:07:12Individually what's happened? It's important
00:07:15Right. Well, we'll start with the kids who already know
00:07:18We're gonna need Ashley's mobile number and any contacts for friends and family. She didn't have family as such just Tyler really
00:07:26us
00:07:28I'm sorry
00:07:29Maybe when you talk to the kids, yeah
00:07:36I know she doesn't think Ashley got herself caught up in anything. But what do you think?
00:07:42There's a lot of people out there who prey on kids like ash, so I won't rule it out
00:07:47Kion Tyler and Paige they were ashes little gang in here if anyone knows anything you'll be them
00:07:59You
00:08:17Give me the remote control
00:08:19What do you think's gonna happen page you think just ashes gonna pop through the TV screen and come join us on the sofa. Okay
00:08:26Don't speak to her like that
00:08:28Is that Ashley? Yes
00:08:32I want to watch TV Francis, huh?
00:08:36The police want to take statements from you all who wants to go first
00:08:40I'll do it
00:08:59Okay
00:09:02Last time you saw actually it was two weeks ago. She said she was going to Manchester. No
00:09:10But if she disappears off that's usually where she goes
00:09:13Never been outside the m25 myself was actually in trouble with anyone. She wasn't doing anything. She shouldn't have been
00:09:19Drugs anything like no
00:09:22That's was one of the good guys
00:09:24She didn't get into gangs. She didn't do drugs
00:09:28Tell me about it
00:09:30she was
00:09:32Good she likes to sleep with the light on
00:09:35right a
00:09:39Favorite film dream girls favorite singer Rihanna
00:09:44She loved my kiddies
00:09:47I'm
00:09:48Messing with girls there. No, look. I'm near you fresh was there. What was that?
00:09:53She might have been a girl but no one messed with her she didn't get into any rise
00:09:59She wasn't angry. She looked out for me
00:10:03If I looked out for everyone in the home
00:10:06Took a while for to let you in but when she decided you were a mate
00:10:11Should do anything for you
00:10:13Was there anyone special in her life? No
00:10:17No, she talked about anyways
00:10:19I
00:10:22Said he thought someone here would know what happened to her. Yeah, well Pat thinks we're all a bunch of scumbags anyway
00:10:27That's not fair. Why I thought
00:10:30So Ashley was shy but popular tough
00:10:34But not aggressive
00:10:37Yeah
00:10:39Yeah, that's about right
00:10:43Can't understand why anyone would have beef over
00:10:45A
00:10:48Terry some CCTV for a couple of nights about the red saloon car certainly the roads near the warehouse. You got the driver. Yeah
00:11:03Leave it out. I've done half a bottle of aftershave already. I don't smell like it's for me. There you go. Hey it John's
00:11:11Maybe on PNC. Yeah, he's got form for dealing class A's and was a suspect in a firearms offense six months ago. Thank you
00:11:26It's definitely the car from the CCTV, okay, let's give him a shout
00:11:31Yeah
00:11:38Yeah, yeah, they're John's who's that son it was CID we have a word what's it about it's about a murder we're investigating
00:11:49You can come voluntarily I'm not going anywhere or we can make you fine and we're taking your car
00:11:57All right, wait
00:11:59That worked
00:12:02Mr. Jones we have CCTV footage of your car
00:12:05Circling the derelict warehouse in Talbot Street two nights ago. No, we can show you the footage
00:12:11Might be my car baby. Where me driving it who else drives your car?
00:12:16Who doesn't?
00:12:17Robbers sisters cousins. Mr. Jackson three doors down with the sick wife. We all share
00:12:24So from one day to the next you have no idea who's driving your car
00:12:27Is that right? Everyone who wants to use it's gonna put petrol in it
00:12:30Chipping on running costs. All I know is that when I get it back the tanks empty
00:12:34And every time the bills arrive the streets empty and muggins is God deal with it. Do you know Ashley Simmons? I
00:12:40Know a lot of people. I'm not great on names. I usually get by on mate and darling, you know
00:12:45I mean, we think your car may have been used to move her body
00:12:48Let's just back up a sec. All right
00:12:50So if you weren't driving your car on the night in question, which one of your brothers sisters or cousins was do you think?
00:12:56I don't know. I told you it wasn't me
00:13:00Go ask my girlfriend. I was with her two nights ago
00:13:03Maxine Clements Elliot Jones, but definitely on something
00:13:08She'd want to be wouldn't she go out with someone like a John's
00:13:16So where they've arrived at your flat at 3 in the afternoon and stayed there till the next morning, yeah
00:13:22So what did you do during that time?
00:13:26What did you watch TV did you listen to music what did you do I
00:13:30Think we have music on what kind of music?
00:13:35Experimental jazz but a German folk. What was it? He was with me all night
00:13:39That's all I know neither you nor he left the flat during that period. No
00:13:45And you're willing to make a statement to that effect
00:13:57I
00:13:57Just run a check on her. She's been nicked twice for possession of car days, right?
00:14:02Elliot John thinks he's getting bail on the basis of that you think again Connie
00:14:06So have we got anything that links Elliot John's directly to Ashley?
00:14:09No, her only caution wasn't drug-related and borrow have no intelligence whatsoever linking it to any gang activity
00:14:15It doesn't mean a great deal just because she's not anyone's radar anything from the search of his car forensics are doing it now
00:14:21Ashley's flat. No, nothing out of the ordinary. I'm no sign of any drug use. She just seemed like a normal kid
00:14:27I've been through Ashley's mobile phone records. The last outgoing call was made two weeks ago today
00:14:33I've asked the service providers to find us location for that final call
00:14:37Well that ties in with when we think Ashley was shot
00:14:40Also, there was a lot of activity on that phone in the last couple of hours both incoming and outgoing
00:14:44And these two numbers keep cropping up not just in the last day, but across the last two months
00:14:49I'll bet their powers you go. I
00:14:52Think we should go down to that children's home get a kid to give us a mobile numbers
00:14:55Yeah, gosh, you'll have fun, right?
00:14:59You're having a laughing you're asking for your help no, that's not what they're doing
00:15:04They're just trying to keep tabs on us. And why is that a problem? It's a breach of our rights man. You're right
00:15:09Let me tell you something. I'm gonna be keeping tabs on you. Anyway, man
00:15:12All they're trying to do is find out who killed Ashley
00:15:16How's having our mobile numbers gonna help unless you think one of us killed her
00:15:20No, that's not what I'm saying, but then it don't make sense then does it?
00:15:25You can have my number
00:15:27No, I don't mind if they know where I am. At least if something bad happens to me. I'll be found
00:15:32What you mean bad and if it does I want to be found and buried properly not just dumped somewhere
00:15:39No one deserves to end up a pile of mush. I don't leave you
00:15:42Why are you gonna give them your number so they can know exactly you talk to?
