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00:00As-salamu alaykum dear viewers, welcome to the program.
00:13Viewers, after the martyrdom of Ismail Haniyeh, the developments that are happening,
00:18every passing day we are seeing that different evidences are emerging.
00:24Today, in the story of New York Times, different sources have been quoted.
00:29In the Middle East, security officials have also been quoted.
00:33According to the security officials in this new story,
00:39the rest house where Ismail Haniyeh was kept,
00:44a remote-controlled bomb had been placed in that room some time ago.
00:51They were waiting for a high-value target to come here and do their job.
00:59The story claims that when they reached there,
01:03they were satisfied that Ismail Haniyeh was kept in this room.
01:07The building where the remote-controlled bomb was placed,
01:14was blasted at 2 o'clock in the night.
01:18According to the story, the people of the medical team were also kept there.
01:25For example, if someone needs emergency medical care,
01:28they immediately reached there after the blast.
01:31According to the story, when they reached that room,
01:35Ismail Haniyeh was dead on the spot of the blast.
01:38But his bodyguards were still alive.
01:42They tried to revive them, but they could not.
01:46So far, two deaths have been reported as a result of this incident.
01:52The whole world is condemning this incident.
01:55Especially the Muslim world is very surprised and worried.
02:01Because this incident is not a small one.
02:03They were leading the political wing of Hamas.
02:06Ismail Haniyeh was known as a moderate leader.
02:13He played a major role in the attempt to restore peace in Gaza.
02:22When this incident happened on the first day,
02:25he was spending a lot of time in Qatar.
02:29The tweet from the Prime Minister of Qatar was very clear.
02:33On the one hand, you are trying to achieve peace efforts in Palestine.
02:40On the other hand, when you commit such assassinations,
02:43how will this matter progress?
02:45Obviously, there is a lot of sadness and anger in Pakistan.
02:51The President of the Islamic Community arrived in Qatar today.
02:54He also took part in the funeral prayer.
02:57Along with this, the whole matter was raised in the parliament of Pakistan.
03:01We will talk about this story in detail in the second part of our program.
03:05In the first part, Mr. Miftah Ismail, the former finance minister,
03:10the leader of the new Awaam Pakistan Party, is with us.
03:15In the first part of the program, we will talk about the current issue of IPPs in the country.
03:20There is a protest by the Islamic Community.
03:22Yesterday, a threat has also emerged from the Islamic Community
03:26that if our demands on IPPs and electricity prices are not met,
03:32then we will turn this protest into a government movement.
03:37At the moment, we are dealing with the IMF, the country's economy,
03:43and the ongoing political struggle in the country.
03:47We will talk about all these issues.
03:49Thank you very much to Mr. Miftah Ismail, the former finance minister.
03:54Mr. Miftah, please tell us,
03:57This issue of IPPs, everyone is telling us a new story.
04:02First, it started in 1994, then in 2002, and then in 2003.
04:07When the government of that time made such agreements,
04:11it was visible that these agreements were wrong, but these agreements were made.
04:15And now, the latest findings,
04:17in our program the other day, a lawyer, Mr. Hafiz Zaan, was saying
04:22that if these agreements are not met, we will have to suffer until 2050.
04:27First, in simple words, please explain to us
04:30why these agreements were made, who was wrong,
04:33and why we are still suffering as a sovereign country.
04:41Thank you very much.
04:43I will try to explain what I understand in simple words.
04:51First of all, it should be said that in today's time,
04:54Look, these agreements were made in 1994.
04:56In 1994, under the policy of Mr. Bhutto,
05:00in which we gave 6.5 cents of electricity,
05:04the fuel was a separate pass-through,
05:06and we were giving a return on investment of 15-17% dollars.
05:12That policy was brought by Mr. Musharraf in 2002.
05:15When he revised that policy,
05:18he made another amendment in 2007,
05:26under which he said that we will give a return on investment in dollars.
05:30He gave an index of 15% dollars.
05:33This was the policy in 2007.
05:36After that, a lot of plants were installed,
05:38and then again in 2012, there was a huge shortage of electricity,
05:41so when Mr. Nawaz Sharif came to power,
05:43he brought another policy in 2015.
05:45And a lot of plants were installed,
05:47but there was a 17% guaranteed return,
05:50and there was no bidding.
05:52There was no bidding in 1994, nor in 2007,
05:54and there was no bidding in this policy as well.
05:56In this policy, UNEPRA gave a rate,
05:58and if it comes to you, you can apply it.
