Pakistan Main Electricity kay Maslay Ka Hal Kiya? Experts Analysis
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Pakistan Main Electricity kay Maslay Ka Hal Kiya? Experts Analysis
Pakistan Main Electricity kay Maslay Ka Hal Kiya? Experts Analysis
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00:00Dr. Khalid Waleed, what do you think, can these be short-term measures or long-term
00:07measures?
00:08And if we have to take short-term measures immediately, what can they be?
00:13Look, one thing is very clear that solutions are available, whether you renegotiate IPPs
00:21with the Chinese or refinance them.
00:25I don't talk about refinance because I have an idea of the physical condition of the country
00:30right now.
00:31Maybe it will be difficult to find a new investor.
00:33So that's why I always say that you should talk to the existing investor.
00:38One thing is that the supply-side costs should be adjusted wherever they can be adjusted,
00:43if you want to look at it in the short term.
00:44Demand can be increased wherever it can be increased, as I repeatedly say, take it back
00:48from the captives.
00:49But if you look at it in the long-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
00:56If you look at it in the short-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
01:03If you look at it in the long-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
01:10If you look at it in the short-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
01:17If you look at it in the long-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
01:22If you look at it in the short-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
01:27If you look at it in the long-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
01:32If you look at it in the short-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
01:37If you look at it in the long-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
01:42If you look at it in the long-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
01:47If you look at it in the short-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
01:52If you look at it in the long-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
01:57If you look at it in the short-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
02:02If you look at it in the long-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
02:07If you look at it in the long-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
02:12If you look at it in the short-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
02:17If you look at it in the long-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
02:22If you look at it in the short-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
02:27If you look at it in the long-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
02:32If you look at it in the short-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
02:37If you look at it in the long-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
02:42If you look at it in the short-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
02:47If you look at it in the long-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
02:52If you look at it in the short-term, it will be very difficult to find a new investor.
02:58Mr. Muzammil, the reason is that the people have become impatient because the petrol is expensive.
03:05I have mentioned the base price of electricity, which has increased by more than Rs 7 per unit.
03:10So, there is a fear of how much electricity will be charged.
03:13So, there is a fear of how much electricity will be charged.
03:16But in such a situation, the government's measures, especially the distribution of free units,
03:24as you know, there are government officials and other departments
03:31where free electricity is distributed for billions of rupees from grade 1 to grade 22.
03:35Whether it is the present service or the retired employees.
03:38Can't the government reconsider this?
03:42Can't the government reconsider this?
03:47First of all, let me clear one thing.
03:52Today, all your discos have become privatized.
03:56Let me take you back a little.
03:59When the electric disco was sold in 2006-2007, correct me if I'm wrong,
04:05it took them 14 years to bring their line losses down from 40% to 15%.
04:12So, even if the disco is sold today, the argument about the land is also settled.
04:18So, it is not like overnight.
04:26It will take big time, number one.
04:47It is not because the government employees get free or cheap electricity.
04:51Because if the government employees get free electricity,
04:54then their entire income is paid for by the bill.
04:58It's not like they get cheap electricity.
05:01So, it depends on the wage tax payers.
05:03But the employees of WAPDA are obviously adjusted.
05:08Yes, that must be the case.
05:10So, sir, I would like to add one last thing to this.
05:13All of this is a long-term issue.
05:18Save the public from this depression and injustice.
05:23I think people will have to do CSR.
05:28The government will launch 1 lakh solar panels next week.
05:36So, if you distribute 1 lakh solar panels,
05:40in the areas where electricity consumption is increasing.
05:46Sir, the problem with electricity is that we have extra electricity on paper.
05:53But in reality, we don't have electricity.
05:56The load shedding in KP is 18 to 20 hours.
06:00It was an eye-opener for me when I went there.
06:02And not only in Peshawar, but in the entire KP.
06:06So, we don't have extra electricity.
06:08If we use all these appliances, we will die.
06:11Till then, we will have to decide whether there is electricity or not.
06:17Khakhan is saying to bring factories on grid.
06:20Sir, there is a 4-hour load shedding.
06:22It is a factory process.
06:24If it stops between production, everything is wasted.