00:15:47I don't understand. Why are you picking on me? We're not picking on you. We're interested in what you just said. I was just chatting
00:15:53We were talking about mobile phones and suddenly you moved the conversation to decomposing bodies your sister's decomposing body
00:16:00That's just chatting. Don't talk to him like that, please and you'll make the Lincoln citizen Smith
00:16:04What's the real reason he doesn't want you all to hand over your numbers?
00:16:09Do you know what happened to Ashley
00:16:11Because look Tyler you've just spent the afternoon watching videos of Ashley with Paige
00:16:17Oh, yeah, remembering how she used to be. Yeah, and now she's dead
00:16:21Don't worry. I'm old enough to realize that the world ain't gonna stop spinning and that the world doesn't really care we care
00:16:28Can I go now?
00:16:29So I need to tell my mom in a minute. No Francis. I need to tell her before somebody else does
00:16:34All right, let me go. Let me go Francis
00:16:36What's this about his mom you said he didn't have a family yeah, well I exaggerated but only just drink drugs domestic abuse any or all of the above
00:16:50Yes, the dad ran away when Ashley and Tyler were little and the mom went through a series of abusive relationships
00:16:58One of whom turned her onto heroin
00:17:00Then put her to work turning tricks for him in her flat at night
00:17:05While the kids were asleep in the next room except of course they weren't asleep. Yeah, that's her there
00:17:17She's still around
00:17:20Tyler's still very loyal to her
00:17:22That's what's Ashley
00:17:24But some people are beyond help. Yeah
00:17:28What's the name vaccine?
00:17:31Do you know what's in it? Well, it's different than the kids it's um Clements, I think
00:17:43Hey for Ashley
00:17:46You seen this before
00:17:48Yes
00:17:49Ashley's favorite
00:17:51She wore it all the time
00:18:00Oh
00:18:10That's all right, where's your mom she's gonna help
00:18:17You do this a lot then
00:18:20Mom's not so good at looking at yourself
00:18:23She's to help me with it
00:18:26Oh
00:18:27Well, actually, yeah, we need to talk to you a bit more Tyler
00:18:32But it's down like
00:18:35Tyler Simmons you're under arrest for attempting to pervert the course of justice
00:18:40Francis said that this was Ashley's favorite bit of jewelry and she was always wearing it
00:18:46It's okay Tyler just answer the question
00:18:49I
00:18:51Was making money now
00:18:53working in the addresses
00:18:56She bought herself some new bling. She wasn't wearing anything around her neck when we found her body
00:19:00So maybe she was mugged. Maybe that's how she ended up dead. I think whoever killed her took her blood
00:19:05Don't put words in my mouth
00:19:08My sister gave me that
00:19:10as a present
00:19:12We've got Ashley's mobile phone records. You were the last person to speak to her. What did you talk about?
00:19:19I can't remember just stuff
00:19:25Well, don't you chat to your family your mates just about stuff
00:19:29Yeah, of course I do but
00:19:31If it was the last conversation I ever had with them, I think I'd remember something about it. Well good for you. I
00:19:37Didn't get your start in life Tyler
00:19:41It's alright
00:19:44What did you talk about
00:19:46We used to talk on the phone a lot
00:19:49Nothing sticks out
00:19:54Elliot Johns
00:19:57Hey your mother's boyfriend
00:19:59Big deal mom has a lot of boyfriends
00:20:02Don't expect me to keep tabs on them audio for the benefit of the tape. I'm showing Tyler a photograph of Elliot Johns
00:20:08I
00:20:13Think it's Tyler
00:20:14Elliot's car was seen near the warehouse the night that Ashley's body was dumped there
00:20:19So aren't you banging a confession out this Elliot geezer?
00:20:23Instead of hassling me I can buy that his sister gifted him the chain
00:20:26I can buy that he talked such rubbish with Ashley in their last phone conversation that he can't remember the details
00:20:30But the Elliot Johns thing we know is in his mom's flat every week that he keeps a close eye on her
00:20:35Yeah, he must have known she was saying so what's he hiding?
00:20:37Okay, boss Ashley's mobile service providers come back with that last request the final call she received at her mobile
00:20:44It's been locked down to two buildings on a Jasmine Allen estate one is Bevan house
00:20:47The other one is Groveland house Bevan house is one Maxine Clements lives. Let's go
00:21:05Okay
00:21:10I'm gonna start a door-to-door
00:21:12So anyone with information on Elliot Johns anyone who knows anything about Ashley Simmons and anyone with interesting stories to tell about Maxine Clements
00:21:20All right, Eddie with us
00:21:25Miss Clements
00:21:27Why didn't you tell me my daughter was dead very sorry
00:21:30But we didn't know she was you my son had to come here and tell me why are you here?
00:21:34Why are you out looking for Ashley's killer? His phone was last located in this area. We suspect that she died here on this day
00:21:40No, no, right right here in your flat
00:21:44Serious very serious, and we've got some questions for you, and we're gonna search your flat. Okay, this is right. I'm Ashley's mother
00:21:50Why are you picking on me Maxine Clements?
00:21:58You go me
00:22:00Oh
00:22:28She's not
00:22:30Rings three one two three you count them
00:22:35Listen you need to come down from whatever planet you're on before anyone talks to you my dear. Oh, yeah, all right
00:22:39Where's my methadone I get free methadone tonight
00:22:56Listen we've got a doctor coming to see us a calm down
00:23:01Nothing concrete yeah
00:23:04But our max seems certainly isn't the most popular girl around town. He's unfriendly usually in a daze and mouthy between eyes. Oh
00:23:12Yeah, and you don't want to stand down wind of her on a hot day
00:23:16Great God look at this
00:23:19Heroin only enough to keep the whole estate off its head for a few weeks. That's possession for sure and probably intent to supply
00:23:26Oh
00:23:27Thanks, this is Samantha boy
00:23:29She's Maxine's neighbor
00:23:30Can you repeat what you told me to my colleague a couple of weeks ago the boyfriend came round?
00:23:35The pair of them having a right Barney
00:23:36I mean I'm used to hearing that but this was different door slamming things breaking and then it all went quiet
00:23:42Then a while later like bang big bang like a gunshot
00:23:49Did you report it?
00:23:50Knocked on the door Maxine answers want her or nothing said she'd knocked over a cabinet trying to move it I
00:23:58Didn't think anything of it
00:24:00You get used to it living next to people like her okay. Thank you Samantha. You've been very helpful
00:24:04I need you to give a statement to PC Ryder here, okay, okay?
