Doctors and pharmacies are intimidated by the threat of having their licenses and property assets flagged for civil asset forfeiture without a jury trial. In contrast, cartels are granted fair and speedy trial due process, but not for all the incarcerated doctors.
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00:00So Brandy has some news to tell us with that background.
00:04You can fill in the rest of the background
00:05if you like Brandy,
00:06or you can tell us your incredible news.
00:08Go ahead.
00:11So I just wanna make it very clear that
00:16I'm sure a lot of you have seen the video
00:19that Dr. Ibsen did with her query ons.
00:22She's not a doctor by the way,
00:24she's just a licensed nurse practitioner.
00:26So for her to question Dr. Ibsen, Dr. Laumler,
00:31all of my providers that put me on my dose of meds,
00:37well, she knew better than any of them.
00:39So it was torture, agony.
00:45I was on my deathbed.
00:47And at first I really wanted to help her.
00:53I wanted to teach her like a teachable moment
00:56cause I'm a teacher
00:58and I always look for a teachable moment.
01:02But she didn't wanna learn anything.
01:04She wasn't there for that.
01:05She was there to force taper and deny access to everyone.
01:13In any event, I wrote to the main human rights commission
01:19and I've gotten stories from people everywhere
01:25that they have refused to help them.
01:27They won't take up their cases.
01:30And I was just getting ready to file an injunction
01:34to force St. Joe's to do my meds.
01:38When the mail came
01:40and the main human rights commission opened
01:43to two complaints,
01:47one against St. Joseph's hospital
01:50and one against Eva Quirion
01:53for discrimination and disability abuse.
01:58I have looked at all the cases and I can't find one.
02:01So I believe this is the first pain,
02:06refugee, pain patient,
02:07discrimination, disability abuse case for Maine.
02:11And it's really big because,
02:14well, they brag about having over 77% of people
02:19in the state completely off of opiates.
02:23So I'm praying that I will be able to prove the case.
02:27I have to, I do not,
02:31I am not assuming that I will win because believe me,
02:36it's been one thing after another.
02:40But I ask you to pray for me
02:42because hopefully I will win.
02:44If I do, it will set precedent in Maine
02:47and hopefully cause the board of medicine to get updated.
02:51They're still going by the 2016 guidelines,
02:53which is absolutely ridiculous.
02:59Okay, let's wait just one second.
03:01Okay, we have 32 people on this call.
03:04I think it would be great if all 32 of us
03:06said a prayer for Brandy and for Eva.
03:09What do you say?
03:13Okay, people.
03:15Dear God,
03:16Dear God,
03:16Dear God,
03:17Dear God,
03:18In your overwhelming compassion,
03:20In your overwhelming compassion,
03:21In your overwhelming compassion,
03:21In your overwhelming compassion,
03:22Please,
03:23Please,
03:24Please,
03:25Please,
03:26Please,
03:26Please,
03:27Open the hearts of the people
03:29on the Human Rights Commission.
03:31Please open the hearts of the queer young,
03:34and the other people in Maine
03:35that have this sad and tragic belief
03:39that those of us who are in pain are criminals.
03:42And despite how angry we are with them,
03:45please bring them to a sense of compassion,
03:49not only for Brandy and other patients in Maine,
03:53but for themselves,
03:54because it's a soul-destroying thing
03:56to try to murder somebody one pill at a time.
03:59Thank you, God.
04:00Thank you for the opportunity for us
04:02to gather here together.
04:04Thank you for your understanding and your compassion.
04:09Thank you, God.
04:13Yes, dear Jesus.
04:14Yes.
04:15Yes, dear Jesus.
04:16Amen.
04:17Amen.
04:18To you, Brandy.
04:19Amen.
04:20To you, Brandy.
04:23All right.
04:24Well, that's the most important work
04:25we're doing this afternoon.
04:26Tell us the rest of the story, please, Brandy.
04:30I just wanna make it,
04:32I just wanna make it clear for everybody here.
04:35Don't give up.
04:36Don't give up.
04:38If you are being denied access or forced tapered,
04:42check to see if you have a Human Rights Commission
04:45or a Civil Rights Commission in your state,
04:49and don't give up, please.
04:53I believe that-
04:55That reminds me to ask a question.
04:58I've been recommending to patients
04:59that they file a complaint with the Justice Department
05:04because they're in violation
05:05of the Americans with Disabilities Act.
05:08Did you consider that?
05:09And why did you take this course instead of the ADA course?
05:16I filed a DOJ complaint.
05:18I filed every complaint, but-
05:21I knew it.
05:25Yeah.
05:27You just file wherever you-
05:28Okay.
05:32Now, the problem with Americans with Disabilities Act,
05:36there is no agency called the ADA, okay?
05:38The ADA is a law that was passed in 1991, I think,
05:43or 93, something like that.
05:45And so, it's the Americans with Disabilities Act,
05:49but it's administered by the Department of Justice.
05:51And that would be,
05:55they wouldn't necessarily be wide open
05:58to defending your rights as a patient
06:00since the Department of Justice is still convinced
06:04that people who use opiates
06:06and the doctors who prescribe them are criminals.
06:09So, that may be why those complaints didn't go anywhere.
06:14But I'm sure that complaints to the Human Rights Commission
06:18and the United Nations has a Human Rights Commission
06:20also has reported about the situation
06:23of pain medicine in America and it wasn't good.
06:27Okay, Brandy, so did they give you a timeline
06:29or are you waiting for hearing more
06:32or do they want more from you
06:33or what's the next course for you?
