S2E3: Amazon Publisher: Nancy Kriskovich's Life is Saved by Dr. Tennant
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00:00:00Good evening, everyone, and thank you for joining us for Season 2, Episode 3 of MEDiQ&A
00:00:11DocTalks with Dr. Forrest Tennant.
00:00:14We are so delighted to have everyone on board with us tonight.
00:00:18And Dr. Tennant, it's all yours.
00:00:20Great to see you.
00:00:21Take it away.
00:00:22It's good to be here, and I welcome everybody who's regular with us, as well as those people
00:00:28who are new to this show.
00:00:30Just a quick comment on what we're trying to accomplish here.
00:00:34First off, we're trying to help those people primarily who have developed disease of arachnoid
00:00:38itis, and also those people who have developed intractable pain for some other reason.
00:00:45And we not only are interested in treating the problem, but also preventing it, obviously.
00:00:49For a second series of programs, I hope to, and I'll probably be interviewing somebody
00:00:56each session for one reason or another.
00:01:00Now, I have somebody with me today who has a good reason to be here.
00:01:06Sitting next to me is a woman by the name of Nancy Christophich.
00:01:10Now, to you, you probably have no idea who she is, but to me, she has been an absolute
00:01:18lifesaver.
00:01:19She has been my closest advisor for some, what, seven, eight years, maybe?
00:01:24At least that, maybe 10 years.
00:01:27And she is part of the Tenet Foundation.
00:01:29Now, I'm going to be talking a lot about her, and then asking her a lot of questions.
00:01:35But Nancy, I first met her as a patient.
00:01:40She's from Montana.
00:01:42She has adhesive arachnoid itis, and has a base disease, Ehlers-Danlos syndrome.
00:01:48And she's done very well as a patient.
00:01:50In fact, I understand that she just came back from another one of her camping trips with
00:01:56her family.
00:01:57Now, I don't know why she would spend time with her family on a camping trip when she
00:02:01could be talking to me, but nevertheless, she does that.
00:02:05And so, she's a good example of somebody who has learned to control and contain a terrible
00:02:13disease.
00:02:14So, we're going to get to that in a couple of minutes.
00:02:16Now, the reason why she's sitting next to me is for a very odd reason.
00:02:21She and some other people in the great state of Montana have sponsored some seminars, and
00:02:26I see Rhiannon is with us.
00:02:27She's been a part of that.
00:02:30And at one of the seminars that I was giving in Montana, Nancy cornered me and said that
00:02:39if I didn't start publishing some books on arachnoid itis, I would not only never get
00:02:46my message out, but I'd never be remembered, and I would be considered as worthless as
00:02:53everybody else.
00:02:54Now, that got my attention.
00:02:55She didn't really quite put it that way, but she made a point, and that was that in this
00:03:03new medical climate, in this new technological age, if we didn't publish books, we didn't
00:03:10get the word out there.
00:03:12But she got my attention, and that advice came at a good time, and it came at a time
00:03:19that has relative impact to everybody watching this show.
00:03:24And that is, since the pandemic, there has been a dramatic change in how physicians are
00:03:31educated.
00:03:34Physician education has now fundamentally almost done away with conferences and done
00:03:39away with doctor-to-doctor education.
00:03:44If a doctor wants to get any postgraduate education, he's going to have to go to the
00:03:47internet.
00:03:48Almost all our journals are gone.
00:03:51Almost all the conferences are gone.
00:03:53The federal government has banned all the big supporters from supporting physician education,
00:03:58and that means the pharmaceutical industry, the medical device industry, the local hospitals.
00:04:03In other words, physicians are now becoming employees of organizations.
00:04:10And like 70% of the doctors now work for a hospital, and if that hospital doesn't want
00:04:15to educate them, they get none.
00:04:17So there is no real outside education.
00:04:21And so some of us, including myself, yes, we're going to publish books, we're going
00:04:25to have this podcast, we're going to have newsletters.
00:04:28We have to have a new way of educating physicians, and that's why Nancy got my attention about
00:04:36the book.
00:04:37I'm going to come back to the book in just a couple of minutes, but Nancy, I'm so glad
00:04:41you're here.
00:04:42You're here in West Cavena, California at our foundation's office.
00:04:47What brings you here?
00:04:48Well, as you guys know, he has Howard Hughes out in The Strange Medical Saga of Elvis Presley
00:04:58and lately JFK, but this time I'm down here and we are doing the John Henry, a.k.a. Doc
00:05:08Holliday book.
00:05:09So hopefully by Tuesday, it'll be out on Amazon.
00:05:12Congratulations.
00:05:13Thank you so much.
00:05:14We're going to publish on Doc Holliday because all the people who have this terrible problem,
00:05:24they're gambling with his life like he did.
00:05:26Is that why?
00:05:27That's it.
00:05:28Yeah.
00:05:29Because all four of those people are chronic pain patients.
00:05:38Yes.
00:05:40Well, more about Doc Holliday later.
00:05:43It's a fascinating story and you'll really enjoy it.
00:05:46It's been a lot of fun to do it.
00:05:48But Nancy, you've become an expert at publishing books.
00:05:53What got you interested in learning to be a publisher and working with the new Amazon
00:05:59system?
00:06:00Well, it goes way back to when I was in medical school and I took a word class.
00:06:07I realized how much I like word and it just intrigued me to learn every function that
00:06:14there was.
00:06:15I didn't learn every function that there was, but it intrigued me.
00:06:20Then along came a lady that wrote inspirational quotes, little blurbs in one of our support
00:06:28groups.
00:06:29I told her before I told our lieutenant, why don't you put all this in a format so people
00:06:37can have your knowledge?
00:06:40That book is on Amazon.
00:06:42It's called The Furnace of Fire.
00:06:45It is just little blurbs on inspirational just to get you through each day.
00:06:51That was my very first book.
00:06:54It's still on Amazon.
00:06:57I learned a little bit enough to be dangerous, but yet still intrigued me even further and
00:07:05thus brought me to asking Dr. Tinnit that very question, why don't you put all your
00:07:12knowledge that you have in all of these journal articles into a formatted book?
00:07:18Because journal articles someday are going to be down the road, but a book is on somebody's
00:07:26table on somebody's shelf forever.
00:07:30That's where the books started.
00:07:35I was new enough to be dangerous.
00:07:37As you guys, if you've been following Dr. Tinnit's books, each one has got a little
00:07:41bit better.
00:07:42Thank goodness.
00:07:43Amazing.
00:07:44Still learning every day.
00:07:47Yeah.
00:07:48Along that line, Nancy, when you recommended to me to start publishing books about invasive
00:07:57arachnoiditis, did it enter your mind?
00:08:01Did you consider it important because it was a rare disease, because doctors didn't know
00:08:07about it, patients didn't have any information?
00:08:09What did you think we were going to accomplish or why did we need to put information in book
00:08:15form?
