Panorama 2020 E30
Panorama 2020 E30
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00:00Since lockdown began, almost a quarter of a million babies
00:03have been born in the UK.
00:05Oh, it's making me cry!
00:07I've come to Bradford to spend a week on the front line
00:10of a maternity unit,
00:12finding out how the pandemic has hit pregnancy and birth.
00:16I've got, like, new mum anxiety with, like, pandemic anxiety
00:19on top of that.
00:21Bradford has one of the largest South Asian communities in Britain,
00:25one of the ethnicities of the UK.
00:27How has the threat of the virus here affected mums-to-be?
00:32I'm really nervous about going into hospital.
00:34I'm struggling to sleep, struggling to eat.
00:38In a city with one of the highest rates of Covid infection in the UK,
00:42what is the new normal for babies born in 2020?
00:46I brought you through the pandemic.
00:48THEY LAUGH
00:50You're special.
00:52I'm not going to lie, I'm not going to lie.
00:54I'm not going to lie, I'm not going to lie.
00:56You're special.
01:08This is Bradford Royal Infirmary.
01:12Over 5,500 babies are born here every year.
01:16Congratulations. Thank you.
01:17He's just so beautiful, isn't he?
01:20It's heavy, though.
01:22HE LAUGHS
01:24But over the last few months,
01:25maternity services have had to change radically
01:28to keep women and babies safe.
01:31I'm joining the morning handover from the night shift.
01:34Good morning, everyone. I'll start if that's OK.
01:37Just to let you know that it's been a very busy night.
01:39We are in escalation from five o'clock this morning,
01:42so currently closed.
01:44This is the first time the unit has had to close to new patients
01:47since the pandemic struck.
01:49It's because they've got so many high-risk mums
01:52currently on the ward.
01:53The Covid-19 swabs were basically swabbed in everybody.
01:57Coronavirus means everyone admitted to the unit
02:00now has to be tested.
02:02They've discussed her care with the med reg,
02:04and he agrees that she needs to be over there
02:05on the general side on one of the Covid wards.
02:07This is a prime if at ten plus two.
02:09A new admission has developed severe Covid symptoms overnight.
02:15The patient's not in labour yet, but it's so unwell
02:18that she's being moved to the main Covid respiratory ward.
02:21Are you all right, Jen? Yeah.
02:24How's that?
02:25A bit emotional. Emotional?
02:27Yeah, just, you know, she doesn't speak any English.
02:31Yeah, she doesn't speak any English, she's poorly.
02:33She's on her own. You know, it's sad, isn't it?
02:36Where's that lady from?
02:37So, this lady's from Poland, originally,
02:40but she lives in Bradford with her sister.
02:42She'd walked from the car park in and was really struggling to breathe.
02:45She said she felt like she had a weight on her chest.
02:48We know that Covid affects your lungs, so she was really frightened,
02:52and that was, for her, the main concern, which brought her in.
02:55All right, Jen. So, what are you doing now? You finished?
02:58No, I'm back tonight.
02:59Yeah, I'll go home, cup of biscuit brew, bit of toast.
03:03Eye mask, sleep. I'll be back. Biscuit brew? Yeah.
03:06Jen, thank you, you're a star. No problem.
03:10A few weeks ago, we were maybe getting one or two
03:12every other couple of days.
03:14We're now sort of getting round about two to three.
03:17Positive results coming back on a daily basis.
03:20Once we've found that somebody is positive,
03:22they are then being cared for in the designated Covid zones.
03:26All wards in the maternity unit have been divided
03:29into red zones and green zones.
03:32Red means Covid-infected, green means clean.
03:36So, there's a lady that's just given birth.
03:38She's tested Covid-positive.
03:40They've got to transfer her from this red zone
03:43to another red zone upstairs.
03:46So, should we keep the corridor clear now?
03:49Close the door whenever you can. OK, thank you.
03:51Right, so, we're to come in and close the door.
03:54And then we're allowed back out once she's left.
04:00Yeah, here we are, here we are.
04:09Thank you ever so much. You can come in.
04:11But, yeah, can you imagine, you know, you've just given birth.
04:15You've tested positive for a deadly virus.
04:20And you've now got to...
04:22..isolate.
04:25Isolation times in the hospital vary depending on the patient's
04:29condition.
04:31Over in the red zone, in the antenatal wards,
04:33there are also patients in isolation waiting to give birth.