00:24:16Remember those ads we used to get in comics over kids for x-ray specs
00:24:20Apparently they can see through women's dresses. I think that's what got me into forensics in the unseeable. I'm speaking of which
00:24:27Tada
00:24:29Good yeah
00:24:31Right is your primary crime scene gentlemen main blood group is here round about chest height
00:24:38There's no bullet to be found and we can find one in the body either
00:24:43No, I reckon
00:24:45Ashley came through here bang she gets shot right here
00:24:50There's not much blood on the door
00:24:53Which suggests it was open the bullet passes through
00:24:58Disappears off into the outdoors
00:25:01Ashley
00:25:02Clutches a chest goes down
00:25:05These handprints are probably hers where she tried to support herself
00:25:09This might live for another minute or two
00:25:12But not long
00:25:15I
00:25:17Actually was shot in Maxine's flat
00:25:20Question is why I said it
00:25:23I'd say she was there to see Elliot John's that was Eddie Ashley's hair and fibers been found all over the boot of his car
00:25:28Whatever they were up to together came to a head
00:25:31Geese is a convicted drug dealer with form for firearms possession
00:25:34We still can't place him at the primary or the secondary crime scene we can't even prove he was in his own car
00:25:39Look boss everyone we've spoken to that knew Ashley says the same thing. It just wasn't her style
00:25:45Why would she be involved with someone like Elliot John's?
00:25:48It just doesn't make sense not while Maxine's still giving John's an alibi for the night. The body was dumped
00:25:53Okay, so we talked to her again. How's she doing?
00:25:56FME's treated her she's calmed down a bit apparently right it's her flat her daughter was shot there
00:26:01We hit her with that see where we go
00:26:04According to Ashley's mobile phone records the last calls that she ever made and received
00:26:09were in the vicinity of your flat
00:26:11Two weeks ago. I don't remember. It was the night you had a big row with Elliot John's
00:26:16You'll have to narrow it down a bit more than that
00:26:18We have a witness who heard something like a gunshot coming from your flat that night. I haven't got a gun
00:26:23Must have been the telly you told the neighbor you knock some furniture over. Yeah, well that happens, too
00:26:30I'm sure I miss Clements exhibit e04 now. This is in your flat and
00:26:35This is what's left of major blood splattering that someone tried to clean down
00:26:39Well, I've had known that I'd never taken the place
00:26:42Council flats a
00:26:44Never know live there before you this amount of blood. That's not a shaving accident. That's the aftermath of a murder
00:26:50Something else you should know your boyfriend's car was used to dump Ashley's ball
00:26:55Elliot didn't shoot Ashley come on Maxine. We know he was there that night
00:26:58We've also got CCTV of Elliot's car near to where Ashley's body was dumped to mention his record for dealing in drugs and guns
00:27:03Maybe Ashley was working for earlier running drugs got out a line go back for a trouble
00:27:10I
00:27:11You've been taking too many drugs Maxine. You're gonna let your daughter's killer get away with this. I didn't do anything
00:27:17You know they don't know what happened. I didn't say anything. You saw Elliot John's shoot your daughter. No
00:27:24Maybe wrong about this
00:27:26She definitely knows something, but she's absolutely not giving up John's no matter how much evidence we throw them
00:27:30Think she's calling for someone else. I think the answer to this lies in that kids
00:27:33Oh, we know Tyler was one of the last people Ashley spoke to and he knows more than he's letting on
00:27:39Go
00:27:40I've checked Tyler's mobile phone records when he made that final call to Ashley the records show that he too was on the Jasmine
00:27:47Island state
00:27:48Well if we could place him in Maxine's flat that night
00:27:50That's a whole different story
00:27:51Oh, we've got is a brother and a sister calling each other on the phone
00:27:54I don't care if you call it nature or nurture or a cop's instinct most of those kids were feral from the moment
00:27:58They got out in that piece
00:28:00You're talking about kids a parent their junkie mother
00:28:03Clean for a feeder and in another few years most of us kids will be more familiar with a custody suite than we are
00:28:08Oh
00:28:12Great and Terry can you get back down to the children's home? I want every kid's room searched guys. Thanks
00:28:23We don't play judge and jury on my team max
00:28:25We investigate the facts until we find the truth
00:28:28Those kids are stringing us along somebody in that home knows more than they're letting on given their background of course the suspicious of
00:28:34adults of the law of the world
00:28:36You
00:28:37Don't care about that day. You just want to resolve. That's right. I do because I do care
00:28:42I care about a 17 year old girl who gets gunned down in her mother's flat
00:28:46Then she gets dumped in a ruin of a building and her own family friends carers even are obstructing the investigation. I mean God, please
00:28:57If we don't look out for her it will
00:29:00None of us would be doing this job if we didn't care max none of us
00:29:03There's a right way and the wrong way to look out for a victim if I hear you use words like feral delinquent
00:29:11Or any variation on that theme one more time you are off this case
00:29:17Okay
00:29:21We know that Ashley died at your mom's flat
00:29:24We know her body was in Elliot John's car a man that you deny knowing even though he's a regular visitor to your mom's place
00:29:30We know that you were in possession
00:29:32of one of Ashley's most treasured things
00:29:36I've got your mom and her boyfriend on potentially serious charges, and yeah, I'm thinking
00:29:43for all the
00:29:44Many faults they may be trying to make a misguided attempt to do the right thing by someone
00:29:53You
00:29:58I've told you what we know you tell us what you know
00:30:03You
00:30:13The gun went off
00:30:16It was an accident
00:30:20Just tell me what happened Tyler
00:30:25Mom was freaking out. She she found this gun in the flat
00:30:30it didn't like
00:30:32I think
00:30:34We reckoned it was Elliot's
00:30:37She found me I found ash and we went on to see her
00:30:43Mom wanted to ring Elliot to come and get the gun. I wanted to dump it and actually to bring it to the police
00:30:52Me and ash we got into a bit of a dispute
00:30:58She tried leaving but I stopped her in the hallway
00:31:02We wrestled
00:31:05And the gun went off
00:31:09Ash goes down
00:31:11Mom's freaking I'm freaking
00:31:15We still can't call the cops. I
00:31:18Mean now we really can't you know
00:31:24I
00:31:26Knew those kids were trouble always hanging around Maxine's flat
00:31:32One of those kids is dead remember
00:31:38He'll be back I don't believe Tyler did it
00:31:43He's lying
00:31:45You can call it a cop's instinct if you like I
00:31:49Think he's innocent
00:31:56Eddie I
00:31:58Want your input yeah, you've got a confession. Yeah. Well, I just want to walk through what Tyler said see if it plays out
00:32:04Okay, you know I promise me you won't tell anyone down the neck that we did roleplay together. All right
00:32:10I'm Tyler you're Ashley
00:32:13It's just a gun and you're holding it. Okay down here and Tyler said that
00:32:19They had a dispute and they wrestled so wrestle wrestle
00:32:24bank
00:32:25Gun goes off we wrestle
00:32:30You go for the wrists the hands in the struggle the gun gets pulled down low
00:32:36Around about the middle of the body. Well that close to the body that would have been scorched marks. Yeah, there were no scorched marks and
00:32:43Ashley's gunshot wound the bullet entered an upward trajectory
00:32:48The exit wound was higher than the entry wound and the principal blood markings were up with two
00:32:56I reckon I
00:33:00Reckon
00:33:03The shots was fired from here
00:33:10Would you find a heroine
00:33:13Yeah, yeah, well what the vodka on the side there's the ashtray there's the TV
00:33:19This is where Maxine spends her evenings
00:33:23lying down
00:33:25Yeah
00:33:28So
00:33:43This putty is still fresh that could have been a bullet hole we need to find that gun
00:33:56It didn't happen like Tyler said, hey
00:33:59Crime scene tells a different story. What story the gun was fired from Maxine's bed
00:34:03Tyler said that they wrestled and I think Tyler's protecting his mom the kids thinking he can plead
00:34:08Accidental death on a juvenile charge get off lightly. So, okay
00:34:12We found nothing at the children's home
00:34:14One of the kids saw Tyler give Paige something this afternoon and now she's gone AWOL
00:34:18We've got all units out on her must be the gun, right?