00:08:16All of the above, but namely a book form from you, because you had saved my life and I wanted
00:08:26your knowledge to be out there to save other people.
00:08:29That is the bottom line.
00:08:31I knew that what you had in your little pea brain, everybody needed to know and it didn't
00:08:41matter what format, I just wanted it to last and from you, because your pea brain is full
00:08:53of knowledge for everybody and they should listen and that's why I do what I do for you,
00:09:03for the patients.
00:09:05Right along with that, at the time you recommended we write books, I felt just like you did,
00:09:12we needed to get the information out there, but something else has occurred because how
00:09:17many years ago was that that we first published the first book?
00:09:21I think it was 2018.
00:09:23It's been about five years.
00:09:25Since that time, and I'd like to have everybody who's watching this show know something, I
00:09:31get asked all the time, well, how come the doctors don't know about this and how come
00:09:36it's not in the medical journals?
00:09:38Well, first off, we don't really have many medical journals left, they're all on the
00:09:42internet and the difference between a magazine for doctors and the internet's night and day,
00:09:48it's not like a normal newspaper and so doctors, they don't have the ability to scan
00:09:56journals like they used to, but more important, and here's a message that I want to get out
00:10:02today, the medical journals, what's left of them and the associations and the conferences
00:10:11don't want to publish anything about arachnoiditis, Ehlers-Danlos, RSD, or intractable pain.
00:10:21Why?
00:10:22They're too rare.
00:10:26One has to remember something about this.
00:10:28Now, all of us here on the show and those of us who watch this, we talk to people every
00:10:34day who have these diseases and so we kind of think that we're real common.
00:10:40Well, compared to the normal medical diseases of asthma, emphysema, heart failure, diabetes,
00:10:48arthritis, we are a minuscule number and so therefore, when I get asked every day, well,
00:10:57what doctor specializes?
00:10:59Well, none.
00:11:00Why?
00:11:01There aren't enough cases.
00:11:03So, you must understand that and I've had to face this, it's the worst face I have.
00:11:09Now, right now, my associate who was on the show last week, Dr. Jay Persily, we've got
00:11:13a very nice article and we think we're going to get one of the major peer-reviewed journals
00:11:18maybe to publish it this next year, but the argument is, well, it's too uncommon.
00:11:23It's an uncommon disease.
00:11:24Why would we waste journal space and advertising on a rare disease?
00:11:30Now, that puts the burden on us to get the word out there through your good show, Jamie,
00:11:36through the books, for our newsletters, self-help groups.
00:11:39We didn't have the Facebook groups and some of the other things.
00:11:42We couldn't get anything done.
00:11:43So, remember the rarity of problem.
00:11:47Now, I'm a little offended by this because in my career, in the old days, somebody who
00:11:54had a rare disease, you know, and we could probably name some of them like sickle cell
00:12:01disease or what have you.
00:12:03We took them in and tried to learn as much about them as anything, like emphysema, for
00:12:10example.
00:12:11But today, these big health systems control everything and they make their money on diseases
00:12:17that are high in prevalence and incidence.
00:12:20They don't want us in some ways.
00:12:23I don't want to use that word, don't want us.
00:12:25It's they don't feel they have room for us.
00:12:29Their resources have to go to diseases that are far more common.
00:12:34So, what's one of my sad messages today, and that's one of the reasons why Nancy's here
00:12:40and why we're going to keep publishing and we're going to keep having shows.
00:12:44We have to have a new way of teaching both physicians and their allied people like nurse
00:12:52practitioners, PAs, chiropractors, physical therapists in a different manner than we used
00:12:57to.
00:12:58And we're struggling.
00:12:59Let's face it.
00:13:00We're struggling.
00:13:01I used to, to give you some idea, there were some years at the height of my career, I'd
00:13:08give somewhere between 100 to 200 lectures a year.
00:13:12And plenty more to give, but not anymore.
00:13:16There's nowhere to give a lecture.
00:13:19They don't have lectures for doctors anymore.
00:13:21In other words, they're going to go.
00:13:24In fact, I'm glad to see more and more doctors watching this podcast.
00:13:28So, the doctor has to kind of take it upon himself or herself to get into something.
00:13:34And that's where all of you out there watching this can take information to your physician,
00:13:39to your nurse practitioner, to your chiropractor, to your massage therapist or whoever you're
00:13:44working with, and take them some education.
00:13:47And don't be afraid to do that.
00:13:49So, now, along with that, Nancy, tell us, you're in Montana.
00:13:55And in Montana, never had a medical school.
00:13:58It's always been short of healthcare resources.
00:14:01How have you worked out in your rural state in finding help for yourself?
00:14:08I was lucky.
00:14:09I was just lucky.
00:14:11My injury stemmed from a back surgery gone wrong.
00:14:18And after my one-year-as-good-as-you're-going-to-get type situation, that orthopedic doctor released me
00:14:27and sent me to a pain management office in Kalispell, Montana.
00:14:32And I saw them for years.
00:14:39I think it was eight or nine years.
00:14:41And I was on the table getting an epidural again for the umpteenth time.
00:14:47And he goes, I can't do this.
00:14:50And I said, what do you mean you can't do it?
00:14:52And he said, I said, you've done tons of them.
00:14:57Why can't you do it?
00:14:58And I had so much bony overgrowth from my fuse that there was nowhere to put the needle.
00:15:05So he sent me to a neurosurgeon, and they wanted a new MRI.
00:15:11And that MRI, the radiologist actually stated adhesive arachniditis on the MRI.
00:15:20And I took that back to my pain management doctor, and I said, is this the case?
00:15:26And he said, yeah.
00:15:27So it really was lucky that a radiologist actually saw it on the MRI.
00:15:35So just the luck of the draw.
00:15:39And just don't give up until you find somebody that will listen.
00:15:43Yeah.
00:15:44And that same doctor now listens when I bring him something off the wall.
00:15:52Hey, I want to try this because Dr. Tennant says it might work.
00:15:56And he lets me try it.
00:16:00He knows me now long enough to know that I will only take it if it's helping.
00:16:07I'm open to having labs to make sure it's not affecting my liver, kidney functions and whatnot.
00:16:15So he trusts me.
00:16:17I trust him.
00:16:18Just keep looking for somebody like that.
00:16:21Let's go back.
00:16:23How many years ago or what year were you given a diagnosis of adhesive arachniditis?
00:16:32It was 2014.
00:16:34Okay.
00:16:35So we know you had it for nine years.
00:16:38Nine years.
00:16:39Now, one of the things that I know you can help us with on the show.
00:16:44And one of the things I really want to talk about is, okay, you had disease nine years.
00:16:52Now, tell me about what happened prior to nine years ago.
00:16:59I'm going to ask you a question.
00:17:02Okay.
00:17:03I know your answer.
00:17:05I'm going to ask you anyway.
00:17:06Okay.
00:17:07We just put a bulletin out on this.
