During the Senate hearing, Sen. Bato Dela Rosa expressed his frustration over the pepper spray incident that occurred during the PNP operation at the KOJC compound.
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00:00On day two, your honor, this is day two, at 6 o'clock to 7 o'clock in the morning, an identified PNP staff member, your honor, pepper-sprayed the member of the Board of Administrators of KOJC, your honor.
00:17We are still determining the name of this person, your honor, because we already have an affidavit complaint.
00:25Can you go back to that slide, your honor?
00:31We would like to know the identity of that person, your honor.
00:34Can you go back?
00:36There was a police officer who pepper-sprayed.
00:39That's the one who pepper-sprayed...
00:43General Torrey, wait a minute. Did you see this video? I saw it.
00:47Ma'am Nori, Ma'am Nori.
00:51Nori Cardona. From the backside, she pepper-sprayed Cardona. Did you see that video?
01:08Yes sir.
01:10What can you say about that?
01:12We released the person, sir, and we have already started the pre-charge investigation. According to him, it's not pepper-spray but an alcohol spray.
01:20I can't justify what he did, but that's wrong, sir.
01:25Please do not justify.
01:28Did you feel alcohol, Ma'am Cardona? Did you see alcohol?
01:34Is alcohol bitter, sir? Will it turn red if you spray it? It's clean, right?
01:39Just look at it. I don't want to lie anymore, sir.
01:47Where is that person?
01:49That's a member of the Special Action Force, sir.
01:51And Drugs Maliban has already initiated the pre-charge investigation.
01:55May we know the name, your honor, and the assignment of this person from the good general, your honor?
02:00Okay, for the consumption of this committee, please give us the name.
02:06General Maliban.
02:08Yes, sir, your honor. Sir, the personnel is assigned with the 41st SAC.
02:13He is now under restricted custody. His name is Corporal Lacanaria, sir.
02:18What?
02:19Yes, sir.
02:20From PNP-SAC?
02:21Yes, sir. PNP-SAC, sir. 41st SAC.
02:23Corporal?
02:24Ray Lacanaria, sir.
02:27So right now, he's facing administrative charges?
02:31Yes, sir. We already started the summary hearing procedure, sir.
02:35Summary hearing procedure?
02:36Yes, sir.
02:37Please update this committee.
02:39Update this committee as to the progress of the case you have charged against that personnel.
02:47Take note. That does not prevent the complainant to file criminal charges if she wants to.
03:00Yes, sir.
03:01So you do the administrative charge.
03:04I feel ashamed.
03:07It's like you're a traitor.
03:10You're a cop.
03:12You tried to rape a woman.
03:14A woman!
03:16From behind, you used a paper spray.
03:19It was just a word in front of the people there.
03:24Then, from behind, with the element of trickery,
03:31I tell you, it's embarrassing.
03:33She's a cop.
03:34And she's a woman.
03:36She's an old woman.
03:39She's older than him.
03:40She did that from behind.
03:42She sprayed him with a paper spray.
03:44Then, she slapped him.
03:47We don't want to have people like that in the Philippine National Police.
03:52Why did she confront him?
03:54Ma'am, what's your problem?
03:56Let's talk.
03:57She's a man.
04:00It's really ugly.
04:01I saw the video.
04:03From behind, she did that to the woman.
04:06Then, the woman did that to him because she sprayed him with a paper spray.
04:10We're the police.
04:12Why is our style like that?
04:15Even if you're being bullied there,
04:18even if you're being abused in your situation there,
04:22why?
04:23We're trained.
04:25Right?
04:27Be sure.
04:28Talk to this committee about that police case.
04:31I, myself,
04:35I felt offended by that action.
04:37It's really ugly.
04:39Then, it's spread on social media.
04:41The image of that kind of police is being destroyed.
04:46Mr. Chairman.
04:48Go ahead.
04:49Chairman, may I say something?
04:50I was there when the fire broke out on August 24.
04:53So, I would like to surmise
04:55I think the tyrannical behavior of General Torres
04:58emboldens his men.
05:00The treacherous and the oppressive
05:03that the people of the country can do.
05:05I think that kind of leadership
05:07emboldens his men to do the very same thing.
05:12No time.
05:13Your Honor, if I may.
05:14Yes.
05:15May we request the good colonel
05:17to provide us the address of Ray Lacanarias
05:20so we can move on.
05:21May we know his address, sir?
05:22Wait.
05:23Wait.
05:24Play that video again.
05:25Play it.
05:26There.
05:27From the back.
05:28There.
05:29It was destroyed.
05:30It was destroyed.
05:31It's terrible.
05:32It's ugly.
05:33It's really ugly.
05:34It's like nothing happened.
05:36Your Honor,
05:38I don't think he would do that
05:39if there was no bus.
