Police S01E03 A Complaint Of Rape

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00:0010, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
00:30So I started to, I went to dart out of the way and they just, I didn't notice the bloke
00:42behind me and he grabbed me from, grabbed one arm and the other one went and grabbed
00:47the other arm.
00:48So he grabbed you in the car park and not on Pryor Street?
00:51I didn't, I said he called me.
00:53Yeah and you went?
00:54Yeah.
00:55Into the car park?
00:56Yeah.
00:57Did you see, you saw these blokes in the pub did you?
00:59I saw them but I didn't take any notice of them, I'd never seen them before in my life.
01:07So you recognise them from the pub, not having seen them before?
01:11No.
01:12I hadn't seen them before ever before, no I hadn't seen them before today.
01:15One was through then was he?
01:18Yes.
01:19One was blonde with a moustache and they all had tattoos.
01:23Alright.
01:24How old was the blonde one with the moustache?
01:27I'd say about 24, 25.
01:29His height?
01:305 foot 8.
01:31His build?
01:32Stocky.
01:33Stocky build.
01:34Not a stocky shoe though.
01:35Um, the other one.
01:36Tattoos you say?
01:37Yeah, on his arm.
01:38Which arm?
01:39Both of them.
01:40And he was showing his chest, he had a blonde hairy chest.
01:41What was he wearing?
01:42A blue, light blue shirt, and a blue shirt.
01:43And the black one?
01:44Black.
01:45And the black one?
01:46Black.
01:47And the black one?
01:48Black.
01:49And the black one?
01:50Black.
01:51And the black one?
01:52Black.
01:53And the black one?
01:54Black.
01:55And the black one?
01:57And uh,
01:58That was open to the chest was it?
02:00Yeah.
02:01And uh, he's wearing one of those Levi jackets, a light blue.
02:06And a, a rough pair of jeans, you know.
02:11What did they say exactly?
02:13That, don't struggle, because if you struggle, you make it worse for yourself.
02:18And they put you into the back of the car then?
02:19Yeah.
02:20And you didn't scream or shout out?
02:22I yelled for a bit.
02:24I said,
02:25What are you doing?
02:27You know, I get a bit hysterical, but I've...
02:31And they put their hand in my mouth and I thought...
02:35Which one did that?
02:37The one on the left of me, the blonde one.
02:40And one got into the back of the car with you, did he?
02:43Yeah, the blonde one.
02:44The other two remained at the front.
02:46Yeah, and it was only a two-door car.
02:50We went all round the place.
02:52I can't remember where ever we went.
02:54We ended up towards Pinebourne.
02:57Towards Pinebourne?
02:58Mm.
02:59And, um...
03:01You know the Oxford Road, do you?
03:03Yeah, I know the Oxford Road.
03:05But, um...
03:07What was going on in the back of the car?
03:09Were you struggling or asking to get out?
03:11I said, can't let me out, let me out.
03:13Did they say anything to you when you went in the house?
03:16No.
03:17Nothing at all?
03:18Well, they said, make it easy for yourself.
03:21Unless you want to end up in the river, you know.
03:25They said there'd be ways and means of making you do things, you know.
03:29They said if you don't come easy, we'll make it...
03:32We'll just cut you up a bit, you know.
03:35We've got a pair of knives in the kitchen drawer.
03:37They said we can cut you up a bit one at a time.
03:39Which one took you upstairs?
03:41The blonde one.
03:42Did he drag you up or did you walk up?
03:44I scuffed a bit my shoes.
03:49Excuse me.
03:50Is Cora there?
03:51Yeah.
04:01Are you happy to carry on for another ten minutes and then come out?
04:04Yeah.
04:05And then you can go in and have a chat to her.
04:07But if you'd like to come out and tell us what's going on, what she said.
04:10We're sort of halfway through.
04:12Who's got the actual house at the moment?
04:14I think she's slightly normal in some way and she's not quite with it.
04:18I think she probably consented part the way
04:20and found her going a bit too far.
04:22She thinks she consented anyway.
04:23Do you think it's taken place?
04:24I think it might have done.
04:26But that's what we're sort of getting...
04:28The bottle's gone a wee bit, yeah.
04:30She's going over facts that are a bit inconsistent
04:32with what she's said before anyway,
04:34so we're trying to keep going back over and see what she's saying.
04:38But we've sort of got to the house just now.
04:40She made an allegation a couple of years ago to McFulcher of...
04:46..threats to murder.
04:49And first to Superintendent Patterson.
04:52And that was filed.
04:54And within three weeks, she just waited for it to calm down,
04:57went back in three weeks and found someone else that didn't know her
05:00and made exactly the same complaint.
05:02She said that in the car park...
05:04She was called back from Friar Street.
05:06She came out of the car park, went over to these three lads,
05:09they grabbed hold of her and forced her in the car.
05:12She didn't attempt to straggle or run away.
05:15I've got a feeling she's been...
05:17I've taken her there.
05:20I just remembered when I was coming back.
05:23I'll be in the office.
05:25Any reason why she should begin to start stating all this?
