'Unsecured A Border On Purpose': Tom Homan Slams Biden During Heritage Foundation Panel At The RNC

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At the Heritage Foundation 'Policy Fest' event at the RNC on Monday, former Acting ICE Director Tom Homan spoke about the southern border.

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00:01Thank you for being here.

00:02I really do appreciate it.

00:04I love this country.

00:05I want to fight for this country, and I know you do as well.

00:09One of the biggest issues that's out there is obviously about immigration.

00:12So I am really pleased to have two of the foremost experts on immigration and what's

00:19happening here.

00:20So I'm going to introduce Mark Morgan, a visiting fellow at Heritage's Border Security and Immigration

00:27Center and served as acting commissioner of the United States Customs and Border Protection

00:31in the Trump administration.

00:34We also have Tom Holman.

00:39He was the former acting director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and currently

00:44a visiting fellow at Heritage's Border Security and Immigration Center.

00:49So thanks so much for joining us.

00:50We're going to have a good discussion about what's going on, what's not going on.

00:55We're going to assume that you understand that securing our border is a problem.

01:01I don't think that's a hard sell with this audience and this understanding.

01:06We'll certainly get into and describe some statistics and numbers that are truly shocking

01:13by any metric.

01:16But we really want to talk about solutions and moving forward and what we should be doing.

01:23And that's the discussion that we want to have here today.

01:27And these two gentlemen have poured their hearts and souls and careers into making these

01:32things happen.

01:33And so we're just thrilled to have them and their service.

01:37And you'll see their love of country and their passion for this issue.

01:41They dedicated their lives to it and I think it's going to be a vibrant discussion.

01:45So with that, one of the things that I look at and I keep arguing for, and Tom, maybe

01:54we can start with you, but it just seems to me, why don't we start with enforcing the

02:01current law?

02:02Because right now, we're not enforcing the current law.

02:06No, you're exactly right.

02:08And that would fix a lot of problems, right?

02:10Because the law is clear.

02:12When you enter the country illegally without proper documentation, you shall be detained.

02:17That's what it says.

02:18Not maybe.

02:19Not think about it.

02:20Maybe you should just, you know, take asylum claims and parole them in the country.

02:24None of that.

02:25If they would enforce the current law and catch and release and actually enforce immigration

02:28law, let the Border Patrol do their national security job, a lot of this problem would

02:33be solved.

02:34This is not a resource issue.

02:35It is not a legal issue.

02:37It's a policy issue.

02:38This administration chooses not only to ignore the law, but they're actively violating the

02:43law on the misuse of parole policy.

02:45You know, if I can footstep on this, I actually steal Tom's line all the time, because Tom

02:49and I were there under President Trump.

02:51We had the most secure border in our nation's history under President Trump.

02:58And to Tom's point, a policy issue.

03:00President Biden came in within the first few days, issued over 94 executive orders that

03:05dismantled, destroyed, and disrupted the network of tools, authorities, and policies

03:09that President Trump gave us to achieve the most secure border.

03:13Our current president right now intentionally unsecured the border.

03:18That's why we're here right now.

03:19And let me, you know, you know this is going to happen.

03:24We can't shut up.

03:25But, you know, I go across the country speaking, and people always walk up to me, Tom, why

03:29are you, why are you always pissed off?

03:32Because I'm pissed off.

03:33Because Mark said it right.

03:34You know, I started in Border Patrol in 1984.

03:37I spent 34 years on the border issues.

03:40I worked for six presidents, starting with Ronald Reagan up to Donald Trump.

03:44Every president I worked for, even Clinton and Obama, took steps to secure the border,

03:48because they understood you can't possibly have national security if you don't have border

03:52security.

03:53We need to know who's coming in, what's coming in, why it's coming in, where it's coming

03:55in.

03:57President Biden's the first president in the history of this nation who came into office

04:03and unsecured a border on purpose.

04:06That has resulted in historic illegal immigration, historic drug flow, historic sex trafficking

04:12of women and children, historic number of people off the terrorist watch list crossing

04:16the border.

04:17And they want to attack the Trump administration, oh, Homan, Trump, you're racist, you're inhumane.

04:22Really?

04:23Well, let's look at the data.

04:24Under Trump, four years, 13 people on the terrorist watch list.

04:29Biden, three and a half, 376.

04:33Women and children, sex trafficking up 600%.

04:36We got 140,000 dead Americans of fentanyl.

04:40This administration is not only killing Americans at record numbers from the fentanyl smuggling,

04:44they've killed illegal aliens at record numbers.