00:17:11We have identified in our studies right at seven basic causes of adhesive arachniditis.
00:17:21Seven.
00:17:22I'm going to read those off.
00:17:24Now, when I say basic causes, I'm talking about the fundamental defect in somebody's tissues
00:17:33that sets the stage to go out and develop adhesive arachniditis.
00:17:38Okay.
00:17:39Now, what disease do you have that sets the stage?
00:17:42Okay.
00:17:43Because there are some intermediaries.
00:17:45That's one of the messages that I think you can help us get across.
00:17:48Okay.
00:17:49Here are the seven basic things that we have found.
00:17:52Everybody's got one of these.
00:17:54Or scoliosis or related disease.
00:17:57Psoriasis.
00:17:59Severe spine trauma.
00:18:01Ehlers-Danlos syndrome.
00:18:03Rheumatoid spondylitis.
00:18:05Marfan syndrome.
00:18:07Or they've acquired an infection like Lyme.
00:18:10Now, we have not seen anybody ever that we cannot find one of those seven fundamental causes.
00:18:20Okay.
00:18:21Not identified in eight.
00:18:23Only these seven.
00:18:24Now, out of those seven, what was your basic one?
00:18:28It started with osteoarthritis in early 2000.
00:18:37It's not one of those seven.
00:18:38No, it's not.
00:18:39And then because of that, I had a spinal trauma.
00:18:42And that led to a spinal fuse.
00:18:48And then since then, since the nine years that I've been diagnosed,
00:18:54I have been diagnosed with Ehlers-Danlos as well.
00:18:57In other words, what I'm getting at is one of these seven,
00:19:01you got the arthritis because of the Ehlers-Danlos.
00:19:04Okay.
00:19:05And then if you get trauma on top of it, it just adds to it.
00:19:08But what I want to get across to people is that everybody comes in to see the doctor
00:19:14and says it all started with fibromyalgia, or it started with osteoarthritis,
00:19:20or it started with an epidural, but they had something before that
00:19:25that was the fundamental breakdown in their biologic systems.
00:19:31You see where I'm coming from?
00:19:33Now, the reason I wanted to make a point of this,
00:19:37for everybody out there who's got Ehlers-Danlos syndrome,
00:19:41you are at great risk to go through a series of steps and develop
00:19:45adhesive arachnoiditis.
00:19:47Okay.
00:19:48In other words, bank on that.
00:19:50So one of the take-home messages, I hope everybody watching this today,
00:19:55even if you don't have Ehlers-Danlos syndrome,
00:19:57I want everybody to know that that's turning out to be so common.
00:20:03I don't know whether that disease is getting more common
00:20:06or whether it's always been there, and we didn't know what it was.
00:20:09But all I know is that I'm going to guess at least a third to 40%
00:20:17of the cases that we redo in our foundation have Ehlers-Danlos now.
00:20:22Wow.
00:20:23At least that high a percentage.
00:20:25Would you say 30% to 40%?
00:20:27At least 30% to 40%.
00:20:30But we never realized that until recent years.
00:20:33We never made a connection between the two.
00:20:36So one of the messages on this podcast,
00:20:38Ehlers-Danlos is a disease that somehow loves to deteriorate tissues
00:20:47and the spinal canal.
00:20:49Okay.
00:20:50Now, let's go back here because you did say something very important.
00:20:55You first realized you were getting sick when you developed arthritis.
00:20:58That was your first thing.
00:21:00Yeah.
00:21:01And how old were you then?
00:21:02Oh, gosh.
00:21:04I was late 20s.
00:21:07Late 20s.
00:21:08And you'd been well up until that time?
00:21:10Mm-hmm.
00:21:11Now, you've got Ehlers-Danlos.
00:21:13Did you do a lot of sports, gymnastics?
00:21:15Yeah.
00:21:17I was on a dance team.
00:21:18So, yeah.
00:21:19You were a good dancer, weren't you?
00:21:20Yes.
00:21:21Very much.
00:21:22Were you a gymnast or a curator?
00:21:23A dance drill team.
00:21:28Yeah.
00:21:29Well, all the Ehlers-Danlos people are all good-looking.
00:21:32Now, you're a good-looking woman.
00:21:34You were a good-looking child of that, too, weren't you?
00:21:36Yeah.
00:21:37It explains all that.
00:21:38All the boys chasing you?
00:21:40No, it explains being able to do the splits every which way and kick up
00:21:43your head.
00:21:44Yeah.
00:21:45Did you, anybody, when you were a child,
00:21:52know you had Ehlers-Danlos?
00:21:54Were you double-jointed?
00:21:56Could you stretch a lot?
00:21:57I didn't even know what it was until I met you.
00:22:00Uh-huh.
00:22:01Never heard of it.
00:22:02Never heard of it.
00:22:03Uh-huh.
00:22:04Looking back, what kind of symptoms did you have when you were a child,
00:22:07do you think, that would have tipped your family off or your doctors off?
00:22:11Definitely hypermobility.
00:22:12The hypermobility.
00:22:14You know, bring your thumb clear back to your wrist.
00:22:16You know, all your fingers back.
00:22:18I've had surgery on five of my ten fingers,
00:22:22now I can't do it, but I used to be able to pull all these fingers back all
00:22:24the way.
00:22:25Wow.
00:22:26I see a ditto there from our good friend, Rheanne.
00:22:28Okay.
00:22:29Anyway, I am shocked that,
00:22:31that today we're far better off today than we were say five years ago,
00:22:35but how many medical practitioners don't yet know what,
00:22:38if he's even right going, I don't know.
00:22:40I don't know.
00:22:42We still got a big education issue out here.
00:22:44So now they,
00:22:45let me,
00:22:46let me go back to another thing.
00:22:48And then those of you out there who have EDS,
00:22:50think about something.
00:22:51What used to be a,
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00:23:13One use to really confuse me
00:23:15when I started dealing
00:23:16with what he did.
00:23:17Right.
00:23:18Needed it was all the people who had
00:23:20other diseases.
00:23:22If you will,
00:23:23or condition.
00:23:24And I'm
00:23:27going to just,
00:23:28I've made a list here.
00:23:29What are you.
00:23:31I've kind of telling up.
00:23:32It's.
00:23:33This isn't the last word,
00:23:34This isn't the last word, but there's about 20 conditions that we've identified in our
00:23:41studies that people who have EDS, or one of these other conditions, such as psoriatic
00:23:49arthritis, scoliosis, or a bad case is ponderomal thesis, that's about the same thing, or that
00:24:00they get prior to developing arachnoiditis.
00:24:06What I want to get across, and you can maybe talk about your own case, you start off with
00:24:12this basic biologic condition, and then you get these other conditions, AA comes later.
00:24:22I'm going to read these off to you, and I want you to kind of tell me which one you
00:24:26think you had, and what you did about it.
