If Buddha lost his memory, would he still be a Buddha? || Acharya Prashant, with DU (2022)

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00:00Sir, I have been suffering from somatic, a kind of OCD which is called as somatic OCD

00:09for about two years.

00:12So my question is not related to OCD because I don't want any solution of that.

00:18But due to that I have come across some, some question has arisen in my mind that what,

00:25I was in constant fear for around two years, like not even a second, I was like in constant,

00:34constant fear.

00:35So I was on pills, on sleeping pills and anti-anxiety pills.

00:41But what I think helped me a lot is a book named called The Power of Subconscious Mind.

00:55So my question is, is there something beyond mind, like I have been listening to you for

01:06two years, since 2020, but so I was in, I was getting convinced for that both concepts.

01:17But when I, when I face this problem, so what happened is that book helped me to get recovered.

01:27If I talk about right now, so I'm 90% out of that OCD.

01:33So that book suggested that, I'm also convinced with that book.

01:39So I just want you to explain because I don't want to get convinced by that book.

01:45So what happened is, that book said that if you are thinking about something in a certain

01:51pattern, so that thinking will become your whole world.

01:55So if I was constantly thinking about my OCD problem, so I wasn't paying attention to my

02:00parents or my studies, even I failed in my exam to do that.

02:04So, so when I read that book, the method was suggested that you should, we all should think

02:11in a certain right way because every of us knows that what is right and wrong to some extent.

02:20So I started thinking in kind of, I can say in an opposite way.

02:26So I started, I made a pattern of a positive thinking and it took around seven to eight

02:35months, but my mind got convinced with that positive concept.

02:40So my question is that, when you talk about the beyond mind concept or the both concept,

02:47what is that?

02:48Because I have never experienced it.

02:50So is that the only a kind of a state of mind, like everybody has a state of mind and that

02:57both thing is also a state of mind, only just a higher state of mind.

03:01Is it so?

03:02Is it just, is it within the parameter of mind or beyond that?

03:08Because for example, simply, if we take example of Buddha, he took like 12 years for nirvana.

03:20So if we erase all the 12 years of his memory, like completely, so will he be the same Buddha?

03:28Because he has reached that level where he knows what is both his.

03:33So if I erase all the 12 year memories of Buddha, he is that prince in his mention.

03:41So will he that be same Buddha?

03:42If not, then both is also a part of mind only because both is also a part of memory.

03:48And if I erase the memory, Buddha will come back to the normal human being.

03:55So this is my question, is that both is beyond mind or it is just a part of mind?

04:02Just a state of mind which we can achieve by practice.

04:06Let me invert the question.

04:14What if you give the same memories to some random person, will he become a Buddha?

04:20I don't know sir.

04:24You think of it.

04:28There are so many people who are born in similar circumstances as prince Gautam, who live much

04:36the same life, get married, have a kingdom waiting for them, get a baby.

04:47So this is a very common kind of situation.

04:52Do you see these situations engendering, producing a Buddha?

05:00Sir, it was his luck or I don't know, but he find those things disturbing, so he worked

05:11on it and he found…

05:14Why don't all people do that?

05:15There are so many people in these situations.

05:18Why don't more people do that?

05:21Let's say, if not all, then at least 10%, why doesn't that happen?

05:25Because not everybody is brave enough to…

05:30So what is this bravery?

05:32What is this bravery?

05:33Is it memory?

05:34Is it memory?

05:35What is it?

05:36Just a state of mind.

05:37What do you mean by state of mind?

05:38What do you mean by mind?

05:39Mind is a concept.

05:40All states of the mind come from somewhere.

05:41The mind is just a concept.

05:42So what do you mean by mind?

05:43Where does the Buddha's uniqueness come from?

05:58I see it as a coincidence.

06:07So then you can even say that if you take away the Buddha's memory, then it's a matter

06:13of coincidence whether he will remain a Buddha or not.

06:17No, but I want to know that.

06:20But then you yourself have, you have brought in randomness into the picture, you are saying

06:25it's a coincidence.

06:26See, it's a subtle thing, understand.

06:34The Buddha is not his body, at the same time there is no Buddha without the body.

