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(Current Affairs)

Host:
- Meher Bokhari

Guests:
- Maulana Hafiz Hamdullah Saboor JUIF
- Ali Muhammad Khan PTI
- Khalid Khokhar (Chairman Kisan Etihad)

"Ali Amin Gandapur Ki Itni Hasiyat Nahi Kay Fazal ur Rehman Par Tanqeed Karen", Hafiz Hamdullah

"Bani PTI Ki Rihai Point Number One Hai...", Ali Muhammad Khan

Ali Muhammad Khan's Big Demand Regarding Negotiate With PTI

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Transcript
00:00 Assalam-o-Alaikum and good evening.
00:14 I am Meher Bukhari, the biggest member of the opposition, as the prisoner number 804, has been in prison for the past 11 months. And the government is constantly in a very weak position with the recognition of the fake mandate.
00:32 Who needs to step back in this free can? Can the most important team of negotiations be proposed? Will the three-dimensional committee be able to play a supportive role in the confrontation with the institutions? Or will the backdoor contacts decide the nature of the negotiations?
00:48 Has the Justice Movement closed all the doors of negotiations on political parties? Or is there a possibility of all political stakeholders? In the coming days, we will highlight the important points of the cruel political reality.
01:01 In the first round of the Justice Movement, it has been decided that Maulana Fazlur Rehman will be invited to participate in the protest movement against the 2024 elections, including Mubayyana Dhandi.
01:13 The Justice Movement has also increased contacts with the leaders of the parties involved in the Grand Alliance. Speaking to the media outside the Supreme Court, the former minister, Fawad Chaudhry, said that if the Justice Movement and Maulana Fazlur Rehman get together, the government will last for three to four months.
01:30 He said that Maulana and the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province are standing on one side. As a result of this alliance, the strong opposition can give the government a tough time.
01:42 In our last program, the former minister of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Ali Amin Gandapur was present. He is playing the key role of the negotiating team and is also in contact with the other team.
02:00 He says that Maulana will have to read the right Kalma first. He needs to reform himself.
02:13 If he reforms himself and speaks the truth, then he will be forgiven for his sins.
02:23 After that, he will play a positive role and will not come to the point of dealing with the system and taking advantage of it.
02:33 There is a lot of contradiction in the Justice Movement. The team that is to be taken along is also criticized by the same team.
02:43 Two days ago, Ali Amin Gandapur said that he will make a deal for Maulana Fazlur Rehman and will get his price.
02:48 On one hand, the Justice Movement wants to talk to the most powerful team of the system. On the other hand, it also wants to move the political issues forward.
03:08 The people who have brought him to power say that he is not the prime minister. He is a man who is sitting on a horse and knows how to ride it.
03:20 Whenever there is a little bit of a bug, he will ride it like a horse.
03:27 The political wisdom of the Justice Movement is not clear. There are so many cracks in the community. Every leader has a different statement.
03:39 Today, the Rafzal Marwat said that if there is a conversation, all stakeholders will be included.
03:44 Ali Muhammad has asked the government to show its political cards. He says that the Supreme Court is sitting as a third party.
03:58 Ultimately, if there is a conversation, all stakeholders will be involved.
04:05 The people who will be involved will be in advance. If we sit for a conversation, it means that we are asking for an apology.
04:15 We have nothing left for a deal or a compromise. No one has come to us at the moment, nor are we talking to anyone.
04:26 Even if we do a deal, it will not start until there is a clear declaration in the DUR that the government will be involved in the implementation of the law.
04:38 Khan's resignation is not a condition.
04:42 While Sheryar Rafidi has said that the conversation will be with the Army Chief and DG ISI.
04:47 Why don't you sit with us to solve the issues for the construction of Pakistan?
04:54 We will negotiate, but we will negotiate with the Army Chief, DG ISI, and the army.
05:00 Establishment is a reality and Pakistan is also a big reality.
05:04 For negotiations, we have to first decide the parameters in which environment these negotiations will take place.
05:11 We have a directive on three parties. We will talk to People's Party, PMLN and MQMP.
05:16 The talks should be with the politicians, but if the establishment has a de facto role, then in one way or the other they need to be included.
05:27 It would be strange to sit with the establishment and have negotiations because there is no scope for it in the IAEA.
05:33 Negotiations should be between the government and the opposition.
05:35 The relations are not good. Imran Khan will also talk in his term and condition.