06:35So, the hospital and EVA have 60 days to respond
06:43and then I get to rebut what they say.
06:47So, right now, I'm getting all of my evidence on,
06:51cause I sent it by email and it has to be on flash drive.
06:56So, I'm getting all of my evidence on flash drives
07:00and sending it to them.
07:03The way that I believe that you can get them
07:06with the Human Rights Commission is,
07:09if you are at a facility that receives
07:11federal financial aid, they have to follow federal law.
07:17So, that is one violation.
07:20The other violation, I believe,
07:21is because the sublocate REM injectable
07:24that they were also trying to coerce us on
07:27is not FDA approved for pain management.
07:31So...
07:32I wonder why.
07:34Exactly.
07:35It doesn't work for pain.
07:36No, it doesn't, no, but there are different ways
07:40that you can do it and if anybody has any questions,
07:44all you have to do is message me
07:46and I will help you in any way that I can.
07:51God bless you.
07:53So, you're saying that they tried to coerce you
07:58into using an addiction medication to relieve your pain.
08:04And, I don't know, I'm thinking of some analogies
08:07like maybe putting water in your tires
08:11or putting an umbrella over your house
08:16instead of putting a roof on.
08:17I mean, it's not really the solution
08:20to the problem that you've got.
08:21If you have a pain problem, we know you're not addicted,
08:25you're dependent.
08:27And dependent is...
08:30Dependency means your body needs something
08:33that's become adjusted to.
08:35Addiction means you're using a harmful substance
08:37and continuing to use it despite ongoing harm.
08:42Now that you're able to get medications intermittently
08:46and kind of cliffhanger way every week,
08:53are you being harmed?
08:55No, I'm not being harmed.
08:58Did that medication harm you?
09:00No, it saved my life.
09:02You're alive, you're engaged in your own health defense,
09:07you're becoming a formidable advocate
09:12and inspiration for everybody who's listening to this.
09:15So, this would be proof to anybody who's in any doubt
09:18that people who need a medication,
09:21when they take the medication, they do better.
09:25And we have evidence that you are doing better
09:28since we restored your previous doses of medication.
09:34Anybody that got an argument with that that's here,
09:36put your hand up or ask a question and saying,
09:40how could you possibly tolerate
09:41a large number of medications
09:43or how can you live with this kind of pain
09:46and how do you do it week to week
09:48when you're not certain
09:49where you're gonna get your prescriptions filled,
09:51who's gonna fill it and how much you're gonna get?
09:54How do you deal with that uncertainty, Brandy?
09:57Horrible, I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
09:59I still haven't been able to meet my first grandchild.
10:03I can't travel, I have no stability
10:08because my meds are my foundation.
10:10If I don't have that, I can't do anything.
10:13So, why can't you just get on a plane
10:16and fly to South Carolina and visit your grandchild?
10:21Well, because I never know
10:22from when I'm gonna get six days worth of meds,
10:2610 days worth of meds or I don't know.
10:33Dr. Quirion not only almost killed me,
10:36but she shut down my pharmacy that I had been with.
10:41Oh, wow, tell us about that.
10:43What happened there?
10:44Yeah, she red flagged me in the pharmacy system
10:48and she told the pharmacy manager
10:51not to fill your prescription.
10:54So-
10:55How can she do that?
10:56Where does she have the right to do that?
10:59That's exactly right.
11:01And that's hopefully what the Human Rights Commission
11:06is going to come to the conclusion of.
11:12Yeah.
11:14Because I didn't do anything wrong
11:15and I actually have audio recording
11:17of the pharmacy manager admitting I did nothing wrong
11:21and she had to follow policy and a checklist.
11:26Oh, so we are now reduced to checklist medicine.
11:29Is that correct?
11:31Right.
11:33Now, when I was in medical school,
11:37there was a favorite phrase that was saying,
11:40when you hear hoof beats, think horses, not zebras.
11:45And that's, in general, that's a good thing to keep in mind
11:49as a young puppy trainee, like I was at that time,
11:53eager beaver and wanting to impress everybody.
11:56And of course, I would want to figure out
11:59that this pain that you're having
12:01is coming from some remote sarcoma or something
12:04as opposed to a kidney stone
12:05or something else that's more routine.
12:07So that's true in general.
12:09But the thing about statistics is that there's lies,
12:12damn lies, and statistics, according to Mark Twain.
12:14And so, essentially, statistically speaking,
12:19there's nobody who can tolerate
12:21the kind of medications you take,
12:22except that you're the exception.
12:27So when you look at statistics,
12:31the statistics in you are 100% accurate when applied to you
12:36because that's you and we know your physiology now.
12:39It's unbelievable.
12:42It's not plausible.
12:44And yet, there you are,
12:47thriving on doses of medication
12:50that might put a town to sleep.
12:52So I don't have an explanation for that,
12:55so let's go into that,
12:56because the CYP450 system
13:00is the genetic system in the liver
13:03that dictates how metabolism occurs.
13:07The term that's used is genetic pleomorphism.
13:12And basically, pleo means multiple.
13:15So the genetics of different people are variable.
13:20Who knew?
13:21Some people have their heart on the left side
13:24and some people have their heart on the right side.
13:25It's very rare to have your heart
13:26on the right side of your chest.
13:28But people do, and it pumps.
13:31And yes, it's kind of unbelievable, but it actually works.
13:34It's called cytosinversus, and it's rare.