05:30Well, she's got a boyfriend of a year.
05:33So, yeah.
05:35Either her parents don't know she's had sex with his boyfriend,
05:38maybe for some reason she's afraid to tell him.
05:41She might have concocted the rape story or something like that.
05:44Or she knows these three lads.
05:46She's never ever seen these three lads before, she claims,
05:49and yet she recognised them when she came out of the pub.
05:51If I saw someone in a pub I'd never seen before,
05:53I wouldn't recognise them if I came out.
05:55Right, you get back to it.
05:57You're quite happy?
05:59Yeah, we're just going through it stage by stage.
06:01We'll be in the office. Have a good chat.
06:03Get things together and come and give us a shout.
06:05We'll hang on.
06:07The minute John comes back, we'll just have a chat.
06:09The minute John comes back, we'll just come down,
06:11knock on the door and enter.
06:13Yeah, OK. All right, cheers, Richard.
06:16So you didn't want Reddit?
06:18Sorry? You didn't want Reddit?
06:20Well, they suggested that it would be better not to take Reddit,
06:22so I'm going to Bangon.
06:24What's the story, then? I don't know.
06:26No, not about that.
06:28Well, I'm just not particularly busy or anything like that.
06:33You know how lazy I am, Smiler.
06:35I think it's a bit unfair, isn't it?
06:37Thank you, Kevin.
06:39I've got 30 other people who have said that.
06:41I think it's bloody diabolical.
06:43And we've been up here five years?
06:45Five and a bit. Yeah, come on up for six.
06:47And they suddenly turn around and say,
06:49right, that's it, we don't want you any more.
06:51Yeah. Anyhow, if there's any problems, you know,
06:53while I'm a PC out at Pangbourne and you lot are on duty
06:55and I can help you out...
06:57Oh, that's Uniform. Yes.
06:59Oh, I didn't realise that.
07:01Who is he, Kev?
07:03Who is this man? I don't know.
07:05He's wearing blue lights, he's wearing funny hats.
07:07Shall we say you're with us on night, sir?
07:09Well, if I'm on your board and there's a tea,
07:11I'm liable to call you up and say,
07:13what the hell do I do now, please?
07:15Then she said, I must go.
07:17I've got to...
07:19be back at work.
07:21I'm late as it is.
07:23So I said, well, can't you hang on a minute?
07:25I don't like being in this pub on my own.
07:27I said, I don't like being in any pub on my own.
07:29I said, it looks bad.
07:31She said, well, they see...
07:33She said, it's OK.
07:35She said, they've seen you come...
07:37seen you with me, so they know
07:39you're not on the game or anything.
07:41So I said, well, do girls in the game come in here?
07:43She said, sometimes.
07:45I've known girls on the game come in here.
07:47I said, just don't be in here too long.
07:49So I was in there about five, seven minutes,
07:51something like that, after she left.
07:53And I drank my drink up as fast as I could
07:55without choking myself.
07:57And I went out.
07:59And I went out.
08:01How many times have you had sex?
08:03Have you had sex regularly with somebody?
08:05With your boyfriend? Yeah.
08:07When was the last time?
08:09I have been married, yes.
08:11When was the last time?
08:13Last weekend.
08:15Yeah.
08:17What about your periods and things like that?
08:19Are you menstruating properly?
08:21Well, I never have done.
08:23Not ever since I was... You're not pregnant or anything, are you?
08:25No, I'm not pregnant.
08:27I went to see a doctor last month.
08:31You can ask my mum about that.
08:33Have you ever been...
08:35Have you got any history of any sort of...
08:37You know, you've been placed in...
08:39Yeah, I've been...
08:41What, as a voluntary patient? Yeah.
08:43And how long were you there?
08:45Two months.
08:47And then four months before that.
08:49And what did you go in there for then?
08:51I had a mental breakdown over my divorce.
08:53Did you?
08:55Yeah, yeah.
08:59Well, you realise, of course,
09:01don't you, that...
09:03If we take this...
09:05You know, if we deal with this
09:07as a rape, then you're going to have
09:09a hell of a load of barrages of questions
09:11put to you in a Crown Court, because it will go to Crown Court.
09:13You know that, don't you?
09:15You're going to have the Defence
09:17Officer getting up and asking you
09:19all the types of personal questions
09:21that I've just asked you.
09:23And, you know,
09:25if it's not true what you're telling us,
09:27then, you know,
09:29it's going to look a bit
09:31difficult for you, isn't it?
09:33What do I say? I wasn't raped.
09:35No, well, you know...
09:37There's a possibility, you know.
09:39People come into the police station
09:41and they say all sorts of things.
09:43They make up all sorts of stories.
09:45You wouldn't make up a story like that,
09:47I tell you. People do, you know.
09:49How can they? For lots of reasons.
09:51For lots of reasons.
09:53If I just wanted a good time,
09:55I'd go out with my boyfriend and have it, wouldn't I?
09:57I don't know.
09:59I don't know what you would do.
10:01What you're telling us,
10:03is it the truth? Of course it is.