04:38Teresa is one of the midwives dedicated to looking after them.
04:42You're newly qualified? Yes.
04:44I qualified November 2019.
04:46Oh, congratulations. Thank you.
04:48Thrown in at the zip-ins. Yes, definitely.
04:52Do you feel nervous going into the red zone?
04:54I used to do, but now I don't, actually, no.
04:57Do your family worry about you? Have you got kids? Yes.
05:00When I first started doing Covid ladies,
05:03I sent my children to live with their dad,
05:06just so...
05:08..just so I could be that Covid person.
05:11That's a real sacrifice, you know, to not see your kids.
05:14It is. It is, yeah.
05:19Do we have to wear visors? Yes, we do.
05:21The hospital want me to wear their PPE
05:23and have assured me there's enough for everyone.
05:26I've just got stairs in here. Am I all right to come in?
05:29Thank you. I've got you some water.
05:34This lady didn't want to be filmed, but was happy to talk to me.
05:37She's eight months pregnant and thinks she caught Covid.
05:41It started as a mucous cough, not eating and drinking.
05:44You lost your appetite?
05:45I lost my appetite and I lost a stone in two weeks.
05:48Were you frightened?
05:50I were a bit frightened, yeah.
05:54Got your heart rate spread, didn't it? Cos she's just so alone.
05:57Yeah, some people are in there for two or three weeks.
06:00So can you imagine being in two or three weeks in one room
06:04by yourself, with no visitors?
06:06She got quite emotional as well, you know.
06:10She was saying she's desperate to go home and see the kids
06:14and see her man and...
06:16I think it's the uncertainty that's making her feel a bit wobbly,
06:22you know?
06:23She just doesn't know how this is all going to play out.
06:30I'm going to have to get you some water.
06:32I'm going to have to get you some water.
06:35The concern, I think, for the professionals,
06:38is she's spent time with the kids and her husband,
06:41so if they got it...
06:45A recent UK study found that the risks for pregnant women
06:49who test positive for Covid are no greater than other women.
06:53But the ones who get most sick tend to be in the last three months
06:57of their pregnancy.
06:58Naturally, mothers at the advanced stages of pregnancy,
07:01because of the mechanical impact of Covid,
07:03the growing fetus will become breathless
07:06because you have a growing size of your tummy.
07:09You then add Covid-19, which affects the respiratory system,
07:12affects the lungs.
07:13That's a lethal combination.
07:15But we've not seen, fortunately.
07:17We've seen a lot of patients who have turned Covid-positive
07:21while they were pregnant or in the later phases of their pregnancy.
07:24But luckily, we've not come across patients
07:26who have needed to come to our unit to have ventilatory support.
07:29We know if you're from a BAME background,
07:33you are more likely to be disproportionately impacted.
07:37Why?
07:39We've seen a lot of patients from the BAME community,
07:41particularly the South Asian community from Pakistan,
07:44getting Covid.
07:45And in my opinion, there are three or four determinants there.
07:48So your pre-existing illnesses,
07:51like diabetes or kidney disease, plays an important role.
07:53It's a risk factor.
07:55High body mass index or body weight.
07:57Your age.
07:59And I think there's another factor in Bradford
08:02which we don't account for,
08:03is the generations of people who live in the same house.
08:06Intergenerational households. Yes.
08:10In Bradford, a third of the health trust workforce
08:13come from an ethnic minority.
08:16The statistics show that you're more vulnerable
08:19if you're on the front line, if you're administering health care.
08:22But we also know that if you're from a BAME background,
08:25you're more vulnerable.
08:26How does that make you feel personally?
08:28Very scared, to be quite honest.
08:30Very, very scared. Very, very frightened.
08:32You know, it did cross my mind that, is it going to get me?
08:36You know, I'm more at risk than my colleagues.
08:38But so far, with the guidance, the PPE
08:41and the encouragement of my colleagues,
08:43we're getting through.
08:45Do your family worry about you being here?
08:47Yes, they do. I have an elderly mum.
08:49She's very, very high risk.
08:50And she does worry, because she has mentioned in the past,
08:53well, what if you just don't come home one day?
08:56And that is the reality of it, really,
08:57that there could, you know, there could be a day where it does get us
09:02and you don't go home.
09:04What do you say to her when she asks you that?
09:08It's my job. I can't let my team down.
09:10It's something I have to do.
09:13I'm a key worker. This is what I'm trained to do.