04:47We're already over 2,200 illegal aliens dying crossing this border.

04:50So when Trump had illegal immigration down 83 to 90%, when 90% less people were coming,

04:57how many women weren't being raped by the cartels?

04:59How many children didn't die in the river?

05:01How many no-inspect terrorists didn't get into the country because the border's secure?

05:06How many Americans weren't dying?

05:08How many billions of dollars did cartels not make?

05:11President Trump's policies saved lives.

05:12He was one badass president that did the right thing for this country, and I can't wait for

05:17him to get back.

05:18Yeah.

05:19Look, Tom and I served the same time, six presidents, both Republican and Democrat.

05:27I, too, every single day, and I'm already feeling myself getting fired up and pissed

05:30off right now because, look, just mention a couple of names.

05:34Laken Riley, say her name, say her name, right, was killed by an illegal alien.

05:39Her life was taken away.

05:40Say Rachel Moran, say her name, a mother of five, 37 years old, that was savagely raped

05:46and killed by an illegal alien.

05:48I could go on.

05:49We could spend the next hour talking about the Americans that have died at the hands

05:53of individuals.

05:54We actually have Democrats on Capitol Hill that want to talk about, well, Americans kill

05:58people, too.

05:59Are you kidding me?

06:00That's the litmus test?

06:02How about this?

06:03An illegal alien, the reason why it's so different is because it shouldn't happen because they

06:09shouldn't be here, right?

06:14But this administration intentionally unsecured the border, and Secretary Mayorkas, how do

06:20we know he's lying when his lips are moving?

06:23He knows every single day, because of these open border policies, that border patrol agents

06:28are pulled off the front line, away from their law enforcement and national security mission.

06:32They're relegated to be a federal travel agency.

06:35We're literally handing operational control over to the cartels every single day so that

06:40criminals, murderers, rapists, pedophiles, aggravated felons, and gang members are pouring

06:44into this country.

06:46Drugs are pouring into this country.

06:47As Tom said last year, 108,000 Americans died from drug overdose and poisoning.

06:53Put that in perspective, that's more Americans than died from all the terrorist attacks in

06:58our nation's history, the Iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietnam wars combined.

07:05When is enough enough?

07:06Tom, we've got a lot of people in this country that came here illegally that need to be deported.

07:14When I was on the Judiciary Committee on the Immigration Subcommittee, I asked to be

07:19on that because I really wanted to dive into it, Democrats will say, oh, we care about

07:24this, we need to do legislation, the only way to solve this is we've got to have a legislative

07:28fix.

07:29Well, when Zoe Lofgren in the House of Representatives was the chairwoman of the Subcommittee on

07:33Immigration, of which I was there, guess how many hearings they had, how many things that

07:38they did on this?

07:39Two.

07:40One was for a class photo, and the other was literally, it's not, this is actually what

07:46happened, the person that came and testified about immigration was Stephen Colbert.

07:53They literally brought Stephen Colbert into, no other hearings, no proposed legislation,

07:58and remember, the Biden-Harris administration, with Kamala Harris being the border czar,

08:06they had the House, the Senate, and the Presidency, they had all three levers of power.

08:12Did they introduce legislation?

08:13You know, you hear Joe Biden now, you hear the President talk about, you know, I've,

08:17since day one, I've been pushing this immigration.

08:19Why didn't they move that bill?

08:21Why didn't they actually do it?

08:23It's because what these gentlemen are telling you is true, which is they wanted an open

08:27border, but now we have a lot of nefarious people here.

08:31Don't think that these are all just, oh, the woman just wants to, you know, clean houses

08:35and work at Taco Bell.

08:37That's what you hear, and you hear Jerry Nadler literally say, we gotta be able to pick the

08:42fruit in this country.

08:44But the people that are here illegally, that nefariously didn't go through the port, explain

08:49to, explain the policy, because if you want to claim asylum, you're supposed to be able

08:55to come through the port of entry, but now, Tom, that we have these people that are here

09:02committing crimes, explain to them how bad the situation is, because you have these sanctuary

09:08states, sanctuary cities, in New York, for instance, I keep complaining about this.

09:13Look, they're, they're moaning and groaning in Boston and New York and in other places

09:17in Minnesota saying, oh, we don't have the resources, we got all these people, and Ron

09:22DeSantis sent people to not, to Nantucket, for goodness sake, you know, how bad is that?

09:28And thank goodness for Governor Abbott actually dispersing people out to, you know, where

09:33they actually want to go, and they're going to go anyway.