10:05I wouldn't be here now, would I? Well, I don't know.
10:07There might be an ulterior motive for it.
10:09There might be a reason for it. Such as?
10:11There might be a reason for you being here.
10:13I don't know. Such as?
10:15Invariably, it might be a psychiatric reason.
10:17I've been set free for them.
10:19Pardon? They let me go
10:21because they thought I was sane.
10:23After all this happened,
10:25who was the first person you
10:27complained to about rape?
10:29I told my boyfriend.
10:31What time did you tell him?
10:33When he came home from work.
10:35What time's that? Six, five, four?
10:37Quarter to six. Quarter to six.
10:39What time did you get away from these friends?
10:41Er, I've no idea.
10:43I went into the job centre.
10:45Why didn't you say anything to somebody
10:47in the job centre?
10:49Surely rape... I was too scared.
10:51Rape is the next... As far as
10:53a woman is concerned, rape is the next thing
10:55to death, isn't it?
10:57Well, I was only...
10:59They said... If a woman's going to be raped,
11:01you know, it's like sticking a knife in somebody.
11:03It's that serious.
11:05It felt like. When they raped me, I tell you,
11:07I've got a pain in my stomach now
11:09from it.
11:11You then went to the job centre?
11:13Yeah, I was looking for a job.
11:15You know, I had to get a job.
11:17So you went through with the actions of going to the job centre,
11:19looking for a job, then you came out?
11:21Yeah, I got a bus home.
11:23Got a bus home?
11:25Your boyfriend eventually arrived, then you tell him?
11:27Well, I thought about it.
11:29When I got home, I was going to bring the pigs,
11:31and then I thought, better of it.
11:33I wasn't going to bring you. I thought I'd better...
11:35Why didn't you think, first of all,
11:37oh, God, I've been raped?
11:39I did. I felt dirty.
11:41Why don't I get... I must go to the police station and report it.
11:43Why did you do that?
11:45I felt too unclean.
11:47I didn't want to go through the process which I'm going through now.
11:49I didn't want my boyfriend to bring up the police,
11:51but he insisted.
11:53All right, if you've been raped,
11:55then we will deal with it as a rape.
11:57And we will arrest these men,
11:59and we will speak to them.
12:01You've never been in this police station before
12:03to make an allegation?
12:05No. Only by burglary.
12:07I had my flat burgled.
12:09I had my flat burgled.
12:11Um...
12:13Threatening letters?
12:17No.
12:19You spoke to various police officers here,
12:21haven't you, in this police station,
12:23about various matters.
12:25About what? Burglary?
12:27Allegations about things.
12:29Oh, yes.
12:31Well, there were some threatening letters that were sent to you.
12:33You made allegations about that, didn't you?
12:35I can't remember. I've had ECT, you see.
12:37You've had what?
12:39ECT. What's that, then?
12:41Electrical...
12:43They pass electrical curbs through your brain,
12:45make you forget things.
12:47When did you get your own flat?
12:49At a hospital.
12:51When? Um...
12:53I can't remember.
12:55When I was first there, I went.
12:57When you was first...
13:03Well, you come in here, you come into this police station,
13:05you made a very serious allegation.
13:07My boyfriend phoned the police.
13:09Do you want to make an allegation of it?
13:11If it wasn't for your boyfriend,
13:13what would your action be?
13:15What would my reaction be?
13:17Would I feel dead? No, what would your action,
13:19not reaction, action, if it wasn't for your boyfriend,
13:21what would you be doing right now?
13:23I'd probably be at home, just a bit moody,
13:25but I'd probably just go to bed and forget about it.
13:27That tends to suggest to me,
13:29in other words, that you would probably get over it.
13:31That it's something that you can handle,
13:33you can control, and then deal with.
13:35Yeah, well, I thought I...
13:37I thought I... I thought, well,
13:39loads of guys get raped and don't report it,
13:41and then I thought, well...
13:43Did you say earlier on in this interview
13:45that you were on a game or been on a game?
13:47No, I've never been on a game.
13:49Never been on a game? No.
13:51I've never paid money for sex, ever.
13:53And have you had sex with a lot of men?
13:55Well, not really.
13:57Well, how many men have you had sex with?
13:59Can you count them on one hand
14:01or can you count them on two hands or three hands, you know?
14:03No. Eh?
14:05Can you count them on one hand? Five.
14:07Well, not five.
14:09Not five.
14:11I've had my husband,
14:13my boyfriend,
14:15I've had my previous two boyfriends
14:17that I've been out with a long time.
14:19And how long have you been going out
14:21with your present boyfriend, eh? Nearly a year.
14:23Twelve months, is it? Mm.
14:25Twelve months in November.
14:27They're going to ask you all these personal questions
14:29in the credit call,
14:31and, you know,
14:33you're going to go through
14:35a pretty nasty experience.
14:37That's what I was afraid of.
14:39That's why I wasn't going to report it.
14:41This is why we've got to determine
14:43whether what you're telling us is the truth.