05:40 According to the instructions given by Mr. Khan, no candidate from any party has the right to speak about any dialogue.
05:50 If you want to talk about it, I will bring it to you or Mr. Bani Chairman Khan will tell you in jail.
05:57 In the contradiction of statements, it is believed that the team with which Imran Khan wants to talk is not ready to talk.
06:04 And the team that wants to negotiate with Imran Khan is not ready to accept the mandate of that team.
06:08 After the elections, everyone's roots have been shaken. Now Imran Khan will talk on his terms and conditions.
06:16 Our mandate has been stolen, let's talk about it first.
06:19 There is no indication from that side, there is no talk from that side, there is no such thing.
06:24 Everyone's roots have been shaken. The answer given by the public on the day of the election, after that their roots have been shaken.
06:30 Imran Khan will also talk on his terms and conditions.
06:33 After the elections, everyone's roots have been shaken. Now Imran Khan will talk on his terms and conditions.
06:38 Ali Ameen Gandapur was once again in contact with the media and he said that Moulana Fazlur Rahman supports us, so we thank him.
06:44 And if Moulana Sahib thinks that the mandate has been stolen, then I am present.
06:48 Moulana Sahib's mandate has not been stolen, he has been deceived.
06:51 Mandate theft and deception are different.
06:53 He said that Bani PTI has given a task of conversation. If there is any talk, it will be in front of everyone.
06:58 It will not be hidden from the public.
07:03 Viewers are telling that the former Secretary of Defense, General Retired Naeem Lodi is trying to backdoor between the military institutions and the justice movement.
07:10 He says that there is a difference in the conditions on both sides.
07:13 Imran Khan has been told to accept the responsibility for the 9th incident.
07:16 He also said that he will not do this again.
07:18 Imran Khan's answer is that he did not plan 9th, how can he believe that he did not do the work.
07:23 The team will be successful in getting green signal from the other team.
07:28 Gandapur Sahib is talking about software updates.
07:30 Someone can play a role in Formula politics.
07:32 Imran Khan is not coming out of jail until the negotiations are successful.
07:37 Why is this impression getting deeper?
07:39 We will talk about this.
07:40 We have with us Senator Hafiz Hamdullah Sahib, senior leader of JUIFA.
07:45 Moulana Sahib, thank you very much for being with us.
07:47 First of all, tell us that Gandapur Sahib says that there is a difference between fraud and deceit.
07:53 You have been deceived.
07:55 Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim. Thank you very much, Mehr Bibi.
07:58 The basic thing is that Ali Amin Gandapur does not have the status to criticize Moulana or to talk about my party negatively.
08:08 He does not have that much status.
08:12 The question is that...
08:14 Moulana has been defeated by the election.
08:15 Moulana is not talking about a constituency.
08:19 Moulana is talking about the whole country's system.
08:21 He is talking about the whole election.
08:23 Because he is a national leader and a national leader always talks about the nation.
08:26 The biggest mandate was in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, right?
08:28 It was everywhere.
08:30 It was in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
08:32 Sir, it is in the 35 seats.
08:33 They have to take more than 40 seats.
08:34 You say that there is fraud.
08:36 Is this the constitution of D.S. Mehl Khan or of Lalkana and Jati Umrah or of the whole of Pakistan?
08:42 It is applicable to Peshawar as well where Sajid Nawaz lost and you are taking the seats.
08:46 You tell me.
08:47 So, this assembly, D.S. Mehl Khan, Lalkana and Jati Umrah says that this is the parliament of Pakistan.
08:51 The parliament of Pakistan.
08:53 So, this parliament, as a result of which election, was the election commission of the whole of Pakistan.
08:58 So, Moulana has objected to its role.
09:01 What is the right word, by the way?
09:03 I am coming.
09:04 He has objected to the role of those institutions whose interference in politics is prohibited according to the constitution.
09:10 Now, what you said, what is the right word?
09:14 I did not say that.
09:15 Gandapur sir said that read the right word.
09:17 What is the right word?
09:18 The right word, he is thinking that when he was caught with a black bottle, he said that this is a bottle of honey.
09:24 Maybe this is the right word.
09:26 Maybe the right word is that two police wanted to arrest him.
09:31 He was running with a big moustache and big hair and two police were running behind him.
09:36 They said that we caught him with honey, not alcohol.
09:40 This is the right word.
