"PTI ready to step down from KP assembly", Aon Abbas reacts to Fazal ur Rehman's statement

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00:00Mr. Abhi, first of all, please clarify this.

00:02Mr. Maulana has said that you are ready to give your resignation.

00:07Is that true or is that not true?

00:09I seek refuge in Allah from the accursed Satan. In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.

00:11Look, Bibi, you probably have an idea that our history with Mr. Maulana's Jama'at is very bad.

00:15Our political history was not good.

00:17Having said that, in the current situation,

00:19at least we two Jama'ats are standing together against this government.

00:23There is no other dialogue in this.

00:24We both are standing on a common ground on the issue of our mandate.

00:28So, we will stand together in the protest against him.

00:31But this talk about resignation is a surprise to me.

00:35A surprise in the sense that this talk was met with Mr. Asad Qais.

00:39But in any political forum, our political committee did not discuss this issue.

00:44Nor did the political committee send this recommendation to Mr. Khan.

00:48And nor did they issue any instruction regarding this.

00:51So, this can happen in the initial stages.

00:53Having said that, I will tell you on a lighter note.

00:57Our experience with these leaders was not so good.

01:00The current regime in Pakistan, which is the mindset of the establishment,

01:04has already run the government for a year without 130 members of the National Assembly.

01:08So, does that mean, Mr. Anand, Mr. Senaq,

01:11does that mean that Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf,

01:13the resignations that they had made,

01:15the Punjab Assembly was broken, the AKP Assembly was broken,

01:17against which Mr. Parvez Ilahi clearly said not to do this.

01:20Does PTI regret that step?

01:22Look, let me explain.

01:23Look, you learn from your experience.

01:25But we went by book.

01:27In Pakistan, if you resign,

01:29and 130 members of the National Assembly are not present,

01:31one-third are not present,

01:32then ultimately, either elections are held on it,

01:34or the Assembly is dissolved.

01:35Let's leave our resignations.

01:37When we left the KP Government and the Punjab Assembly,

01:39then the 60-day election is written in the constitution.

01:41But because there is a constitution in Pakistan,

01:45then the elections in October will be held in February.

01:47So, after this, if, for example,

01:49let's move on to Mr. Maulana's point,

01:51that free and fair elections will be held.

01:53If you look at this election commissioner,

01:55he suddenly disappeared on the night of 8th February at 11 o'clock,

01:58and when he came at 2 o'clock, he was sweating profusely.

02:00If anyone had been in his place,

02:01he would have sat in the red zone.

02:03So, ultimately, he would have done what he was told.

02:05So, in these circumstances,

02:06with this mindset, which free and fair elections will be held?

02:08So, you are saying that there is no situation with the resignations?

02:10In all these circumstances, I don't see

02:12that SDFO's option or a new election can be held in this setup,

02:16and it will be a viable option.

02:18Got you.

02:19Mr. Maulana, the problem is that

02:20there should be a conversation at this time.

02:22Even you agree with this.

02:23The government always says,

02:24let's have a conversation.

02:25At one place, you say, let's have a conversation.

02:26At another place, you say,

02:27let's put a ban on you.

02:28Let's put an article 6.

02:29Let's tell the Pakistan People's Party.

02:30Let's even announce it.

02:31I mean, so much controversy

02:33about a conversation.

02:35This is a very confusing situation.

02:37The government is also presenting a confusing picture.

02:39Look, the conversation is the government's responsibility

02:42to engage the opposition.

02:43And if you want to see a symbol of that responsibility,

02:46the Prime Minister stood on the floor of the House

02:48and said,

02:49let's sit together for the prosperity of the country

02:51and move forward.

02:53So, he gave that offer.

02:54And he is the Chief Executive of the Prime Minister's government.

02:57He heads the Cabinet.

02:58So, he rejected it.

02:59So, the matter of conversation is very clear from Mr. Khan

03:04that he is not interested in the conversation.

03:06From our side, we took a step forward.

03:09Not once, but many times.

03:10When we were in the opposition,

03:11Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif was the opposition leader.

03:14Even then, he talked about the Misar economy.

03:16Even then, he rejected it.

03:17So, the problem is with Mr. Khan.

03:18The thing that you said,

03:19that we...

03:20Look, that is the position of the government even today.

03:23In fact, it is the position of the PMLN.

03:25That this party

03:26does not want to bring political reforms in this country.

03:29Nor does it want to bring economic reforms in this country.

03:32And there is not a single evidence of that.

03:34There are dozens of evidences.

03:35And you can start with the ciphers.

03:37You can use foreign funding.

03:39But this instability goes in their favour.

03:42It goes against you.

03:43Whenever there is instability,

03:44it goes in the favour of the opposition.

03:45It goes against the government.

03:46The government has an option.

03:47Why are you putting your foot forward?

03:48The government has an option

03:49to put their hand forward.

03:50The government did that.

03:51I told you about the PMLN.

03:53And if a party becomes adamant

03:56that we should not let political reforms

03:58and economic reforms come in this country.

04:00We don't want to bring them.

04:01Then, definitely...

04:02This was one of his ways.

04:03This government...

04:04This was one of his ways.

04:05Maulana Fazlur Rehman is the head of the PDM.

04:07You talk to him.

04:08You didn't talk to him very seriously.

04:10That is why he was more inclined towards

04:13You talk to him.

04:14You make him an intermediary.

04:15He is talking to the PGI.

04:16He is talking to you.

04:17In between, he...

04:18There are many intermediaries.

04:20Take out this record.

04:22They made Mr. Zahir.

04:23Then they thought that

04:24if the conversation goes ahead,

04:25then we will take a U-turn from now.

04:27Before that, I...

04:28Mr. Bappi is listening.

04:30I challenge you.

04:31Take out...