14:45This is why we've got to determine
14:47now, before we get to court.
14:49Because we don't want to go to court
14:51on a case which is a shaky case,
14:53do we? No.
14:55You know, one that,
14:57we're not sure of your allegation.
14:59We're a bit uncertain of your allegation.
15:01We're not sure
15:03whether you're telling us the truth.
15:05That's what I'm saying to you.
15:07If I wanted sex,
15:09I don't know
15:11what the difference between love and sex is.
15:13So I wouldn't just go for sex.
15:15I love my boyfriend.
15:17I wouldn't just cut in with a bugger.
15:21You've told us
15:23the events leading up to it.
15:25Mm.
15:27You've told us how you went in the car
15:29to this house in Coley.
15:31And then...
15:33Yeah, and then you've told us nothing more.
15:35You haven't told us what's happened inside the house.
15:37Did they...
15:39Did you get out from the car and just walk into the house,
15:41or what?
15:43Well, the driver got out and walked round
15:45and the other two...
15:47Walked round to where?
15:49Round the other side and went to open the house.
15:51And the other one
15:53got out.
15:55That side, but he said,
15:57no, you'll get out this side.
15:59And the other one was behind me,
16:01cos he was sitting in the back,
16:03the blonde one.
16:05And we got out of the car
16:07and I tried to make a dash for it.
16:09He said, where are you going?
16:11And he says, just remember what I've got in this pocket.
16:13And there was a lump in his pocket,
16:15I don't know what it was,
16:17some sort of sheet or something,
16:19but I didn't see any knife.
16:21And he said, remember,
16:23when they couldn't make it over,
16:25we were supposed to be in a herd,
16:27so they opened this gate thing.
16:29As I said,
16:31what you want, if you're quite prepared
16:33to say, look, thank you very much,
16:35and get up and go,
16:37or I want this pursued, or I want to forget this,
16:39first and foremost,
16:41that's what we're all about.
16:43It's your decision.
16:45Yeah, well, these guys are caught,
16:47and only one of them gets caught,
16:49and the other two don't.
16:51There's all sorts of ifs about that, isn't there?
16:53Yeah.
16:55If anyone,
16:57the other two
16:59will see to it that I'm not around
17:01to tell any more.
17:03I don't think that sort of thing happens, does it?
17:05I don't know.
17:07You've lived in Reading all your life, have you?
17:09No, I lived in Colchester as well.
17:11Yeah, I've worked this area for many, many years.
17:13I don't think that sort of thing,
17:15it might happen on the telly,
17:17it might happen in Starsky & Hutch,
17:19not very much anyway that I know of.
17:21Don't get me wrong,
17:23it doesn't mean to say I'm right.
17:25That sort of thing I can't see happening.
17:27What I'm saying to you is,
17:29what you've got to consider
17:31is all this, the statements,
17:33the doctors, the grabbing of all your clothes,
17:35going to see a doctor,
17:37all the smears,
17:39all the probing about,
17:41then there's a court, then there's a jury, then there's the press.
17:43And if you haven't got it right,
17:45if it didn't happen, or it did happen,
17:47and you're just...
17:49Yeah, if it happened and you're just a bit so-so about it,
17:51unless you get it right,
17:53the expression we use,
17:55I don't know what you lot use,
17:57is it'll all come on top, it'll all go monkey,
17:59which means it's pretty awful,
18:01and you're going to be found out.
18:03Now, if you're quite happy after this has happened,
18:05to let things be,
18:07and that you've got the mental capacity
18:09and the psychology to get over it,
18:11all well and good,
18:13but the boyfriend's forcing you in here,
18:15it's a game, isn't it?
18:17Well, I was quite prepared to let it go,
18:19because I didn't want to go through with it.
18:21No-one's attacking your morals, you appreciate that.
18:25What do you mean by that?
18:27Well, what you get up to, your sex life, your morals,
18:29is up to you, you're a free individual.
18:31That's down to you.
18:33I didn't just go and bunk off with those blokes, you know.
18:35If I wanted sex,
18:37I could go to my boyfriend for it.
18:39Yeah, that's what you said earlier on.
18:41I'm not arguing that point.
18:43All I'm hoping is,
18:45that I don't want you in here
18:47because of some guy who's sitting downstairs opinion.
18:49I want you in here because of your opinion.
18:51And if it's not your opinion, you're not happy with it,
18:53then let's sort it out and let's get you going.
18:55Why?
18:57Because you're not in here as a prisoner,
18:59you're not handcuffed, you're not being charged with any offences,
19:01you're in here because of
19:03what some other guy downstairs is saying.
19:05What I'm interested in is what you are telling me.
19:07I'll take it from there.
19:09And if you're saying to me,
19:11he's forced me in, quite honestly, Brian,
19:13which is my name,
19:15I'd forget about if it wasn't for him.
19:17What I'm saying to you is,
19:19I want you to act on your own behalf.
19:21If you're saying to yourself,
19:23that is a fact of life,
19:25these things happen, I'm getting up and going, do it.