06:41Take this and meditate over it.

06:46The Buddha is not the body of the Buddha, equally there is no Buddha without the body.

06:58So one completes the other, right?

07:01Think of it.

07:02It's not that one completes, there are not two parts.

07:05There is something far deeper than the book you are reading.

07:09Sir, I never used to believe on such books, but that actually helped me.

07:21So that is the question I am asking.

07:24We are not saying that only deep things can help people.

07:30A lot of superficial things help a lot of people, so it's okay.

07:35To be helped, you do not always require a Buddha.

07:39Sometimes you may even require a porter or a plumber, an electrician, you don't always

07:49require a master surgeon.

07:51Sometimes even a pharmacist is okay to help you.

07:57So I am not denying that the stuff you might have read might have helped you, but the thing

08:04is help has various levels, right?

08:12We do not know the level of our disease, so often we do not even know the level at which

08:20we need help.

08:21But nevertheless, it's great if you find relief by plunging yourself into positive thought

08:30and newer patterns, may it last.

08:37No, sir, I don't want to be dependent on that, I am not like that, but that actually helped me, which bothered me.

08:48Then you are still being bothered by this thing?

08:50Where is the lack of botheration?

08:53But sir, that wrong thing helped me, so that's where I got bothered about it.

09:00If a wrong thing has a certain impact on you, it is not called help, it is called delusion.

09:11If a wrong thing, as you admittedly say, it's a wrong thing, but it helped me.

09:17The wrong thing, the impact that it has on you is called delusion, it is called misleading,

09:24it is not called help.

09:27It may appear like help, it may appear like help for a while, but sooner than later the

09:34bubble will burst.

09:39The real thing is the real thing, there is no substitute.

09:43You cannot have positive thinking as a substitute for Buddha's wisdom.

09:49Yes, sir, so I want to know the real thing, that is the question.

10:01But you say, how is it possible, you have already been helped.

10:06No, I don't want to get helped by that, because I know that won't last.

10:14There is going to be a problem, you see, the real thing requires abstinence, parhej.

10:21You understand abstinence, parhej?

10:24You have to stay clear of stuff that causes sickness in the first place.

10:33Wisdom and thought patterns are the very food of sickness, that's what the ego feeds

10:42on.

10:44First of all, one has to stop all that.

10:50The doctor, even as he prescribes you pills, also prescribes you stuff to stay away from,

10:56right?

10:58If you don't stay away, the pills won't work.

11:04Don't you see that the center your thought is coming from is itself,

11:14the problem the center itself is facing?

11:23How can you extend the problem to treat itself?

11:30How can you energize the problem and hope for a solution?

11:40How can you trick yourself into being wiser?

11:49That's what most of the self-help books do.

11:52They say you can fool yourself into getting wiser.

11:57The thing is, if you can be fooled, how are you getting any wiser?

12:04Sir, I had read that book many years before too.

12:16So at that time, I ignored that book, but my friend suggested me that again, so I read

12:23it.

12:24Why do you have such friends?

12:27Maybe that's part of the problem, no?

12:30Who?

12:31Sir, at that time, I was like, very, very frantic, no, no, what's your name?

12:40Ayushi.

12:41Ayushi.

12:42Who suggested me to you?

12:43My brother.

12:44Your brother.

12:45Are you friends with your brother?

12:50No.

12:51You fight with your brother because he suggested me to you and that some random rascal is your

13:01friend who is suggesting you all kinds of stuff that you shouldn't be into.

13:13Most often, it's not people who recommend me to people.

13:16Most often, it's money that recommends me to people.

13:21That's the problem if you see.

13:29Nobody will come, nobody in your circle will come to recommend me to you.

13:38With nonsense, people are expert at recommending.

13:44Nonsense spreads like wildfire, becomes a national bestseller, international bestseller

13:47in no time.

13:51For you to come to me, I have to spend tons of money, just so that you can get a glimpse

13:59of what I want to say.

14:05Do you see where the problem is?

14:08The problem is in the environment.

14:11Unless you turn your back to the environment and move into yourself, there is no redemption.

14:20You'll have to be with people, with sources who encourage you to know yourself.