09:42 The right word is the name of truth.
09:44 The right word is the name of truth.
09:46 So, you tell me, how much truth is there in this?
09:49 The situation of those people is in front of you.
09:51 These are the things that you have said, Mr. Prime Minister.
09:53 Sir, he is a part of the negotiation team.
09:55 He is the senior.
09:56 You are a part of the negotiation team that you have negotiated.
09:59 According to you, the negotiation team is saying that you should talk to Moulana.
10:03 You have taken this task.
10:05 Yes, political parties and establishment.
10:07 So, they are saying that Moulana will talk to him.
10:10 They are saying that they will correct their old sins.
10:13 They will speak the whole truth.
10:14 See, the reservations against him, even then in 2018, we said that this is a treason.
10:19 First of all, Moulana rejected it.
10:21 So, you came and the system worked.
10:23 We did not come with PTI.
10:25 We came after reading the Fatihah of PTI.
10:31 You also say that you have a complaint about regime change.
10:35 Or do you reject it or regret it?
10:38 This is also a requirement of the constitution.
10:40 We do not do politics on the requirements of the constitution.
10:43 For 11 years, Moulana and the Jamiat Ulama have fought against PTI.
10:48 In terms of PTI's vision and mentality, there are some things that we have reservations about.
10:56 Before they meet us, unite and join us in the movement, they will have to correct their reservations.
11:04 You are also demanding the same.
11:06 Yes, they will have to do it.
11:07 First, they have to correct their reservations.
11:10 And they say that you have to correct your own.
11:13 But we have not done it.
11:15 Sir, I think there are so many gaps that it is difficult to run a movement together.
11:19 Then the government is a joint opposition.
11:22 It is easy to run a movement for justice.
11:25 Because they said a lot about Parvez Jalali and Chaudhary Shijrat-ul-Asa.
11:29 Do you remember?
11:30 I remember everything.
11:31 You also said that he was a Jewish agent.
11:33 Today you are also ready to talk about him.
11:35 He said a lot about you.
11:37 He said a lot about MKM.
11:41 He said that he is a Nafees.
11:43 Now, the stance that we adopted against them, we have three times.
11:49 We are not taunting them.
11:52 They came, three times, the leadership of the Jamia Ulama, Maulana Sahib, respected them.
11:57 Even today, our doors are open for them.
12:00 But our movement is not waiting for a defeat.
12:03 So, the long movement that you will launch, the Million March,
12:06 whether these negotiations are successful or not, they will still be launched.
12:09 They will still be launched.
12:10 We have started the movement alone.
12:12 Our movement is not waiting for anyone.
12:14 And why did you elect on 9th May?
12:16 This is the decision of our party.
12:19 Is this symbolic?
12:20 Are you giving a message?
12:21 No, no, this is not symbolic.
12:22 We did not elect on 9th May because we wanted to show someone our eyes.
12:26 We did not do it because of that.
12:27 But we have a very important question, Maulana Sahib has also asked us.
12:30 The statements that were given on 9th May,
12:34 but if this vote is genuine on 8th February,
12:38 which is being said that there was no bribery with PTI,
12:42 and this is being said from the powerful seats,
12:45 if there was bribery, how did PTI get power in Khyber?
12:48 If there was no bribery, then why did you elect on 9th May?
12:53 Can you answer this?
12:56 Sir, your biggest issue is in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
13:02 with 45 seats.
13:03 They say that we have destroyed the entire Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
13:06 we will move to Peshawar.
13:07 So, Maulana Sahib, will you want to open those alleys as well?
13:09 Will you open all of them?
13:12 Listen to me.
13:13 And one more thing,
13:14 we have seen many non-natural alliances in this country.
13:17 I am telling you, when did I say that?
13:19 If PTI wants to make an alliance with us,
13:22 then they will have to clarify some of the reservations about PTI.
13:27 Like what?
13:28 We have 11 years of history, what did you say about that?
13:31 Okay.
13:32 They will have to clarify those.
13:34 Sir, I am not able to understand, you are asking for clarifications,
13:36 they are also asking for clarifications.
13:37 They say that the morning fog is the evening fog,
13:39 they don't call it fog.
13:40 You will have to admit that I was foggy.
13:42 For the last 65, 40, 60 years,
13:46 since you have left,
13:48 that you were foggy,
13:49 you were lost.
13:50 No, no, we were not foggy.
