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00:00The biggest issue in Pakistan right now is the judgment that has been reserved by the Supreme Court on the special sessions.
00:12Today, news has come from the media that the official version has not come yet.
00:18All the 13 judges who have heard this case have heard it in detail.
00:27This is an unprecedented event.
00:40This is a full-court bench.
00:42This is an important issue.
00:44The judgment has been reserved.
00:50It is expected that the judgment will be heard tomorrow.
00:55We will talk to the representatives of the Supreme Court, Raja Mohsen,
01:01to find out what the news is.
01:03It is an extraordinary event that the full-court bench had to hold a session before the judgment.
01:10The reason for the controversy is very basic.
01:15What is the reason?
01:17There are two or three options.
01:23Either the seats will remain with the government,
01:27which were given to them by the Election Commission.
01:30According to them, the Sunni Council is not present as a parliamentary party.
01:34It does not become a part of them.
01:35All the seats that were present in the house of the parliamentary parties,
01:40were divided between them at the level of the National Assembly and the Provincial Assembly.
01:47Do they remain with the government?
01:50Or do they remain with the Sunni Council?
01:53The third option that was being discussed when the case was being heard,
01:58was that if Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf is present as a registered party,
02:05then why did it not get the seats?
02:08Why was that party denied?
02:11Because six or eight people from that party,
02:14who had submitted their own tickets with their own party,
02:18who had submitted the affidavit of the relationship,
02:22why were they declared independent?
02:25Therefore, there are many complex issues.
02:27We will discuss them.
02:28We will discuss these two possible developments.
02:35Yesterday, a little confusion was created.
02:39Yesterday, Haider Naqvi Sahab gave an opinion on this.
02:42That the people who are present in the house,
02:45their two-thirds majority can also have a constitutional amendment.
02:48The article of the constitution is Nazareen 239.
02:51I have also spoken to some constitutional experts on this.
02:54This is also a practice of the past.
02:56Hassan can also talk about this.
03:15This is the fundamental point.
03:17The total membership in the National Assembly is 336.
03:22The two-thirds majority is 224.
03:27The total membership of the Senate is 96.
03:31The two-thirds majority is 64.
03:36We will talk about this in our first story.
03:42What are the possible effects?
03:44First of all, let's put a chart in front of you.
03:47These are the seats of the Sunni Council.
03:50They have been distributed among other communities.
03:53They are contesting it in the Supreme Court.
03:56Among them, the Muslim League has 14 seats.
04:02The People's Party has 5.
04:04The JUIF party has 3.
04:09These are the total seats of the National Assembly.
04:13The Muslim League has 23 seats.
04:16The People's Party has 2.
04:18The Pakistan Muslim League has 1.
04:21The IPP has 1.
04:22The Sindh Assembly has 2.
04:24The MQM has 1 seat.
04:27The Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Assembly did not allow these seats to be distributed.
04:33That is why the election of the Senate has been suspended.
04:37Let's start with Hassan.
04:39Hassan, Article 239 is a total blur.
04:45There is no other reason for it.
04:47There is a rationale for it.
04:50Let's assume that some people are sick.
04:52It doesn't matter.
04:53Even if half the house is sick, it doesn't matter.
04:55But you have to fill in 224 seats.
04:59Yes, I have to.
05:00I don't have to fill in 224 seats.
05:02I have to fill in 288 seats for both the houses.
05:06Even if you fill in 64 seats for the Senate,
05:09if you have to do a two-thirds majority...
05:11You have to pass it separately.
05:12Yes, you have to pass it separately.
05:13But if you want it, you have to fill in 224 seats.
05:16It won't work with 208 seats.
05:17No, it won't.
05:18It won't work.
05:19There is no other reason for it.
05:20That is why all eyes are focused on the Supreme Court
05:26and the Supreme Court's decision regarding the exclusive seats.
05:30Had it not been for this reason...
05:31Yesterday, Haider Naqvi, our brother,
05:33was saying that he had a misunderstanding.
05:35That is why I said that it is necessary.
05:37That is why when you were discussing yesterday,
05:40I tried to tell Haider that he might have a misunderstanding.
05:44These numbers are required.
05:46These exclusive seats won't be available until then.
05:49But you should also see that the issue of exclusive seats
05:52is not limited to the National Assembly.
05:54Because the seats of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa of the Subahi Assembly
05:57will affect the Senate.
06:00There will be a difference.
06:02So, the numbers are clubbed according to the exclusive seats.
06:09Let me show you.
06:12Let me show you the total number of seats in the Senate.
06:19There are 24 seats in the People's Party,
06:2319 seats in the PTI,
06:2419 seats in the Muslim League,
06:265 seats in the Opposition,
06:285 seats in the Free Senators,
06:304 seats in the BAP,
06:313 seats in the MQM,
06:323 seats in the ANP,
06:331 seat in the National Party,
06:341 seat in the BNP,
06:351 seat in the Muslim League.