09:36But guess what?

09:37Now they're claiming they need all these resources, but they have not taken down their sanctuary

09:43city status, their sanctuary state status, and consequently, they're not communicating

09:49and working with ICE, even on the most nefarious, worst criminals that are out there.

09:54Well, you're exactly right.

09:56Sanctuary cities are sanctuaries for criminals.

09:59The last eight terrorists that were just arrested, eight people that were planning a terrorist

10:03attack, along with all these murders Mark just mentioned, what's the common denominator?

10:08Every one in the sanctuary city, New York, Philadelphia, Los Angeles.

10:12But I want to first, I want to talk about something, because I made a comment about

10:15this the other day, and the left went crazy.

10:17I got all these inputs, do you want to, do you want to explain the statement you're making?

10:21Here's the statement I made, and I'll make it to you here today.

10:23So the meeting room, you can double down on it.

10:26They say, you know, my wife come running downstairs several years ago and says, look at the hit

10:30piece Washington posted on you.

10:32And it was a story, and the first line of the story says, Tom Holman deports people,

10:36and he's really good at it.

10:37My wife says, look at this hit piece.

10:39I carved it out and it's hanging on my wall right now in my office.

10:42That's a badge of honor, because I did my job.

10:45So last week I made a statement, you ain't seen nothing yet, wait till 2025.

10:50So I said it, I meant it, you can go ahead and print it.

10:55What I really want to draw, we have to, look, people say, well, Trump's threatening this

11:00historic deportation operation, he's going to build concentration camps, he's going to

11:04sweep neighborhoods.

11:05Let me be clear, none of that will happen.

11:09We are going to have an historic deportation operation, because you got an historic illegal

11:14migration crossing the southern border.

11:16If you look at immigration court data, nine out of ten, nearly nine out of ten of these

11:20people won't get asylum, because they don't qualify.

11:23So they're going to be ordered removed, they'll get a federal order saying you must leave.

11:28What is the option?

11:29We have to execute those orders, or you know what, just shut down the immigration court.

11:33Take the border, take the border patrol off the border, what the hell are we doing?

11:37So when they get due process, that billions of dollars of taxpayers' money, and a federal

11:41judge says you must go home, the Trump administration is going to make them go home, and it's going

11:47to require an historic deportation operation.

11:50We're not going to sweep neighborhoods, you know, we're not building concentration camps.

11:55Every person that ICE arrests, when I was ICE director, 91% of everybody arrested was

11:59convicted criminal, pending criminal charges, or a fugitive.

12:02Bottom line is, under President Trump, he's still going to prioritize national security

12:07threats and criminals, but no one's off the table.

12:11If you're in the country legally, it's not okay.

12:13If you're in the country legally, you better be looking over your shoulder, because it's

12:17not okay to enter this country legally.

12:19It's a crime to enter the country legally.

12:21And I'll say this, I'm sick and tired of people saying illegal aliens commit less crimes than

12:25U.S. citizens.

12:27That Cato study has more flaws than if you read it personally, they combine illegal aliens

12:31with legal aliens.

12:33Most illegal aliens come to this country are pretty law-abiding, first of all.

12:35But the bottom line is, every illegal alien is a criminal.

12:38They enter the country in violation of federal law.

12:40It's a crime to enter this country legally, so the number one crime right there, right?

12:44So as far as Kamala Harris is concerned, I'll show her how to be a Bordezar.

12:53Looking forward to it.

12:54Well, look, and to foot-stomp on that, here's what's important.

12:59We have to take back the narrative, because the narrative is that what's happened on our

13:02border is about immigration.

13:05That's a lie.

13:06It's a lie.

13:07It's not about immigration.

13:08What's happened on our border is about border security, which our ability to secure and

13:12defend and protect our borders is degraded by illegal immigration.

13:18Illegal immigration and immigration are not the same thing.

13:21If you and I go to a grocery store, and we go shopping, you fill your cart full of groceries,

13:25and you go out to check us down and pay and go to the parking lot, I go into that same

13:29grocery store, and I fill my cart full of groceries, but I go past the checkout line,

13:33I don't pay, and I meet you in the grocery store, and somebody asks us what we did.

13:37They both say we went grocery shopping.

13:39No, you did.

13:40I committed a crime, right?

13:43And here's what's important.

13:44Illegal immigration is not a victimless crime.

13:47Every single illegal alien means that's one more resource, again, that's pulled off their

13:52law enforcement, away from their national security mission.

13:55We hand operational control back to the cartels.