14:29If you continue to keep the company you do, you'll continue to keep the disease you do

14:40and your brother deserves better treatment.

14:44If he has recommended me to you, you have a very nice brother.

14:53I'm just patting myself on the back.

14:57Yes, they say backhanded compliment, by praising your brother I am indirectly buttering myself.

15:09One indulges sometimes.

15:12Even in spirituality you have cheat days, so you can feed the ego on those days.

15:22But sir, I am actually bothered about that, because I know that is a wrong thing.

15:34My question is, that is a wrong thing that helped me, so I wasn't bothered about it.

15:40It didn't help you.

15:42You see, just the day before there was Holi.

15:51And some people in the foundation, they took copious amounts of bhang.

15:57And then they were so happy.

16:00They were continuously happy.

16:02They were so happy, I became miserable.

16:08They didn't do anything for straight 24 hours.

16:12One of them occupied my bed and refused to budge and didn't do a thing.

16:19You can be happy for anything.

16:21Bhang, ganja, weed, LSD, PST, anything can make you very happy.

16:32So, happiness is not a criteria.

16:35Don't you see what makes the general person happy?

16:42How can you treat happiness with such reverence?

16:49Our friend Julius is so happy.

16:56He came from Finland to us just to enjoy bhang and he is still happy.

17:01It's been 3 days now.

17:04The happiness isn't subsiding.

17:07See, what, bhang, what are you raising your hand for?

17:18Sir, you might be taking me as a girl who is trying to defend that book, but that's not the case.

17:32No, I am not taking you as someone who is defending that book.

17:36Girl, yes, I am taking you as a girl, but the other part I am not considering.

17:41Sir, please let me express myself completely.

17:46See, I too have a right to be happy.

17:49So, allow me to be happy at your expense.

17:54Yes, please.

17:56Sir, so my question is, that bodh concept or whatever it is called.

18:03It is not a concept.

18:04Wait, wait.

18:05Where are you coming from?

18:07Who told you bodh is a concept?

18:09Bodh is to look at all your concepts.

18:13Bodh in itself is not a concept.

18:18Bodh concept, atma concept.

18:21Are you coming from one of those humanities schools that deal only with ideas

18:26and claim that there is nothing beyond the human mind and human ideas?

18:31I was disgusted when I read one of those books by a supposedly famous author

18:37and he talked of the atma concept, the brahm concept.

18:42This is so disgusting.

18:45Atma concept?

18:46Atma is a concept.

18:48If atma is a concept, what are you living for?

18:53Sir, please allow me to, I might be choosing the wrong words.

18:58I asked Rohit bhaiya to speak in Hindi because I express more myself clearly in Hindi.

19:04But, so, might be I am choosing the wrong word.

19:07You can very happily continue in Hindi.

19:10I will be very happy.

19:14Speak in Hindi.

19:15Sir, just a question.

19:19Sir, the question is,

19:21whatever is right, I don't have any experience of it.

19:27I don't know anything about it.

19:29So, I want to ask, is it a just a state of mind, a higher state of mind

19:35or is it something beyond the mind?

19:44Why do you want to go to a higher state?

19:49To get rid of our problems.

19:52To get rid of?

19:53Our problems.

19:55Means, where are the problems?

19:58Even we have them.

19:59They are at the bottom.

20:01That's why you go up and say,

20:04you are going from the bottom to the top and saying,

20:06I am getting rid of my problems.

20:08So, the problem will be at the bottom,

20:10that's why you are going up and saying,

20:12getting rid of my problems.

20:13Right?

20:14Right?

20:15So, there were problems here, so you went up.

20:18So, going up,

20:20now you have gone up relatively, so automatically.

20:23So, are the problems at the top also zero?

20:27No, not at all.

20:32So, the reason, the reason you went up a little from the bottom,

20:36what will you do from the same reason?

20:40From the top also?

20:43I will go a little higher.

20:44You will go a little higher, yes.

20:46That's it, this is called,

20:48towards the soul,

20:50constant insistence,

20:53continuously increasing,

20:56the soul is not a concept,

21:00the soul is not a destination,

21:02the soul is the movement,

21:06the soul is the movement,

21:08it is the energizer,

21:10it is the life,

21:12it is the foundation.