06:37So, out of those 11 seats,
06:38if Sunni Ijtihad Council gets those seats,
06:41then some other party will get 11 seats.
06:45If they get those seats,
06:47according to the current election commission,
06:51then 3 to 4 senators will go to the government.
06:58Still, the majority party in the Senate will be Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
07:06Mr. Naqvi, this is a very important issue.
07:09You always have an opinion on it.
07:12There is an objection that you talk about the same issue every day.
07:15Because in the coming days of Pakistan,
07:19there will be a debate on it.
07:21After the Supreme Court's decision,
07:23the Senate and National Assembly will have a big impact on the political scene of Pakistan.
07:33I need your comments on this.
07:37Let's assume that the decision comes that the Supreme Court,
07:43because the Supreme Court cannot rewrite the constitution,
07:46the Supreme Court sends it back to the National Assembly.
07:50And says that you decide.
07:52And if the National Assembly decides that
07:57the total number of representatives of this five-year assembly is not 336,
08:07but 313,
08:09and if it is legalized, then what will be done?
08:12No, it will have to be legalized to change the number.
08:16A constitutional amendment is also required for that.
08:18I am talking about the constitutional amendment.
08:22What do you say after that?
08:24No, it cannot be done.
08:26Let's say it can be done.
08:28No, it is not possible.
08:30It is not possible in the constitution.
08:33If you have to do even one work of the National Assembly or the Assembly,
08:37then you need approval for the delimitation.
08:40You have to amend the constitution.
08:42I am talking to Mr. Chaudhary.
08:44Let me finish my answer.
08:46Okay, let's move on.
08:48Okay, let's move on.
08:50Even the Sunnis and the consuls cannot get this amendment.
08:53Because even the constitution says that
08:55none of their amendments can go to the National Assembly.
08:58So, I am going to...
09:00No, what will happen then?
09:02Okay, let me finish my answer.
09:04I raised this question first,
09:06so that I can get the answer to the second question.
09:08Let me finish my answer.
09:10No, let me finish my answer.
09:12Okay, let me finish my answer.
09:14Article 51 of the constitution says,
09:17which we go to the constitution again and again,
09:19it says that
09:21you cannot keep the sessions of the National Assembly or Senate
09:24vacant for more than 120 days.
09:27So, there is a consensus on this point
09:29that these sessions have to be filled.
09:32Either side has to know one or the other side.
09:35Sir, this is my question.
09:37How will they be filled?
09:39Sir, listen to me.
09:41If the last 120 days are left,
09:43then you don't hold the elections.
09:45There is no Zimni election.
09:47But in the beginning,
09:49the way this term is going on,
09:51it will not remain vacant.
09:53No, no, that is not about Zimni.
09:55That is a wrong reference.
09:57So, tell me, what is the Sunni movement?
09:59I want to know this answer.
10:01Okay, I will go to Mr. Chaudhary.
10:03Why are you giving this answer?
10:05Sir, let me tell you.
10:07One thing is that you and Hassan are giving this argument
10:09that the Sunni Council cannot meet.
10:11We are assuming.
10:13Sir, I am saying the same thing.
10:15The fundamental question that we have framed,
10:17that question is that
10:19either side has to go to the seats.
10:21Okay?
10:23Either they have to go or they have to go.
10:25You are assuming, aren't you?
10:27No, no.
10:29Sir, I am saying the same thing.
10:31You are assuming, aren't you?
10:33If you had to go,
10:35then listen,
10:37if you don't want to go,
10:39then there must be a reason behind it.
10:41That is what the case is
10:43lying in front of the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
10:45They have to explain
10:47that what is the solution
10:49to this allegation.
10:51So, the Parliament will decide
10:53the explanation of the allegation.
10:55No, sir, according to the constitution of Pakistan,
10:57if there is an allegation in the constitution,
10:59the Parliament will decide
11:01the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
11:03Look, the Supreme Court of Pakistan
11:05has to decide
11:07the explanation of the allegation.
11:09Because there is a big problem
11:11in this.
11:13According to the constitution of Pakistan,
11:15it is wrong or right.
11:17You and I can object to it
11:19that this explanation is wrong or right.
11:21Or the constitution has been rewritten or not.
11:23This was my question.
11:25This is the love of the Supreme Court.
11:27The Supreme Court has to do it.
11:29This is the appeal of the Supreme Court.
11:31There is no explanation in the constitution.
11:33Why are you confusing the viewers?
11:35This is the appeal of 185
11:37against the decision of the Peshawar High Court.
11:39There is no presidential reference
11:41for the explanation in the Supreme Court.
11:43Yes, this was my question.
11:45This is the appeal of 185.
11:47On this,
11:49the opinion of the judges
11:51is that 187 can also be used.
11:53But anyways,
11:55we wait for the judgment.
11:57We don't go on that.
11:59But I am telling you
12:01that we are discussing
12:03why this issue is being discussed.
12:05The reason is that
12:07there are many intricacies in it.