00:34:20Tyler's lied about that too. He hasn't done the gun like he said before he's given it a page to get rid of
00:34:25I
00:34:28Was this your own max, hmm, he's um
00:34:32Complicated. Yeah. Okay. I'm coming down. I just been spotted near the canal. I want that gun
00:34:55I
00:35:05Seen just that
00:35:08No bag, did you see a dump anything? Yeah, it's just been sitting there staring the canal all the time I've been
00:35:19You want to do this
00:35:25You
00:35:42Hello Paige, it's alright just want to talk for a minute
00:35:47You
00:35:54My name is Grace, I'm with Sunhill CID we need the gun page for Ashley's sake
00:36:04I'll throw it away in there
00:36:08I
00:36:13Tyler tell you to do that. So why did you?
00:36:30You're trying to protect Tyler and he's trying to protect Maxine
00:36:34You Paige you need to protect yourself
00:36:44I don't know who shot her
00:36:49Tyler knew she was dead
00:36:51Before you even came today. He knew
00:36:56But he wouldn't tell me what happened
00:36:58I
00:37:04Think I know
00:37:07Gav the forensics are compromised the guns in the canal, right?
00:37:12Well, we're just gonna have to crack this an interview
00:37:15I'll take Tyler Maxine is yours
00:37:19Softly softly. No, I want to know what she's covering up. I want the truth do what you have to do
00:37:23I
00:37:26Think to Max's strengths. Yeah
00:37:39Maxine
00:37:42We think we know who killed Ashley
00:37:47She didn't deserve what happened to her did she
00:37:54For the benefit of the tape, I'm now showing the suspect exhibit nm1
00:38:05I'll be honest with you. It saddens me
00:38:10It really does
00:38:12You know how some kids never get a chance in life. They're done for right from the off
00:38:19I
00:38:21Actually was trying her best
00:38:26She was doing really well at her apprenticeship she was saving up she had a whole life ahead of her
00:38:32She had good friends people loved her
00:38:38You I
00:38:41Need a break
00:38:43You
00:38:47You've been under arrest for a few hours now Maxine this is probably the most straight you've been in a long time, isn't it?
00:38:58Spoke to Tyler he's been through a lot, isn't he?
00:39:05You have no idea how much that boy loves you I
00:39:10I
00:39:12Think when you're off the drugs, you must be a good woman to get that from him. I
00:39:19Know Ashley died at your mom's flat that night. I know you were there, but I also know it didn't happen the way you said it did
00:39:30She didn't die right away, did she
00:39:33A gunshot like that the chest
00:39:40Internal trauma, that's what killed her, but she was still conscious for a little bit
00:39:50Tell me what happened
00:39:55Did she say anything
00:39:57You
00:39:59Need to make things right with your son because I tell you something it will be a hell of a shame if both your children's
00:40:05lives went to waste I
00:40:10Know you know he tried to convince us that he'd killed Ashley
00:40:21It was an accident
00:40:24I'm found that gun Elliot's gone. She won't call the police even though we beat her up
00:40:35So you and Ashley went round
00:40:39Elliot hit me that night
00:40:42And he does that
00:40:46But it was getting out of hand
00:40:49He said he was gonna get a knife
00:40:52Come back scar me good
00:40:56He left you wouldn't take the gun I
00:41:01Was high I'd class A's in me flat. I've been drinking. I was scared
00:41:09So I turned out the lights I
00:41:13Phoned Tyler and told him what happened before that Elliot might still be there might have come back
00:41:22I
00:41:23Went through the door so fast
00:41:27We just wanted to pretend I
00:41:30Thought it was Elliot come rushing it
00:41:35That's why I fired the gun
00:41:41At first I put her in the boiler room
00:41:45And you couldn't leave her there I just kept putting it off
00:41:52A couple of nights ago. I used Elliot's car to move her I
00:41:58Was out of it
00:42:01Come face it straight
00:42:09I don't even remember
00:42:22I swear I
00:42:29Didn't know it was Ashley
00:42:33When she walked the door
00:42:45One was lying on the bed waiting for earlier
00:42:51She just jacked up she had a needle sticking out of her
00:42:58She had to go
00:43:10I'm sure
00:43:22I
00:43:32Took the gun from her mom. I didn't trust her with it alone
00:43:41She said I had to go
00:43:45She take care of ash I
00:43:48I didn't know how and until later
00:43:57Just before she died ash made me promise to take care of mom
00:44:07I'm business so much
00:44:17I
00:44:37Always think of parents loving their kids unconditionally not the other way around
00:44:42I
00:44:47Was gonna let the cake go under
00:45:13Oh
00:45:15Brewer I'm arresting you for possession of indecent images of a child. I don't know what you're talking about what images George Fielding
00:45:21He borrowed the laptop George Fielding's on the sex offenders register. I
00:45:25Downloaded them Paul Brewer know those pictures were on his computer. No of course not who is this little girl George?
00:45:32I don't know there. She is why shouldn't Paul be taking pictures of Lucy
00:45:37Where is he?
00:45:42You
00:46:12You
00:46:42I
00:47:12All right, I'm arresting you on suspicion of robbery you do not to say anything, but it might
00:47:34Why is that smell
00:47:42Oh
00:47:44I
00:47:47Oh
00:48:08It's a woman what good news is there's maggots and all sorts. Yeah, I can see if it's Eddie
00:48:15Advanced decomposition, so she's been here a fair while
00:48:19Necessarily all that suggests is that she's been dead for a fair while, right?
00:48:25Right I am not feeling too good. Yeah, you would have lost your lunch to Eddie mate. You know I mean
00:48:31I'm covered
00:48:33Dead person
00:48:36Yes, you are, but your uniform is now evidence so bag it. It's still back to the neck and cleaned up
00:48:41All right, I'm not supposed to get back
00:48:44Don't look at me. I've just had the IRV clean. Can you go you go? It's not getting in my car
00:48:48Oh, what am I supposed to do get a bus right see if there's any CCTV cameras and find out around them Eddie
00:48:54Let's get some of your people to go through the bin bag
00:48:56See if we can fight of whatever's underneath is gonna. Give us a cut-off point for when she was dumped. I reckon
00:49:03So we've got five female miss per candidates all age between 15 to 30 black or mixed-race similar bill
00:49:10You've got an Ashley Simmons up there
00:49:12Yeah, yeah, we've got a match on a print from a juvenile caution four years ago
00:49:18How old was she 17
00:49:23Okay
00:49:25Eddie
00:49:26Well the pathologist estimates the time of death at about two weeks ago
00:49:31How long do we think she'd been at the warehouse?