06:00After that, when Mr. Khan came to power,
06:02he did one good thing,
06:04he said that we will renegotiate this policy.
06:06And in 2020, a report came out by Mr. Muhammad Ali,
06:11on which he said that in many IPPs,
06:14the government has calculated ROI,
06:16Return on Investment, or IRR,
06:18Internal Return on Investment,
06:20and there were mistakes in that as well.
06:22There are two major mistakes in this policy.
06:25One mistake was that,
06:27and I am saying mistake,
06:29with a lot of ego,
06:31but you can put some other words in it as well.
06:33One mistake was that,
06:35the company that needs 160 grams
06:37to make a kilowatt-hour furnace oil,
06:40you are giving them 180 grams of money.
06:42So that becomes 20 grams per kilowatt-hour extra.
06:45Similarly, one mistake is that,
06:47if you want to buy coal from South Africa,
06:50your price is less,
06:52it is 220 dollars per ton,
06:54but the government is giving you 260 dollars per ton.
06:57So these were two types of mistakes,
06:59that they were being given more money for fuel,
07:02and they were being expected to use more,
07:05but they were not being used as much.
07:07And then the return on investment was also very mixed.
07:09So these were two or three mistakes.
07:11So in 2021,
07:13the plants that were installed by Musharraf,
07:16he renegotiated them,
07:18and after that, the rates were reduced.
07:21But the plants that were installed in 2015,
07:23which also had Chinese government plants,
07:26which also had government of Pakistan plants,
07:28and which had plants of Qatari investors,
07:30he was not able to renegotiate them,
07:32because the ones that were renegotiated in 2021,
07:35first of all, their bankers got their money back,
07:38and secondly, there was a lot of interference from the institutions,
07:41and because they were institutions,
07:43the Pakistani investors were more cooperative,
07:45but obviously Chinese investors
07:47will not cooperate with our institutions like that.
07:49So then there was a problem with the Chinese,
07:52which America also kept saying,
07:53that you are renegotiating from China.
07:55Now the policy adopted by the government
07:57is that we will go to China and say
07:59that the money you have to give in the next 4 years,
08:01we will give it to you in the next 10 years,
08:03so you reduce your rates.
08:04And this is now being tried.
08:06Mr. Mufti, I have understood this.
08:08We will go further.
08:10When Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif
08:12made all these agreements in 2015,
08:15probably you were also a part of the party at that time,
08:18or the government,
08:19did you have any office or not?
08:21At that time, one opinion is coming up
08:23that according to the international market,
08:25the agreements were right,
08:26there was no mistake in that.
08:27And one opinion is coming up
08:29that this has been ignored,
08:31criminal negligence has increased.
08:33So in your opinion,
08:34was there a mistake at that time,
08:36or did you make a mistake unintentionally?
08:39I mean, what was the reason
08:40that you made such agreements
08:42that the entire Pakistani community
08:44is screaming for it?
08:47Look, brother,
08:48the four plants that have been planted,
08:50Bikki, Baloki, Haveli,
08:51and especially the fourth one, Rahim Yar Khan,
08:53these plants are at very good prices,
08:56which run on LNG.
08:57On that, it happened that
08:58you got a bidding done,
09:00which was between GE, Siemens,
09:02and Mitsubishi.
09:04They bid,
09:05and the price they gave
09:06was less than the price given by NEPRA,
09:08one lakh, one and a half lakh dollars
09:09per megawatt.
09:11That is, NEPRA was saying
09:12that a megawatt plant should cost
09:13seven lakh dollars per megawatt,
09:14and your price was five and a half lakh dollars.
09:17So because there was bidding on it,
09:19its price was not getting better.
09:21There was no problem with that.
09:23The second one was the price of coal.
09:26There was no bidding on coal,
09:28and you had given a fixed tariff on coal.
09:31Between 2013 and 2018,
09:33the costs of coal and solar
09:35have fallen very fast.
09:37And NEPRA, of course,
09:39cannot do cost discovery,
09:40price discovery,
09:41which a businessman can do,
09:43who has invested his money.
09:45So the plants that were planted later,
09:47in 2016, 2017, 2018,
09:49it is generally understood that
09:51they are a little more expensive than the market price,
09:53that in other countries,
09:55they were cheaper than this.
09:56But I am talking about coal.
09:57I am talking about LNG plants.
09:59I think they are at the best price in the world.
10:02Mr. Chaudhary Gulamchand,
10:03please ask your question.
10:05No, but all this, Mr. Ismail,
10:09I don't expect you to become
10:12a part of the policy of poor people
10:16or be an enemy of the country.
