Justice Athar Minallah addresses in New York Bar | Kashif Abbasi's Bold Analysis
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Justice Athar Minallah addresses in New York Bar | Kashif Abbasi's Bold Analysis
Justice Athar Minallah addresses in New York Bar | Kashif Abbasi's Bold Analysis
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00:00You did a monologue for 2.5-3-4 hours, the night you had to take the vote of confidence.
00:06No confidence.
00:07You had to take no confidence.
00:08It was happening.
00:09It was a martial law environment.
00:11What kind of panic were you creating on TV?
00:14If you allow me, I will tell you a long story.
00:16We finished the program at 9.
00:18Me and one of our senior friends, we had to play a cricket match.
00:21Both of us used to play in the same team.
00:22So we both kept on talking on the phone all day, what to do, whether to go or not.
00:26The situation was such.
00:27At 9, we decided that the meeting will be postponed.
00:30If it goes on till tomorrow, then we both will go to play cricket match.
00:33At 10.30, I got a call from our President, Mr. Mahat Yusuf that the courts are open.
00:37I think it was around 10.15 in the morning.
00:40So we reached back.
00:41I remember, I was alone here because Arshad and Sabir were both in the Prime Minister's House.
00:45So I was sitting on the TV for 4 hours continuously till 2.30.
00:49I was very surprised to hear that Mr. Katharveen Lalla is saying that we have created an environment
00:53that a martial law is going to be imposed here.
00:55Absolutely wrong.
00:56If this report is done in other channels, if they say, then I will send them the footages
01:02that there is no news of denotifying anyone.
01:05There is no news of Mr. Imran Khan denotifying anyone.
01:07The news at that time was that the court was open.
01:10After that, Mr. Atharveen Lalla, Honorable Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court,
01:14then when one Arshad Sharif, may Allah give him a place in heaven, went to take bail.
01:20So he mentioned me again and again that Mr. Kashid said that the court was open.
01:23What kind of things were they saying?
01:26Then once I went, our channel was closed.
01:29He addressed me again directly and said that you keep saying that the court was open.
01:33Which Islamabad High Court was open?
01:35Today he is saying that Islamabad High Court was open.
01:37It was being said that Maulvi Iqbal Haider's petition had come and that General Wajahat should not be denotified.
01:44This is why Islamabad High Court was open.
01:46We were worried that what kind of environment is this in which everything is opening up day and night.
01:51And this is happening.
01:53I still remember the words.
01:55In fact, today we went to the archives and checked again.
01:57When I was told that the anchor asked a question,
02:00Wasim Badami and I were two people.
02:02Wasim was in Karachi and I was here.
02:04He said that the Supreme Court is open.
02:07Of course, it was a one-off.
02:09Still, we can wait for the next day.
02:10But when he said that Islamabad High Court is also open,
02:12I said that I have no words.
02:14Why is there so much helplessness in Islamabad at this time?
02:17What is happening that you have to open all the courts?
02:20What was the atmosphere?
02:21This was the news of the prison ban.
02:23Prisoners were standing.
02:25Yes, yes, these bans were standing.
02:27And these things were brought to put pressure on justice.
02:30At that time, when many of the most important people talked to them,
02:34You must have seen that the Speaker also backed off.
02:39The decision was also made at 12 o'clock in the night.
02:41And Ayaz Sadiq was also given.
02:43This pressure was being put that if you don't do this,
02:45then there will be contempt, you will also be arrested,
02:47this will also happen, that will also happen.
02:49We knew that this was happening, that pressure was being put.
02:52Is there any fear of Marshallah?
02:54What was happening that there was a fear of Marshall?
02:57The Supreme Court had given an order tonight.
02:59If there was no confidence that night,
03:02it would have happened the next day.
03:03Yes, but that's why I showed you all the newspapers of the whole date.
03:07The headlines were there.
03:08There was definitely an atmosphere.
03:09But you are saying that you did not contribute to this atmosphere.