13:51 Ask them why they went to Maulana three times.
13:54 What name did you call them in the Jalsas?
13:57 So, Asad Qaisar himself said,
14:00 I was in that meeting,
14:01 that Khan told us to go to Maulana.
14:03 Why did you come to me?
14:05 But we don't say this.
14:06 This is what we say,
14:07 when we hear that Ali Ibn Ghandapur,
14:09 the loss that Ali Ibn Ghandapur is causing to PTA,
14:12 in this environment,
14:13 in this war environment,
14:14 no one is giving.
14:16 No one is giving.
14:17 The loss that he is causing.
14:19 So, this is what is in our back.
14:22 Tell me,
14:23 how did you become the Chief Minister?
14:25 Who gave you the No Objection certificate?
14:28 Without a clearance, can it be made?
14:30 First answer this.
14:32 Who gave Ali Ibn Ghandapur the No Objection certificate?
14:37 Who gave the clearance that you can become the Minister?
14:41 A person cannot become MNA without a clearance.
14:45 In this political environment.
14:46 How did you become the Chief Minister?
14:48 There are many more people in the Jalsa.
14:50 And if you get together,
14:52 hypothetically,
14:53 if you get together,
14:54 find a common ground,
14:56 then this government is still running?
14:58 We will be together or not.
15:00 I am not talking hypothetically.
15:02 Will we be together or not?
15:04 I have said this on the first day,
15:06 that the internal relationship with the current government of the parties,
15:10 the marriage,
15:11 is a displeasure of these parties.
15:13 This marriage is forced.
15:14 And you know,
15:15 this marriage is forced.
15:16 We all know.
15:17 It is not going to work.
15:18 Do you have any complaints from the PDM's Jamaats?
15:25 Complaints from the system.
15:27 You ask the PM's people in the room.
15:30 They will say,
15:31 "We have not given any permission to this."
15:34 Ask the first party people.
15:36 Sir, you played such an important role in Nawaz Sharif's departure.
15:41 You were sitting there in the protest.
15:43 He left.
15:44 You did not understand what had happened.
15:46 One second.
15:47 After that, in the return,
15:48 in relation to his cases,
15:49 did you have any disappointment with Mian Sahib?
15:51 The biggest disappointment was Mian Sahib's illness.
15:56 We do not question that.
15:57 You are talking about the political role.
15:58 No, the political role.
15:59 His illness was in its place.
16:00 I do not question that.
16:01 I do not know.
16:02 But according to the doctors and medical,
16:04 he was sick.
16:05 But the biggest disappointment was the role played by Imran Khan and his party
16:09 in sending him abroad.
16:11 I ask you,
16:12 are you disappointed with Mian Sahib's politics today?
16:14 We are disappointed with so much politics,
16:16 that in 2018,
16:17 these two parties were given a donation.
16:19 Are you disappointed with Mian Sahib's character today?
16:21 Today, today, today, today.
16:23 Mian Nawaz Sharif is himself disappointed.
16:25 Are you disappointed with Zardari's character?
16:28 No, no.
16:29 He is disappointed because of other reasons.
16:31 His disappointment and your disappointment are not different.
16:33 Mian Nawaz Sharif is himself disappointed.
16:34 He has different reasons for being disappointed.
16:36 Who has stolen the dome?
16:37 Yes, your disappointment is different, his disappointment is different.
16:39 That means that you do not drop electricity on the Naseeman.
16:42 Yes, and are you disappointed with Zardari?
16:44 Who, me?
16:45 Yes.
16:46 No, why should I be disappointed?
16:47 You are not disappointed with anyone?
16:48 No, I am not disappointed with anyone.
16:49 I am just disappointed that politics should be based on principles,
16:52 not on power.
16:53 Thank you very much.
16:54 Hafiz Abdullah Sahib is with us.
16:55 You have heard the conversation,
16:56 a very short break.
16:57 We are going to be right back.
16:58 Assalam-o-Alaikum Ali Muhammad Khan Sahib.
17:06 Thank you very much for being with us.
17:07 Sir, you are the first person in your Jamaat
17:11 who has stood up and said that he will open the cards
17:14 regarding the government's offers for negotiations.
17:18 And that he has done a good deed,
17:20 that he has given a sign to move the matter forward,
17:22 when outrightly, the People's Party, Noon League, MQM,
17:27 and even the JUI Faisa have not done anything
17:30 regarding the matter.