09:15And this is where I belong.
09:20There have been over 250 deaths from Covid-19 in Bradford,
09:25and with one of the highest infection rates in the UK right now,
09:29the city is on edge.
09:31A quarter of the population is from a South Asian background.
09:35Pregnant women of Asian heritage are four times more likely
09:39to be hospitalised with Covid than white women.
09:43Gulshan and her husband, Zira,
09:45have been self-isolating at home for the last three months.
09:49I mean, what's the general feel, Gulshan?
09:52Because in Bradford, there are so many BAME households.
09:54Yeah, yeah. Are people nervous?
09:57I think, yeah. Like, obviously, we live in this street,
09:59and I think most of them are, you know, the BAME community.
10:03And a lot of them have just been inside.
10:05It's been like this, like, for the past three months.
10:07Eerily quiet, isn't it? It's been really quiet.
10:09Because I'm told, like, we're off Leeds Road.
10:11Apparently, it's manic.
10:12It is manic on that road.
10:14You look at all the restaurants and everything, it's so busy.
10:16But this street is, no joke, it's been as quiet as this.
10:20Like, even my grandparents, normally, they cook the food on Eid,
10:23and we do everything together.
10:25And my grandma and granddad literally haven't got out of the house.
10:28I drove past my granddad's house once,
10:30and he was sat in the garden with a mask on his face.
10:33Gulshan, describe what it's like being pregnant
10:37in the middle of a pandemic.
10:39What's been difficult?
10:40It's been really scary, to be honest.
10:43Obviously, now that it's coming up to giving birth,
10:46I'm really nervous about going into hospital.
10:48I'm struggling to sleep, struggling to eat.
10:50Like, my husband even said to me,
10:52let's go out, let's go out to the park, you know,
10:55let's get out, let's get some fresh air.
10:56And he says it to me all the time, let's get out.
10:58And I'm just, I'm just, like, I don't, I'm really scared.
11:00I don't want to catch anything.
11:02And I don't want, obviously, Amelia to catch anything.
11:04I'd love to give you a cuddle.
11:06I'll come back when this is all over.
11:13Pregnant women in the community are being urged
11:15to stay in touch with their midwives.
11:18And in Bradford, most appointments are still happening face-to-face.
11:23Noor is due in a couple of weeks.
11:27Hello, Noor. Hello.
11:29How are you? I'm good, thank you.
11:31I'm good, darling. I'll follow you.
11:33I'll stay behind.
11:43It's good? Yeah.
11:45Oh!
11:47Oh, I'm trying to get up after I've been on my back.
11:51I imagine being pregnant is daunting at the best of times.
11:56And then Covid becomes an enormous part of our lives.
12:00Yeah, it's already scary having the unknown
12:05when you want to give birth.
12:07So with Covid, it's even more now.
12:10And I feel like there are times where I could have celebrated
12:13or been happy during my pregnancy, but Covid took it away.
12:17Where are your family? Do you have a support network around?
12:20So I was living in London. I grew up my whole life there.
12:23I met my husband, and then we got married a year later.
12:29And we moved to Bradford.
12:31When was the last time you saw your mum?
12:33So during the Covid, I was socially distanced,
12:35and even before the lockdown happened.
12:38So I hadn't seen her for over two or three months.
12:42But I FaceTimed her every single day,
12:44maybe two or three times, just to see how she's doing.
12:48She sees how I'm doing. Show her my bum.
12:50Has it dropped? Is it still in the same place?
12:54In an ideal world, what kind of labour would you like?
12:57What kind of birth would you like?
12:59One where the bird just comes and drops her down the hall.
13:07Yeah, that sounds ideal, doesn't it?
13:09No sweating, no huffing and puffing.
13:13Now I hear you.
13:18As I talk to families, I realise that one of their biggest fears
13:21is being separated at the hospital.
13:24Only one symptom-free birth partner is allowed on the ward,
13:28and they can only come in once the mum is in active labour.
13:33Joe has just dropped off his wife, Beth.
13:36She's expecting twins, and so she's classed as high-risk.
13:40She's going to be induced today.
13:42Joe, how are you feeling?
13:44Nervous, very nervous.
13:47A bit miffed as well, but rules are rules.
13:50It's not the best, that.
13:52You have to let her go in and tackle it on her own, to start with.
13:58Of course, she'll want to be there. Yeah, absolutely.
14:00That's totally understandable.
14:02More for her, more for her than me.