13:37It's a zebra.
13:39I've seen two patients with it
13:40in a career of 200,000 patients.
13:43But when you're looking at somebody
13:44and checking their heartbeat,
13:45and you put your stethoscope
13:46over the left side of your chest,
13:47and you can't hear their heart,
13:48and you put it over the right side of their chest,
13:50and you can hear their heart,
13:51you have to deal with the facts as they are,
13:53not as they should be.
13:56Right.
13:56And the facts as they are for Brandy
13:59is that for some reason, Brandy metabolizes her opiates
14:02like they're chiclets or Tic-Tacs.
14:05And so that's just Brandy's metabolism.
14:11And it is the height of hypocrisy
14:13to be blaming a person for how they metabolize something,
14:16because there really isn't any particular control
14:19over how you metabolize your medicines.
14:21Just like if you have COPD,
14:24and your oxygen level's 77 instead of 93,
14:29you're gonna huff and puff
14:30and breathe as hard as you can
14:33to get your oxygen level up.
14:34And if you can't get it up any further,
14:37then you need supplemental oxygen.
14:40It's kind of like not rocket science.
14:42So let's deviate one more time.
14:45Why is it we keep calling Dr. Eva doctor?
14:51She shouldn't really, because she isn't.
14:54She has a PhD, I think, in nurse practitionership.
14:59So she is a doctor and a nurse practitioner,
15:04but she's not a medical doctor.
15:06She's a doctor of nurse practitioner.
15:08So she's done some additional nursing training
15:11to get to the level of Dr. Quirion.
15:14That's my understanding.
15:15I haven't talked to her.
15:16She won't return my calls for some reason.
15:18I don't know why.
15:22Because I'm such a fun guy.
15:24In fact, I should be seeing some infectious disease guys
15:29because fungi are not healthy.
15:34So Brandy, what kind of,
15:38you don't really have a timetable in terms of
15:41you have to wait 60 days for their response.
15:44Then you have to do another brief.
15:45What's that going to be like?
15:48Well, it's just going to be proven my case.
15:52So they're going to say that you're on doses
15:58that are unhealthy and that you should be off them
16:02for your own good, right?
16:05Probably, but I'm going to say that
16:09that's why the one size fits all policies don't work.
16:13Everybody is different and that's what they're doing.
16:17It's one size fits all policies.
16:20I mean, her slide, you saw yourself.
16:22It said the majority of your patients will do just well.
16:27Well, that's an admission.
16:29There's a minority of patients that won't do just well.
16:33I was one of those.
16:37The purpose of having a constitution,
16:40the purpose of having laws,
16:44the purpose of having a government and an agreement
16:47that we all work together in one country
16:49behind one boundary.
16:51And we all have States that have different boundaries.
16:52The purpose of all that is to maintain the rights
16:55of the minorities.
16:57And you are definitely in the minority
16:59about how you metabolize your opiates.
17:01And you have every right to get the medication
17:05that you need that works for you
17:09and shame on them for trying to take it away from you.
17:12That's the thing.
17:13It's really simple.
17:14I just want to have and live my life.
17:17That's it.
17:19Yeah.
17:21You know, they get to live their life.
17:24I just want to live mine.
17:27And it's not just me either.
17:31I want to make that clear
17:32because I'm putting a picture together of all of us
17:35because I want to show what's been done to all of us.
17:39It's not just me.
17:44It is all of us.
17:44When injustice happens to one of us,
17:47it affects all of us, no matter what the injustice is.
17:50Exactly.
17:52Okay.
17:54You guys have been some powerful prayer partners.
17:58Let me give it back to Jamie and see if I've missed anything.
18:01We were going to use about 30 minutes
18:03and it looks like we have.
18:05If we have time, I can answer some questions.
18:08I'm scrolling through to see what these questions are.
18:12If you want to jump in, Jamie or Brandy.
18:17So Jamie said unhealthy according to the standards of whom?
18:19Well, that's the ultimate question is when...
18:25Susan has this great line, I love it.
18:27When thinking stops, the unthinkable becomes possible.
18:33So people are not thinking.
18:36To solve the drug scourge in America,
18:39is it going to be solved by prohibiting Brandy
18:41from having her medicines?
18:42I don't think so.
18:44I think that if we take medicines away from people
18:47that their doctor thinks they should have,
18:50or that their doctor doesn't think they should have.
18:52If we take, it's like if you take oxygen away from people,
18:56they're going to suffocate.
18:58You don't go to Mars unless you have a space suit
19:01to provide you with oxygen.
19:03And that's kind of what we're doing.
19:06Here's Donna Wilkes.
19:08Even though I've been living in a nursing home for decades
19:10because of a diagnosis of adhesive arachnoiditis,
19:12every time I get a new health provider,
19:14I'm asked if I really need the dose of pain meds
19:16I've been stable on for over 25 years.
19:20Yeah, I am so sorry that happens in that way to you.
19:24I can tell you from a doctor's point of view,
19:27we all consider ourselves to be Sherlock Holmes,
19:30and that everyone else is an idiot,
19:32and that we're going to solve the problem
19:35with our brilliant acumen as doctors.
19:39And prove how brilliant we are
19:41by solving your problem for you.
19:45And you know, the older I get,
19:47and that's pretty frigging old,
19:50the more I realize that the solution doesn't come from me.
19:55The solution comes from the patient.
19:56The diagnosis comes from the patient.
19:58It just happens to happen if I listen for it.