10:18But now there are only two points
10:21of this chaos.
10:23You didn't care about the people of Pakistan,
10:26and why are you giving them
10:29one hundred or two hundred
10:31of what is worth a hundred.
10:33And this robbery and theft,
10:35are you also involved in this,
10:37or just to please foreigners?
10:40I fail to understand
10:42what kind of policies
10:44were being executed by the Pakistan government.
10:47Look, Mr. Chaudhary,
10:49the real reason in this is that
10:53in such a poor country,
10:55which has a demand of 30,000-32,000 megawatts
10:58in summer and only 10,000 megawatts
11:00in winter,
11:02if you install electricity
11:04according to 32,000 megawatts
11:06in that poor country so that
11:08there is no load shedding in summer,
11:10then the 20,000 megawatt plant
11:12will remain closed in winter.
11:14If it remains closed,
11:16but if someone has installed a plant
11:18at your behest,
11:20it will remain closed,
11:22which we will have to pay in capacity payments.
11:24The real mistake in this is that
11:26we did not think that
11:28if we install so many electricity plants,
11:30when we return it in dollars,
11:32where will that money come from?
11:34And the other mistake was that
11:36we were selling electricity
11:38and today we have the capacity
11:40to sell 2 billion units,
11:42but we sell 1 billion and 10 crore units.
11:44So this was our significant mistake.
11:46The second big mistake was
11:48that we should not have done
11:50anything other than bidding.
11:52When Abbasi was Prime Minister in 2018,
11:54he had decided that no plant
11:56would be installed other than bidding.
11:58Mr. Imran Khan later reversed that decision
12:00which I think should not be done.
12:02But the truth is that
12:04if we had a little more electricity,
12:062,000, 3,000, 4,000 megawatts
12:08would not have been a problem.
12:10And the second thing is that
12:12it should not be installed without bidding.
12:14If you bid, there is a price discovery
12:16and your price also looks right.
12:18These are the two issues
12:20which are very important in Pakistan.
12:22Mr. Niftar, Hassan Ayub has a question for you.
12:24Mr. Niftar, it is a very simple question.
12:26The capacity payments trap
12:28which is also known as the death trap,
12:30is Mr. Nawaz Sharif involved
12:32in this crime or not?
12:36Sir, I don't think anyone is involved
12:38in this crime.
12:40Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Hussain
12:42may be angry, but the truth is
12:44that I don't think Mr. Niaz
12:46has stolen a single penny.
12:48I don't think
12:50such a thing has ever happened to me.
12:52And I think that
12:54there has been a mistake,
12:56but I don't think that
12:58there was any malice involved.
13:00Sir, I am talking about the capacity payment.
13:02Okay, fine.
13:04There was no malice involved.
13:06But you can definitely say
13:08that why did they install it on imported coal
13:10when there was Pakistani coal?
13:12They could have installed it on Pakistani coal.
13:14It would have come after the elections,
13:16but if they hadn't installed it on imported coal,
13:18it would have been better.
13:20You can definitely say that.
13:22But I don't think there was any
13:24theft involved.
13:26Mr. Naqvi from Karachi
13:28has a question for you.
13:30Yes, Assalam-o-Alaikum, Mr. Niftar.
13:32There has been a lot of talk about this.
13:34Everyone in Pakistan is talking
13:36about the IPP plants
13:38which were installed in 1994
13:40and are still installed.
13:42I want to ask a very important question
13:44which no one has talked about
13:46and maybe I am wrong about it.
13:48You can tell me more about it.
13:50Because electricity is being made
13:52for the people,
13:54you are making it for the people.
13:56The distribution network
13:58to deliver electricity to the people
14:00is only of 22,000 MW
14:02through Discos.
14:04When we are making it for 41,000 MW
14:06or when we have set up
14:08to make it for 41,000 MW,
14:10if the distribution network
14:12is not that big,
14:14then what is the benefit
14:16of making and setting up
14:18so much electricity?
14:20Mr. Naqvi,
14:22we can make and sell
14:2432,000 MW in summers
14:26and distribute it.
14:28To say that we have
14:3041,000 MW is not right.
14:32There are a lot of things
14:34like if you install 1,000 MW
14:36of solar,
14:38then you get 100% electricity.
14:40So your nameplate capacity
14:42will be 1,000 MW,
14:44but you get only 200 MWh.
14:46Similarly, if you have 1,000 MW
14:48wind, then the nameplate capacity
14:50of 1,000 MW is 350 MWh.