13:57With respect to drugs, I'm so sick and tired of the BS lie that illegal aliens commit less

14:04crimes than Americans.

14:06First of all, that's just a stupid litmus test, right?

14:10So because one demographic supposedly commits less crime, somehow it's not an issue?

14:15That's just stupid, right?

14:17But here's why it's false.

14:19Let me give you just a couple of stats.

14:20The first three years of this administration, ICE arrested 163,000 criminal illegal aliens

14:26in this country, including 4,700 murderers and 8,000 gang members.

14:32Texas, DPS alone, from 2011 to 2024, arrested over 300,000 criminal illegal aliens and charged

14:39them with over 500,000 crimes, including over 1,000 homicides, 1,400 kidnappings, and 60,000

14:48assaults.

14:49In the first three years of this administration, Border Patrol has apprehended over 48,000

14:54criminal illegal aliens, including murderers, rapists, pedophiles, aggravated felons, and

14:59gang members from 180 different countries.

15:02To put that in perspective, that's a 99% increase from FY17 to FY20 combined.

15:10So don't tell me that this is a one-off.

15:13Don't tell me that Lake and Riley murder or Rachel Moran's murder is a one-off, because

15:17it's not.

15:18It's a lie.

15:19And on the terrorism front, it's not a matter of if or when the terrorist threat comes to

15:23our country.

15:24Ladies and gentlemen, it's already here.

15:28And so part of the largest deportation effort that we need to do, here's why we need to

15:32do it.

15:33Because we need to send a strong message to the entire world that Tom said, one, it's

15:38not OK to illegally enter this country, which jeopardizes our nation's safety and national

15:43security.

15:44But if somehow you get past our frontline defenses, you're not going to stay.

15:48We're going to find you.

15:50That's going to send a strong deterrence message.

15:52And history has shown, when we have strong border security on the physical border, backed

15:56up with effective policy to remove people, illegal immigration will go down.

16:01Once that happens, our border will be secure, I promise you.

16:06Mark, I want to come back to you, because one of the things I saw when I was on the

16:12Judiciary Committee is that pretty quickly into the Obama administration, they've started

16:17to redefine their interpretation of what asylum is.

16:22Maybe you can walk us through what true asylum is, and how it has morphed into pretty much

16:28anything that the first Obama administration, and now the Biden administration, wants it

16:33to be.

16:34It's a great question.

16:35So we're talking about solutions right now, and listen, look, I'm not trying to blow smoke

16:40your way, but one of the solutions is we need him back, right?

16:46I know this man, I'm serious.

16:47I know this man.

16:48We both know him.

16:49And he was on the right side of the issue.

16:50I know this man.

16:51I know this man.

16:52I know this man.

16:53He was on the right side of the issue the entire time he was there.

16:56He was one of the few people that spoke with honesty and clarity and common sense.

17:01Look, I'm critical on both sides of the aisle.

17:03Remember, even under the Trump administration, the Republicans had the House and the Senate

17:07for the two years, and not a single piece of meaningful border security legislation

17:11got passed.

17:12So there is plenty of blame to go around.

17:14There's plenty of rhinos there.

17:15This man was not one of them.

17:17But asylum, here's something we just completely forget about.

17:20Here's lawful asylum.

17:22You're fleeing persecution because of your involvement in a protected class.

17:27That's it.

17:28Right now, as Tom said, we know that over 90% of those that are coming to our country,

17:33especially those that are illegally entering, do not qualify for asylum.

17:37This administration knows it, Secretary Mayorkas knows it, but every single day, he's still

17:42releasing people in this country in defiance of the law when he knows that over 90% of

17:49them do not qualify for asylum.

17:51And after the release in the United States, very few are actually removed.

17:56And so it's a big lie on top of a big lie.

17:59And we go back.

18:00What's the solution?

18:01Jason, it's what you started.

18:03Let's just enforce the law.

18:04But this administration, this is why Secretary Mayorkas was impeached.

18:08This man as well as this administration, they look at congressional laws that have been

18:11passed as a mere advisory opinion.

18:15It's unbelievable.

18:16The founding principles of our Constitution but separate but co-equal branches of a government

18:20is irrelevant to them.

18:22Secretary Mayorkas, we don't have enough time to go through all the laws that he continues

18:27to violate every single day, and enforcing asylum is just one of those.

18:32You know, one of the criticisms, Tom, is, oh, you're being so mean.

18:36You're being just, you know, you're not being nice enough.

18:39But it is absolutely stunning to me that we have by the tens of thousands, if not more,

18:45unaccompanied minors that are being exploited.