19:27If you want us to do something,
19:29then we'll do something about it,
19:31but it'll take a lot to get to the bottom of it.
19:33Yeah.
19:35Well, if it wasn't for him,
19:37I wouldn't be here in the first place.
19:39I wouldn't have even run the police.
19:41Mm.
19:43Because it's like when my husband beat me up,
19:45I never phoned anyone.
19:47It's not until I ended up in hospital
19:49that they did something about it.
19:51Did she go through what happened in the house?
19:53No.
19:55Right, can you carry on where we left off?
19:57You went inside the kitchen,
19:59and you said,
20:01there's an electric kettle, I fancy a cup of coffee.
20:03Yeah.
20:05And he said, you're not going to have any coffee,
20:07take it from there.
20:09Yeah, because there's no electric, he said,
20:11there's no electric in the house.
20:13Then we went to the lounge,
20:15and they drew the curtains,
20:17and the blonde bloke sat next to me,
20:19pushed me down on the table,
20:21sat next to me,
20:23and tried to maul me,
20:25and I said, get off.
20:27And the other one said,
20:29oh, what about me, shouldn't I come first?
20:31So I said, oh, for Christ's sake,
20:33I'll leave while you fight it over.
20:35Oh, it was just too much.
20:37No, sorry, go through that again.
20:39They were fighting over who was going to be first, were they?
20:41Yeah.
20:43Right, who was first?
20:45The blonde bloke.
20:47He took me upstairs.
20:49Go through what happened.
20:51Yeah, he took me upstairs, well, grabbed my hand,
20:53and took me upstairs,
20:55and took me to, it was a kids' bedroom,
20:57there was toys all over the place,
20:59and there was a bare board,
21:01and they said,
21:03are you going to get undressed quietly,
21:05or do we have to hold you down and get you undressed?
21:07And I said,
21:09if you think I'm going to just strip like this,
21:11just so that you can have your way with me,
21:13you've got quite another thing coming.
21:15I said, if you want to end up in the river,
21:17I said,
21:19you've got a thing coming, too.
21:21So anyway,
21:23he took my cardigan off,
21:25and they were watching me,
21:27and I felt quite embarrassed.
21:29They were watching me,
21:31and I felt quite embarrassed.
21:33It's quite embarrassing, it's terrible.
21:41So the three of them were there, were they, upstairs?
21:43Two or three minutes.
21:47Did he ejaculate?
21:49Did he come?
21:51I think so, yeah.
21:53Did he or didn't he?
21:55Well, he said, I've come too fast, I presume he came.
21:57Then I said, oh, it's my turn now.
21:59I said, oh, Christ, isn't one of you enough?
22:05Which one was that?
22:07The blonde one came first,
22:09and then the one with black bushy hair.
22:11They all had tattoos.
22:19He did the same thing,
22:21except he pulled my leg up.
22:23He pulled my leg up.
22:25I tried to get free,
22:27and I tried to get my foot under so I could kick him.
22:29He said, hey, I know that trick.
22:31He got on my leg and pulled it right up
22:33over his back.
22:35Oh, God, I hurt myself here.
22:43He came as well, did he?
22:45Are you sure about that?
22:47I think so, yeah.
22:49Then the other one tried.
22:51He said,
22:53he tried to wag himself off a bit
22:55because he couldn't get hard.
22:57I said, oh, good,
22:59you don't want it, do you?
23:01I had enough by then.
23:07He had a go,
23:09but I don't think he came, I'm not sure
23:11whether he came or not.
23:15But the other two did.
23:17Then what happened then?
23:19I said, can I have some tissue paper?
23:21You know, because I was a bit wet.
23:25He gave me an old towel,
23:27a blue and white pattern one.
23:31I wiped myself, and I put my pants on.
23:35I put my tights on back to front,
23:37and I said, how would you get dressed?
23:43I walked out, and they were there.
23:45Then I said,
23:47can you take me back to Reading?
23:51We turned right,
23:53and then left, I think.
23:55We eventually got to main road
23:57where the buses came.
23:59The bus went straight,
24:01they went off to the left,
24:03and down the road,
24:05I saw them go.
24:07They stopped, did they?
24:09On the main road, or at the junction?
24:11No, they turned left,
24:13they stopped.
24:15There's a bus stop up there,
24:17if you catch the bus,
24:19you'll be all right.
24:21I said,
24:23well, how am I going to get on the bus?
24:25I've got no money.
24:27I said, oh, bloody hell,
24:29bloody women have got no money.
24:31They've only got money.
24:33It's too bad, the blonde bloke said.
24:35The guy with brown hair says,
24:37well, I've got to see my missus,
24:39so I've got to hurry up.
24:41He said, well,
24:43come on then, girl,
24:45here are 16 pence.
24:4716 pence to get on the bus.
24:49Is that how much it is?
24:51Yeah.
24:53And that was 16 pence for that centre.
24:55From where?
24:57Well, I don't know exactly.
24:59I think it was a midway road.
25:01Was it a midway road?
25:03Is there such a road as that?
25:05Yeah. Listen to me.