14:52So Pakistan cannot make
14:54more than 32,000 MW
14:56in any month except August.
14:58And you can distribute
15:00up to 32,000 MW to Pakistan.
15:02But your fundamental point
15:04is absolutely correct.
15:06The wind power in Karachi
15:08is giving electricity
15:10to the government for free,
15:12but the government is not able
15:14to take it because they
15:16don't have a transmission cable
15:18to take the free electricity
15:20and put it in the grid.
15:22And the 132 kW line
15:24can be built in Pakistan
15:26in 6 months,
15:28but there are a lot of restrictions
15:30on this.
15:32For example,
15:34you can't do that.
15:36But let me
15:38give you another example.
15:40In every electricity bill,
15:42the domestic electricity bill
15:44at the moment,
15:46you have 18% sale tax
15:48and 7.5% advance income tax.
15:50When the government is dying
15:52because of electricity,
15:54then the government should
15:56remove that tax immediately.
15:58That will make your electricity
16:00cheaper and sell more electricity.
16:02If the government removes
16:04the 4.5 billion rupees tax
16:06on the industry,
16:08local businesses,
16:10and domestic electricity,
16:12out of the 4.5 billion rupees,
16:14Wafaq will get
16:16185 billion rupees less
16:18and Stubo will get
16:20265 billion rupees less.
16:22If Wafaq reduces
16:24its PSDP from 185 billion rupees,
16:26which is not a big deal,
16:28then there will be
16:30no problem.
16:32If they reduce it,
16:34then the electricity bill
16:36can be reduced
16:38by 25-30%.
16:40I think it's very bad
16:42not to do this.
16:44Even if you do
16:46IPP forensic audits,
16:48keep opening them,
16:50keep completing your
16:52transmission mistakes,
16:54keep reducing your
16:56transmission losses,
16:58the government
17:00will reduce
17:02your losses.
17:04Keep increasing
17:06your PPDP.
17:08The government
17:10should reduce
17:12your PPDP.
17:14The IMF
17:16has set
17:18very strict requirements.
17:20Dr. Gohar Ejaad
17:22is in the market
17:24and he is an expert
17:26We understand a few things from what you are saying.
17:28So where is the problem now?
17:3180% of the IPPs are government shareholdings.
17:36If the government wants, as you are saying, they can do it very easily.
17:38So what are the factors that the poor people, who are genuinely persecuted at the moment,
17:44have to be relieved?
17:46Who is the obstacle in the way?
17:48Sir, look, the way I have told you to reduce taxes, there is no obstacle in this.
17:54There is no problem with the IMF in this.
17:55Look, you know that I have dealt with the IMF myself.
17:58The IMF tells you not to increase your loss.
18:00When you reduce the tax here of Rs 450 billion, you will have to reduce the expenses of Rs 183 billion.
18:06But because Wafaaq only gets 40% of that tax, so Wafaaq should reduce its expenses by 40%.
18:13The PSDP that you have kept from Rs 700 billion last year to Rs 1,150 billion this year,
18:17reduce it to Rs 965 billion.
18:19What disaster will come if a few MNAs and MPAs get less money?
18:23What disaster will come if a few MPAs and MPAs get less money?
18:26So you should fill that out.
18:27I know this.
18:28Look, I have dealt with the IMF before.
18:30There will be no problem with the IMF in this.
18:32So I am not saying anything like that.
18:34I am not telling you to stop giving money to the IPPs.
18:37Stop giving money to the government companies.
18:39I am not saying anything so radical and impractical.
18:41I am telling you directly that if the government wants,
18:44and it is aware of the need of the people and the pride of the people at the moment,
18:48if the middle and upper class people are suffering because of the electricity,
18:53then they can do it in two days.
18:54But this is a waste of thought, I am telling you the truth.
18:58This is a waste of understanding, otherwise it is not difficult to do this.
19:01Okay, Mr. Mifta, may Allah make him understand.
19:03We are going to take a break.
19:04After the break, Mr. Mifta, we will talk to you about the politics in Pakistan.
19:08Why is the current government sitting comfortably?
19:12They are not taking any initiative at all.
19:14They say about jokes, we have no problem.
19:17We will ask you questions in detail, which will continue after the break.
19:24Welcome back, viewers.
19:25One thing that is being discussed in the politics of Pakistan is the justice system in Pakistan.
19:31What will they do?
19:32Will they be interviewed?
19:34Will they not?
19:34When Mr. Gohar Ali Khan was speaking in the National Assembly today,
19:38how did he express his thoughts?