17:32 Thank you very much.
17:34 In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Ever Merciful.
17:36 Allahumma Salli wa Sallim Mubarak Ala Sayyidina Muhammad wa 'Ala Ali Muhammad.
17:40 Look, the government has repeatedly spoken about the negotiations.
17:44 Rana Sanaullah Sahib spoke,
17:46 Asif Zardari Sahib spoke,
17:48 and his other senior people,
17:50 Senator X, who is his son, he spoke.
17:53 I think if they talk about the negotiations,
17:56 if they are serious,
17:58 then they should show their cards, at least tell us.
18:01 At what point, from our side,
18:03 is it one point, the basic one,
18:04 Imran Khan Sahib's release,
18:05 and the second, the return of the mandate.
18:07 If there is anything practical or serious in this,
18:09 then they should put it forward.
18:10 So that we can put it before Khan Sahib.
18:12 If Khan Sahib gives permission,
18:13 then the matter will move forward.
18:14 Sir, but did Khan Sahib outrightly not say no,
18:16 did he not put a thorn in the side?
18:18 Yesterday we interviewed Ali Amin Ghandapur Sahib.
18:20 He holds the most important position in the three-way negotiating committee.
18:24 He holds the seniormost position.
18:26 After meeting Khan Sahib, he said,
18:28 People's Party, PMLN, MQM, no way.
18:30 In fact, he has also said so much about the JUI Faisa,
18:33 that Maulana Sahib, if we read the right Kalima again,
18:35 then we will think.
18:36 So, how are you doing this?
18:38 And you said that after the release,
18:40 Mr. Marwat is saying that Imran Khan's release is not in our TORs.
18:44 Why is there so much confusion in the Jamaat?
18:48 Look, as far as Maulana Sahib is concerned,
18:52 he is coming forward as an ally to some extent.
18:56 Although, the claim of Dandli,
18:58 he should do it on the same seat from where we win.
19:00 Our Wazirullah Sahib wins,
19:02 we win in our area.
19:04 So, if this is his claim, then we welcome it.
19:07 You can investigate it,
19:09 because we did not bring Sitar.
19:11 But he has some seats in Peshawar,
19:13 like our Sajid Nawaz Sahib won,
19:15 he has his seat,
19:17 or the Jamaat has it, or something else.
19:19 So, will he be willing to allow
19:21 that you do an investigation of his as well?
19:23 The rest of those circles,
19:25 if they are with us on this issue,
19:27 although, one of the architects of regime change was Maulana Sahib,
19:31 he was the founder of PDM.
19:33 But we say that if the morning bird comes home at night,
19:36 we do not call it evening.
19:38 If they think that Dandli should not be there,
19:40 or that the foreign intervention was wrong,
19:42 or that what happened with Home 47 is wrong,
19:44 or that civil supremacy of the constitution,
19:46 they think that everything should be according to the constitution,
19:49 and that they should be held accountable,
19:51 then it is a good thing.
19:53 The talks I made about Imran Khan Sahib,
19:55 that he is a Jewish agent,
19:57 although the person who is standing in the midst of the Jews,
19:59 and talking about Palestine,
20:01 and talking about Masjid Aqsa,
20:03 and talking about the Holy Prophet (saw),
20:05 if they are joining themselves with Imran Khan Sahib's statements,
20:09 I will welcome them with respect,
20:11 but will they move away from the regime change that was wrong?
20:15 As far as the talks are concerned,
20:17 we did not request for talks.
20:19 The government is talking about it,
20:21 we want to have talks,
20:23 we should have talks,
20:25 so I said that you have some points,
20:27 so you put them in front of Imran Khan Sahib.
20:29 As far as Imran Khan Sahib is concerned,
20:31 if Imran Khan Sahib's release is not the agenda point number one of our talks,
20:34 then why are we having talks?
20:36 Then we should not have talks.
20:38 We want Imran Khan Sahib and Asiran's release,
20:40 plus the return of the mandate.
20:42 So sir, you do not discuss all these things in your core committee,
20:46 because everyone has their own unique statement,
20:49 and further confusion.
20:51 So the point is that,
20:53 in your talks, the talks are reflecting the words of Gandapur Sahib,
20:56 you are on one note,
20:58 but Asad Qaisar Sahib says something else,
21:00 he is leading the talks with Moulana Sahib,
21:02 let's go back for a minute,
21:04 he is leading the talks with Moulana Fazlur Rahman and JUIFA.