00:49:33The rubbish bags surrounding the victim both on top and beneath her contain newspapers dated from three days ago, right?
00:49:39So no more than 72 hours. That's good. This was not a well-hidden body. Whoever dumped her was panicking Smith
00:49:44You can you get someone to check out the CCTV from that period, please Grace. Let's get on to this girl's mobile records
00:49:50Teenage gunshot fatality. It's going to be gang-related or drugs probably both
00:49:54She was reported missing a week ago by Francis Baines who is
00:49:58Report doesn't state a relationship to Ashley, but her address is listed as Rowan House, Wyatt Street
00:50:04Rowan House children's home. Yeah, this girl's in care
00:50:10Oh
00:50:31Can I help you di Manson, this is DS Carter from Sunhill looking for Francis Baines. Yes, that's me
00:50:39Okay
00:50:41It's about Ashley Simmons
00:50:44Oh, oh no, yeah, I'm sorry, it's okay
00:50:52Ashley moved out of here about
00:50:55Seven months ago. She got a flat
00:50:58So she was living independently. Oh, she could have stayed on for another year, but
00:51:03They're all so desperate for their freedom and then when they get it they don't know what to do with it
00:51:12I'm sorry. It's okay. I should have a job
00:51:18She was trained as a hairdresser
00:51:20studying at night school
00:51:22Had a part-time job at the local salon
00:51:25In the past she'd been arrested for theft
00:51:27She
00:51:30Stole cheap cosmetics from a chemist. That was about four years ago. Yeah, I think she was mixed up in anything now
00:51:36Ashley, no, no drugs
00:51:38Didn't run with any gangs
00:51:40No, I would have known if she was
00:51:46Can I see her
00:51:49I wouldn't advise
00:51:52I was a fancy. Give us a minute Kai. Why are you crying Kai?
00:52:00It's us, isn't it
00:52:05She did
00:52:12I actually stayed mine
00:52:15Are you talking about you had me you're not funny don't do this Kai
00:52:20What oh, that's why they hit a quiet. How are you gonna do Francis put me on the naughty step?
00:52:25Hi, you you lay a finger on me and I'll have you for assault
00:52:31He's upset that was upset. Okay doesn't do tears. Is it true?
00:52:39I'm sorry Tyler
00:52:45I
00:52:47Know is Ashley's brother
00:52:50Well, he probably could have been told in a better way yeah
00:52:54Kai still has a long way to go
00:52:57Ash was the oldest here
00:52:59Big sister to everybody really big motion didn't live anymore. I should still visit and some of the kids would see her on the outside
00:53:06Why did Francis report missing?
00:53:09We thought she'd gone to Manchester for a few days. She has mates there and takes off every so often
00:53:15Then no one was getting texts or calls from her messages were being ignored. We thought something might be up
00:53:21Well, we're gonna need statements from everybody who lives here. Well, not now. I have eight children here and I need to explain to them
00:53:30Individually what's happened? It's important
00:53:34Right. We'll start with the kids who already know
00:53:37We're gonna need Ashley's mobile number and any contacts for friends and family. She didn't have family as such just Tyler really
00:53:45us
00:53:46I'm sorry
00:53:48Maybe when you talk to the kids
00:53:50Yeah
00:53:55I know she doesn't think Ashley got herself caught up in anything. But what do you think?
00:54:01There's a lot of people out there who prey on kids like her so I won't rule it out
00:54:06Colin Tyler and Paige they were ashes little gang in here if anyone knows anything you'll be them
00:54:14Oh
00:54:38What do you think's gonna happen page you think just ashes gonna pop through the TV screen and come join us on the sofa
00:54:43Kai
00:54:44Don't speak to like that
00:54:46Is that actually?
00:54:48Yes, I
00:54:51Want to watch TV Francis, huh
00:54:54The police want to take statements from you all who wants to go first
00:54:59I'll do
00:55:13You
00:55:18Okay
00:55:21Last time you saw Ashley was two weeks ago. She said she was going to Manchester. No
00:55:28but
00:55:29She disappears off. That's usually where she goes never been outside the m25 myself was actually in trouble with anyone
00:55:35She wasn't doing anything. She should have been
00:55:38Drugs anything like that. No
00:55:41That was one of the good guys
00:55:43She didn't get into gangs. She didn't do drugs
00:55:46Tell me about it
00:55:48she was
00:55:50Good she likes to sleep with a light on
00:55:54light a
00:55:57Favorite film dream girls favorite singer Rihanna
00:56:03She loved my kiddies
00:56:06I'm
00:56:07Messing with girls there. No, look. I'm near you fresh was there
00:56:10Why was that cuz she might have been a girl but no one messed with her. She didn't get into any rise
00:56:18She wasn't angry. She looked out for me
00:56:21If I looked out for everyone in the home
00:56:25Took a while for to let you in but when she decided you were a mate
00:56:29Should do anything for you
00:56:32Was there anyone special in her life? No, no, she talked about anyways
00:56:40Pat said he thought someone here would know what happened to her. Yeah, well Pat thinks we're all a bunch of scumbags anyway
00:56:45That's not fair
00:56:47Why are four?
00:56:48So Ashley was shy but popular tough
00:56:53But not aggressive
00:56:55Yeah
00:56:57Yeah, that's about right
00:57:00Just can't understand why anyone would have beef with her
00:57:07Terry some CCTV from a couple of nights ago the red saloon car circling the roads near the warehouse. You got the driver?
00:57:13Yeah, that's it
00:57:21Leave it out. I've done half a bottle of aftershave already. I don't smell like sweet. There you go
00:57:28Elliot John's
00:57:30Maybe on PNC. Yeah, he's got form for dealing class A's and was a suspect in a firearms offense six months ago. Thank you
00:57:45It's definitely the car from the CCTV, okay, let's give him a shout
00:57:49Oh
00:57:56Yeah, yeah, they're John's who's that son it was CID we have a word what's it about it's about a murder we're investigating
00:58:08You can come voluntarily I'm not going anywhere or we can nick you fine and we're taking your car
00:58:16All right, wait
00:58:18That worked
00:58:21Mr. John's we have CCTV footage of your car circling the derelict warehouse and Talbot Street two nights ago
00:58:27No, we can show you the footage
00:58:30Might be my car babe, but were me driving it. Who else drives your car?