00:24:29Here they are, burning mouth or feet, Chiari, dry eyes, dysautonomia, fibromyalgia, food
00:24:36or medication allergies or sensitivities, Hashimoto's, thyroiditis, multiple herniated
00:24:42discs, herpes cold sores, herpes genitalia, irritable bowel, lupus, mast cell activation,
00:24:49migraine, small fiber neuropathy, shingles, spinal fluid leaks, tarlof cysts, tethered
00:24:54cord.
00:24:55Wow.
00:24:56Now those are 20 conditions that we see.
00:25:02We don't ever see a case of AA in anybody who's had less than a few of these.
00:25:07And take a look at the list.
00:25:09I mean, we don't want to embarrass you now, but give us a rundown out of that 20, tell
00:25:15us your own experience.
00:25:17Well, that was my spinal trauma, is I had a spondylolisthesis.
00:25:23Yes.
00:25:24Burning feet.
00:25:25I could not walk hardly at all before I came to see you.
00:25:29And I started Taurine for that.
00:25:32It's one of the supplements I will never be without for burning feet.
00:25:37Dry eyes, I put eye drops in my eyes four or five times a day.
00:25:43I had cataract surgery recently and ended up with basically a road rash in my eyes because
00:25:52my eyes were already so dry prior to it.
00:25:55And that causes more dry eye.
00:26:00Fibromyalgia, I was diagnosed with that before I was diagnosed with AA.
00:26:06Do I have it?
00:26:07Or is it the AA symptoms?
00:26:09They're so similar.
00:26:10I'm not 100% sure on that one.
00:26:14Herniated discs.
00:26:15Yes.
00:26:17Colsors I've had since I was, oh gosh, probably 10.
00:26:22And I've always just used topical, but the last probably 10 years I've been using Valcyclovir
00:26:33as soon as I feel it pop up.
00:26:34I don't go anywhere where I'm out in the sun for any length of time without taking Valcyclovir
00:26:42because I know I'll get a colsor.
00:26:45Irritable bowel migraines I've had since my surgery.
00:26:51Well, I had them a little before my fuse, but now they're, you know, 17, 20 a month.
00:27:01Small fiber neuropathy, of course, and tethered cord.
00:27:06Yeah.
00:27:08Praise the Lord.
00:27:09I have never, not since my original surgery, had a spinal fluid leak.
00:27:14That's what caused my adhesive arachniditis, but they sealed it, laid flat on my back for
00:27:22three days, and I haven't had any problems with that.
00:27:24Thank goodness.
00:27:25Yeah.
00:27:26Wow.
00:27:27Now, Nancy, let's go a little further, because you're in a way our classic case.
00:27:33It started off with Iris Daniels.
00:27:35You may not have known that.
00:27:37And the Iris Daniels has an autoimmune part to it, a component, that deteriorates collagen
00:27:45in tissues.
00:27:46So then you developed a number of these other conditions.
00:27:51Now, what led then right on to the adhesive arachniditis?
00:27:58Well, the spinal trauma was this spondylolisthesis.
00:28:06When they were fusing that, they tore my drip.
00:28:10My blood leaked into the spinal cord.
00:28:15They sealed it.
00:28:17Of course, the glue-like substance started developing.
00:28:21That fuse was in January of 07, and it was October of 2014 when I was diagnosed.
00:28:29So it took seven and a half years before I was diagnosed with adhesive arachniditis,
00:28:35which I know I had because I had three months after my surgery, because when I was going
00:28:43back through my records, I found a report that actually said that somebody suspected
00:28:49from a CT three months after my surgery.
00:28:52Nobody mentioned that to you?
00:28:54No.
00:28:55Oh, man.
00:28:57Yeah.
00:29:02Did I diagnose your adhesive arachniditis?
00:29:04You said it was in your chart.
00:29:06So once you had this terrible problem with the surgery and the tear, what happened to
00:29:11you then?
00:29:13I went to Cleveland Clinic, which I educated them in 2014 with what I knew.
00:29:21And then a year later is when I came to see you, and that's when I really learned about
00:29:27arachniditis.
00:29:31Now, when we first saw you, did you say you had arachniditis or you were just looking
00:29:37for help or trying for pain help?
00:29:39What were you looking for?
00:29:41No, I already had the diagnosis, and I came to you to try to treat the symptoms that I
00:29:47had, the burning of the feet, the migraines, the fatigue, tremendous fatigue, and of course
00:29:58pain.
00:29:59Yeah.
00:30:04Let's go over, I want to go over now what you're doing for yourself.
00:30:09Because you have, let me, before we get into that, I've got a basic question.
00:30:17Have you gotten better?
00:30:18Have you gotten worse?
00:30:19Or have you stayed the same?
00:30:21I definitely have got better.
00:30:23Right there, right now.
00:30:26Yay.
00:30:28There are still people, and anybody listening to this, get those words out there.
00:30:34If there is one thing that ruins my day, and a lot of them get ruined, because some doctor
00:30:41or some patient is told there's nothing that can be done.
00:30:45Yeah.
00:30:46Okay?
00:30:47Well, there's nothing we can do.
00:30:48So they discharge you or refuse to see you, not give you an appointment.
00:30:53And they say, oh, there's nothing you can do about it.
00:30:56Now, fortunately, I'm hearing that less and less.
00:31:00Can I clarify something?
00:31:01Yeah, sure.
00:31:02I can't say that the arachniditis has gotten better.
00:31:06My symptoms have got better, and I have slowed or stopped it from progressing.
00:31:11And that doesn't mean that the arachniditis is not there.
00:31:15It is definitely still there on my MRIs.
00:31:19I just have learned how to manage it.
00:31:22Wow.
00:31:23That's wonderful, Nancy.
00:31:28I might as well come back and talk about how would you know if it had gotten better?
00:31:34But you say your symptoms have gotten better.
00:31:36Yes.
00:31:37What symptoms have gotten better?
00:31:40I've learned how to manage the fatigue with hormones and hormone replacement.
00:31:46That was a huge issue with my fatigue.
00:31:49I had none.
00:31:50I had no hormones.
00:31:51They were totally depleted.
00:31:55The supplements that I take fight the burning of my legs.
00:32:02I'm one of the lucky ones that can take Lyrica, thank goodness.
00:32:05I take the lowest dose there is, but it is enough to help.
00:32:10I have tried to go off it with all the supplements, and it's not.
00:32:14The pros outweigh the cons still for me, for sure.
00:32:21It's just the fatigue and the burning were huge for me.
00:32:28Dry eye, I can't say has got better, but fatigue and the burning has got better.
00:32:37Above all else, I've learned to manage the inflammation as well.
00:32:45I'm not 100% perfect.
00:32:47That's for darn sure.
00:32:48I still eat salt, which I know I shouldn't.
00:32:52Life goes on for me, and I do the best I can.
00:32:56I definitely know when my inflammation is high.
00:33:01Symptoms come barreling right back in my face.