20:02And there are people that are not listening to our stories,
20:07and therefore not realizing
20:10what kind of harm they're creating for us.
20:12Yes, Danita said something about the CDC guidelines,
20:15and the CDC guidelines were guidelines, they're not rules.
20:18And they were misinterpreted by, I don't know,
20:2033 states and the VA, and what a mess that became.
20:25Just because of groupthink,
20:26or some sort of nonspecific fear of badness.
20:32Like this is chicken little and the sky is falling,
20:35and the sky is really falling for patients
20:37who really need their medicine.
20:40Does the DEA go after palliative care docs?
20:42Yes, they'd go out to everybody who's prescribing.
20:45However, you know, the good news, bad news,
20:48is not many people get a palliative care diagnosis
20:50that actually works for them,
20:53so that allows them to have their medicines.
20:55Maine has a law about palliative care,
20:57and it's an exemption.
20:59And yet, that's on every prescription Brandy gets.
21:04And it's not a prescription that's on every prescription.
21:07It's on every prescription Brandy gets,
21:11including the ones that have been refused.
21:13So whether you are on the Maine palliative care list
21:18and exemption or not, your pharmacist or your doctor
21:22or whoever else is terrified to take care of you
21:24will run rather than, you know, reading the rules.
21:31Dr. Ibsen?
21:33Yes.
21:34I think about the letter that you got back
21:36from illustrious Senator King or Representative King
21:42where he wants to reference his being for cholera
21:49and how in 2016 they passed all these comprehensive laws
21:53to help patients, and eight years later nothing's happened.
21:56He's still pointing to the same thing eight years later.
22:01Well, yeah, because that's a very good point you're making,
22:05Kenji, because I think that we are now,
22:10well, we have three branches of government
22:12and the Department of Justice doesn't do
22:15as much enforcement as we thought they did.
22:18They're doing enforcement against the wrong people,
22:20but they are not enforcing their own rulings.
22:26The Supreme Court ruled nine to zero
22:29that Dr. Ruan was convicted needlessly.
22:33He's still incarcerated.
22:36Like, you know, other than going in with a bulldozer
22:38and busting him out, I don't know.
22:40I mean, you get a nine zero ruling from the Supreme Court
22:42and you're still involved,
22:46that's a hard thing to be with.
22:50And God bless everybody who's under those circumstances.
22:54There's a, Randy Lamartiniere is a doctor in Louisiana,
22:59and he's in prison.
23:02Dr. Bauer from Ohio, 87 years old neurologist,
23:06he's imprisoned.
23:10They're sniffing around my door too.
23:12So I don't know what to say about that
23:14other than we have to just keep speaking truth
23:20to this power.
23:22And the problem is that this power is diffused
23:25and it's fear-based.
23:27And if anything I can see that's come about this case
23:32that Brandy has is that it's inspired a lot of us
23:35to say, no, no, no, stop it.
23:37You know, we have boundaries.
23:39You can't do this to me.
23:42And here's why you can't do it,
23:44because my constitution says you can't do it.
23:47And I'm a taxpayer and I have rights
23:49as a citizen of this country, or I used to.
23:53I don't know if we do or not,
23:54but that's the way we find out
23:56is to try and see if we have those rights.
23:58And each person has a right in this country
24:02to get what they need to survive and thrive.
24:06Get off my soapbox.
24:08Jamie, help me out here.
24:10Did you want to add something Dr. Norton?
24:12Oh, I love hearing from Norm.
24:14Hey, how are you doing?
24:16Hey, how you doing there?
24:18Good.
24:19Good to see you Dr. Norton.
24:20How you doing everybody?
24:20This is so funny, it's interesting.
24:23I'm all right.
24:24It looks like your camera
24:25is pointed towards your jeans or something.
24:28I don't know what's happening.
24:30It's like my paper or whatever's going on here.
24:34All right.
24:35Oh, it's your hat.
24:36It's inside of my hat.
24:37There we go.
24:38Michigan.
24:39Michigan.
24:41Well, anyways, it's very interesting.
24:45Right now, with our blog,
24:47you're with the Norms,
24:48we're on what we call an everyday campaign.
24:52We're waging war every day in writing articles
24:56and it's interesting.
24:58I ran across the Agnes King letter.
25:02I put it in there and made a few comments about it.
25:09This thing is,
25:12I got a call today from a guy named John Targill.
25:16He's a lawyer out of New York
25:20and he had been working with Vito Penza.
25:24They're working on a summary judgment
25:27on a class action suit against the DEA
25:30and he's looking for people
25:32who had their DEA registrations taken from them
25:39before trial and he's actually pushing for this
25:44using the Jarsky ruling
25:49that just recently came down from the Supreme Court.
25:52So he called me this morning
25:54and I sent him a bunch of names and a bunch of people.
25:58So if anybody's interested in that,
26:00I'll pass along his phone number
26:04so that folks could look into this.
26:07But class action against the DEA
26:11is they're using forfeiture,
26:15simply civil asset or forfeiture without hearing
26:20as a means of shutting people down
26:22that they just want to shut down.
26:24They can come in and take your property like they did mine
26:30and never charge you with anything
26:32and they'll call that civil asset forfeiture
26:35and you have no rights.
26:37They will call it forfeiture
26:39when in fact you never get a hearing
26:42because in America you can't take anybody's property
26:46without hearing or hearing before,
26:52a jury.
26:53And he just simply said,
26:54hey, when you're a physician or a practitioner
26:58with a Drug Enforcement or a DEA certificate,
27:02you have less rights than you had been El Chapo.