14:05I mean, she's been terrified of getting it,
14:07and I'm an extension of her when I go out, when I've been out working,
14:10so I've been terrified myself of coming home and giving her it.
14:14She had the baby shower.
14:16She's missed out on a lot. Missed out on loads.
14:18As have you, Joe. Yeah, yeah.
14:20From my point of view, you just feel useless.
14:25You know, you can't...
14:26All you can do is reassure her, reassure her, reassure her.
14:30Everything will be all right, don't worry.
14:33For many, Covid has changed what should be a joyful experience
14:37into a deeply stressful one.
14:40On the labour ward, there's an emergency.
14:43A woman has been rushed into theatre.
14:45There's going to be an emergency caesarean section.
14:48Yeah, it's for failure to progress in labour.
14:50Failure to progress in labour? Yeah.
14:53And they're in no immediate danger? No.
14:55But you feel like you've got to intervene? Yeah.
14:58I've witnessed these sections before.
15:01And there was none of this? Yeah.
15:02And this is all precautionary?
15:04Yes, so this is all new to what we were doing before Covid
15:07to protect ourselves, just in case.
15:11Because she's tested negative. She has.
15:13But the test's up 100%. Exactly.
15:16Covid tests can miss up to one in five infected patients.
15:20So, because blood and other fluids are exposed in surgery,
15:23the team have to wear high-level PPE.
15:27So, now you're ready to go through these doors. OK.
15:29Yes, and then we'll see you. Thank you.
15:31Right, so I'll go through. Thank you. Thanks for your help.
15:40This mum has given us permission to film her surgery.
15:46She doesn't speak any English,
15:47so she's being supported by her husband's aunt.
15:53Keep going, keep going.
15:55Give me some more, that's it. Keep going.
15:59That's it, keep going. Lovely.
16:01Whoa, hold on. I can see the baby.
16:04There we are.
16:06Hey, you.
16:07Oh, he's a beautiful size. Look at him.
16:10So, we're just going to give him a minute
16:12so he gets lots of good blood through the cord.
16:14All right.
16:17You'll be all right. You'll be all right. Not long.
16:21But things are not right, and the baby hasn't started to breathe.
16:25The team has to get him to the paediatric specialists quickly.
16:31I'm just going to take him outside, darling.
16:34So the baby doctor's outside, all right?
16:40They rush him outside to the corridor, where the Covid risk is lower.
16:51I can't hear a heartbeat.
16:55Can you help me?
16:56Don't...
17:00Oh, my God.
17:01That's all right.
17:02Oh, my God.
17:04Do you want to stop them?
17:06Don't need to stop them.
17:07All right.
17:08Baby crying
17:10You all right?
17:12Oh, my God.
17:13Baby crying
17:15Oh.
17:16They're not cleaning it.
17:17Oh.
17:18Yep, they're not.
17:19All right.
17:21Oh, my gosh.
17:23You are incredible.
17:25You are all so incredible.
17:27She's, like, completely flattened down.
17:29She's done very well.
17:35Congratulations.
17:36He's so beautiful.
17:37Oh, thank you.
17:43He's so handsome.
17:46Oh, he's perfect.
17:48Look at him.
17:49Can we wave?
17:52And it's her first child, isn't it?
17:53It's her first baby, yeah.
17:57Eyes perfect.
18:03Despite the fact you're having to wear PPE
18:05and you can't hear and you feel restricted
18:07and there's much more movement and things have radically changed,
18:11the way that you guys react is just...
18:14We've got better as time's gone on.
18:16It's a learning process, isn't it?
18:18I know exactly what to do,
18:19but the first couple of weeks was quite scary.
18:22It's all new, isn't it?
18:24And this is us for the time being, isn't it?
18:26This is the new way of living and working.
18:30Thank you so much.
18:31Thank you so, so much for having us.
18:33I'm so appreciative.
18:35I really am grateful.
18:44The research team in Bradford have been reporting daily to UCOS,
18:49the largest UK study on the impact of COVID in pregnancy.
18:54How does COVID-19 affect pregnant women?
18:56Well, the evidence from the UCOS studies just come out, actually.
19:00So they've not found that pregnant women
19:02are at any more risk of catching COVID,
19:04which is something we're really pleased about,
19:06because we did wonder.
19:07Women sometimes are more at risk of things when they're pregnant
19:10because their immune system can change.