00:58:34He doesn't
00:58:36brother sisters cousins
00:58:38Mr. Jackson three doors down with the sick wife
00:58:41We all share so from one day to the next you have no idea who's driving your car
00:58:45Is that right? Everyone who wants to use it's gonna put petrol in it
00:58:48Chipping on running costs. All I know is that when I get it back the tanks empty
00:58:53And every time the bills arrive the streets empty and muggins is God deal with it. Do you know Ashley Simmons? I
00:58:59Know a lot of people. I'm not great on names. I usually get by on mate and darling, you know
00:59:04I mean, we think your car may have been used to move her body
00:59:07Yeah, just back up a sec
00:59:08All right
00:59:09So if you weren't driving your car on the night in question, which one of your brothers sisters or cousins was do you think?
00:59:14I don't know. I told you it wasn't me
00:59:18Go ask my girlfriend. I was with her two nights ago
00:59:22Maxine Clements Elliot Jones bird definitely on something
00:59:26She'd want to be wouldn't she go out with someone like a John's
00:59:34So when it arrived at your flat at 3 in the afternoon and stayed there till the next morning, yeah
00:59:41So what did you do during that time?
00:59:45What did you watch TV did you listen to music what did you do I
00:59:49Think we have music on what kind of music?
00:59:53Experimental jazz but a German folk. What was it? He was with me all night
00:59:57That's all I know neither. You know, he left the flight during that period. No
01:00:03And you're willing to make a statement to that effect
01:00:15I
01:00:16Just run a check on her. She's been nicked twice for possession of class A's, right?
01:00:21Elliot John thinks he's getting bail on the base today. You think again Connie?
01:00:24Yeah, so have we got anything that links Elliot John's directly to Ashley? No
01:00:28Her only caution wasn't drug-related and borrow have no intelligence whatsoever linking it to any gang activity
01:00:34It doesn't mean a great deal just cuz she's not anyone's radar anything from the search of his car forensics are doing it now
01:00:40Ashley's flat. No, nothing out of the ordinary. I'm no sign of any drug use. She just seemed like a normal kid
01:00:46I've been through Ashley's mobile phone records. The last outgoing call was made two weeks ago today
01:00:52I've asked the service providers to find us a location for that final call
01:00:55Well that ties in with when we think Ashley was shot
01:00:58Also, there was a lot of activity on that phone in the last couple of hours both incoming and outgoing
01:01:03And these two numbers keep cropping up not just in the last day, but across the last two months
01:01:08I'll bet their powers you go. I
01:01:10Think we should go down to that children's home get a kid to give us a mobile numbers
01:01:14Yeah, gosh, you'll have fun, won't you?
01:01:18You're having a laughing ya they're asking for your help no, that's not what they're doing
01:01:23They're just trying to keep tabs on us and why is that a problem? It's a breach of our rights man. You're right
01:01:28Let me tell you something. I would be keeping tabs on you
01:01:30Anyway, man, all they're trying to do is find out who killed Ashley
01:01:35How's having our mobile numbers gonna help unless you think one of us killed her no, that's not what I'm saying
01:01:40Well, then it don't make sense then does it?
01:01:43You can have my number
01:01:45No, I don't mind if they know where I am. At least if something bad happens to me. I'll be found
01:01:51What do you mean but and if it does I want to be found and buried properly not just dumped somewhere
01:01:57No one deserves to end up a pile of mush. I don't believe you. Why are you gonna give them your number?
01:02:02So they can know exactly who you talk to
01:02:06I don't understand. Why are you picking on me? We're not picking on you. We're interested in what you just said. I was just chatting
01:02:11We were talking about mobile phones and suddenly you move
01:02:18Hey, I
01:02:21Want your input here? Well, you've got a confession. Yeah. Well, I just want to walk through what Tyler said see if it plays out
01:02:27Okay, you know promise me you won't tell anyone down the neck that we did roleplay together. All right
01:02:32I'm Tyler you're Ashley
01:02:35It's just a gun
01:02:37And you're holding it. Okay down here now Tyler said that
01:02:42They had a dispute and they wrestled so wrestle wrestle
01:02:47Bank gun goes off we wrestle
01:02:53You go for the wrists the hands in the struggle the gun gets pulled down low
01:02:58Around about the middle of the body. Well that close to the body that would have been scorched marks. Yeah, there were no scorched marks and
01:03:06Ashley's gunshot wound the bullet entered an upward trajectory
01:03:10The exit wound was higher than the entry wound and the the principal blood markings were up with two
01:03:20I reckon I
01:03:23Reckon
01:03:25The shops
01:03:28Was fired from here
01:03:33Would you find a heroine
01:03:36Yeah, yeah, well what the vodka on the side there's the ashtray there's the TV
01:03:42This is where Maxine spends her evenings
01:03:45lying down
01:03:47Yeah
01:03:50So
01:03:58This
01:04:06Putty is still fresh that could have been a bullet hole. We need to find that gun
01:04:18It didn't happen like Tyler said, hey
01:04:21Crime scene tells a different story. What story the gun was fired from Maxine's bed
01:04:26Tyler said that they wrestled and I think Tyler's protecting this mom the kids sinking
01:04:30He can plead accidental death on a juvenile charge get off lightly
01:04:33So, okay, we found nothing at the children's home one of the kids saw Tyler give Paige something this afternoon and now she's gone
01:04:40AWOL, we've got all units on her must be the gun, right?
01:04:43So I just lied about that too. He hasn't done the gun like he said before he's given it a page to get me off
01:04:50Where's this
01:04:53He's um
01:04:55Complicated yeah, okay. I'm coming down. Hey, she's been spotted near the canal. I want that gun
01:05:25I
01:05:27See just that
01:05:31No bag, do you see a dump anything? Yeah, it's just been sitting there staring the canal all the time I've been
01:05:42You want to do this
01:05:55You
01:06:05Hello Paige, it's alright just want to talk for a minute
01:06:16My name is Grace and with Sunhill CID
01:06:20We need the gun page
01:06:23For Ashley's sake
01:06:27I'll throw it away in there
01:06:35To Tyler tell you to do that. So why did you?
01:06:53You're trying to protect Tyler and he's trying to protect Maxine
01:06:59Paige you need to protect yourself
01:07:07I don't know who shot her
01:07:11Finally knew she was dead
01:07:14Before you even came today. He knew
01:07:18Why you wouldn't tell me what happened
01:07:22I
01:07:26Think I know
01:07:30Gav the forensics are compromised the guns in the canal, right?