27:06He said, that's just it.
27:08You can't, the DEA or the government here
27:11can't take any drug dealers' property
27:15without having a hearing.
27:16I mean, like in El Chapo, the cartels
27:20go without having some sort of trial
27:23or something like that,
27:24but they can with doctors and get away with it.
27:27So that's the thing.
27:29And I kind of forced now to believe
27:32what I believe what Linda Chase was saying,
27:35we need to repeal this CSA Act, period,
27:38and get rid of it.
27:42That's my two cents right now.
27:45Thank you, Norm.
27:47I think it's worth five bucks at least,
27:49way more than two cents.
27:54Dr. Gibson, could I have a minute, please?
27:58Yes.
27:59I have backed myself into a corner.
28:03I've been in the same pain management now
28:06for almost nine months.
28:08They've been wanting me to get an upgrade
28:13on L4 and L5, and I keep putting it off.
28:16Well, when I went a couple of weeks ago,
28:19they put it this way.
28:21If you're not willing to take any of the help we're offering,
28:26what is it you want from us?
28:29So now I am afraid if I don't go do these ablations,
28:34which are coming up this Tuesday or Wednesday,
28:38they're gonna let me go.
28:40Between that and the fact
28:42that I can't get my anxiety medicine,
28:45and I still have Ambien in my system.
28:49I can't have Ambien and pain medicine.
28:52I can't have anxiety medicine and pain medicine.
28:55So now they're using those
28:57because they take a urine sample every month.
28:59And the fact that I don't want these ablations, I'm stuck.
29:05I have filed a civil,
29:07civil, I've filed with the physicians.
29:13I don't know.
29:14I've wrote letters to anybody and everybody.
29:16I just don't know what else to do.
29:19Brenda, this is David.
29:21Can you hear me?
29:22Yes, David.
29:23I hear you.
29:23Haven't you had ablations in the past?
29:28Many, many, many years ago.
29:30I've not had anything done since 2012
29:35when they said I had ahesive arachnoiditis.
29:39They sent me to their surgeon here in Florida
29:42about five or six months ago.
29:44And he said that he can't help me,
29:47that my neck has literally,
29:50I've had a fusion there also,
29:51but it has now fused itself.
29:55And he suggests that nobody else do anything to my spine,
30:00but coming across,
30:02they're still wanting to push.
30:04They're not trying to push regular injections.
30:06I feel like this is worse.
30:08So now I've put it off, like I said, for four months,
30:11but now I feel like I'm backed into a corner.
30:15Do they not have the opinion from that other doctor
30:18that says no further invasive procedures are indicated?
30:24Yes.
30:25I would stand my ground and say,
30:26no, I had these in the past.
30:28They weren't helpful.
30:29They cause more problems.
30:31And I would say, no, I'm reticent to do it
30:34because I don't have the proper medication.
30:37I don't have my anxiety medication
30:40and they're gonna possibly make me worse
30:43what they did in the past.
30:45I would just stand my ground.
30:47Okay, well, that's what I'm trying to do.
30:48And I've told them all of that.
30:50And they, like I said, they said that if I'm not willing,
30:54something like, what do you have to lose?
30:57If you're not willing to try something that may help you,
31:02what do you want from us?
31:03Well, you've been willing to try for all these years
31:06and you keep getting injured.
31:08Yes, you've tried and tried and tried.
31:10That's right, David.
31:12That's a great point.
31:14I have-
31:15It's not helping you.
31:16So, you know, you're right.
31:19I've had three simulators put in and she said to me,
31:23why do you even carry all three cards?
31:25You only need the one.
31:27And I said, no,
31:29because they're different parts from the simulators
31:32because the leads are so embedded in scar tissue,
31:36they can't remove the leads.
31:38So they just put in a different simulator.
31:41But now that won't work because it won't get to the leads
31:45because of the scar tissue.
31:47And their surgeon put that in writing to them.
31:50There's nothing he can do.
31:51He cannot remove it and he cannot make it work.
31:56And I have seen several psychiatrists
31:59and they are always saying the same thing.
32:01They're not willing to write anything
32:03as long as I get a pain management.
32:08I'm in contact with another guy in Florida
32:10who just got a good pain doctor.
32:12So, you know, that's not the only pain doctor in Florida.
32:15So if they dump you, you know,
32:17we got other options to get you the treatment in Florida.
32:21I've also tried rheumatology and other things too.
32:25And they send me back, we don't treat your disease
32:29once they get my records,
32:30then they don't even want to see me, period.
32:33We don't treat your disease.
32:35Yes.
32:36Where did they learn to say that?
32:37I mean, that phrase never showed up
32:40when I was in medical school.
32:41Well, it's true.
32:43Yeah.
32:44We're not going to treat you.
32:45You've got a beard.
32:46We're not going to treat you.
32:47You've got white hair.
32:47We're not going to treat you
32:48because we don't like the way you look.
32:51We can't let it go that way.
32:52No civil letter.
32:54My civil letter.
32:55No civil letter for you, exactly.
32:57Okay.
32:58Yeah.
32:58One of the things when doctors say,
33:00what do you got to lose?
33:02You can always get worse.
33:03You can always have more pain.
33:05That's the problem.
33:06When they use that excuse, tell them,
33:08yes, I have a lot to lose
33:10because I had that same thing said to me
33:13and I did get worse.
33:15So don't let them try to sway you with that argument.