21:14If it is not there, why will anyone go up?

21:22That's why it is also called infinite,

21:24because no matter how much you go up,

21:26it is not there.

21:27You have come very close,

21:29but there is still a little bit left.

21:31There is still a little bit left, that's why it is fun in the game.

21:33If everything is over, then the game is also over.

21:47So, we are going up,

21:50that is also going through the mind,

21:52so the mind is also saying,

21:54absolutely, absolutely,

21:55it is the mind, it is the mind, it is the mind.

22:00So, that's what I was thinking,

22:02the mind is moving,

22:04absolutely, it is the mind,

22:06and going up is because

22:08it is not happy with itself.

22:10So, there is nothing else,

22:12apart from that,

22:14if there was nothing else, why would you go up?

22:18To reach the full capacity of the mind.

22:21The full capacity is not there.

22:24What is full capacity?

22:25Full capacity is a limit.

22:27Like your car has a full capacity,

22:29that it will fill this much in one tank

22:31and it will go so far in another tank,

22:33this is called full capacity.

22:34The mind wants to exceed all the capacities.

22:38Wherever you put a limit on it,

22:40then there is no happiness left.

22:42If I put a limit on you anywhere,

22:44there will be a problem in your happiness.

22:47Do you want to accept any limit?

22:49You don't want to.

22:51Right?

22:52So, the mind has to keep increasing.

22:54Wherever it has to keep increasing,

22:56that is called the soul.

22:57And that is not a mental state.

22:59Because if the mental state is still there,

23:01then the path is still there,

23:03the distance is still there.

23:07As long as the mind is still there,

23:08the journey of the mind is still there.

23:12But it is absolutely right

23:13that the whole journey is between the mind and the mind.

23:17But if there is only the mind,

23:18then there is no need for the journey.

23:21Right?

23:24So, do you know when this thing will go?

23:25What?

23:26How will it go?

23:27Which is the right path?

23:30You are sitting on a chair.

23:32A nail has come out of it.

23:33It is sticking from behind.

23:35How do you know that the pain has reduced?

23:38How do you know?

23:42When the pain reduces.

23:44When you get up.

23:46When you get up, the pain reduces.

23:47Similarly, when the mind gets up,

23:49the pain reduces.

23:50Will anyone come to tell you

23:51that the pain has reduced?

23:53It was a painful experience.

23:55That experience is the proof.

24:05But the new experience

24:06is also not good in itself.

24:08You have to go further than that.

24:09You have to go further than that.

24:11You can say that there was a lot of pain.

24:13The pain reduced a little.

24:14Then the pain reduced a little.

24:15You don't have to consider

24:16any of those experiences

24:18to be happiness.

24:20It is not happiness.

24:22It is just relatively

24:24the pain has reduced.

24:29And the pain has reduced.

24:31But remember,

24:33you have also changed.

24:35So, the less the pain,

24:36the more you will feel bad

24:37as much as you used to feel bad

24:38before.

24:41So, the pain has reduced.

24:42So, the less the pain,

24:43the more you will feel bad

24:44as much as you used to feel bad

24:45before.

24:47Do you understand?

24:49Think of it this way.

24:52You were in class 2.

24:55You were in class 2.

25:03It can be a simple math problem

25:04that you are not able to solve

25:05because you are a small kid.

25:12Now, you are in class 4.

25:14You are able to solve

25:15the simple questions

25:16that you were not able to solve

25:17in class 2.

25:21But now,

25:22there is another

25:23and a little difficult question

25:24that you are not able to solve.

25:30Will your happiness increase?

25:33Your ignorance has reduced.

25:35Earlier,

25:36there was a very easy question.

25:38Will your happiness increase?

25:39Earlier,

25:40there was a very easy question

25:41that you were not able to solve.

25:43Now, you are able to solve

25:44that question.

25:46But has your happiness

25:47really increased?

25:50Why has it not increased?

25:52Because you have also changed.

25:54The question has changed

25:55but you have also changed.

25:58In the same way,

26:00we can increase

26:01our happiness

26:02at the level of our mind.