01:07:35Well, we're just gonna have to crack this an interview
01:07:38I'll take Tyler Maxine is yours
01:07:41Softly softly. No, I want to know what she's covering up. I want the truth do what you have to do
01:07:46I
01:07:48Think to Max's strengths. Yeah
01:08:01Maxine
01:08:05We think we know who killed Ashley
01:08:09She didn't deserve what happened to her did she
01:08:16For the benefit of the tape, I'm now showing the suspect exhibit nm1
01:08:28I'll be honest with you. It saddens me
01:08:32It really does
01:08:34You know how some kids never get a chance in life. They're done for right from the off
01:08:42I
01:08:44Actually was trying her best
01:08:48She was doing really well at her apprenticeship she was saving up she had a whole life ahead of her
01:08:55She had good friends people loved her
01:09:00You I
01:09:03Need a break
01:09:05You
01:09:09You've been under arrest for a few hours now Maxine this is probably the most straight you've been in a long time, isn't it?
01:09:21Spoke to Tyler he's been through a lot, isn't he?
01:09:28You have no idea how much that boy loves you I
01:09:32I
01:09:34Think when you're off the drugs, you must be a good woman to get that from him. I
01:09:42Know Ashley died at your mom's flat that night. I know you were there, but I also know it didn't happen the way you said it did
01:09:52She didn't die right away, did she
01:09:55A gunshot like that the chest
01:10:03Internal trauma, that's what killed her
01:10:07But she was still conscious for a little bit
01:10:11With the conversation to decomposing bodies your sister's decomposing body, that's just chatting don't talk to him like that
01:10:17Please your mate the Lincoln citizen Smith. What's the real reason he doesn't want you all to hand over your numbers?
01:10:24Do you know what happened to Ashley
01:10:27Because look Tyler you've just spent the afternoon watching videos of Ashley with Paige. Yeah remembering how she used to be
01:10:34Yeah, and now she's dead
01:10:36Don't worry. I'm old enough to realize that the world ain't gonna stop spinning
01:10:40And that the world doesn't really care we care. Can I go now?
01:10:44I need to tell my mom in a minute. No Francis. I need to tell her before somebody else does all right
01:10:50Let me go. Let me go Francis
01:10:53What's this about his mom you said he didn't have a family
01:10:56Yeah, well I exaggerated but only just drink drugs domestic abuse any or all of the above
01:11:06Yes, the dad ran away when Ashley and Tyler were little and the mom went through a series of
01:11:12abusive relationships
01:11:14One of whom turned her onto heroin
01:11:16Then put her to work turning tricks for him in a flat at night
01:11:20While the kids were asleep in the next room except of course they weren't asleep. Yeah, that's her there
01:11:32She's still around
01:11:35Tyler's still very loyal to her
01:11:38That's what's Ashley
01:11:40But some people are beyond help. Yeah
01:11:43What's the name vaccine?
01:11:46Do you know what's in it? Well, it's different than the kids it's um Clements I think
01:11:58Hey for Ashley
01:12:01You seen this before
01:12:03Yes
01:12:05Ashley's favorite
01:12:07She wore it all the time
01:12:15Oh
01:12:26All right, sorry, where's your mom she's gone home
01:12:33You do this a lot then mom's not so good at looking at yourself
01:12:39She's to help me with it
01:12:41Oh
01:12:42Well, actually, yeah, we need to talk to you a bit more Tyler
01:12:48But it's damn I
01:12:51Tell us Simmons you're under arrest for attempting to pervert the course of justice
01:12:55Francis said that this was Ashley's favorite bit of jewelry and she was always wearing it
01:13:02It's okay Tyler just answer the question
01:13:04I
01:13:07Was making money now
01:13:09working in the addresses
01:13:11She bought herself some new bling. She wasn't wearing anything around her neck when we found her body
01:13:16So maybe she was mugged. Maybe that's how she ended up dead. You think whoever killed her took her blood?
01:13:20Don't put words in my mouth
01:13:24My sister gave me that
01:13:26as a present
01:13:28We've got Ashley's mobile phone records. You were the last person to speak to her. What did you talk about?
01:13:35I can't remember just stuff
01:13:40Well, don't you chat to your family your mates just about stuff
01:13:44Yeah, of course I do but
01:13:46If it was the last conversation I ever had with them, I think I'd remember something about it. Well good for you. I
01:13:53Didn't get your start in life Tyler
01:13:57It's alright
01:13:59What did you talk about
01:14:02We used to talk on the phone a lot
01:14:05Nothing sticks out
01:14:10Elliot Johns
01:14:12Who your mother's boyfriend
01:14:15Big deal mom has a lot of boyfriends
01:14:17Don't expect me to keep tabs on them audio for the benefit of the tape. I'm showing Tyler a photograph of Elliot Johns
01:14:23I
01:14:28Think it's Tyler
01:14:30Elliot's car was seen near the warehouse the night that Ashley's body was dumped there
01:14:35So aren't you banging a confession out this Elliot geezer?
01:14:39Instead of hassling me I can buy that his sister gifted him the chain
01:14:42I can buy that he talked such rubbish with Ashley in their last phone conversation that he can't remember the details
01:14:46But the Elliot Johns thing we know is in his mom's flat every week that he keeps a close eye on her
01:14:50Yeah, he must have known she was saying so what's he hiding?
01:14:53Okay, boss Ashley's mobile service providers come back with that last request the final call she received at her mobile
01:14:59It's been locked down to two buildings on a Jasmine Island estate one is Bevan house
01:15:03The other one is Groveland house Bevan house is what Maxine Clements lives. Let's go
01:15:21I
01:15:25Okay
01:15:26Start a door-to-door
01:15:27So anyone with information on Elliot Johns anyone who knows anything about Ashley Simmons and anyone with interesting stories to tell about Maxine Clements
01:15:35All right, Eddie with us
01:15:41Miss Clements
01:15:43Why didn't you tell me my daughter was dead very sorry
01:15:46But we didn't know she was you my son had to come here and tell me why are you here?
01:15:49Why are you out looking for Ashley's killer whose phone was last located in this area?
01:15:53We suspect that she died here on this day. No, who know right here in your flat
01:15:58I'm not serious. I'm very serious. And we've got some questions for you, and we're gonna search your flat. Okay, listen, right?
01:16:04I'm Ashley's mother. Why are you picking on me Maxine Clements?
01:16:08Suspicion
01:16:38Sarge Maxine Clements arrested for attempted to pervert the course of justice
01:16:43She's not fit for interview
01:16:46Rings three one two three you count them
01:16:50Listen you need to come down from whatever planet you're on before anyone talks to you my dear. Yeah. All right. Where's my methadone?
01:17:08I
01:17:11Listen we've got a doctor coming to see us a calm down
01:17:17Nothing concrete yet
01:17:19But our max seems certainly isn't the most popular girl around town. He's unfriendly usually in a daze and mouthy between eyes. Oh
01:17:27Yeah, and you don't want to stand down wind of her on a hot day
01:17:31Great God look at this
01:17:34I
01:17:36Only enough to keep the whole estate off its head for a few weeks. That's possession for sure and probably intended supply
01:17:42Thanks, this is Samantha boy
01:17:44She's Maxine's neighbor
01:17:45Can you repeat what you told me to my colleague a couple of weeks ago the boyfriend came around?