19:42It is a matter of thinking whether the Muslim world is weaker or Israel is stronger.
19:50The Muslim world will have to come together to play its role in the Muslim world.
19:55Mr. Speaker, it is not just about unity that we are united against Israel.
20:00If you cannot unite your own people, you will not be able to make a block against Israel.
20:04Breaking your own people will not make a block.
20:08When you cannot unite your own people, how will you unite the Muslim world?
20:12Mr. Gohar Ali Khan was saying this.
20:15Former Prime Minister Raja Parvez Ashraf Sahib is the senior leader of the Pakistan People's Party.
20:20He was also expressing his thoughts in conjunction with him.
20:24This is a very good thing.
20:26When will there be strength in them?
20:28When we will come to Pakistan.
20:30There will be unity.
20:31When the whole world will know that these 25 crore people are one.
20:36This is an atomic power.
20:38Then when you will tell Israel,
20:40that beware, if you bombarded here tomorrow,
20:44if you shed the blood of the Palestinians tomorrow,
20:47then we will take revenge for it, then they will listen to this.
20:50For God's sake, open a dialogue now.
20:53Mr. Prime Minister, I request you.
20:56You are at the helm of the affair.
20:58Come and open a dialogue.
21:00Save your country too.
21:01Try to become a force for the Islamic nation.
21:07Mr. Miftad, obviously there is an opinion on this.
21:10Different opinions of different people are being found on this.
21:13But according to Pakistan,
21:15at the moment, Pakistan's biggest, in terms of vote,
21:18in terms of their representation all over the country,
21:21is a big political party.
21:22The leader is currently in jail.
21:25There are talks of negotiations.
21:27Negotiations, the youth PTA wants,
21:30but they say to whom to negotiate.
21:32Those who do not have the authority,
21:33they want to negotiate with someone else.
21:36Mr. Prime Minister, you went to Karachi the other day.
21:38The business community there said
21:40that you should go and shake hands with the Makeen of Diyala
21:42and some matters should move forward.
21:44There is silence.
21:45Today, Raja Parvez Ashraf Sahib also spoke in the House.
21:48Now you have also formed a political party.
21:52So what advice will you give to someone
21:55while keeping in view our current political struggle?
21:56So that our internal struggle,
21:59which has become very intense,
22:01can be resolved.
22:03Look, you understand this too,
22:06and I think the whole nation understands this,
22:09that if we don't find a solution to this,
22:10then many other issues will remain.
22:12Whether it is about unity,
22:14about Pakistan's strength,
22:16or about the strength of the nation,
22:17a political solution will have to be found on this issue.
22:20My own advice is that I am very happy
22:23that Mr. Khan's stance has been shaken a little.
22:28His talk has been shaken for a few days.
22:31He has also told the Chief of Army Staff,
22:32Mr. Faisal Ali,
22:33and he has also said that we will negotiate.
22:36And I think that to do its goodwill,
22:40first of all, I will request the Prime Minister of Pakistan,
22:44or I will not give advice,
22:46but I will request that if he can call
22:48Umar Ayyub and Gauhar Khan Sahib for a cup of tea,
22:51and sit and have tea with them,
22:53with Asad Yasser,
22:54I mean, he has assembled them in his office.
22:55So there will be a little confidence-building measure.
22:59You don't negotiate,
23:00just call them for a cup of tea.
23:02Three or four people, you sit down,
23:03three or four people, they sit down,
23:04Bilawar Putra Sahib should also come.
23:06And if they have a cup of tea,
23:07contact them once or twice.
23:09And what is negotiated,
23:11you know that it is done from the back channel.
23:14It is not that the army will make a representative of its own,
23:16and Mr. Khan will make a representative of his own,
23:18and they will talk.
23:19It is negotiated from the back channel.
23:21After Mr. Khan's stance has been softened,
23:24I hope that no one will do this.
23:26Mr. Chaudhary.
23:29No, there is no doubt about this.
23:33After 8th February, the circumstances that have taken place,
23:36nothing has gone towards reforming.
23:39And on the one hand, there is their claim,
23:41PTI's claim that our mandate has been robbed and looted.
23:45And on the other hand, they say that we are an elected government,
23:48and they are enemies of the country.
23:50So how will there be a meeting point, Mr. Mifta?
23:55Sir, look, the truth is that
23:58we all know that PTI was a large community,
24:01and there were very few seats of the Muslim League.
24:03I think an argument has been ended on this.
24:07And we also know that no election was clear in Pakistan.
24:12Even in 2018, the RTS was closed.