25:07I've been sitting here 20 minutes,
25:09some of it's the biggest lot of bollocks I've ever heard.
25:11I can get very annoyed very shortly.
25:13One minute you're saying it's Coley,
25:15next minute you're saying it's the midway.
25:17You passed Coley Park.
25:19What happened? I'm sick and tired of the ups and downs
25:21and the ins and outs.
25:23Some of this is better fairy tales than bloody Gretel can do.
25:29Now stop mucking us all about.
25:31I'm not mucking you about.
25:33I'm not saying to you as you're lying,
25:35get rid of the fruitiness, get rid of all the beauty about it
25:37and get down to facts and figures.
25:39Well, some of it is.
25:41All this crap about bus stops and numbers
25:43and blue and white tea towels to wipe myself down with.
25:45What the hell's gone on?
25:47If nothing's gone on, let's all pack it off and go home.
25:49If something's gone on
25:51and you think, well, that's an experience,
25:53that's life, all right.
25:55That's what I do think.
25:57This is the biggest bollocks I've ever heard.
25:59I will agree that maybe you've had sex this afternoon.
26:01And it's not with your boyfriend.
26:03But I'll go as far as to say
26:05I think that you've been a willing party to it.
26:07No, seriously.
26:09You're not upset by it.
26:11You haven't taken the blind bit of notice
26:13of anything that's gone on.
26:15The story you've told us is,
26:17like my colleagues, a fairy tale.
26:19Honestly.
26:21Well, it happened, I think.
26:23We're not saying it didn't happen.
26:25I'm talking about the embroidery that goes on around it.
26:29We know what's happened here, right?
26:31You've had a hard time.
26:33Your husband beat you up.
26:35You've had a mental breakdown.
26:37You've had a long, long time
26:39being treated for depression.
26:41Haven't you?
26:43And you go to a pub,
26:45you meet a couple of fellas,
26:47and they say, let's go back for a cup of coffee.
26:49And you go back, and it goes a bit too far.
26:51And they have sex with you.
26:53I didn't even know them before.
26:55Well, you got in the car with them.
26:57You got in the car with them.
26:59You got in the car with them.
27:01You haven't come here because you want to, have you?
27:03You made no effort at all to get away from them.
27:05I've checked with the...
27:07People are out. You got out,
27:09and you walked down with them.
27:11First thing I did, you know when we left you
27:13at the house, went straight down to the...
27:15I spoke to the landlord.
27:17Oh, yes, I can remember her.
27:19She's the one that's a little bit funny.
27:21He knows you.
27:23She left here quite willingly with three lads.
27:25I didn't leave willingly with three lads.
27:27I didn't even go with three lads.
27:29Well, you left the pub with them.
27:31They might have followed me out or...
27:33or something, I don't know.
27:35You've told me that you wouldn't be here.
27:37That's right. Why not?
27:39Because it's a lot of fuss.
27:41Mm-mm.
27:43And a lot of aggro from...
27:45From what? Something you can get over.
27:47Something you can accept.
27:49Well, you're a lot stronger than some women I've met, I'm glad to say.
27:51I've met some that have been raped,
27:53and all sorts of things have happened to them,
27:55that their life is crumbling down around their ankles
27:57like a pair of knickers with the elastic gone.
27:59Well, that's why I've been in... isn't it?
28:01I don't know.
28:05Is that exactly why I've been in...
28:09Why is it that I've been in...
28:11Doesn't hold water, this, does it?
28:13I'm not saying it's not true.
28:15What I'm saying is
28:17there's a lot more to this.
28:19Unfortunately, we will never know the other side of the story
28:21because we don't know there are three blokes.
28:23Two, one or none, whatever the case may be.
28:25I don't know.
28:27All we've got is your side of the story
28:29and you're still making a fairy tale out of it.
28:31I'm not making a fairy tale out of it.
28:33I think you are.
28:37Do you realise that when we have you medically examined
28:39and the swabs are taken,
28:41it will show...
28:43If you've had sexual intercourse with three men this afternoon,
28:45it will show...
28:47It will show each one.
28:49Yeah, I know that.
28:51So...
28:53It will confirm that you've had sex or not with three men.
28:55Yeah.
28:57So we can confirm it's happened, that you've had sex with three men.
28:59If it does confirm it,
29:01then I will go as far as to say
29:03that you went to that house willingly.
29:05There's no struggle.
29:07You could have run away quite easily when you got out of the car to go to the house.
29:09You could have got away quite easily.
29:11You're well known in Reading
29:13to the uniformed lads
29:15for being a nuisance in the street, shouting and bawling
29:17a couple of times you've been arrested
29:19under the Mental Health Act
29:21for shouting and screaming in the street.
29:23Haven't you?
29:25No, I was ill, yeah.
29:27Yeah, right.
29:29So, what's to stop you shouting and screaming
29:31in the street when you think you're going to get raped?
29:33You're not frightened at all.
29:35You walk in there
29:37quite a blazer. You're not frightened at all.
29:39I was frightened.
29:41You weren't.