26:03In the same way,

26:06we can increase

26:08our happiness

26:09at the level of our mind

26:10but it is of no use.

26:13Because the person

26:14who is experiencing happiness

26:17has also changed.

26:18His expectations have changed.

26:26People get happiness

26:27from money, right?

26:28People

26:31extract happiness

26:32from money,

26:33right?

26:35You were 25 years old.

26:37In 25 years,

26:38you used to get 25,000 rupees.

26:41You were 25 years old

26:42and you used to get

26:4325,000 rupees.

26:47Did you have a level

26:48of happiness?

26:50What did you want

26:51for your salary?

26:54To increase,

26:55right?

26:56To increase,

26:57right?

26:59You are 35 years old

27:00and you are getting

27:0135,000 rupees.

27:02Did your happiness increase?

27:06Did it increase or not?

27:07It increased.

27:09Because you have also changed.

27:11Your salary has changed

27:12and you have also changed.

27:13So, your happiness has not increased.

27:15This is the story

27:16of a common man's life.

27:17We think

27:18that we are making progress.

27:19We don't see

27:20that we are changing

27:21our situation.

27:22We are also changing

27:23with the situation.

27:24That is why

27:25happiness is not increasing

27:26by giving a low.

27:30Are you getting me?

27:35No matter how much

27:36you change your external

27:37situation,

27:38the inner one

27:39changes with

27:40the external situation.

27:41Now, tell me

27:42what will you do?

27:45It is like

27:48a fraction

27:49x upon y

27:52which has to remain constant.

27:54x upon y

27:57is equal to c.

27:59You keep increasing

28:00x and x

28:01and y

28:02is the function

28:03of x.

28:04No matter how much

28:05x increases,

28:06y increases accordingly.

28:07So, what comes

28:08after x increases to y?

28:10c.

28:11c.

28:14This is the word

28:15for a person

28:16in life.

28:17c.

28:21We keep thinking

28:22that we keep increasing

28:24x and x

28:25and our work

28:26will be done.

28:27We don't even know

28:28that y is also increasing.

28:29Did we get it?

28:30Nothing.

28:32c.

28:40Are you getting me?

28:42That is why

28:43you cannot say

28:44that if you go to

28:45any level of the mind,

28:46you can stay there.

28:48In reality,

28:50any level of the mind

28:52is very different

28:53from any level of the body.

28:55Because if the mind has changed,

28:56then what is in the centre

28:57of the mind has also changed.

29:00That is why

29:01you have to keep increasing.

29:03And you have to keep increasing

29:04with the same intensity

29:05that you started with.

29:14Are you getting me?

29:21You are not getting me.

29:23No.

29:26This is the effect

29:27of the wrong company.

29:36Sir,

29:41I still have

29:42a doubt

29:43about this question.

29:46I told you

29:47that you will clear

29:48your doubt in 15 minutes.

29:51Yes,

29:52sir.

29:55You take 3 years

29:57to complete

29:58a basic B.Sc.

29:59or B.Com.

30:00to complete

30:01a basic B.Sc.

30:02or B.Com.

30:03A Ph.D.

30:04in which you

30:05do not do much.

30:07A person

30:08takes 30 years

30:09to complete

30:10a Ph.D.

30:11in his life.

30:12You have completed

30:13a Ph.D.

30:14in 30 years.

30:15And

30:16you say

30:17that you have

30:18completed

30:19a Ph.D.

30:20which is

30:212 years.

30:22I have been listening

30:23to you for 2 years.

30:27How much more

30:28will it take?

30:29You have given

30:3015 more minutes.

30:312 years and 15 minutes.

30:34Is it done?

30:35Is it more than this?

30:37Brother,

30:38you are asking

30:39too much.

30:43No, sir.

30:49No, sir.

30:50You go

30:51and read

30:56Vedanta.

31:01And do it

31:02for at least

31:032-4 years in a row.

31:10Will I get cancer?

31:13I don't know

31:14what you will get

31:15but happiness

31:18can be cured.

31:20Sir,

31:21there is no cure

31:22for happiness.

31:25There can be a cure

31:26for a problem

31:27related to happiness.

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