00:33:05I know it's time to do a dose path or a Catorlax shot.
00:33:13Summer is not good.
00:33:15Too much camping food.
00:33:18For sure.
00:33:20Let's talk about the three basic components, which are suppression of inflammation,
00:33:25number two, regeneration of tissues, and three, pain relief.
00:33:31You mentioned inflammation.
00:33:33What do you do on a regular basis to keep your inflammation under control?
00:33:42Probably a year and a half after I was diagnosed,
00:33:47I went off of all my pain medicine, and I take low dose naltrexone.
00:33:53I do believe that that has helped tremendously.
00:34:01It was hard to go off of the pain medicine,
00:34:04but I do believe it was the best thing I could have ever done.
00:34:08I still have pain medicine available when I need it or if I overdo it.
00:34:14But I don't have to take it very often.
00:34:18One other thing.
00:34:19You were the very first.
00:34:21You had a lot of firsts in my journey through the arachnoid dinosaurs.
00:34:27You were one of the first people.
00:34:29You showed me one time.
00:34:30I was talking on the phone with you,
00:34:33and you told me that you had obtained some adrenal cortex.
00:34:39Remember that?
00:34:40It was in your office.
00:34:41Yeah, and I showed you the bottle.
00:34:44I fell out of my chair.
00:34:46How long ago was that?
00:34:47That was in 2016.
00:34:51The reason I fell out of my chair is that years ago,
00:34:56we used it back in the 70s and 80s all the time for both withdrawal from narcotics,
00:35:04if you were an addict, but we also used it for pain,
00:35:06and then the FDA took it off the market.
00:35:09Wow.
00:35:10They didn't allow it to come back on until you told me,
00:35:13and you brought it out.
00:35:15You've been using it ever since?
00:35:17Every day.
00:35:20And you buy it without a prescription?
00:35:21Yeah, I use Thorne Adrenal Cortex.
00:35:27That's the one I showed you, and that's the one I'm still taking.
00:35:30I have backed it off to three to four days a week rather than seven days a week.
00:35:35It just depends on if my fatigue comes back, if I'll bump it up.
00:35:39It turns out that the adrenal cortex, when it first came on the market,
00:35:43the analysis kind of indicated it was only for inflammation.
00:35:47It turns out that those adrenal products are also DHEA,
00:35:53and there's some other tissue-building hormones in it.
00:36:01It's got a lot of things in it.
00:36:03Do you follow the label, or do you take more than the label?
00:36:06How do you take it?
00:36:07I just take one.
00:36:09Like I said, I took seven days a week for years,
00:36:13but in the last year and a half, maybe, I've gone to either three or four days a week with it.
00:36:20What's your routine basis for inflammation?
00:36:24You've got your naltrexone, you've got your adrenal cortex.
00:36:27I do still take dose packs.
00:36:29I'll take probably 15 a month, whether it's in a dose pack or one a day.
00:36:38It depends on what I'm doing.
00:36:39If I'm going somewhere that I need that extra boost, I'll usually do a dose pack, 5-4-3-2-1,
00:36:48and then I'll take one pill a day the whole time I'm doing something.
00:36:53It kind of gives me a headache, so I don't like to do it while I'm doing something,
00:36:57like the dose pack totally.
00:36:59I'll just go down to the one a day so that I can manage my migraines.
00:37:07I would say consistently, I will take 15 methylprednisolone a month.
00:37:12It depends on what I'm doing as to how I take it.
00:37:15I also do Catorlax shots, 60 milligrams twice a month.
00:37:20Twice a month on the Catorlax?
00:37:22Yeah.
00:37:23That's a pretty good program.
00:37:24The medrol or methylprednisolone is 4 milligrams?
00:37:274 milligrams.
00:37:28Okay, well, that's a good inflammation program.
00:37:30Are you doing anything now for tissue regeneration?
00:37:36The regrowth tissues?
00:37:37I do take Bits on Your Protocol.
00:37:40Rhonda, you sell one of them.
00:37:43I don't know if you're listening, but Rhonda sells one of them that I take.
00:37:46It's not hers that I take, but I do take something.
00:37:49And then the other one I get at Costco, collagen.
00:37:51That's what I'm trying to do.
00:37:52I take collagen and, yeah, the other one that Rhonda takes,
00:38:00I take taurine, 2,000 milligrams a day.
00:38:06And those are on a regular basis.
00:38:09I take 3,000 milligrams of vitamin C.
00:38:12And then the adrenal cortex.
00:38:17That's pretty much all I take on a regular basis.
00:38:19I try stuff.
00:38:21If I don't see a benefit, I don't continue it.
00:38:24One thing, if you will, that has helped me to let others know is the 3 C's,
00:38:31the 3 P's, if you stick with the 3 P's, the high-protein diet,
00:38:36and then your peptides, PEA with luteolin,
00:38:40and then the C's are the vitamin C, collagen, and colostrum.
00:38:44Trying to come up with these little things to remember these with.
00:38:47I don't know if that helps anyone, but sorry.
00:38:50Colostrum was the one I was trying to think of.
00:38:54Yeah, tell me about your colostrum.
00:38:56What kind do you take and how often?
00:38:58I don't know, but I take it.
00:39:00I take collagen.
00:39:03I take seven days a week.
00:39:05Colostrum I take three days a week.
00:39:07Okay.
00:39:08I'm going to come back to that in a minute.
00:39:11Now let's go to the third component, pain relief.
00:39:13Now you just said something that's music to my ear.
00:39:16You said that your Lyrica works for you, right?
00:39:21Tell us about your Lyrica or anything else you're doing for pain.
00:39:25By pain, I also mean burning feet, migraines, not just back pain,
00:39:31but your other painful conditions.
00:39:34Lyrica, tell us about your Lyrica and whatever else you're doing
00:39:37directly for pain.
00:39:39Lyrica, I take one in the morning and one at night.
00:39:42I think it's 100 milligrams.
00:39:46I also, when I'm traveling in a car or on my feet more than a few hours at
00:39:54a time, I also, my pain management has read a lot of studies that Lyrica
00:40:03and gabapentin, even though similar, are not the same,
00:40:06and they work on different brain receptors.
00:40:08And so he has prescribed gabapentin for me actually for breakthrough
00:40:14when I am on my feet too long or traveling.
00:40:18And so I'll take my Lyrica in the morning and at night,
00:40:21but when I'm such as down here, I will take a gabapentin midday
00:40:26for breakthrough, for nerve pain.
00:40:32Now, let me go back.
00:40:34You know, you overlooked something that I know I'm going to sneak
00:40:40something in on you here now.
00:40:42I asked you what you were doing to regenerate tissue.
00:40:45Now, you forgot to tell all these people what a good cook you are.
00:40:49Now, I've eaten at her house, and I happen to know that she
00:40:54and her family eat a little protein.
00:40:58Okay?