29:43You're showing no signs of emotion.
29:45Every now and again you have a little tear.
29:47You were frightened
29:49and you came at me.
29:51I think I would dive.
29:53I wouldn't take you on.
29:55Don't fall.
29:57Why would I fight?
29:59I'm only a little wife.
30:01It doesn't matter. You're female and you've probably got a hell of a temper.
30:03If you were to go...
30:05I haven't got a hell of a temper.
30:07I don't know.
30:09If things were up against a wall
30:11I think you'd fight and you'd fight very hard.
30:13I spoke to your boyfriend.
30:15Which is the same. You've got a very bad temper.
30:17Very bad temper.
30:19I sat downstairs with him for half an hour and spoke to him about you.
30:21That's how I know all about
30:23your periods and things like this and when you last had sex.
30:25Alright?
30:27I was quite over the weekend, wasn't I?
30:29Right.
30:31Why on earth didn't you scream and shout
30:33when you came out of the car?
30:35Or when you went into the car?
30:37There's a lot of people about.
30:39At lunchtime, down the alleyway.
30:41There's always people about.
30:43You weren't looking.
30:45Do you or do you not want to make a complaint of rape?
30:47No, I don't.
30:49As far as I'm concerned, if you don't
30:51it's a complete and utter waste of time
30:53us three sitting in this room talking about it.
30:55We might as well just pack up and let you get going.
30:57Exactly.
30:59Oh, there's two of us thinking the same thing then.
31:03Listen to very carefully what I've got to say.
31:05I don't want to.
31:07Listen carefully to what I've got to say.
31:09I don't want to.
31:11Listen carefully to what I've got to say.
31:13My colleague just asked you
31:15if you wish to make a complaint of rape
31:17and you said no.
31:19If that is so, then we will take a statement
31:21off you to that effect.
31:23Alright? Now, understand
31:25we don't want you coming back in two or three days' time
31:27and saying that
31:29I made a complaint of rape
31:31and
31:33I now want to
31:35make that same complaint again.
31:37I might have withdrawn it, but I've changed my mind.
31:39Alright?
31:41I'm very sceptical. I don't think it happened.
31:43I think it happened, I assure you.
31:45But don't let us
31:47dissuade you from making a complaint.
31:49If you want to make a complaint, make one.
31:51Alright? I don't want you leaving
31:53this police station thinking
31:55bloody police, I want to complain about rape
31:57and I'm not going to do anything.
31:59If you want to make a complaint, make it.
32:01If you don't,
32:03say so. We will take a statement off you
32:05and that will be the end of it.
32:07It's entirely up to you.
32:09What's it
32:11going to be?
32:13I don't want to go through that.
32:15Are you sure?
32:17I don't want to put any pressure on you whatsoever.
32:19You can still
32:21take it to the doctor and prove it
32:23if you want to.
32:25If you make a
32:27complaint of rape, then
32:29we will carry on with our interview
32:31to satisfy ourselves that it's happened.
32:33Once we're satisfied, then we'll get a doctor in
32:35to examine you.
32:37If you're not going to make a complaint...
32:39Why don't you get a doctor in straight away?
32:41We're not satisfied at the moment that it's happened.
32:43That's why we're talking to you.
32:45We do not...
32:47What if
32:49someone doesn't want to make a complaint
32:51but you believe there is a rape?
32:53We can't do anything about it.
32:55If you aren't going to complain,
32:57then as far as I'm concerned, we've got no offence.
32:59Because you can't
33:01have an offender for an offence that doesn't exist.
33:03Much to our annoyance,
33:05and believe me, it has happened.
33:07Are you prepared
33:09to make a statement
33:11and if we apprehend the offenders,
33:13are you willing to go to court
33:15and give evidence?
33:17If we catch...
33:19If we get all three of them, yeah.
33:21If we catch one of them, two of them or three of them...
33:23No, if you catch one of them,
33:25the other two are going to get me, mate.
33:27Are you willing...
33:29Are you willing to make a statement
33:31and attend court
33:33and give evidence?
33:35That's what it boils down to.
33:37For judge and jury.
33:39I don't want to go to court.
33:41Are you sure?
33:43Then that is your decision.
33:45We'll take a statement off you.
33:47I'll go and see my inspector now
33:49and tell him what's happening.
33:51And then we'll take a statement off you
33:53and you're quite free to leave the police station.
33:55All right?
34:01What's that for?
34:03I don't want to end up in the river, that's all.
34:05Oh, come on.
34:07This is Reading 1980.
34:09It's not bloody Starsky and Hunt.
34:11She'll end up in the river.
34:13Honestly.
34:15They haven't met
34:17some of the people either.
34:19See what people mean
34:21by, you know,
34:23it's easiest to not say anything
34:25than go through this lot.
34:27You know what I mean?
34:31I was definitely raped.
34:35I've got a stomachache to prove it.
34:37And I could prove it with a doctor as well.
34:41They got a doctor in and did it straight away.
34:43It would be much easier.
34:47Why don't you do the physical first?