24:14These things used to happen before that too.
24:17But this time, the growth that has been stolen,
24:20and the people who have it are present,
24:22because they are present in Form 45.
24:24And a political group, and the economy of the country is in a very bad state.
24:28So at this time, there is some solution.
24:30The leaders who are there, if they just want to fight for seats,
24:33then this will be the same situation as it is today in Pakistan.
24:35But if you think a little about these people,
24:37who think about inflation,
24:38then I think that even for the Muslim League,
24:40politics is saved in this,
24:42that they go and sit with these people and find a solution.
24:45One solution could be that you,
24:47Mr. Shabaz Sharif, in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
24:49these three parties, People's Party, PTI and Muslim League,
24:53these three are present in the assembly together.
24:56A national government has been formed for a year or two.
24:58And after a year or two, elections will be held.
25:00This is not such a big deal.
25:02People will understand that we are there.
25:03Mr. Mirza, are you giving this news or are you giving us a clarification?
25:06Because such things are already going on in Islamabad.
25:08Sir, you give the news, you are reporters.
25:12I am a simple man, I do a little politics.
25:16And when you ask me about electricity or economy,
25:21I can give a little reliable opinion.
25:23My opinion on politics is very weak.
25:26But I see two solutions.
25:31I don't see this government running for a long time.
25:34Because the government does not say that we are a democracy.
25:37But the political government claims that we are a democracy.
25:40And we know that this government has not come with a mandate.
25:43So we have not seen this government running for a long time.
25:46So either a national government is formed.
25:50People's Party is in it, PTI is in it, Muslim League is in it.
25:53Some other neutral person should become the Prime Minister.
25:56Who is not Mr. Khan, and not Imran Khan, and not Shahbaz Sharif, and not Bilal.
26:03Someone else should become their party.
26:04And get elections done within two years.
26:07And secondly, if they don't do it, do you know where we are going?
26:11The country has been ranked third in Pakistan.
26:13It is not surprising to be ranked fourth.
26:15May Allah forgive us.
26:17We don't want to go to that situation.
26:18Mr. Shafiq, please ask your question.
26:48I would like to ask a question to you, Mr. Ismail.
27:01You said that if you talk about the administration, you can tell better.
27:06You don't have much grip on politics.
27:09So, Mr. Ismail, the question is that you also saw Shahbaz Sharif as Prime Minister.
27:15And you also saw Imran Khan as Prime Minister in the opposition.
27:20So, was Imran Khan very capable, and Shahbaz Sharif was a useless Prime Minister?
27:25Or was Shahbaz Sharif a better Prime Minister, and Imran Khan was a useless Prime Minister?
27:31Your opinion.
27:34Sir, look, I will not express such an opinion on any person that he is useless, or capable, or whatever.
27:41I am expressing my opinion.
27:44Everyone does it with their own hard work and understanding.
27:47Mr. Khan had a world view, according to which there was only one problem in Pakistan, corruption.
27:52And if they end corruption, everything will be fine.
27:54But if Mr. Khan could only see the corruption of others, he could not see the corruption of Uthman Buzhar.
27:59He could not see the corruption of Paragogi Sabah.
28:02He could see the corruption of other people.
28:04So, they arrested me and put me in jail.
28:07Shahid Abbasi was put in jail, and Ahsan Iqbal was put in jail.
28:10I am giving you an example, which has nothing to do with Allah's mercy, nothing to do with corruption.
28:16So, he had a world view, according to which he just arrested his opposition and put them in jail.
28:20And now I think that maybe Mr. Khan learned from those things, if Allah wanted, he would have learned.
28:25So, if he gets a chance, there will be a difference.
28:28Mr. Shahbaz Sharif has been a ruler in the province for a long time, and in the province it happens that
28:33money is given to you by Wafaaq, you just have to spend it.
28:37It is a very different concept, when you become a minister in Wafaaq, you have to save money all day.
28:43It is a different mindset, Wafaaq runs in a different way.
28:47You do not run a government with two bureaucrats as your favorites.
28:50Ministers are also very capable in this, or even if they are not capable, they are at least powerful.
28:55So, it is a different way.
28:57So, no one is perfect, and no one is perfect.
29:01Absolutely right.
29:01Okay, so you do not want to say who is in your opinion?
29:04Mr. Miftad, you have talked about the economy, because this is your area.
29:08In Pakistan, you have seen a new trend, we are seeing that the firewall is coming, the internet is slowing down.
29:17You know that today is the era of digitalization, that is, investment was to come from all over the world.
