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Why Maulana Fazal ur Rehman significant in Pakistan's politics | Fawad Chaudhry Reveals
Why Maulana Fazal ur Rehman significant in Pakistan's politics | Fawad Chaudhry Reveals
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00:00Moulana sahib is neither sitting with Tehreek-e-Ishaaq nor is he holding hands with Zardari sahib.
00:06Is it really necessary for Moulana sahib to agree to this?
00:09Or is it okay that he has a political reality but no impact?
00:13Look Maria, the thing is that if we look at the events that are going to take place in the next two weeks,
00:20the most important event that is going to happen is whether there is a constitutional amendment to stop Mansoor Ali Shah or not.
00:28If there is going to be a constitutional amendment, then there are eight MNs in the National Assembly of the JUI and four in the Senate.
00:37So this is going to be very crucial.
00:39And what I found out last night after meeting the JUI,
00:48I found out that Moulana did not make a commitment to Zardari sahib that he would vote for him.
00:55He said that we have come a long way from each other and it is not possible for me to do this now.
01:01In fact, Zardari sahib has called him for dinner and he has not yet agreed to that.
01:05So this is going to be a very crucial decision.
01:08Kamran Murtaza, who is in charge of the law, although he is from the Azam Nazir Tariq group,
01:17but when he went to meet the members of the PTI, he clearly said that there is no question of voting for an extension.
01:25So if the JUI does not go, which I still have some doubt about,
01:33then it will be very difficult for the government to bring a constitutional amendment.
01:36But it is still very difficult for the JUI.
01:38Because even if there is a two-thirds majority, they still do not have it.
01:41No, it is still there, but if the government takes a leap, four votes will be left.
01:44And you know that they have arrested Haji Imtiaz sahib, they have released Lali sahib after a lot of difficulty.
01:52So for four people, they are ready to do anything.
01:55How will they do it? It is the Supreme Court's decision.
01:57They will not count the votes, everything will be done.
02:00No, they are free. They want to put pressure on the 41 free people.
02:05And the Election Commission has not yet declared them a party.
02:08They will put pressure on them, but there are no KPs in the Senate.
02:13So the Senate is not complete.
02:15I think the biggest hurdle for the government is that the KPs have not been elected,
02:20and the Senate is not complete.
02:22But I do not understand why the government is overreacting so much with Mansoor Ali Shah sahib.
02:28Those who know Shah sahib, they know that he is a balanced rank.
02:32Yes, he will not become Faiz Ishaa, but it is not that the government will start a jihad.
02:38If you talk to the people who know the Supreme Court,
02:42they will tell you that only two judges out of 17 have remained with Faiz Ishaa sahib.
02:47The remaining 15 judges have told Mansoor Ali Shah sahib that they will go with the constitution
02:53and the seniority principle that has to be there, which has been written in Article 175.
02:59That is why Fazlur Rehman sahib is of great importance.
03:02The second importance of Maulana Fazlur Rehman is that he can give a cover to the state.
03:10The PTI has people who have been fighting for two years,
03:17but they do not have the militancy or the power.
03:22If Maulana Fazlur Rehman and the PTI and the Jamaat-e-Islami, GDA,
03:30do a press conference tomorrow and say that we are holding a Jalsa on D-Chowk,
03:35the government has come and is stopping it.
03:37The government will have to spy.
03:39They can even send the government home on the day of the Jalsa.
03:42I would like to say that the PTI needs this alliance,
03:49but the Jamaat-e-Islami also needs this alliance.
03:51If the Jamaat-e-Islami had come and protested,
03:54they would have suffered a lot when they came alone.
03:57If the PTI and the JUI were with the Jamaat-e-Islami,
04:01then you would have seen how different the scene would have been.
04:04So if those parties also want to do their independent politics,
04:07then the biggest failure of the opposition is that they have not been able to make this alliance.
04:12But how can the alliance be made with Maulana Fazlur Rehman sahib?
04:14Maulana Fazlur Rehman sahib and Tariq-e-Insaaf have a lot of intellectuals.
04:17They are more than Shabaz Sharif and Asif Zardari.
04:19So what about the political situation in Punjab?
04:21No, they have not given up yet.
04:23They had already overthrown the government.
04:25They had overthrown the government,
04:26but the political situation was only after they had taken over the post-government.
04:29So if Tariq-e-Insaaf talks to the JUI,
04:31if she sits with the JUI,
04:32then won't there be a dialogue among the voters?
04:34No, you don't have to go to the voters.
04:35You will only go to remove the government.
04:37Look, the JUI has a very clear line that our politics…
04:40Maulana Fazlur Rehman's and PTI's position on four major issues is one.
04:44Afghanistan's position is one.
04:46The position on operations in KP is one.
04:50The position on the 2018 election rigging is one.
04:53The role of the establishment should be limited.
04:57The position on this is one.
04:58So the position on these four major issues is one,
05:01and this is a national position.
05:03There is no harm in taking this.
05:04Shabaz Sharif and Zardari sahib went down
05:06when they got involved in their cases
05:08and decided that there is no morality.
05:11We just have to end our family's cases and govern.
05:14They didn't do that with their politics.
05:16So when you do politics on a national narrative,
05:20you will get a different response.
05:22If you do it for the benefit of yourself…
05:26Hafiz Abdullah sahib was on our show.
05:28I asked him why Tariq-e-Insaaf should talk to him.
05:30He said that there is so much confusion.
05:32The confusion of leadership.
05:33The confusion of opinion.
05:34We don't know whom we are talking to.
05:36How much authority does he have?
05:37Will this matter go forward or not?
05:39This is the biggest objection of the JEYF.
05:42The confusion of leadership of PTI.
05:44But Mr. Khan is not deriving a policy.
05:46If another leader comes forward and talks,
05:48Mr. Khan should take a decision.
05:49What is the confusion in this?
05:51No, there is a lot of confusion in this.
05:53Actually, Maulana Fazlur Rehman is not running an NGO.
05:57The chairman of the Public Accounts Committee
06:02has not been able to make PTI his own.
06:04I spoke to him at a senior level.
06:06I asked him what he was going to do with it.
06:08You tell Maulana to make anyone except Noor Alam.
06:11He didn't do that.
06:13The people in the provincial government
06:17should be brought into a comfort zone.
06:20Like you said, there is so much confusion.
06:22They should be brought into a comfort zone.
06:24The problem with PTI is that
06:26thanks to the establishment's policy,
06:29the cadre of PTI has ended.
06:31Now there is only Imran Khan and the public.
06:34As far as PTI is concerned,
06:36Pakistan's system has effectively
06:38gone into a presidential form of government.
06:42There is a problem there.
06:46Shah Mahmood Qureshi is being released.
06:48No one is understanding why he is in jail.
06:50Similarly, the senior political leaders
06:54like Mahmood Rashid, Ijaad Chaudhary are being released.
07:00There is a serious problem with PTI.
07:03Apart from Asad Qaisar,
07:06there is no one else with the political capacity.