06:27So, the purpose of those who were taken captive was to work on uninterrupted electricity.
06:33There is no disco of electricity in Pakistan.
06:37Which can say that I will not let the load shedding of electricity happen.
06:40It will run uninterrupted.
06:41Here, if there is wind or storm, electricity disappears.
06:45So, this is also a bookish thing.
06:49So, in my opinion, let's start with the micro thing.
06:53The small consumers whom we have protected.
06:56I was talking to them just now.
06:57The doctor spoke very well.
06:58I got a chance to learn from him.
07:00When there is a shortage of electricity.
07:04So, you make tariffs so that people are stingy and use less electricity.
07:08If there is more, then everyone's rate should be the same.
07:11Now, if you read the agreement of IMF, which has come 25th.
07:15IMF has got a job done from the government.
07:17Mr. Shahbaz Sharif has made some changes for 3 months.
07:22For very few people.
07:23Meaning, salt in flour.
07:25The rest of the flour will go at a high rate.
07:27So, now the time has come to take everyone on a tariff.
07:30Either give targeted subsidy.
07:32You can't give targeted subsidy without any income support.
07:35So, the small ones.
07:37You give them solar and disintegrate them from the system.
07:41So, automatically, when electricity goes in your concentrated area, it doesn't break.
07:46So, you have to remodel it a little.
07:48Okay.
07:49Dr. Khalid Bin Waleed.
07:50He is talking about CSR.
07:51I am saying that the situation here.
07:53At the end of July, the bills that are going to come.
07:55I think there will be a situation up to CPR.
07:57What is your point of view on this?
07:59Do you want to add anything at the end?
08:02Look, you are absolutely right.
08:04The way the tariff has increased.
08:07The bills will come a lot.
08:09There was a suggestion in this.
08:11Last year also, we were researching from the CPI platform.
08:16It was that maybe the average billing should be started.
08:19In that, it was that the peak that is coming in the summer.
08:22It gets compensated with the winter.
08:25This is one thing.
08:26The second thing is that the innovative financial solutions of billing have come.
08:32If they are integrated through microfinance, then the cost can be reduced a little.
08:38The third thing is the targeted subsidy.
08:41Mr. Nizamil said that it should be there.
08:43With that, the financial instability can be eliminated.
08:45Okay.
08:46The third thing that I want to add here.
08:49If you want to do something immediately in this,
08:52I think along with privatization,
08:55whenever we talk about privatization,
08:57to privatize the discourse,
08:59we should also talk about market liberalization.
09:02And the role of the regulator,
09:04to effect it,
09:06from regulator to facilitator,
09:08that will not happen until it comes.
09:10Okay.
09:11Until the competitive environment comes,
09:13I think,
09:14stopgap arrangements can come in your sector.
09:18We cannot go towards a long-term sustained measure.
09:22And the fourth thing is that your financial instability
09:25is starting from your generation side.
09:27And along with the IPPs in your syntax,
09:30you need to understand their financial architecture.
09:35Okay.
09:36Got the point.
09:37You need to communicate more effectively with Chinese financial institutions.
09:40Okay.
09:41Mr. Hakan Ajeeb, towards the end,
09:42if you want to add something briefly,
09:44do you agree with Dr. Khalid Waleed?
09:46Look,
09:48look,
09:49until you understand and learn from books,
09:52until you add good HR,
09:55until the world's solutions,
09:58energy ministry,
09:59a good regulator,
10:01bringing cost of doing business down,
10:04bringing the demand in parity with the system we have right now,
10:08fixing our supply side,
10:11until you do all these things together,
10:14and no one has ever said that privatization is a panacea.
10:18But if you keep operations in state-run monopolies,
10:22in two-in-one companies,
10:24then it will be the same as what is happening in Pakistan.
10:26Okay.
10:27And this is also not right.
10:28The industrial feeders in Pakistan are given complete electricity.
10:32If we visit, we will also realize this.
10:35Okay.
10:36So these are real solutions.
10:37If we want to do patchwork,
10:39we will stand where we are standing today.
10:41It is our habit to do patchwork.
10:42What to do now?
10:43That is more convenient for us.
10:44Thank you so much.