19:12Transmission to babies is uncommon,
19:14but obviously there's a lot we still don't know.
19:17Jen, how many pregnant women who tested positive for COVID have died?
19:22The UCOS report had mentioned that there were five
19:25where COVID was involved,
19:27so we don't know if that was the direct cause or not.
19:30And there have been over 1,000 women in that study so far with COVID,
19:34and the vast majority have been absolutely fine.
19:37But that's still five very sad cases.
19:41Yeah, I was speaking to one of the midwives downstairs,
19:43and she was saying, gore, the idea that, you know,
19:46a mother might not come if, you know, she isn't...
19:49There's no movement, or perhaps she's bleeding.
19:54But the threat of COVID, because they know COVID is present here,
19:57they feel too frightened to approach the hospital.
20:00That's our main concern as a maternity unit,
20:03that maternity services don't stop.
20:05In a pandemic, babies don't stop coming.
20:07You know, the midwives are all still here.
20:09And if there's something that you would ordinarily
20:11have rung the midwife about,
20:12we really want to get across that message,
20:14that you still do, we're here.
20:21On the neonatal intensive care unit,
20:24there's a young mum who was faced with exactly that situation.
20:32Hello!
20:33Katie, Lee, how are you?
20:36Am I all right to just lean here?
20:38Yeah.
20:39Oh, great.
20:41It's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.
20:44So, this is baby Jacob.
20:46Mm-hm.
20:47And remind me, how much he weighs?
20:49Right now, he weighs two kilos,
20:51and he weighed 940 grams when he was born,
20:54so he's more than doubled his birth weight.
20:57Which is brilliant news. Yeah.
21:00Katie was six months pregnant in mid-April
21:02and had been isolating at home when she felt unwell.
21:06I wasn't sure about going to Mascan
21:08because of coronavirus.
21:10I hadn't decided, because I wouldn't want to do anything
21:13that was going to jeopardise Jacob by not going.
21:16But in my mind, I thought it might be safer to stay at home
21:19because of the virus.
21:22But despite her fears, Katie did attend her scan
21:25and discovered she had pre-eclampsia,
21:27a very serious condition that can be fatal for both mum and baby.
21:35Katie was rushed in for an emergency caesarean,
21:37and Jacob was born three months premature.
21:40Hey, you've got your eyes open, baby.
21:43Katie and Lee spent every day in the hospital with their son
21:47until they started developing symptoms of Covid.
21:51We both started feeling a bit unwell,
21:53and then Katie's temperature just skyrocketed.
21:55She got into bed and she was just like an oven,
21:58but she was like, I'm just so cold, I'm just really cold,
22:01will you put another blanket on me?
22:02I spent that night wide awake, just freezing,
22:05and I was like, I think I've got coronavirus.
22:08I text my mum...
22:09As if you haven't been for enough, you know what I mean?
22:11So, and I literally, I prayed.
22:14I was like, I don't even know...
22:16I'm all right.
22:18I'm like, I don't even know what else...
22:22Sorry.
22:30I'm all right. I'm sorry, I can't come and give you a squeeze.
22:34The unit organised fast turnaround tests,
22:37but Katie and Lee couldn't see Jacob for the next four days
22:40until their results came back negative.
22:44The relief you must have felt, Katie, both of you.
22:47So, what have the doctors said?
22:48You know, if everything pans out in the way that we hope it does
22:52and you're home, the three of you, in a couple of weeks' time,
22:56when will Jacob be allowed to interact with the extended family?
23:00In terms of being with other people, at the moment,
23:03I'm not really sure.
23:04Because, obviously, I've got, like, new mum anxiety
23:07with, like, pandemic anxiety on top of that,
23:09in terms of, like, letting people near him or touch him, so...
23:12And do you know what, Katie, that'll all come, innit?
23:15That'll all come. It's just delayed.
23:20The staff at the hospital have been trying, wherever possible,
23:23to keep parents and babies together,
23:26despite visiting restrictions.
23:28It goes so against what we think we should do.
23:30We want people to be in here.
23:32This is the baby's world and this should be the family's world.
23:35And the baby's world without the family, it's wrong.
23:39And I think it's one of the things that we've learnt is we can do this.
23:42We get people in masks, we group them in alcohol,
23:45we think how we can manage distancing when we can't be very far apart,
23:49because babies are tiny and we've got to be very close to them.
23:51But we can make it safe and we can make it safe
23:54and we can make it safe.