21:06 But Barrister Gauhar gave a very clear statement on MQM,
21:08 People's Party and PMLN,
21:10 and a very clear statement was given by Chief Minister Gandapur Sahib in an interview yesterday,
21:15 but you are not even looking at that.
21:17 Look, I will tell you one thing,
21:20 in Pakistan, for a long time,
21:23 some people do this,
21:27 that if political forces sit down and talk about finding a solution,
21:31 then they are condemned.
21:33 I spoke about truth and reconciliation,
21:35 which was made by National Mandela,
21:37 that the truth will be removed with reconciliation.
21:40 I never said that you should only agree.
21:43 I said that first speak the truth,
21:45 accept the mistakes,
21:47 return the denunciation,
21:49 return it in our seats,
21:51 speak the truth, then reconciliation.
21:53 It is not possible that you do not speak the truth,
21:55 you do not accept the mistake, and agree.
21:57 But if you get a chance to meet Imran Khan Sahib,
22:01 and you tell him that the government wants to talk about these points,
22:05 PPP, PMLN, then he will listen.
22:08 Look, if the government presents such points,
22:12 which solve the problems,
22:14 like Imran Khan Sahib's release from Asiran,
22:16 because everyone knows,
22:17 another finger of Abhi Toshakhana has been pointed.
22:20 Sir, I am asking you,
22:22 is it a big no,
22:24 PPP, PMLN, or can you show some hesitation from Khan Sahib's side?
22:27 Because you are the first one standing in PTI,
22:29 who is talking about this right now.
22:31 The last few days, Khan Sahib gave a statement after Eid,
22:33 even before the arrest,
22:35 he said that he is ready to talk to everyone.
22:37 It depends on what the government has on the table of negotiations.
22:40 If they just want to legitimize themselves,
22:43 and they want us to accept the government,
22:46 and not talk about denunciation,
22:48 then the negotiations are useless.
22:49 But there is one more point in this,
22:51 which is very fundamental.
22:53 If the negotiations are not happening with the political forces of the political forces,
22:58 then the establishment of the political party cannot have negotiations,
23:02 nor can they allow it.
23:04 Then the chapter of negotiations is closed.
23:06 If the chapter of negotiations is closed,
23:08 then there will be instability in politics.
23:10 We will keep our efforts.
23:12 This is also your position,
23:14 which is different from your party.
23:16 Even if I don't quote Shariah Rafidi,
23:18 yesterday Ali Ameen Ghandapur said at the establishment
23:20 that he will take the first step in the next meeting,
23:22 and will talk about the mandate.
23:24 He will look at the scope and will decide on the scope.
23:28 Your party is very clear about negotiations with the establishment.
23:32 I will say this,
23:34 that there are no negotiations with the establishment.
23:38 If there is any confusion,
23:40 then our minister,
23:42 our opposition leader,
23:44 or anyone can talk about it.
23:46 You can resolve the confusion.
23:48 If there is any miscommunication, you can resolve it.
23:50 This has happened in the past.
23:52 Mr. Shabaz Sharif has also been in touch.
23:54 But the regular negotiations,
23:56 in which two parties sit,
23:58 in which the media comes,
24:00 in which there is press talk,
24:02 you cannot do that with the establishment.
24:04 You can do it with the political parties.
24:06 Either there will be negotiations or not.
24:08 If there will be, then within the parameters of the IAEA.
24:10 As far as the role of the establishment is concerned,
24:12 we all know that this government has so much power.
24:14 They cannot appoint their own minister of entry,
24:16 they cannot appoint their own minister of treasury,
24:18 they cannot appoint their own minister of finance.
24:20 But the constitution is there,
24:22 the constitution is not permanent.
24:24 So in some way,
24:26 the paraphernalia of the parliament,
24:28 the parameters of the parliament,
24:30 if you ask them while living in it,
24:32 then they start talking.
24:34 Sir, I have seen the best hope from your talks.
24:36 This was the first time,
24:38 with so much clarity,
24:40 while living in the parliamentary system,
24:42 someone is talking about the path forward,
24:44 about the justice movement.
24:46 Many of us believe in this system here,
24:48 but your needle has always been crooked.
24:50 You talk about civilian supremacy,
24:52 but you want to give power and respect to someone else.