18:49They're being brought through.

18:51We don't know where they are.

18:52We don't know whose hands they're in.

18:54And these are minors.

18:55We're talking, like, 12-year-old girls.

18:58Explain to us the problem and then, more importantly, what's the solution to this?

19:02Well, first of all, there's a lot of people, I mean, I'm hated by a big part of this country.

19:07And frankly, I don't give a shit.

19:09Because...

19:11Now, for the record, for the record, I was betting that Mark was going to swear before

19:16Tom, so...

19:17I almost did.

19:18I lost that bet.

19:19But continue on.

19:20No, I just don't.

19:21I just don't.

19:22Because if they wore my shoes for 34 years, they would understand me.

19:26And a lot of them would agree with me.

19:27Look, I've told this story many times, and we get to children.

19:31You know, I know what it's like to get on my knees and talk to a 9-year-old little girl

19:40who had everything innocent and stolen from her, because she's gang-raped by these cartel

19:45members.

19:46I've talked to numerous young ladies, as young as 9, who live a nightmare, because that was

19:55part of the fee for coming across this border.

19:58I'm talking to you right now.

20:00Let's put politics aside for a minute.

20:02While I'm talking to you right now, women are being raped by members of the cartel to

20:07cross this border.

20:09Not once, numerous times.

20:12A child will die today on the border.

20:17Women and children are going to be smuggled in this country and forced into sex trafficking.

20:20We already found a bunch of kids working in a meatpacking plant, cleaning up entrails

20:26at midnight shift, not getting paid a dime because they were trafficked.

20:30We got 100,000 missing children.

20:33Now people want to attack myself and President Trump over family separation.

20:37Let me be clear on this.

20:40It was zero tolerance.

20:42The reason it was done is to try to save some lives.

20:46Maybe less women get raped.

20:48Maybe less children will die crossing this border if we prosecute those for entering

20:54the country illegally, which is a crime.

20:57Prosecute them and maybe it'll slow down.

21:00Maybe less women get — children get raped.

21:02Maybe less people die if there's a consequence.

21:05It wasn't about separation.

21:06It wasn't about punishing anybody.

21:08It's about saving lives.

21:10But then let's just turn around to this family separation, ripping a baby out of a mother's

21:14arms.

21:15Let me tell you something, law enforcement across this country does it thousands of times

21:20a day.

21:21When I was a cop, I separated families many times in New York.

21:24It's sad.

21:25You don't want to do it.

21:26When you arrest a parent and lock them up, the kid can't go with them.

21:29That was the whole purpose, to save lives.

21:32Less death.

21:33But they want to keep pointing to that.

21:35In the meantime, over 400,000 children have been smuggled into this country in the hands

21:40of criminal cartels.

21:41Self-separated from their families, put in the hands of criminal cartels.

21:45I just told you what a lot of these children go through.

21:48This government, Secretary Becerra of HHS, he was bragging two months ago, I watched

21:52him, bragging how quick they release these children from custody.

21:56No kidding.

21:57The vetting is a fraction of what the Trump administration did.

22:01We did DNA testing.

22:03They're releasing kids and now they can't find 100,000 of them?

22:07Let me tell you, based on my 34 years investigating this type of crime, many of these children

22:11are living with pedophiles.

22:12Many of these children are going and showing up in pornographic movies.

22:15Many of these children are forced labor.

22:16Do not tell me that this administration's policies is humane.

22:21I said it before, they're killing Americans at record numbers, they're killing migrants

22:24at record numbers, and they're causing a sex trade of children that are undeniable.

22:31Anybody can look at the data.

22:34When you wear my shoes, you stand back a tractor-trailer with 19 dead people at your feet, including

22:39a five-year-old little boy who begged to death.

22:42Every one of them in their underwear because they're trying to get some relief from the

22:45heat.

22:47I smelled it.

22:49I tasted it.

22:51It changed me forever because these people suffered a terrible, horrific death.

22:58When Trump had immigration down 90%, less of this stuff was happening.

23:04And why am I pissed?

23:06Because this administration came in and unsecured a border.

23:08Deaths are skyrocketing, rapes are skyrocketing, and we shouldn't be okay with that.

23:14So come at me all you want, hate me all you want.

23:17I'm doing the right thing for the right reasons.

23:20I love this country.

23:21I think President Trump's the greatest president I've ever worked for, and I can't wait for

23:26him to work for me — work for him again, because he will secure this border.

23:31Mark, look —

23:32Look, I got — I got to foot stomp a couple of things here.