29:23Now, many people have concerns about this, that what is happening in Pakistan,
29:28so what advice would you give to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, that these attacks on the internet,
29:34that is, what will Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif do, will he find a solution to this, or is it okay that we shut it down?
29:41Because we are neither the UAE, nor is there a kingdom here, nor are we China, there is no one-party rule here.
29:48We are a multi-party system, people talk, and this is how we are moving forward.
29:54Mr. Miftad, I have heard that the Mughal king Humayun also had a big thing that if anyone came to him with a message,
30:01a messenger came with a message and he did not like the message, he would kill the messenger.
30:06The internet is only a messenger, you cannot shut it down because of that.
30:11You shut down the entire internet of Pakistan, you shut down the VPN,
30:15China is a different country, Pakistan is a small country, it is a very small economy, we cannot cut off contact with the whole world.
30:21And today there are a lot of problems in Pakistan, there are problems in Balochistan, there are problems in KP, there are problems in other places.
30:27We need to work more emotionally and less angrily, and more intelligently and intelligently.
30:33And we need to work more emotionally and less angrily, and more intelligently and more intelligently.
30:39And we need to work more emotionally and less angrily, and more intelligently and intelligently.
30:45And they say in English that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
30:49So if we soften our medicine a little bit, I think it will be better in that,
30:55compared to how many fronts you will fight together.
31:00So I think that shutting down the internet is beneficial in the short term, but it will be harmful in the long term.
31:08Thank you very much.
31:10I want to ask one thing. I did not get a chance to talk to Mr. Mifta.
31:14I want to ask you one thing, Mr. Mifta, you talked about kindness and intelligence and responsibility.
31:20And you said that there is a lot of distortion in Pakistan on every front.
31:25Now tell me that today the government has made a great decision to give 50-50 lakh rupees to the families of the missing persons.
31:31What do you say to that?
31:34Sir, I do not know about this decision.
31:40I do not know about this decision. You are definitely right.
31:43I will tell you. I will tell you.
31:45The people who are missing for more than 5 years, their families will be given 50-50 lakh rupees by the government,
31:53so that they can get out of their everyday problems in a better way.
31:59So do you think this is a good decision or not?
32:01I think that if we bring Pakistanis together, it is a good decision.
32:08If we tell them that the person who has been missing for 5 years, if he has passed away, he should read the fatiha.
32:13I will tell you the truth, I met a woman, Baloch woman, she was telling me that Mr. Mifta, you are such a powerful man,
32:19you just tell me whether I should read my father's fatiha or not.
32:23So get this family out of this problem.
32:25If you want to read the fatiha, tell them.
32:27So I think it will be easier.
32:29Mr. Mifta, thank you very much for your time.
32:31Viewers, let's go to the break.
32:33After the break, after the martyrdom of Ismail Haniya,
32:35what can be the effects of the situation that is developing in the Middle East after the break?
32:48Welcome back, viewers.
32:49Today you saw that we saw an amazing scene in Qatar.
32:54Funeral prayers were offered there.
32:57His family was there.
32:59All the officials of the Qatari government were there.
33:02Funeral prayers are being offered in Pakistan.
33:07We saw it yesterday and today.
33:09And we saw a very good example that all the officials of our political parties were present in the parliament.
33:19In addition to this, a resolution was also presented in the National Assembly.
33:24A resolution was presented.
33:25It's a good thing.
33:26A joint resolution was passed.
33:28It's a good thing.
33:29The name of Israel was written in the resolution.
33:32But I don't know why the name was not coming out on the Prime Minister's tongue.
33:37A day before, I don't know what Hassan will say about this,
33:41there is a press statement issue from the Foreign Office.
33:44The name of Israel is in it.
33:46The next day, a new press statement issue happens after a short time.
33:49Many people have written a column on it.
33:51Why did you have to do this?
33:53Today, when the Prime Minister, Shabaz Sharif, was giving a speech on the floor of the House,
33:59he was asked to take the name of the country from which all these concerns are emerging.
34:06Listen.
34:08On behalf of the government and the people of Pakistan,
34:11Mr. Ismail Hania, with the severe condemnation of the martyr's murder,
34:16condemns the martyr's family and the Palestinian people.
34:20Pakistan, including extrajudicial, extraterritorial killings,
34:24condemns all forms of terrorism.
34:28In this incident, whoever is involved,
34:30should be placed in the law.
34:35I have repeatedly mentioned the state of Sahoon.
34:40Once again, the state of Sahoon has committed these crimes.