33:18You can always get worse.
33:20When they say, what do you have to lose?
33:23You can say to the doctor,
33:24what do you have to gain?
33:28You know, there's a fee for,
33:30there's a, you know,
33:31there's a fee for radio frequency ablation.
33:33And basically, you know,
33:35essentially they got a hammer and you look like a nail
33:38and you're not going to stop looking like a nail to them
33:41until their hammer goes away.
33:43Which has never been.
33:45Here's the other thing that you're going to find important.
33:47And that's what happened to us,
33:49is that you have a one doctor
33:51that may treat that particular patient
33:54for this type of condition.
33:56And then you have to get a pharmacy
33:59to fill the prescription.
34:00Well, you might find that pharmacy
34:01on the other side of the state,
34:02like Pronto Pharmacy did.
34:05And we treated people with dignity and respect
34:08and people came
34:10and they were forced to come these long distances,
34:13which then invites the DEA to come in and say,
34:18well, they're traveling long distances.
34:21So that's a sign of diversion.
34:23Let's come in and raiding.
34:24Let's take his property.
34:25Let's destroy his equipment.
34:27And those people are left to suffer
34:31or left to die.
34:34What do you have to lose?
34:35You've lost your life.
34:36You've lost your constitutional rights
34:39and those things.
34:40And it flies in the face of the constitution of the law
34:45in that the Drug Enforcement Agency does not,
34:50they cannot and is not nowhere in the law
34:53it says where they dictate healthcare
34:56or the treatment of a patient.
34:58But what they do is intimidate you
35:02through intimidate doctors, intimidate pharmacies.
35:08And what they will do
35:09is they will call your suppliers
35:12and say, don't sell to Pronto Pharmacy, don't sell.
35:17And that seems to be allowed
35:23by permitted or ignored by the population,
35:29particularly the media and stuff.
35:31So-
35:32How do I get across that this can be dangerous?
35:36I mean, before I just go ahead and let them do it,
35:40how do I get this across that I keep saying no
35:42because it can be dangerous
35:44but I have nothing to back up my word
35:47that something can go desperately wrong.
35:50Well, your evidence right now
35:52is that you've had three spinal cord stimulators
35:56and the leaves are buried in scar tissue
35:58and it can't be removed.
35:59That's harm to you.
36:01So that's proven.
36:02Right now, before they do anything else,
36:06you're in a position of feeling pressured
36:08by your doctor to have a procedure
36:10that you don't wanna do.
36:11That is unprofessional activity
36:13and it's justification for a complaint
36:16against that doctor's license
36:18with the board of medicine in their state.
36:20And you should file that today.
36:22Okay.
36:23Because you're being pressured now.
36:25And then if they fire you,
36:28then they're retaliating against you.
36:30And that's unprofessional activity.
36:32You can file a complaint about that.
36:34Thanks.
36:35You have rights, you have way more rights
36:37and they're just not aware of what your rights are.
36:39They have a right to intimidate you if you let them.
36:43But if you say no more intimidation,
36:46then you have a right to say, no, no, not for me.
36:50No, thank you.
36:50Let me say something about that intimidation factor.
36:54I mean, I'll say,
36:57we've obviously in our little thing
37:00have intimidated them
37:02because when they came in and seized all my property,
37:05a lot of people may have not mentioned this,
37:07all of a sudden about three years later
37:13or better yet back in January of 2024,
37:16all the property that they had taken from me
37:20with except of the drugs and the medication
37:22were mysteriously returned to my attorney's office.
37:27I had a picture of his name is Dale Sisko
37:30and we took pictures of it.
37:31And so I have all these records
37:33and all my equipment that they said
37:35that we were manufacturing with
37:39was all returned to my office.
37:41So intimidation, you have to stand up to them.
37:46And if we stand up to them
37:48in any number of platforms or forum,
37:53they will back down.
37:56I have a question for you.
37:57Yes, sir.
37:59Yes, sir.
38:00Were your office supplies and equipment returned in records?
38:06Were they returned to you in their original condition
38:09or were they deteriorated in some way?
38:11That's a good question.
38:13What they did was,
38:15they did, well, when they first came in,
38:17they not only they seized all the equipment,
38:20but they took my computers, okay?
38:24They took the screens too, the screens and stuff.
38:29They returned the screens, six weeks later, broken.
38:33The computers were completely damaged and never again.
38:39That's called vandalism.
38:41Right, vandalized.
38:42Then, and I took pictures of it.
38:45And then what happened was when they returned the equipment,
38:51it was like in pristine shape.
38:53And it reminded me of what someone,
38:59I think it was Dr. Mustafa, Dr. Muhammad Rafai
39:04and Christopher Russo say,
39:06they just seized this equipment
39:08and they hope that you would plea or turn in
39:11and plea guilty and they can move on.
39:15They really don't look at this stuff
39:16because they're never really prepared to go to trial.
39:20They just put an enormous pressure on you
39:23to go to trial and Christopher Russo
39:25talked about that in the discussion.
39:29So it's very interesting that you brought that
39:32and bring that subject matter up.
39:34You have to fight these folks.
39:40And they, one thing they did in coming after my license,
39:46they claim to the licensing
39:49during the administrative kangaroo court
39:52that I didn't turn in,
39:54I never turned over the records to them.
39:57Well, they had the records.
39:59And when they realized it,
40:00when Mr. Penza exposed them on it,
40:02like I said, all of a sudden when he returned my equipment,
40:06guess what else came, all these records.