05:40Because, look,
05:41all the police around him
05:42were looking at him.
05:43None of them did anything.
05:45None of them reprimanded him.
05:46He was sitting.
05:47He went back to his seat, Your Honor,
05:48and he reached the paper space next to him.
05:50None of them did anything.
05:52None of them.
05:53Well, that is our assumption.
05:54Yes, that's my assumption.
05:55We can assume.
05:56We can assume that someone ordered him to do that.
05:58But it could also be that
06:02he did it on his own.
06:05We can make our own assumptions.
06:07But that's why you should investigate,
06:09Rex Malimban.
06:12Who is the team leader of that police?
06:15Maybe he's the one who ordered it.
06:16Tell us.
06:17Play it.
06:18If he ordered it,
06:21we would be more embarrassed.
06:23Yes, sir.
06:24Anyway, sir,
06:25as what RD Pro11 have stated, sir,
06:28we do not justify his action, sir.
06:31But if he's individually, sir,
06:33he just woke up, sir.
06:34At that time, sir.
06:35He just woke up.
06:38He just woke up, sir.
06:41Justify waking up for that kind of action.
06:45If he justified it,
06:47we would be special action force.
06:50That's right.
06:51Yes, sir.
06:52Your Honor.
06:53If he justified waking up,
06:55why would a woman do that?
06:58Yes, sir.
07:01Your Honor.
07:02We are the elite, right?
07:04Special action force.
07:06If you are said to be the elite fighting unit of the Philippine National Police,
07:09you should be the elite also in terms of character.
07:13You should be the most gentlemanly.
07:15You should be the most disciplined.
07:18And everybody,
07:19everybody is expecting you to act to be the elite people.
07:25Especially in terms of character.
07:28Okay?
07:30Your Honor.
07:31Yes.
07:32Just two matters so we can move on.
07:34Can we request for the address, Your Honor?
07:36And can we ask both officers?
07:38Point blank, Your Honor.
07:39Give me the address.
07:40Give me the address.
07:41What address?
07:43I will just give him time, sir.
07:45Anyway,
07:46the address is Special Action Force.
07:49Where are you guys?
07:50In Santa Rosa?
07:52Santo Domingo, sir.
07:53Santo Domingo, Santa Rosa, Laguna.
07:56Santo Domingo, Santa Rosa, Laguna.
07:58And just one question.
07:59Santa Rosa.
08:00Can we ask them, point blank,
08:02if Colonel Malimban ordered his men to paper spray my client?
08:08Or if not him, General Torre?
08:10Just one question, Your Honor.
08:15I know Colonel Malimban.
08:16Yeah, he's a good man.
08:17He seems to be a good man, Your Honor.
08:18But I would just like to ask him.
08:19He's a heroic hero.
08:21And I'm asking this officer.
08:24I don't think he will order his men to do that.
08:28Forgive me, my Lord.
08:29That corporal will do that.
08:31Did you order that?
08:32Definitely not, sir.
08:33Definitely not.
08:34I'm sure.
08:36How about your junior officers?
08:37No, sir.
08:38No?
08:39So continue with the investigation, huh?
08:42Mr. Smith.
08:43Go ahead.
08:44After the paper spray incident,
08:47what did our commander do?
08:49Did he call everyone?
08:51Did he remind them that we have to protect the human rights?
08:54That's prohibited.
08:55Blah, blah, blah.
08:56What did we do, sir?
08:57Okay.
08:59Did it come to your attention?
09:01Yes, sir.
09:02That's why, sir.
09:03Actually, before the operation,
09:04we reminded them to observe our protocol, sir.
09:08The use of force continuum.
09:10So it was related to them.
09:13And personally, sir,
09:16I conducted a briefing with them, sir.
09:19Then after that, sir,
09:20he was placed in restrictive custody.
09:23That's why immediately,
09:24we returned him to the camp, sir,
09:26to Tagum, sir.
09:28So there, sir,
09:29for now, sir,
09:30it's ongoing, sir.
09:31So he's now in Tagum?
09:33Yes, sir.
09:34I'm sure.
09:35His case is really shameful.
09:37I'm ashamed of what he did.
09:39Yes, sir.
09:40I'm sure you're also ashamed, right?
09:42Yes, sir.
09:43Huh?
09:44Very treacherous.
09:45From the back, even a woman.
09:47And then,
09:48nothing happened.
09:50What can they say?
09:51Maybe people thought
09:53that's how the special action force is now.
09:55Huh?
09:56The woman is a paper sprayer.
09:58You're trained to fight
10:03hardcore terrorists.
10:06Not this woman who
10:09is just standing there talking
10:11while being sprayed by a paper sprayer.
10:13Please,
10:14do your share.
10:15It's really shameful.