04:32All the time Mr. Khan nominated for the conversation.

04:34Later, Mr. Khan took a U-turn.

04:36So, the conversation...

04:37Today, the atmosphere of polarization,

04:39the politics of hatred that exists today,

04:41he is the person responsible for it.

05:12Even if the IMF has to write a letter,

05:14if political instability has to be spread,

05:16then action on it.

05:17It becomes the government's duty.

05:18So, both these things go hand in hand.

05:20Sairon, you know,

05:22I know,

05:23Mr. Rana also knows

05:24that at this time,

05:25the conversation,

05:26or somehow,

05:27if there is a fixed point

05:29that there will be no politics on these issues,

05:31there will be matters of security,

05:33there will be matters of national security,

05:35there will be matters of economy,

05:36there will be politics for the sake of politics

05:38and for the sake of betterment of people,

05:40but there will be no politics for the sake of destruction.

05:42If this matter is decided,

05:44then there must be some way out.

05:46The government is saying,

05:47we have no way out.

05:48They don't see a way out

05:49how to talk to you.

05:51They don't see a way

05:52that if they try to talk to you,

05:53how will the matter be sustained?

05:55If Mr. Khan doesn't veto it tomorrow,

05:57then the situation has come to a standstill.

05:59I wish maths was as simple as you said.

06:02You could have drawn lines.

06:04We won't talk about securities,

06:06we won't talk about foreign policy,

06:08we won't do this and that.

06:09So can these lines be drawn for someone else

06:11that we won't come into politics,

06:13we won't interfere,

06:14we won't make governments,

06:15we won't make governments fall?

06:16These red lines should be drawn for everyone.

06:18These should not be drawn only for political parties.

06:20This is not about banning Pakistan's Tehreek-e-Islam.

06:23This has to be a total document for everybody to follow.

06:26Every power circle that exists in Pakistan,

06:29its TORs should be defined.

06:31This is your TOR,

06:32this is your TOR.

06:33It is not possible that our TORs are defined

06:35and then someone else's TOR is not defined.

06:37Forget it.

06:38Let's move ahead.

06:39What you said, Mr. Rana, was amazing.

06:41I want to ask you a question.

06:42When the Prime Minister was saying

06:44that let's talk about Moishad,

06:46didn't he remember what you were doing

06:48with the leader of this party?

06:50He was getting out of the Toshakhana case

06:52and was going to Saifar

06:53and after that he was going to the Idda case.

06:56You are keeping him with the leader of that political party

06:59and you are sitting and talking.

07:01The kind of relationship that was maintained

07:03with Bushra Appa and Mr. Khan in Diyala,

07:05do you really think we can talk to him?

07:06Our 102 people are currently in the military cases.

07:08It's been a year and they are still in the state.

07:12Military cases,

07:13civilians can go through military trials.

07:15There is no time to decide.

07:17The families of those 102 people

07:18are still sitting at home and tolerating

07:20that they should decide.

07:21The people's punishment has been fulfilled.

07:23They could have gone to the appeal.

07:24Do you want to talk to us about Moishad?

07:26Our entire leadership,

07:27Jinnah House,

07:28has been caught in Lahore.

07:29The bailout is being cancelled.

07:30What do you really expect?

07:31You put us against the wall

07:33and tell us to talk to you?

07:34What should we talk about?

07:35You have come to ban our party.

07:36Yes, ban it.

07:37Put an article 6 on Mr. Imran Khan,

07:39on RFLB, on Kasim Suri.

07:40This is confidence building.

07:42Mayur is from your side.

07:43You give me this guarantee,

07:45Mr. Anubhav Swapi.

07:46You give me this guarantee

07:47that if he does not take such steps,

07:50then you will talk

07:51and then you will be in trouble.

07:52There is no guarantee for this either.

07:54I will say it very clearly.

07:55Today, with Mr. Khan,

07:56there is no case on him.

07:58We all know that

07:59there is no case on Mr. Khan right now.

08:00Except for the case on 9th May,

08:02which happened a year ago.

08:04You have put a ban on it today.

08:06You first release Bushra Akha

08:07on confidence building.

08:08There is no case.

08:09This case is over.

08:10She is a free citizen.

08:11But you have held it

08:12so that Mr. Khan

08:13does not get pressurized.

08:15Leave her.

08:16At least start giving a gesture once.

08:18You end the people

08:19who are doing our military trials.

08:20If there are cases,

08:21if there are no punishments,

08:22then release them.

08:23Our leaders,

08:24at least you give some space.

08:25No, just because

08:26there is that power behind you

08:27which is the great power of powers.

08:28So you can do anything.

08:29Okay, you promise me.

08:30Mr. Anubhav Swapi,

08:31you promise me

08:32on behalf of PTI,

08:33that in future

08:34you will not get lost

08:35and you will not stand

08:36in front of that gate

08:37to give us government.

08:38Forever.

08:39The biggest pressure

08:40on a person

08:41is the ethical pressure.

08:42Today,

08:43they will take a step forward.

08:44We will be forced.

08:45We will also take a step forward.

08:46The people will force us.

08:47We have other issues.

08:48This is the issue

08:49of the people.

08:50We will also think

08:51that the government

08:52is doing something.

08:53We will also talk to them.

08:54For now,

08:55all are on their own.

08:56All the goodness

08:57should be expected from us.

08:58And he is sitting

08:59and starting playing

09:00with each other.

09:01Today,

09:02I was seeing

09:03the statements

09:04of Maryam Nawaz Sharif

09:05and Mr. Nawaz Sharif.

09:06The Supreme Court's

09:07decisions cannot be like this.

09:08This is exactly

09:09the same tenor

09:10that was in Gujranwala.

09:11I am sorry,

09:12I am cutting you short.

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