23:36Every single time — I've heard Tom speak about those experiences, and every single

23:40time I still get chills, and then I get angry, and I get pissed off.

23:44My challenge to the liberal media back there — how many times have you mentioned under

23:50this presidency the 2,000 dead migrants that CBP has recovered?

23:56How many times?

23:57The number's zero.

23:58Zero.

24:00And that doesn't include the deaths in Mexico.

24:03That doesn't include the deaths in the Darien Gap, one of the most inhospitable places on

24:07the face of the planet.

24:10We know that Doctors Without Borders said up to 30 percent of young women and children

24:14are sexually assaulted or raped on the journey up here.

24:17I too have talked to countless border patrol agents and other law enforcement professionals

24:22on the border who tell me that they've interviewed a 12-year-old girl who raped — that she

24:26was — who encountered that she was raped multiple times.

24:30Or a 10-year-old who — they were going through her backpack and pills fell down on the ground,

24:35and they said, what is this?

24:36It's a morning-after pill.

24:37Where'd you get those?

24:38My mother gave them to me because she was expecting that I was going to be raped.

24:44How many times have you heard the liberal media talk about that truth?

24:50The answer is zero.

24:53And that's why you get frustrated.

24:55Tom is absolutely right.

24:56There's no safe, orderly, and humane illegal immigration process.

25:03That's an oxymoron.

25:04It doesn't exist.

25:05That's what this secretary and that's what this administration tries to get this country

25:09to believe, and it's all a lie.

25:13But we never hear about that.

25:16We never hear about — you know, how many times have we heard about a fentanyl overdose?

25:23Remember about a year and a half ago when the cadets from West Point went down to Florida

25:28and they took some cocaine?

25:29That was a mistake.

25:31But unbeknownst to them, it was laced with fentanyl, and a couple of them died.

25:35I read about a dozen reports of that.

25:37You know all but one, all but one never even mentioned that the fentanyl comes from the

25:42southwest border.

25:44We have illegal aliens that are apprehended inside the country that commit heinous acts

25:49against America, and we have law enforcement agencies in sanctuary cities that refuse to

25:54tell you that the crime was committed by an illegal alien.

25:58The liberal media is complicit in that, and I believe they hide that information from

26:02the American people to cover for this administration with respect to the magnitude of the chaos

26:08and lawlessness on our border that jeopardizes every aspect of our nation's economic, safety,

26:13and national security.

26:15Tom, I want to talk about the border itself, the idea of a border wall, and the idea that

26:25Remain in Mexico, you know, it's miraculous.

26:28I thought that President Trump negotiated and pulled that off, but it makes a lot of

26:32sense to me.

26:34Give us your perspective on how to actually secure the border itself.

26:39You want to secure the border?

26:41We have to obey everyone in Trump's policies.

26:42You do it in a week.

26:43The wall.

26:44I'll let Mark talk about the wall.

26:45I'll pass it over to him in a minute.

26:50The wall works.

26:52Every place they build a border barrier, illegal immigration went down, illegal drug flow went

26:56down, and guess what?

26:58Walls save lives.

26:59Because the people I'm talking about, the most vulnerable, the women and children, they're

27:02not getting over that wall.

27:03They're going to go to a place where there's not a wall.

27:05And what's waiting for them?

27:07The 20,000 American patriots wearing that green uniform who will take care of the humanitarian

27:11and medical needs.

27:12These are, let me touch on this, 20,000 men wearing that uniform, men and women wearing

27:18uniform are national heroes who were slandered by the Secretary of Homeland Security and

27:22the President of the United States at the White House podium for whipping black migrants.

27:26I watched that video.

27:28It took me a minute to figure out they didn't do anything wrong.

27:31They did exactly as they were trained.

27:33The horses did exactly as they were trained.

27:35The only one who did anything wrong that day were the Haitian migrants who came across

27:38the country illegally, which is a crime, ignored a federal order to take action, which is a

27:44felony.

27:45And no one talked about that.

27:46These men, to this day, Jason, their careers aren't the same.

27:49Their families and children were bullied in churches and schools, that your father's a

27:53racist.

27:54And to this day, no apologies, and these men still aren't 100% back to duty yet.

27:58I got off the subject, but I just want to bring it up.

28:00This is an important part because it was actually the Heritage Foundation, the Oversight Project,

28:05that pushed to get the Freedom of Information Act and exposed the idea that Secretary Mayorkas

28:11knew that this wasn't true even before he commented publicly on it.