00:40:59Now, when you have this disease or any of the other tropical pain conditions,
00:41:06protein, which are amino acids and which are collagen, that's medicine.
00:41:12Okay?
00:41:13I mean, you eat fish or you eat steak or lamb or have an egg.
00:41:17You're taking medicine.
00:41:19Okay?
00:41:20It may not be medicine for other people, but for you, that's medicine.
00:41:24Okay?
00:41:25So if you've got AA, Ehlers-Danlos, and tropical pain syndrome,
00:41:29you've got one of our bad diseases, protein is medicine for you,
00:41:34and you take that.
00:41:37And so anyway, I wanted to tell you that you missed one.
00:41:42Now, you also something else told me that I want to cover a little bit.
00:41:47You also, when I met him, you've actually got a good chiropractor
00:41:51you go to.
00:41:52Okay?
00:41:53Now, a lot of chiropractors, if they don't know what they're doing,
00:41:56can hurt you, and we've seen things like that.
00:42:00You've got one who knows what he's doing, and you go to him whenever
00:42:04you get some breakthrough.
00:42:05Don't you?
00:42:06You get a flare?
00:42:07Absolutely.
00:42:08When I have the crab attached to the end of your nerve roots,
00:42:15and it just doesn't let up, I'll go in.
00:42:19And believe it or not, obviously, it's an adhesive retinitis,
00:42:24but it's usually my pelvis is tilted a little bit too much to where it's
00:42:30putting more pressure than it should be.
00:42:32And I know it's my pelvis because he'll adjust it, and that pain will go away.
00:42:36And so if you have not tried that, and that crab attachment does not let up,
00:42:44it might be worth a while to see if your pelvis just needs a little bit
00:42:47of adjusting.
00:42:49He doesn't snap me.
00:42:50It's active release.
00:42:52He's amazing.
00:42:54But find somebody and see if it works for you.
00:42:57It does for me.
00:43:01If you go to a chiropractor and you have adhesive retinitis,
00:43:05you need to tell the chiropractor or the physical therapist,
00:43:08that's what you have, and that we do recommend certain things that they do
00:43:13that are quite good at.
00:43:14Number one, you can't be stressed.
00:43:17No.
00:43:18Okay?
00:43:19You can't be stressed.
00:43:20Number two, they can't try to snap you.
00:43:22Okay?
00:43:24Now, what they can do is they can do all kinds of strengthening and lengthening,
00:43:28and the massage is fantastic.
00:43:30And anything to do with electromagnetic therapies
00:43:35or electro therapies are certainly worth trying.
00:43:38I'm going to come back to that in just a moment.
00:43:41Now, you just said that you just came back from a camping trip.
00:43:47I take it that you didn't used to be able to go camping.
00:43:53No, I've always been camping.
00:43:55I'm just more active when I go camping.
00:43:57Now, I actually get to float the river now,
00:44:00instead of watching people float the river.
00:44:02Have you gotten medical permission to do this kind of activity?
00:44:08I hope your doctor's not watching this show.
00:44:16They might not let you back on the thing.
00:44:18You're cured.
00:44:19You're out.
00:44:20No disability, no medicine, no treatment.
00:44:22You're done.
00:44:23Get back on the river.
00:44:25And I haven't had to go to my chiropractor yet.
00:44:27I came here instead.
00:44:31All right.
00:44:32We'll do that.
00:44:37I had a couple of questions that just came in.
00:44:39I do want to answer.
00:44:40Somebody asked the question,
00:44:41did you take your adrenal cortex along with your hydrocortisone or your
00:44:45mineral?
00:44:46The answer is yes.
00:44:48The adrenal cortex or the whole adrenal gland has a whole lot of different
00:44:52hormones in it.
00:44:53And in fact,
00:44:54the one that probably does you the most good is DHEA.
00:44:57It's in the cortex or in that product.
00:45:01They've got an assay.
00:45:03And so that may be the hormone that's in it that's helping you.
00:45:07So you may be killing two birds with one stone without adrenal cortex.
00:45:11You might be getting some inflammatory.
00:45:13Plus you may be getting a nerve regeneration and you didn't really realize
00:45:18that.
00:45:19Okay.
00:45:20So do you have a prescription compound of estradiol and progesterone capsules
00:45:25that I take a pretty high dose?
00:45:28Cause like I said,
00:45:29I didn't have any hormones at all.
00:45:31And also somebody asking that they weren't sure they had a,
00:45:37but they had an intractable pain.
00:45:39Let me address this quickly.
00:45:42The three components,
00:45:44suppression or reduction of inflammation and autoimmunity.
00:45:48Number one,
00:45:49number two,
00:45:50regeneration of damaged tissues.
00:45:52And number three,
00:45:53pain relief.
00:45:54That is the universal treatment.
00:45:56Now I didn't invent it.
00:45:58I think Socrates or Hippocrates or somebody besides me a long time ago,
00:46:03came up with this.
00:46:05This is not new.
00:46:07You think that we came up with this thing as if it's some brand new,
00:46:10a one deal.
00:46:12It is not.
00:46:13It's as old as Methuselah.
00:46:16Suppression of inflammation,
00:46:18regeneration of tissue and pain relief.
00:46:20This is what it's all about.
00:46:22And so really I realized that I tend to talk about it.
00:46:28He's even right.
00:46:29Right.
00:46:30It doesn't show kind of focuses on that because the major causes of
00:46:34intractable pain today are DC,
00:46:36but right.
00:46:37Right.
00:46:38It is a reflex sympathetic dysentery or CRPS or just severe neuropathy.
00:46:43Number two.
00:46:44The third major problem is probably traumatic brain injuries today.
00:46:48And then the fourth one probably.
00:46:51And so something like Connelly,
00:46:53quite a chronic syndrome or something like that.
00:46:56So anyway,
00:46:57we have the big three,
00:46:58the neuropathies,
00:47:00which are the CRPS or RSD traumatic brain injuries and your adhesive
00:47:05arachnoid.
00:47:06So those are the big three and they're all treated pretty much the same.
00:47:09So anything that you hear here on one,
00:47:12you can pretty well apply to the other.
00:47:14So what did you have in mind?
00:47:18Well,
00:47:19I just think that that same same thing it's,
00:47:22it's treated the same.
00:47:23Yeah.
00:47:24You have managed to find.
00:47:27Medical help in your local community.
00:47:30Do you have any,
00:47:32we get inquiries into the foundation almost daily.
00:47:36What do you know?
00:47:37What doctor can we refer them to?
00:47:40I need a name of a specialist.
00:47:42Tell us what you've done to find medical care.
00:47:45And what would you tell somebody who says,
00:47:48I need to find a medical specialist in Delaware or Florida or.
00:47:53Somewhere else.
00:47:57I've been lucky, but I will tell you one thing.
00:48:00It's a pain management office.
00:48:04It's a pain management office.
00:48:06And.