34:51Then you could prove it one way or the other.
34:55Then I'll prove it to them.
34:57Oh, thanks.
34:59See, these cigarettes I get lit for you,
35:01they're going to cause me cancer.
35:03I'll die through giving people like you cigarettes
35:05when I don't smoke.
35:07We'll get a quick statement from you.
35:09Yeah?
35:11Saying that...
35:13I don't wish to make any...
35:15Nothing at all. You can then go.
35:17But as John McIntyre, that was my colleague,
35:19says, don't come back here in a week's time
35:21or a full...
35:23What if you call on me and say we've caught the blokes
35:25and now can you now prosecute them?
35:27If you don't want us to go any further,
35:29then we don't do anything about it.
35:31Well, when it comes to...
35:35Exactly.
35:37We're here because you pay...
35:39Do you remember you pay taxes?
35:41Well, we're here because you pay us our wages.
35:43If you're saying no to nothing,
35:45then it's forgotten.
35:47The way I see it, and I could be...
35:49What happens if one of them or all three of them
35:51do it again?
35:53Whoever they do it to, if they do it,
35:55complains and makes a complaint of rape,
35:57then we'll look into it.
35:59If they say, I don't want to know,
36:01then they don't want to know what they're complaining,
36:03i.e. you.
36:05We'll do that.
36:07How do you know they haven't done it before?
36:09I don't.
36:11And what if another girl comes in
36:13and complains of the same thing?
36:15If she complains of rape and she wants to make it stick,
36:17then it sticks. If she does as you're doing and say,
36:19well, look, I don't want to know,
36:21well, she's been through what I've been through,
36:23she wouldn't want to know.
36:25Then you're answering your own question, then.
36:29I would not, in other circumstances,
36:31have told the police.
36:33I want no further police action regarding this incident
36:35and I do not wish to attend court.
36:37Right.
36:39Is that all right with you?
36:41Yes.
36:43We'll get you to sign this then, all right?
36:45I can't read your writing,
36:47so I hope you put down what you said.
36:49Can you read?
36:51Yeah, of course I can read.
36:53You can't spell boyfriend, can you?
36:55B-O-Y-F-R-I-E-N-D.
36:57Oh, was that R?
36:59It was like an E.
37:01Right, teacher.
37:03My boyfriend encouraged me
37:05to come to the police
37:07and tell them of the incident earlier today.
37:09What do you put to tell they?
37:11Them. That's an M.
37:13Oh, is it?
37:15Do you want to borrow my glasses?
37:17No, not glasses.
37:19I would not, in other circumstances, have told the police...
37:21Oh, that's part of the D, is it?
37:23No, them. That's part of the M.
37:25No, that's a D and that's...
37:27Yes.
37:29I would not, in other circumstances,
37:31have told the police I want no further police action
37:33regarding this incident
37:35and I do not wish to attend court.
37:37You can't spell attend, can you?
37:39A-double-T-E-N-D.
37:41Put an N in there.
37:43Or make any form of complaint.
37:45One there.
37:49One after the last word.
37:55One at the top.
37:57Now, there's a couple of scorings out.
37:59No, that's a Scottish word.
38:01There's a couple of mistakes.
38:03At the end of that line, just put your initials
38:05to show that that's about your boyfriend.
38:07One there.
38:09That's the second in a month we've had like that.
38:11Sorry?
38:13The second in a month we've had like that.
38:15Well, of all my years,
38:17I haven't had... Well, I've had one
38:19that Terri Ann Lee and I dealt with
38:21and that came to nothing because she knew who did it.
38:23Mm.
38:25Can we take these?
38:27Yeah, go on.
38:29I'll let you do it.
38:33I've just got it sorted out from my pocketbook.
38:35Sorry about that.
38:37OK.
38:39We're on our way in a minute, all right?
38:41Grab that.
38:43Shall we now get rid of her?
38:45Did Dick say Mum and Dad was on the way down?
38:47Yeah.
38:49She might as well sit in the front office with her boyfriend
38:51till Mum and Dad come and she can go.
38:53Is her boyfriend downstairs still? Yeah.
38:55How long has he been here, then?
38:57I'll show her downstairs.
38:59Tell her to hang on till Mum and Dad arrive.
39:01Make sure she knows the SP regarding her complaint.
39:03Tell her to have her work in hand tonight.
39:05All right. I'll meet you in the main office, see you in the main office.
39:07Yeah. All right.
39:0930 seconds. I'll be up there in about 30 seconds tonight.
39:11Sorry? Did he tell her to hang on?
39:13No. Oh, no. It could well have happened,
39:15we don't know, but she's so unwilling
39:17and she's got a mental...
39:19history of mental illness
39:21that she's now decided that if it hadn't been for her boyfriend
39:23encouraging her, she wouldn't have come here
39:25and she doesn't want to go to court.
39:27So what can we do?
39:29No, it's... Do you please tell me?
39:31Oh, no, no, it's nothing like that, I don't think.
39:33She's made allegations before, but they've never been
39:35found to be unfounded, but they've never been proved.