03:12This was definitely there.
03:13This was definitely there that if it is denotified.
03:16This is also the news of some channels.
03:18If Asad Minala, Honorable Chief Justice of then Islamabad High Court.
03:23I send them videos.
03:25We then saw the whole thing today that did we really do something
03:29in which we are saying that there will be a Marshall law here.
03:32Nothing.
03:33So, Master, the four-hour long monologue of Kashtan Kobasi.
03:37You know that I am not the one to spread such fear and invite the public or endorse it.
03:43But I remember, Master, you and I were definitely on the roads.
03:46We left the assembly, then we were on the roads outside.
03:48Shuttling between PM house outside, going back to office.
03:51There was definitely an atmosphere of desperation and panic.
03:54But today, the Chief Justice admits that the court was open at that time of Islamabad High Court.
03:58And on the way to Marshall law, his prayer and hope that the courts will always be open.
04:02What is the guarantee of the then very strong courts and today of the equally or much stronger courts today?
04:09God forbid, you know, the situation ever came out of hand.
04:12Look, the first thing is that where Kashif will be, there will be chaos.
04:17In this, I am with the judge.
04:20But look at one thing, when it was a critical time that day, the judge was looking at the airway.
04:26Master, remember this.
04:28In his pyjamas.
04:31He was looking at the source of the problem.
04:33He was identifying it.
04:35No, look, I was also listening to Atal sir.
04:39He did two things.
04:41One, he caused a lot of damage to the PTI statement.
04:45Because the PTI statement was that the army had opened it and the intelligence agency had opened it.
04:52He was saying that he had seen the airway and opened it.
04:55So that statement went.
04:57The second one is very admirable.
04:59He is a progressive man.
05:00I like it very much.
05:02But when I was listening to it, I was listening to it with a lot of enthusiasm.
05:06When Musharraf removed it, the courts should have been open at that time as well.
05:10And he forgot that when Musharraf was in power, he was also a law minister in KP's government.
05:16And I wish he hadn't gone there either.
05:19That would have been better.
05:21So there are a lot of contradictions in his statements.
05:24But the issue is not of the past.
05:26The issue is of the future.
05:28Look, the current situation is that there is a lot of conflict.
05:35Everywhere, now look at Friday, there will be a nationwide strike.
05:40Whatever the PTI says, I was in the show with Zain Qureshi.
05:43I asked him again and again, who is this protest against?
05:47Is it against the government or against the army?
05:50Because you say that this government is irrelevant.
05:52It has no power or anything.
05:54We don't even talk to it, that's why we do it.
05:56Then it means that you are protesting against the army.
05:59The reality is that the image of the army is at stake.
06:04There are strikes every day.
06:06Every day, our children are being martyred in the 22-23 year old army.
06:10Officers, soldiers.
06:12But even after that, people are angry.
06:14Look at Balochistan and KP, it doesn't stop.
06:17It's a matter of work.
06:19It has also become an army face.
06:21Because the government did not own up to it.
06:24They come to explain.
06:26Now you have to explain.
06:28The misunderstanding of the operation was also created by the government.
06:31Now this firewall is coming in everything.
06:35So, sir, this government keeps the decision of the country's largest court strict.
06:40What legal evidence will be given to overlook?
06:45Three days are left.
06:47I think the army leadership will have to make a decision here.
06:50It is not a government issue.
06:52The confrontation that is going on with this.
06:54Can the army confront Imran Khan and Atlia?
06:59I don't think it can work like this.
07:02Because if they have popular power, Imran Khan has legal power.
07:08And when you can't do both these powers together.
07:13You can't do bulldoze.
07:16One of the two places where their relations can be fixed is Atlia.
07:21And this can be done very easily behind the scenes.
07:24Press the reset button.
07:26And those relationships get fixed.
07:28But it seems that even that is not happening there.
07:31It's a very important point that Mr. Malik has raised.
07:34The fact that two fronts cannot be opened.