00:48:09And I've been lucky because it is a pain management office who does
00:48:13epidurals every day, but.
00:48:15But the reason why I'm still there is because he listens to me.
00:48:19And if he wasn't, if he wasn't a doctor that didn't listen to me.
00:48:24With what I took to him and asked him, can I try this?
00:48:28I wouldn't stay there.
00:48:30Because nobody knows our condition.
00:48:33As well as we do, because like Dr.
00:48:35Tennant said earlier.
00:48:38It's just a rare disease and it's not out there enough yet.
00:48:41And so we have to educate ourselves. And so if,
00:48:45if you go to a doctor and he's not willing.
00:48:47Don't get frustrated.
00:48:50Just know that it wasn't the right doctor and keep looking.
00:48:53Let me summarize that by saying this.
00:48:57I get asked all the time for the name of a specialist.
00:49:01And I think that maybe sometimes they think that since I've sort of
00:49:04specialized in it, there ought to be a lot of other forests.
00:49:07It's out there.
00:49:08We don't have the cases are too rare.
00:49:11To have specialist yet, however.
00:49:14That said, I can tell you that I'm starting to gather the list of names.
00:49:18Some good.
00:49:20Physicians around the country who are starting to get interested in this
00:49:23far more than ever used to be.
00:49:25And I think one of the reasons is,
00:49:27is that I now follow a number of physicians who have the disease.
00:49:30Once you get the disease, you get real interested.
00:49:34As you know, that's right.
00:49:36And so we're getting a lot of good nurses and doctors out there who do
00:49:40have it.
00:49:41And they're spreading the word.
00:49:42Nancy, is there anything, like I say,
00:49:45you've been a wonderful person for our foundation for me,
00:49:49for the field.
00:49:50What else would you like to tell the audience?
00:49:54It's on your mind that you think would help in any aspect that you think
00:49:58is important.
00:50:02I'm just grateful that there is one doctor tenant out there and I'm
00:50:05grateful that he is willing to, to.
00:50:09To train other doctor tenants out there, which is what he's doing.
00:50:13And, and his,
00:50:15his knowledge is going to go on and on and on.
00:50:20And I'm really happy to be a small part of that.
00:50:25But there again,
00:50:28we have to make sure that that information gets to the doctor that you
00:50:31want or that you're, you're going to see.
00:50:34And so don't be afraid to take something to them.
00:50:38And if a doctor's close minded and won't listen, it's not the right doctor.
00:50:42Move on, move on.
00:50:45And doctors, if you're listening, listen to your patients.
00:50:53At the close of this hour today, I'm going to try each,
00:50:57each session I'll either have an exercise of the week or a new treatment of
00:51:01the week. This is new treatment of the week.
00:51:04I have in the last two or three weeks for maybe just out of the blue,
00:51:10a lot of new treatments that people say are working. Okay.
00:51:15And I've got to be sending out a bulletin or two,
00:51:18it lists several new treatments.
00:51:19So I'm going to mention a couple of them here and what I didn't like about the
00:51:24people telling me about the new treatments,
00:51:26they all seem to fit in one of the three major components,
00:51:29either suppression of inflammation, regeneration of tissue or pain relief.
00:51:33And I'm going to talk about two or three here tonight.
00:51:35And I'd like to have people try it.
00:51:38And one of the goals of my,
00:51:40myself personally and our foundation is to try and those of you who get our
00:51:44bulletins, you'll see them. And then if you don't get our bulletins,
00:51:48get on our list, it's free. And we want to share,
00:51:52we want to be a clearing house for new ideas,
00:51:56new treatments because we are trying to deal with rare cases.
00:52:00And so I'm going to pass a couple of new things on.
00:52:04Here's one that just blew my mind.
00:52:06I had somebody call up and say that they were just darn near ready to commit
00:52:11suicide over their burning feet. And,
00:52:15and of course, good wires always come up with something out of the,
00:52:18out of the blue.
00:52:19She went and got the oldest treatment in the book and that's witch hazel and
00:52:25put witch hazel on his feet.
00:52:27The lyricals of alliums worked for him,
00:52:31but witch hazel did.
00:52:33Now I wanted to look up witch hazel,
00:52:36and I'm still not quite sure where that comes from,
00:52:39but it's an old treatment. Witch hazel never hurt anybody.
00:52:43So you can give it a go if you want to. And the second one,
00:52:47I do want to spend a little time talking about,
00:52:51we have a gentleman who's very knowledgeable,
00:52:53who tried everything under the sun for his AA and he had the money to do it.
00:52:58Bariatric chambers, the big, the big, big institutions,
00:53:02the Mayo's and what have you, nothing seemed to help.
00:53:05But he decided to try two things together at one time.
00:53:10One is a drug that we don't use enough.
00:53:14I use it, but I haven't talked about it enough.
00:53:17And that's the drug pentoxafilin. Trade name is Trento.
00:53:22What this drug was originally brought on the market to do was to help
00:53:28change the shape of blood cells.
00:53:30So it would get into tissues to cut down inflammation and bring in healing
00:53:36dissolve epidural fibrosis.
00:53:39Epidural fibrosis is fundamentally adhesive arachnoiditis on the outside of
00:53:45the spinal canal cover. Adhesive arachnoiditis is on the inside.
00:53:50And I have a number of people who are benefited by this.
00:53:54It does look like it is one of the fact that at this point,
00:53:58as I sit here is the only drug I know that may break up adhesions.
00:54:04And so it is well worth trying.
00:54:07It's a 400 milligram dosage, two tablets, one or two tablets a day.
00:54:12We don't know quite the dosage,
00:54:14but we've had people get better literally after two weeks of regenerating
00:54:19tissues. And, but it may start breaking up the adhesions.
00:54:25But the other thing that this gentleman has done, which I'm going to be,
00:54:30I want to advocate,
00:54:32he has found somebody who's come up with a micro current frequency that seemed
00:54:38to work. And the two together seem to have helped this gentleman break up
00:54:43adhesions and get quite a good recovery. Electro currents,
00:54:48talk about electromagnetic waves, all these things have had a place,
00:54:52but some of the micro currents and I figured some smart electromagnetic person,
00:54:57some good physical therapist or chiropractor would come up with the right
00:55:02frequencies and what have you.
00:55:03Bottom line is micro currents seem to be able to penetrate through the
00:55:10ligamentum flavum and through the canal covering into where the adhesions are.
00:55:17And the combination of the trunk towel and these micro currents may be a
00:55:23treatment of the future.
00:55:24So I want to bring those out to at least introduce them tonight and you'll be
00:55:27hearing more about these. And above all,
00:55:30I want people to do any drug hormone supplement,
00:55:34anything you hear that's working, we'll, we'll talk about it.
00:55:38We'll get it out there.
00:55:39We don't need double blind control studies because we've got a rare disease.
00:55:43We're on our own.
00:55:44We're going to have to just try some things that seem to work.