24:54 We have always seen in this country
24:56 that when talks are held
24:58 with powerful people,
25:00 then they are to be removed and
25:02 we are to be given our shoulders.
25:04 Anyway, moving forward,
25:06 you have talked about making the Supreme Court a conspirator.
25:08 Supreme Court headed by Qazi Faiz Isa Sahib?
25:10 Look,
25:12 a conspirator is one who is a cheater.
25:14 The Supreme Court's job is not to
25:16 make a conspiracy,
25:18 its job is to make a decision.
25:20 That is why I said this in my press talk
25:22 yesterday in the Supreme Court.
25:24 I also said this in the Court Committee yesterday.
25:26 And Mr. Gauhar
25:28 also confirmed this.
25:30 And that is that
25:32 we understand,
25:34 I understand and the Court Committee
25:36 has confirmed that the party will also do this.
25:38 And has already done it.
25:40 That the petition of 184.3
25:42 is in the Supreme Court.
25:44 We appeal to Qazi Sahib.
25:46 I also appeal to him as a lawyer
25:48 and as a political activist
25:50 that the country is in a very big test.
25:52 Chief Justice
25:54 held a historic
25:56 sitting in the evening,
25:58 before the election, at night.
26:00 And in one sitting he said that there is a line on the stone.
26:02 The election will be on 8th February.
26:04 If someone has said anything about not having an election,
26:06 then he has said this.
26:08 You can do it at home with your family.
26:10 The election will be on 8th February.
26:12 I have kept this point that
26:14 was it important to have an election
26:16 or was it a constitutional responsibility to be transparent?
26:18 If being transparent is a constitutional responsibility,
26:20 then I understand
26:22 that this election was everything
26:24 but it was not transparent.
26:26 That is why the Supreme Court should take a
26:28 su-moto notice on this.
26:30 We should also put the petition that we have collected.
26:32 So that if a su-moto is taken on four rings
26:34 in 2014 and a judicial inquiry commission is held,
26:36 and a decision is made against us,
26:38 then today, it is not four,
26:40 but it is about 250 rings.
26:42 I think that the Chief Justice should take a su-moto
26:44 on this as well.
26:46 This is the most important su-moto.
26:48 That the election that has been stolen,
26:50 you should put a judicial inquiry commission on this.
26:52 Because there are two points.
26:54 But sir, the Supreme Court's
26:56 conspiracy...
26:58 The government can play its role in this.
27:00 It can play a role in this.
27:02 They can take back the wrong cases,
27:04 or there is a case on that,
27:06 but in our fair mind,
27:08 we can understand that the people who have come from
27:10 Form 47, who have been robbed,
27:12 and are the beneficiaries of that,
27:14 they will say with their own hands
27:16 that Form 47 is wrong, give them the government.
27:18 This decision should be taken by the Supreme Court.
27:20 No other arbiter should do this.
27:22 General Raheel's formula was also wrong.
27:24 When Mian sir told General Raheel
27:26 to sit in the middle and make an arbiter,
27:28 why would an army chief sit between two political forces?
27:30 And sir, you also...
27:32 Mian sir proposed Salicy to Chief Awami staff,
27:34 you are saying that Chief Justice Pakistan
27:36 should be under his supervision,
27:38 and take the Suomoto,
27:40 but somewhere or the other,
27:42 he should play a role.
27:44 Look, Qazi sir is Chief Justice,
27:46 but we are talking about the Supreme Court.
27:48 Suomoto is from the Supreme Court.
27:50 Because if the Supreme Court
27:52 cannot play a role in this,
27:54 then you tell me who has to do it.
27:56 If you have to do it
27:58 by making non-political forces sit,
28:00 then this is the vehicle of the country's democracy.
28:02 The whole world is going in a circle
28:04 that political forces cannot make their own decisions,
28:06 nor can the Supreme Court make a decision.
28:08 Then why have we set up this shop of democracy?
28:10 Then close it.
28:12 Or run it according to the constitution.
28:14 Make a decision according to the constitution.
28:16 Our land has been stolen from us
28:18 because of which the oppression has been done.
28:20 17 seats of our 17 Mian sir have been made.
28:22 I consider this the Supreme Court,
28:24 as a lawyer, I demand.
28:26 It is their responsibility to protect the constitution.
28:28 Look, there is a robbery on the constitution.
28:30 We have to protect it.
28:32 We have Mr. Arun Khan with us.
28:34 Listen to our conversation.
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