40:09Yet they still ruled against me.
40:12That's right.
40:12Yeah.
40:14One more thing that reminds me of Julie
40:19and I don't know if Julie is still with us,
40:20that she had an interview with Dr. Tennant on Tuesday
40:25and she had some really good points
40:27that she brought up in ways of dealing
40:29with things like this is,
40:31sometimes we feel like we're just gonna pull our hair out.
40:34And when, whether you're a doctor or a lawyer
40:37or a teacher or a physician,
40:39I did.
40:40It's really, it gets to a point of what do you do?
40:44And Julie had some excellent pointers the other night.
40:49Julie, if you're still with us, it'd be great
40:51if you could share those with us again.
40:54Sure.
40:55About self-love and caring for ourselves.
40:59That's something I'm very, I'm not very good at that.
41:02So I could use that.
41:06I think I talked about,
41:08I'm not sure how applicable they are here,
41:10except I think that it helps my sanity.
41:16One of the things I talked about,
41:17which I know a lot of people know about
41:19is called radical acceptance,
41:21which is what we all essentially come down to,
41:23but it means that you don't fight or kick against what is,
41:27which we have to fight when it comes to the laws
41:29and things we have to.
41:30But when we're dealing with our own pain
41:32or something that we can't change,
41:35it's radically accepting it,
41:37whether you like it or not,
41:38it gives you ground to start from to make change possible.
41:43But that's torture.
41:44And that's the thing that,
41:46I mean, they're asking you to accept it
41:48and to distort all of this.
41:50No, I'm not saying, I'm not saying to radical,
41:52I'm saying-
41:53I'm not in disagreement with you.
41:54I'm saying in my own personal life,
41:56I radically accept that I'm in pain
41:58and I can't get treatment right now.
41:59I'm not saying we don't fight the fight
42:01that we need to fight at all.
42:04The other thing I talked about,
42:06and I don't know how applicable this is
42:09right now to everybody.
42:11Well, I wanted people to know that there's,
42:13for personal support with pain,
42:15there's a 12-step group called Chronic Pain Anonymous.
42:18Chronic, yeah, cpa.org.
42:22They have meetings that are online.
42:23They have face-to-face meetings.
42:24They have phone meetings.
42:26They have a 365-day reader
42:31that you can buy on Amazon.
42:34And so if people need more support
42:37in between times,
42:38they don't deal with medicine and doctors, though.
42:39They deal with how we can have peace,
42:42how we can have comfort,
42:43how we can have the best lives we can have
42:44spiritually and emotionally
42:46while we're living with chronic pain and illness.
42:49The other thing is,
42:51I talked about was the practice of gratitude,
42:54which, see, this is kind of into a legal thing,
42:57which I don't know how this really works.
42:59But for me, when I was,
43:01I wasn't happy when someone told me to practice gratitude
43:05because I didn't feel grateful.
43:08But what happened when I practiced gratitude
43:10was that I became grateful.
43:13And gratitude gives me such incredible hormones
43:16and endorphins that it's amazing.
43:19And I just started by doing a gratitude alphabet.
43:21So this has really nothing to do
43:23with all the legal stuff we're dealing with.
43:24This is just to help us get more peace and joy in our lives.
43:28I started doing, without feeling it at all,
43:32and I'm grateful for air, I'm grateful for breath,
43:34I'm grateful for my cat.
43:35I just do the gratitude alphabet every day.
43:38And I need reminding of that
43:40because when I practice gratitude,
43:42I start to feel gratitude.
43:44And it helps me survive all of this bull crap
43:47that we have to deal with.
43:49We still have to deal with the force,
43:52and the pill counts, and the blood tests,
43:54and all that stuff, and the under-treating.
43:57I can't get my sleep medicine or my,
43:59I was on all three, sleep medicine,
44:01benzodiazepines, and pain medicine for years,
44:05and it didn't harm me.
44:06And now all of a sudden I can only pick one.
44:11So I have to radically accept that.
44:12That's what I'm dealing with until we change the law.
44:15And then if I accept that, then I'm like,
44:17okay, what can I do?
44:19Well, let me try this, or let me try that.
44:21Let me see what else.
44:22Let me do a lawsuit.
44:25So yeah, so it's just those things that I mentioned.
44:27I don't know how much they help now,
44:29but I was talking to Jamie
44:30about how we have to take good care of ourselves.
44:35Because if we don't eat, or sleep, or drink,
44:37or if we, I want you guys to be around
44:40so we can be together in this fight.
44:41Because I often imagine when I'm in really bad states,
44:44I can't sleep at night,
44:45I imagine I'm holding hands with you guys.
44:48And it gives me a lot of strength
44:50to endure times of pain,
44:53just to know that you guys are there,
44:55and I just imagine that we're holding hands.
44:58And we can hold hands.
45:00We can pray for each other,
45:01and we can help each other with our lawsuits if we can.
45:07But I just appreciate all of you,
45:08so I want you to take good care of yourselves.
45:12That's a lot of wisdom there, Julie.
45:15Brenda, may I ask Brenda?
45:17I was just looking up the success rate
45:21for radiofrequency ablations,
45:23and it says that it is 45 to 85% after one year.
45:29So I would look up and print out the success rate
45:33for radiofrequency ablation.
45:34And with a patient like you with multiple failed procedures,
45:38how could they justify further intervention
45:41when they already have a doctor's opinion
45:43that says it's not indicated?
45:44And I would arm myself with that information
45:47and go into the office with that.