00:55:46So these are two things that I've heard about in the last month that I thought
00:55:50I'd bring them out. One of them is the oldest Hills,
00:55:53which Hazel for burning feet.
00:55:55And the other is we may be on track to figure out exactly the best way and try
00:56:00to break up adhesions inside the spinal canal.
00:56:03And for those of you like Nancy doing pretty well,
00:56:06maybe this is an Avenue you want to try to start working out.
00:56:10I don't have a real, a lot of specifics yet.
00:56:12You kept front towel is cheap, simple, non-controlled drug.
00:56:16All the doctors, the doctors will prescribe it.
00:56:18It's 400 milligrams once or twice a day.
00:56:21Next program we'll always have some of the new things there.
00:56:24And also in our bulletins, we're going to just list a lot of new treatments.
00:56:28I don't want anybody to think that these are got any big approval or
00:56:33acceptance,
00:56:34but if we hear something new and somebody's benefited,
00:56:36we're going to pass them off.
00:56:37Thanks so much. I know you're visiting your grandmother.
00:56:39I understand she's in her nineties.
00:56:40She's 95.
00:56:42Yes.
00:56:43Every minute with her is just appreciate everybody.
00:56:47Throw a throw Jamie, your questions.
00:56:49And we'll look for you next time. Great to see you. We'll sign off.
00:56:52Goodbye.
00:56:53So much.
00:56:54Good night, everyone. You're not alone.
00:56:56I'll stay around for five more minutes to get those questions for everyone.
00:56:59Thank you, Nancy, so much. God bless all of you.
00:57:03Thanks Dr. Tennant. And thank you, Miriam as well.
00:57:05And Tom and Becky and everyone who is here tonight.
00:57:08Thank you all so very much.
00:57:10We did have a very good question.
00:57:12And this is the nerve flossing.
00:57:15So if you'd like to talk about that a little bit more,
00:57:18that might help some of us.
00:57:20I'd never heard of it before until, you know, this assault.
00:57:24And then the regular exercises they were giving me hurt so badly.
00:57:28That they did me on this nerve flossing and nerve gliding.
00:57:32And.
00:57:33I'd never heard of it before.
00:57:35And they're just such small movements, really.
00:57:38And the one that's helped me the most.
00:57:40Is the one.
00:57:43They say it's for the sciatica and you can look them up on YouTube.
00:57:46But it is from head to toe.
00:57:48And it is so easy. Yeah.
00:57:50It's so easy.
00:57:51It's so easy.
00:57:52It's so easy.
00:57:53It's so easy.
00:57:54It's so easy.
00:57:55It's so easy.
00:57:56It's so easy.
00:57:57It's so easy.
00:57:58It's so easy.
00:57:59It's so easy.
00:58:00It's so easy.
00:58:01It's so easy.
00:58:02It's so easy.
00:58:03It's so easy.
00:58:04It's so easy.
00:58:05It's so easy.
00:58:06It's so easy.
00:58:07It's so easy.
00:58:08It's so easy.
00:58:09It's so easy.
00:58:10It is so easy.
00:58:12Yeah.
00:58:13Where you're doing down and up and you're pointing your toe at the same
00:58:16time.
00:58:17And lifting your leg.
00:58:18Very easy.
00:58:19It doesn't hurt.
00:58:20And.
00:58:22You know, 20 minutes, 20 minutes.
00:58:25I did like five on one side, then five on the other.
00:58:27And then 15 minutes later, I tried it again because I thought, well,
00:58:31That didn't do anything. You know.
00:58:34And I was surprised that like, half an hour later, I thought, Oh my gosh, I can move better.
00:58:45And so, I was really surprised.
00:58:50And so I kind of wanted to bring that up and, and they also call it nerve motivation.
00:58:55Oh, good.
00:58:56That's, that's really interesting.
00:58:58And I know Dr. Tennant's gonna love to, he'll have much more to say about that, but that
00:59:04I'm sure goes right with the protocol of the nerve regeneration.
00:59:07Thanks for bringing that up, Brianne, I appreciate that.
00:59:10So I found it on an article about AA, and they said, well, nerve motivation helps.
00:59:16And I thought, what in the world is that?
00:59:20And I found out that it was this nerve gliding or nerve flossing.
00:59:23So yeah, nerve motivation, guys.
00:59:26Yeah, yeah.
00:59:27It's nerve money.
00:59:28If you're anything like me, any little bit of help helps.
00:59:31I don't care.
00:59:32It doesn't have to be leaps and bounds.
00:59:35It's an improvement is an improvement to me.
00:59:37So yeah, that's wonderful news, small movements that don't seem to do anything, but I was
00:59:44surprised.
00:59:45So it's amazing what the body can do.
00:59:47It really is.
00:59:48All right.
00:59:49Thanks so much, Brianne.
00:59:50I appreciate you so much.
00:59:51God bless you.
00:59:52Love you.
00:59:53How you doing?
00:59:54Hi, I have my hand because yes, I wanted to know the spelling of that.
01:00:03Yeah, talk to the doctor.
01:00:05And I think it's a it's a prescription, right?
01:00:09You are correct.
01:00:10Yes, that is a prescription, but it is non control.
01:00:14And one thing I'll just let you know that, like Dr. Tennant has said a few times, especially
01:00:20in his booklets is when physicians and clinicians realize that a patient has done some self
01:00:27help measures and that they have gone the extra mile to find out answers or solutions
01:00:36or just ways of helping themselves, they're more apt to help you.
01:00:40And so I just wanted to throw that out there.
01:00:42If you let them know, listen, this is what I've been doing to try to help myself.
01:00:47This is what has worked.
01:00:49This is what doesn't work, those types of things.
01:00:51It just helps to build more rapport and a better doctor patient relationship.
01:00:56And that's what we want restored.
01:00:58This Pinto, whatever it is, is that part of the name or is that like a generic name for
01:01:05Trentel?
01:01:07That's a very good question.
01:01:08I would say the second thing you said is probably the case.
01:01:12I'd say that's the generic is going to be the pentoxifilin and the Trentel is going
01:01:17to be the trade.
01:01:18So, yeah.
01:01:19All right.
01:01:20Well, I sure appreciate everyone so very much.
01:01:22I hate to bring it to a close, but I haven't seen grandma in five years and I don't have
01:01:26much time with her.
01:01:27So thank you so much.
01:01:32So thank you.
01:01:33God bless you.
01:01:34And we'll see you very soon.
01:01:35OK.
01:01:36OK.
01:01:37Thank you so much.
01:01:38All right.
01:01:39OK.
01:01:40Thank you, Jamie.
01:01:41Thank you so much.
01:01:42Take care.
01:01:43Good night.
01:01:44Good night.
01:01:45Night.
01:01:46Night.
01:01:47Night.
01:01:48Night.
01:01:49Night.
01:01:50Night.
01:01:51Night.