28:15And what they put those Border Patrol agents through—

28:18It was incredible.

28:19I wore that uniform.

28:20It's the proudest moment, days of my life, wearing that green uniform.

28:22All right, let's get Mark—

28:23I need to—

28:24We're running out of time here.

28:25Remain in Mexico real quick, though.

28:26Okay.

28:27Remain in Mexico is a game-changer.

28:29People can still claim asylum, but they're going to wait in Mexico.

28:32Hey, if you win asylum, welcome to the United States.

28:34If you don't, we're not going to look for you, we're not going to remove you, because

28:37we know nine out of ten will get order removal.

28:39And the DHS Secretary's report, the lifestyle report, says only 6% leave that they get order

28:44removal if they're not in custody.

28:46So it's a game-changer.

28:47It worked.

28:48These policies work again.

28:49Mark, I want you to talk about the wall, because you built 465 miles of wall.

28:52Yeah, Tom, I know we've got to be quick here.

28:54So the wall—

28:55Here's— I want to mention a couple of things that shows the hypocrisy, right?

28:59So to be clear, and again, a lot of liberal media—

29:02You're never going to hear this from them, but we actually started building the wall

29:06under the Clinton administration.

29:07Did you know that?

29:08Yeah.

29:09It just sucked, but we were building infrastructure.

29:11It was then that we actually started— the Border Patrol, on their own, started to develop—

29:16and this is back in the early 90s— the multilayer strategy of infrastructure, technology, and

29:21personnel.

29:22And everywhere where we applied that multilayer strategy in the border, every single measure

29:26of success increased.

29:28After 9-11, the 2000 Secure Fence Act came, which actually codified that multilayer strategy,

29:34again, of infrastructure, technology, and personnel.

29:37And we had 85% of senators vote for the 2000 Secure Fence Act, including then-senators

29:43Biden, Clinton, Obama, I could— Schumer— the list goes on.

29:48And part of that mandate was— wait for it— to build 634 miles of wall in the 2000 Secure

29:55Fence Act.

29:56How many times do you hear about that anymore?

29:57In fact, the first two years of the Obama administration, we built 134 miles of wall.

30:04And now, President Trump comes along, and all of a sudden, it's immoral, effective,

30:08and racist.

30:09Right?

30:10It's a big lie.

30:11You've been lied to intentionally for the past three and a half years.

30:16It's a big scam.

30:18It's a big lie to villainize Trump and to actually further their agenda.

30:23But what we did, what Trump gave us, as Tom mentioned, he gave us those tools.

30:27And it wasn't just a wall.

30:28It was a wall system.

30:29It wasn't just steel and concrete in the ground, but it was integrated technology we had, state-of-the-art

30:34technology, access roads, lighting— the list goes on and on.

30:38But we didn't have— the Border Patrol agents didn't have to choose because we weren't just

30:41giving them infrastructure.

30:42We were giving them technology as personnel as well.

30:45And every single mile where we had that strategy, the border was secure.

30:51We have just five minutes left.

30:55The backlog that is now facing— I mean, now that there's so many people here, one of the

31:02things I was deeply concerned about is these administrative courts where the adjudication

31:07process happens.

31:09I was on the Judiciary Committee in the House of Representatives.

31:12I wanted to go watch one of these cases.

31:15They wouldn't allow me to go.

31:17I said, you want me to work to reauthorize these courts and to fund these courts?

31:21You won't even let me see it?

31:23They're not available for you as the American people to look at it.

31:26And that is so counter to how the American system should be.

31:31If you're going to court, you should be able to watch that and be able to see that and

31:35go watch it yourself.

31:37But now that we have, I don't know how many people in the backlog, there are people that

31:43are getting court dates that are nine years out.

31:46That was part of their plan.

31:50That's a part of their plan.

31:51They want to overwhelm the system to put court hearings back seven, eight years, knowing

31:55that 90% will lose, get order removal.

31:57But by then, they got two USC kids.

32:00They own a home.

32:01They have equities.

32:02That even when I was an ICE director, I had Republican senators call me and say, why'd

32:05you remove that guy with two USC kids?

32:07Well, he didn't have two USC kids to enter the country legally.

32:11He didn't have two USC kids who got ordered to move because he successfully hid out long

32:14enough.

32:15Now he's immune.

32:16The corridor doesn't mean anything.

32:18No.

32:19Under the next administration, all that garbage won't change.

32:22First of all, there needs to be an immigration officer in every immigration court.

32:25So when these are removed, put the cuffs on and remove them.