45:49Okay, well, I will call also,
45:52they're trying to say that it could help me
46:00for one to two years.
46:02And I've also been, I feel like I can't go anywhere.
46:07I feel like I'm hitting brick walls no matter what I do.
46:11I had the same pain doctor for over 20 years.
46:13He was a good doctor.
46:15He was good to me.
46:16He lost his license.
46:19He is now back to work treating pain patients
46:22again in Maryland, but he won't see me
46:25and his office won't even answer me
46:28because I'm trying to get my records
46:30from everything he has done for me.
46:34So I can't get my records.
46:35I feel like I'm just, sometimes I just,
46:37I don't wanna quit, but sometimes I just wanna quit.
46:41Well, we're up against complete lawlessness.
46:44Our country, if you haven't noticed,
46:46is operating in a completely lawless manner.
46:48It's not lawful for them to withhold your records from you.
46:52And yet they're doing it all over the country.
46:55So you just have to keep on fighting back.
46:58I have a lot of my records because I've kept myself,
47:01but how do we get the doctor's records?
47:05How can we get those?
47:08My sister, yeah, yeah.
47:12Well, that don't work.
47:13I got hurt on the job.
47:15And when I went to them
47:16and tried to get their side of the story,
47:19they said they were theirs.
47:20They belonged to them because they were their records
47:24and they didn't give them to me.
47:25And my lawyer told me I wasn't entitled to them either.
47:30But I wonder if he could give me any of my records.
47:34I'm sure.
47:36So the people that manage records
47:40in the state in which you're in
47:42is usually the state hospital association.
47:46For some reason, they're the arbiter of medical records.
47:50So it would be something to appeal there.
47:53And then other than that, you got to sue them.
47:56And there's very little benefit from that lawsuit
47:58because you can't prove that you were harmed
48:01by not having your medical records.
48:03So that is a unfortunate side effect
48:08of what David says is the lawlessness.
48:10I agree with you.
48:12That's when people had their own dispensary in the doctors.
48:16So when you got hurt down there,
48:18I got hurt in 78.
48:21I got my mouth busted.
48:22They took me over.
48:24They put 15 stitches on the outside,
48:2712 stitches on the inside, and sent me back to work.
48:29They had their own dispensary, their own doctors,
48:32and they said they were their records.
48:34So I couldn't get them.
48:35But I do have a lot of my records.
48:38Yeah, yeah.
48:40Well, that should be straightened out, for sure.
48:43I think it's time to wind things down.
48:46Can we give Brandy the last word here?
48:48Because I wanted to know if you've changed anything
48:54based on what has transpired in the last 25 minutes.
48:57There she is, all right.
48:59Thank you for your prayers and your support and everything.
49:03I really appreciate it.
49:06Thank you for what you're doing for us.
49:08You're not just doing this for you, Brandy.
49:10You're doing it for all of us.
49:12And we're right with you.
49:17That's right.
49:19Believe it.
49:20Post it, you'll know it.
49:24You'll know what happened.
49:26Good.
49:27Well, thank you, everybody.
49:29I'm sure Dr. Tennant, when he reads this,
49:31will be very pleased and proud of us for carrying on.
49:34This is more political and spiritual than informational,
49:39but it's been a heck of a meeting.
49:41And thank you, Brandy, for staying alive.
49:44And I want each and every one of you on this call
49:48to stay alive.
49:50A miracle can happen if we stay alive.
49:54And so don't give up, don't quit.
49:57Or quit if you have to, and take a couple days off.
50:01They have aid stations and marathons for that reason.
50:04You can quit, just start up again when you're ready.
50:07So take breaks, take self-care, take naps,
50:11do whatever you can for yourself to stay in the game.
50:15And I'm speaking to me right now,
50:16because I don't feel like being in this game anymore either.
50:21I wanted to give Emily a quick chance to ask.
50:24You had one thing to say, Emily.
50:26Hi, I just wanted to let Brenda and Amelia
50:30and all the other women out there
50:32that are struggling with this know
50:34that women have more pain receptors
50:37and more nerve endings than men.
50:39And all of the testing that is done in our country
50:42on drugs and other products is done on men.
50:46And most doctors don't know this.
50:49And we are the majority of chronic pain patients.
50:51Take a man with you to your appointments
50:54and have him testify on your behalf,
50:56preferably a white man, unfortunately,
50:58but that's the way it is.
51:00If you've got one, take them with you.
51:02It doesn't have to be your partner.
51:04Just take somebody who's willing to talk on your behalf,
51:06who is a white man preferably,
51:08and they will listen to you more.
51:13Well said, sad, but true.
51:16Thanks everybody, I gotta go.
51:18Thank you, Jamie, for making this another powerful meeting.
51:22Thank you everybody for your prayers
51:23and for participating so fully in that prayer.
51:26That was very moving.
51:28Thank you so much, everyone.
51:29Thank you, Brandy.
51:30Bye, guys.
51:31Thanks, everybody.
51:32Bye, Brandy.
51:33Thanks to all of you.
51:34Thanks.
51:34Hope she-
51:35Dr. Norm.
51:36Bye.
51:37And thanks to all of you, to everybody.
51:39I'm sorry we ran out of time,
51:40but we will see you next week.
51:43And looking forward to next week.
51:46Take care, everybody.
51:47God bless.
51:48You're not alone.
51:49Definitely, you too.
51:50Love you all.
51:51Take care.
51:52Love you.
51:53Love you.