34:44They will have to be brought to justice.
34:48On 10th April, the state of Sahoon, Mr. Speaker,
34:54will punish Israel for its atrocities.
34:58In the past, Mr. Najam Sethi,
35:05who was the former Chief Minister of Punjab in 2013,
35:10had a meeting with Mr. Khan,
35:13where he was accused of a puncture.
35:17Mr. Sethi was accused of this,
35:19because he later became the chairman of the PCB.
35:23Yesterday, Bani PTI was mentioned in a program.
35:28They asked why Bani PTI,
35:32who is now a lawyer in Adiala Jail,
35:35is so popular among the people.
35:43We are very unfortunate that we do not have a leader
35:47who can stand up and say what he wants to say.
35:51By the way, this is something that goes against Imran Khan.
35:55When he got the chance,
35:57he used to speak against Narendra Modi and Israel.
36:02The way he used to speak,
36:04no Pakistani leader speaks that way.
36:07Because he is afraid of what America, Britain, France,
36:12the UAE or Saudi Arabia will think.
36:16This is one of the reasons why Imran is popular in the public imagination.
36:21Because he stands up as a nationalist.
36:23Do you agree, Mr. Nagri?
36:46There is no doubt about it.
36:47No matter who is the leader,
36:48no matter who is the Prime Minister,
36:49no matter who is the President,
36:50Pakistan is an Islamic state.
36:52The constitution of Pakistan,
36:54all the political parties of Pakistan,
36:57all the rulers of Pakistan who have come so far,
36:59all agree that they do not accept Israel.
37:03And they should condemn Israel.
37:05And whoever condemns the rulers,
37:07this is a very good thing.
37:08Mr. Ghulam Hussain, you remember,
37:11there was a meeting of journalists.
37:13Today, Hamid Mir has written a column on it.
37:15With the former Prime Minister in the Prime Minister's office.
37:17Some of our journalists said that Israel should be accepted.
37:22It will increase our trade.
37:24And technology will come from there.
37:26So the Prime Minister who was sitting at that time,
37:29he looked towards the Quaid-e-Azam speech,
37:32the picture on the wall.
37:34Then he said that the statement of Quaid-e-Azam,
37:38the extended policy,
37:39I will follow that policy.
37:41So this is an accepted fact.
37:44You know that some people think that
37:47it is absolutely not true.
37:49Whatever they think, they do it.
37:51They have to suffer.
37:53Mr. Chaudhary.
37:55No, whether they have to suffer or not,
37:57the whole nation is standing with them.
37:59No one cares about the rich and the poor.
38:01They have nothing left.
38:03That is, what was considered to be their home,
38:05there they are giving stories.
38:07They don't know what has happened.
38:10And the rest of the 14 states,
38:1213 of them were defeated.
38:14That is, about Ayaz Sadiq,
38:16it is thought that maybe he will win.
38:18That too with 1000-2000 votes.
38:20But that's not sure.
38:22So what I want to say is that
38:24the people who have ditched him,
38:26there are three major reasons for that.
38:28Poverty,
38:29indifference to the people,
38:31and instead of thinking about national interests,
38:35until today Israel has martyred 40,000 Muslims.
38:39What work have you done on that?
38:41What Praveen Ashraf was saying today,
38:45if after 3 o'clock tomorrow,
38:50if Israel attacks or kills a child,
38:54then Pakistan will not tolerate this.
38:58Mr. Chaudhary, this can only be done by America.
39:01And America has said that
39:03if anyone looks at Israel,
39:05then we will make arrangements.
39:08Hassan, give me time to talk.
39:11The thing is,
39:13to say here that
39:15only Imran Khan speaks against Israel,
39:18and does not talk about the rest.
39:20We were talking about the martyrdom of Ismail Hania.
39:24From there, we will tilt the conversation
39:26towards Imran Khan.
39:28So what practical steps has Imran Khan taken
39:30in relation to Israel?
39:32What service does Imran Khan have for the Islamic world?
39:35You are saying that Imran Khan is a leader
39:37who can speak against Israel.
39:39Article 370 was revoked there,
39:41which was a part of Pakistan,
39:43i.e. Pakistan's claim on Kashmir.
39:45He said that he will protest on Kashmir.
39:48You say that you will attack India.
39:50In practice,
39:52where you have changed the constitution
39:54on an Islamic territory,
39:56Mr. Imran Khan did not say much about it.
39:58I also want to say something.
40:00Mr. Chaudhary, this is the time.
40:02This is my contribution.
40:04He did not say much about Israel.