23:55But we can make it safe and it's been a steep learning curve,
23:59working out how we can do that.
24:00Have you lost any babies as a result of coronavirus?
24:06I've had one baby who did get coronavirus after discharge,
24:09who got really very poorly.
24:13They did have other problems and it's very hard to know
24:16the extent to which the coronavirus played a part.
24:20But, yes, we did have one baby who died.
24:23But mums and babies generally have done very well.
24:25I've been very sad that colleagues have become very poorly
24:29across the wider system.
24:31One of my fellow neonatologists in the Midlands got coronavirus
24:34and died and that seems very close to home when that happens.
24:40Although babies rarely get sick from Covid,
24:43they can potentially catch the virus from anyone infected with it,
24:47even if that person doesn't feel unwell.
24:51On the post-natal red zone, there's an asymptomatic mum
24:54who tested positive on admission.
24:57When did she give birth?
24:59So, she gave birth yesterday in the early hours and it was a section.
25:05Madia is in isolation with her baby daughter, Hannah.
25:09Just got Stacey here as well.
25:11Am I allowed to come in? Yeah, of course you are.
25:13Thank you ever so much.
25:15Oh, look at that.
25:17You look incredible.
25:18Thank you. You look so well.
25:20You look so beautiful.
25:23No symptoms at all?
25:25No symptoms at all.
25:27At all.
25:29I've had a really nice pregnancy and, you know,
25:32I didn't even get an inkling.
25:33So, when I was told, it was a really big shock for me.
25:36I didn't expect it at all.
25:38Do you feel apprehensive?
25:40Do you have any concerns about leaving hospital?
25:42You know, we've all been through this.
25:45Only concern I have is, can I get it again?
25:47And would I know if I've got it?
25:49Or can I get it with symptoms, without symptoms?
25:52You just don't know how bad you can get it, really.
25:56Hannah, you know, the professionals here have obviously
26:00made the decision to keep mothers with their babies,
26:04even if they're testing positive to Covid.
26:07So, obviously, we have a policy.
26:09We do want to keep mum and babies together.
26:11We don't want to set up a lockdown.
26:12We don't want to keep mum and babies together.
26:14We don't want to separate mum and baby out for any reason.
26:17That's just what we don't do.
26:19It's just more safer to keep mum and baby together.
26:21There's no risk factors or any sort of reason
26:23for why they should be separated,
26:24unless any neonatal unit admissions.
26:27I guess I'm one of the lucky ones, to be honest,
26:29because it could have been the other way around.
26:32And that's another scary thing, because what if I did have
26:35the symptoms and something did happen to me,
26:37would she still be here?
26:38So much of that plays on your mind.
26:41Would you be able to, you know, tell her about this?
26:43Yeah, I brought you through the pandemic.
26:46THEY LAUGH
26:48You're special.
26:58You speak to the midwives, they say,
27:01as a working environment, this feels radically different.
27:06But my understanding is, this is here to stay,
27:09certainly for the foreseeable future.
27:11If you're going to give birth, it's going to feel and look like this.
27:14To begin with, we were thinking about what life post-Covid
27:16was going to look like, and then we've soon realised
27:19that this isn't life post-Covid, it's going to be life with Covid.
27:22I think it's really opened the eyes of many healthcare professionals.
27:26That social distancing, the fact that you haven't got people
27:30coming to the hospital unnecessarily,
27:32it's all about minimising the risk of infection.
27:35That should be the norm for us from now on.
27:42We have to celebrate the victories, you know,
27:45there's been so much heartache and so much uncertainty
27:49and we've lost so many people.
27:53And there's something quite comforting...
27:57..knowing that, you know, for many families, life will go on.
28:06Meeting these families has been such a privilege for me.
28:09But before I left, there was one more person
28:11I really wanted to catch up with.
28:15What makes this it?
28:18Oh, my God.
28:21Ciao.
28:22Oh, mate, well done.
28:24Two boys?
28:26Two boys.
28:27HE LAUGHS
28:29Yeah, proper proud. Proud as much.
28:31We'll let you enjoy, Beth, cos you haven't got long.
28:33Are you allowed to stay for a bit?
28:35No, I think I'm going to stay for a bit.
28:37No, I think an hour or two.
28:39Joe, lots of love, mate.
28:41Take care.
28:42What an entrance.
28:48Stacey Dooley back in a moment
28:49with EastEnders' Secrets From The Square.