01:17:50The pair of them having a right Barney
01:17:52I mean I'm used to hearing that but this was different door slamming things breaking and then it all went quiet
01:17:58Then a while later like bang big bang
01:18:03Like a gunshot. Did you report it knocked on the door Maxine?
01:18:07I said want her or nothing said she'd knocked over a cabinet trying to move it. I
01:18:13Didn't think anything of it
01:18:15You get used to it living next to people like her. Okay. Thank you Samantha. You've been very helpful
01:18:19I need you to give a statement to PC Ryder here. Okay. Okay. Thank you
01:18:23I
01:18:31Remember those ads we used to get in comics when we were kids for x-ray specs
01:18:36Apparently they could see through women's dresses. I think that's what got me into forensics in the unseeable. I'm speaking of which
01:18:43tada
01:18:44Good. Yeah
01:18:46Right as your primary crime scene gentlemen
01:18:50Main blood group is here around about chest height
01:18:54There's no bullet to be found and we can find one in the body either. No, I reckon
01:19:01Ashley came through here. Thanks. You get shot right here
01:19:06There's not much blood on the door
01:19:09Which suggests it was open the bullet passes through this appears off into the outdoors
01:19:16Ashley
01:19:17Clutches her chest goes down
01:19:20These handprints are probably hers where she tried to support us off
01:19:25She might live for another minute or two
01:19:28But not long
01:19:33Actually was shot in Maxine's flat
01:19:36Question is why I said it
01:19:38I'd say she was there to see Elliot John's that was Eddie
01:19:41Ashley's hair and fibers been found all over the boot of his car
01:19:44Whatever they were up to together came to a head
01:19:46Geese is a convicted drug dealer with form for firearms possession
01:19:50We still can't place him at the primary or the secondary crime scene. We can't even prove he was in his own car
01:19:55It was everyone we spoken to that knew Ashley says the same thing. It just wasn't her style
01:20:01Why would she be involved with someone like Elliot John's?
01:20:03It just doesn't make sense not while Maxine's still giving John's an alibi for the night. The body was dumped
01:20:08Okay, so we talked to her again, how's she doing if I'm a street, you know, she's calmed down a bit apparently, right
01:20:14It's her flat. Her daughter was shot there. We hit her with that. See where we go
01:20:20According to Ashley's mobile phone records the last calls that she ever made and received when the vicinity of your flat
01:20:27Two weeks ago. I don't remember. It was the night. You had a big row with Elliot John's
01:20:31You'll have to narrow it down a bit more than that
01:20:34We have a witness who heard something like a gunshot coming from your flat that night. I haven't got a gun
01:20:39Must have been the Tully you told the neighbor you knock some furniture over. Yeah. Well that happens, too
01:20:45I'm sure I miss Clements exhibit e04. No, this is in your flat and
01:20:50This is what's left of major blood splattering that someone tried to clean down
01:20:55Well, I've had known that I'd never taken the place
01:20:58Council flats a
01:20:59Never know live there before you this amount of blood. That's not a shaving accident. That's the aftermath of a murder
01:21:05Something else you should know your boyfriend's car was used to dump Ashley's body
01:21:10Elliot didn't shoot Ashley come on Maxine. We know he was there that night
01:21:13We've also got CCTV of Elliot's car near to where Ashley's body was dumped to mention his record for dealing in drugs and guns
01:21:19Maybe Ashley was working for earlier running drugs got out of line go back for a trouble
01:21:26You've been taking too many drugs Maxine you're gonna let your daughter's killer get away with this I didn't do anything
01:21:32You know they don't know what happened. I didn't say anything you saw Elliot John's shoot your daughter. No
01:21:40Maybe wrong about this
01:21:41She definitely knows something, but she's absolutely not giving up John's no matter how much evidence we throw
01:21:46Think she's calling for someone else
01:21:47I think the answer to this lies in that kids own
01:21:49We know Tyler was one of the last people Ashley spoke to and he knows more than he's letting on
01:21:54Go
01:21:55I've checked Tyler's mobile phone records
01:21:58When he made that final call to Ashley the records show that he too was on the Jasmine Island state
01:22:04Well if we could place it in Maxine's flat that night. That's a whole different story
01:22:06All we've got is a brother and a sister calling each other on the phone
01:22:09I don't care if you call it nature or nurture or a cop's instinct
01:22:12But most of those kids were feral from the moment they got out in that piece
01:22:15You're talking about kids that parent their junkie mother clean for a feeder and in another few years most of us kids will be
01:22:22More familiar with a custody suite than we are
01:22:28Great and Terry, can you get back down to the children's home? I want every kid's room searched guys. Thanks
01:22:38We don't play judge and jury on my team max
01:22:41We investigate the facts until we find the truth
01:22:43Those kids are stringing us along somebody in that home knows more than they're letting on given the background of course the suspicious
01:22:49of adults of the law of the world
01:22:53You don't care about that do you you just want a result that's right I do because I do care
01:22:58I care about a 17 year old girl who gets gunned down in her mother's flat
01:23:02Then she gets dumped in a ruin of a building and her own family friends carers even are obstructing the investigation. I mean God, please
01:23:12If we don't look out for her it will
01:23:15None of us would be doing this job if we didn't care max none of us
01:23:19There's a right way and the wrong way to look out for a victim if I hear you use words like feral delinquent
01:23:27Or any variation on that theme one more time you are off this case
01:23:32Okay
01:23:37We know that Ashley died at your mom's flat
01:23:40We know her body was in Elliot John's car a man that you deny knowing even though he's a regular visitor to your mom's place
01:23:46We know that you were in possession
01:23:48of one of Ashley's most treasured things
01:23:50I've got your mom and her boyfriend on potentially serious charges, and yeah, I'm thinking
01:23:56for all the
01:23:58Many faults they may be trying to make a misguided attempt to do the right thing by someone
01:24:07You
01:24:12I've told you what we know you tell us what you know
01:24:20You
01:24:29The gun went off
01:24:32It was an accident
01:24:35Just tell me what happened Tyler
01:24:41Mom was freaking out. She she found this gun in the flat
01:24:45It didn't like
01:24:47I'm a thing
01:24:49We reckoned it was Elliot's
01:24:53She found me I found ash and we went on to see her
01:24:59I'm what to ring Elliot to come and get the gun. I wanted to dump it and I should to bring it to the police
01:25:08Me and ash we got into a bit of a dispute
01:25:14She tried leaving but I stopped her in the hallway
01:25:18We wrestled
01:25:25That's caused our mom's freaking I'm freaking
01:25:30Still can't call the cops. I
01:25:33Mean now we really can't you know
01:25:39I
01:25:42Knew those kids were trouble always hanging around Maxine's flat
01:25:47One of those kids is dead remember
01:25:54He'll be back I don't believe Tyler did it
01:25:58He's lying
01:26:01You can call it a cop's instinct if you like I think he's innocent