32:29Don't wait and don't release them.

32:30You got to take custody.

32:31But that is their plan.

32:33And we just saw it.

32:35Now they're going to get parole in place to a half a million people that have been here

32:39for more than 10 years.

32:41That is their plan.

32:42Overwhelm the system.

32:43Let them build equities and have U.S. citizen children.

32:45Then all of a sudden, I even get pushed back from the Republican side of the House on deporting

32:49people.

32:50Let me be clear on this.

32:52I'm going to double down on it.

32:54This isn't just a Democrat problem.

32:56We have some Republican congressmen, and I said it on TV not too long ago, for every

33:01Republican congressman who didn't vote to impeach Mayorkas, he shouldn't be there.

33:06They all be gone.

33:10So we got to take control of the immigration courts.

33:12We need a strong president, and I know who the strong president is, is President Trump.

33:17There was countries who wouldn't take their people back, and they're having that problem

33:20right now with China.

33:22But President Trump didn't take that.

33:23I sat in the Oval Office while he called presidents of these countries and said, you're going

33:25to take them back, or I'm going to pull every dollar of international aid away from you.

33:30And guess what?

33:31Within 48 hours, we have plane loads going to those countries.

33:34President Trump thought out of the box.

33:36He said, Tom, how do we deal with these inculturated countries, and how do we deal with this?

33:39I said, well, every administration, every administration sends billions of dollars down

33:42there to create opportunity zones so these people don't have to leave.

33:46How does that work, though?

33:47It doesn't work.

33:48Because these countries are corrupt, never get to where it needs to go, and the people

33:51want to come to the greatest nation on Earth.

33:52He goes, OK, well, I'm not going to give him a dollar.

33:55I'm going to start taking money away.

33:56When he started taking money away, you've got the Remain in Mexico program, military

33:59on the northern and southern border, you've got the Third Safe Country Agreements.

34:03President Trump, he put America first, and he called these countries and said, you're

34:06going to do this for not only your own good, but for the good of this nation, or I'm going

34:11to penalize you.

34:12And it works.

34:13We need a strong president with a backbone that's going to do that.

34:15So talk about strength, right?

34:18Forever, the most iconic picture I think is going to go down in the history of this country.

34:23After President Trump was shot in the head, what does he do?

34:27Fist bump and says, fight, fight, fight, right?

34:31That's the strength of the man that Tom and I, Jason, know.

34:35That's the strength of the man we know.

34:36And to give you an example, so the Remain in Mexico program that Jason mentioned, the

34:40most successful, one of the most successful policies, it reduced illegal immigration by

34:4385 percent.

34:45You know how we got that done?

34:47President Trump sent out a tweet, right, that said, Mexico, you're going to support

34:51this, or I'm going to come down with tariffs, and I'm going to destroy your GDP.

34:55Shocker, the next night, the president said, I'm all in.

34:59That's the strength we need from the president of the United States.

35:03And I want to — I know we got a minute, let me — I want to share this with you.

35:10When you get home tonight, I want you to think about what I said.

35:15People are dying every day on that border.

35:17Women and children are getting sexually assaulted on that border every day.

35:22People, this isn't a political issue.

35:25This would be a, this would be a non-bipartisan — every Republican, Democrat, Independent

35:31should be for border security.

35:32I say this all the time, what's the downside on a secure border?

35:36What's the downside on less drugs?

35:37What's the downside on less terrorism?

35:39What's the downside on less sex trafficking?

35:41There's no downside.

35:43Everybody should want to secure this border.

35:45And we're going to have a president in January 2025 who's going to do just that.

35:53This portion of the program is — and I just want to leave you one thought.

35:57The people that we're failing are the people that are trying to come here legally and lawfully.

36:01The people who are willing to do it the right way, they're coming in line, you know what,

36:05they get bypassed.

36:06They are the ones that we're failing.

36:12And if you come here legally and lawfully, you can be welcomed into this country.

36:16There is a uniform rule.

36:19There is a uniform way to actually go through the process.

36:24And so don't think for a moment that Republicans or the right or whatever is anti-immigration.

36:31It's what Mark said earlier.

36:33There's a legal path and there's an illegal path.

36:36And what we stand for, what I personally believe, I should say, is that you've got

36:41to do it legally and lawfully.

36:43And if you're doing something illegally and you're getting every metric going the wrong

36:47direction, you have to change that.

36:49So thank you so much.

36:50Tom Homan, Mark Morgan.

36:52Thanks.

36:53Same way?

36:54Thanks, guys.

36:55Yep.

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