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00:00At this point, the Senate is listening carefully to the issues in Pogo where Dismissed Bambantan LAC Mayor Alice Guo is in jail. Let's watch that live.
00:10Please proceed, Sen. Rafi, as part of your opening statement.
00:13And before we proceed, the chair would like to acknowledge and thank the presence of the majority leader, Sen. Francis. Thank you. Please proceed, Sen. Rafi.
00:24Okay, as you can see, that's the fishing vessel that was mentioned by Alice Guo during one of the hearings.
00:33Sheila, sorry, Sheila Guo, who boarded a small white boat and then transferred to another fishing vessel.
00:44So maybe that's how the video was used.
00:50And we will show how she doesn't need to swim from boat to boat.
00:59Because we also saw from July 1 to July 20, the route mentioned by Sheila Guo is a bit rough.
01:11So it's impossible for them to swim without the aid of that fishing vessel that I showed.
01:20Are we moving fast?
01:28Can we proceed to show the video, please, as part of the opening statement?
01:34Or if it's not possible now, Sen. Rafi, maybe in the part of your question later.
01:43Today, Madam Chair, with the help of our resource speakers from the Coast Guard, Immigration, CAAP, and other relevant agencies,
01:52I would like to identify the weak points in our border control.
01:56Madam Chair, our country's borders is very complicated.
01:59Every shoreline could serve as an exit point.
02:04And this makes the Philippines a potential hub for transnational crimes.
02:09We have to review our border control and transportation regulations policies.
02:14There is no problem with commercial modes of transportation.
02:17Because the criminal is not going to ride an MRT.
02:21Usually, it's his own motorcycle or heavily tainted van.
02:25It's the same with sea and air transport.
02:28The criminal who has money has a different way of traveling.
02:32On another matter, Madam Chair, I would like also for us to look into the process and protocol in extracting fugitives in our country.
02:41This is not our first fugitive extraction.
02:43We have undergone this process before.
02:46But what was the reason why there seemed to be a different protocol with Alice Go'o's extraction?
02:53Usec Raul Vasquez said that it was just an immigration-to-immigration issue.
03:00Alice Go'o, like Sheila Go'o and Cassandra Ong, was arrested by the Indonesian authorities.
03:06Because of an immigration violation.
03:09Because of two passports and improper entry documents.
03:14That was the process that was followed because it's fast, efficient, and least expensive.
03:20Because it's just immigration-to-immigration.
03:24Exclusion removal on their side and extraction on our side.
03:29In fact, for the two ladies, Sheila Go'o and Cassandra Ong,
03:33there was just two immigration officers and two NBI officers who processed their extraction and they took a regular commercial flight.
03:44What was the thought process behind the alternate protocol in the case of Alice Go'o?
03:50The Senate arrest order was issued prior to the warrant issued by the KAPAS, KAPAS-Tarlac RTC.
03:58I want this to be clarified in this hearing.
04:00And finally, was the dismissal of Alice Go'o from being mayor a scheme for the filing of the case in KAPAS-Tarlac?
04:07Would it not be better if this case was filed in a court outside the jurisdiction of Tarlac, which Alice Go'o treated as her playground?
04:17Of course, we assume that there is a regularity in our court processes.
04:23But maybe we should realign our policies to ensure that it cannot be manipulated.
04:28Because, let's face it, if we learned something from the story of Alice Go'o,
04:33as long as you have money, nothing is impossible.
04:37Thank you, Madam Chair.
04:38Thank you also, Sen. Rafi.
04:40If there are no other opening statements, may I request COMSEC to acknowledge our resource persons
04:49and then administer the oath to those who have not yet attended.
05:20We have Assistant Solicitor General James Kondangan.
05:26State Solicitor June Abigail de la Cruz.
05:31Then from the Philippine National Police, we have Police Colonel Isagani Fetasanan.
05:37Then we have, still from the Philippine National Police, CIDG, Police Brigadier General Raul Takaka.
05:52Then from Police Colonel J. Di Maandal.
06:02From the Department of Information and Communications Technology,
06:07we have Maricar Magbili.
06:17From the Department of Foreign Affairs, we have Director Lailani Feliciano.
06:27Director Von Ryan Pangwi.
06:30Then from the Department of Interior and Local Government, we have Assistant Secretary Romeo Benitez.
06:40From the Department of Transportation, we have ASEC Enrique Antonio Esquivel.
06:47From the Presidential Anti-Organized Crime Commission, we have Undersecretary Gilberto Cruz.
06:55We have Director Winston John Cashel.
06:58Then from the Interagency Council Against Trafficking, we have Undersecretary Nicholas Felix T.
07:07From the Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corporation, we have a Chairperson, Mr. Alejandro Tenko.
07:16Together with General Raul Villanueva,
07:20Attorney Josephine Pagdanganan,
07:23Attorney Aliyah Kumagul.
07:26Then from the Anti-Money Laundering Council, we have Attorney Adrian Arpon.
07:35We have Attorney Arnold Cabanglit.
07:40From the Bureau of Internal Revenue, we have Attorney Iskraton Orculio.
07:48Attorney Edgar Alan Reyes.
07:51Then from the Bureau of Immigration, we have Commissioner Norman Tancinco.
07:59Together with Fortunato Manahan, Jr.
08:03Attorney Arvin Cesar Santos.
08:07From the Immigration Regulations Division, we have Chief Rogelio Guevara, Jr.
08:15From the National Bureau of Investigation, we have Judge Jaime Santiago.
08:21Then from the Philippine Statistic Authority, we have Engineer Marisa Grande.
08:29We have Attorney Eliezer Ambatali.
08:33From the Manila International Airport Authority, we have the General Manager, Mr. Eric Jose C. Ines.
08:43From the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines, we have Attorney Roberto Martin Venaventura.
08:49From the Maritime Industry Authority, we have Attorney Mary Margaret Espino.
08:58Then from the Philippine Coast Guard, we have Vice Admiral Rolando Lizor Ponsalan, Jr.
09:07We have Captain Oliver Tanseco.
09:12We have Captain Jabelino Sali.
09:16We have Commander Maria Gloria Bermudo Salcedo.
09:26And then we have Bernadette Gutierrez.
09:31From the Philippine Navy, we have Rear Admiral Jose Maria Ambrosio Espeleta.
09:39Then Captain Marco Buena.
09:43We have Captain Isilito Lagadia, Jr.
09:47From the Securities and Exchange Commission, we have Attorney Gerardo F. Del Rosario.
09:53Then we have Ms. Cheryl Medina, the Executive Assistant of Mayor Kalugay.
10:03Then we have Mr. Jose Antonio T. Feliciano, the former mayor of Bambantarloc.
10:09Then we have Ms. Alice Guo, alias Gua Hapin.
10:14Then Ms. Sheila Guo, alias Sangmir.
10:18Then we have Attorney Elmer Galicia.
10:21Attorney Stephan Eldavid.
10:25Ms. Rosaline Baterna, the Corporate Secretary of Lackey South 99.
10:31That's all, Madam Chair.
10:34We also invited Mayor Kalugay, but he sent his letter of regrets.
10:42This is the second time that Mayor Kalugay is absent.
10:47When they were first invited by the committee, they said that they have a stomach ache.
10:53This is the second inability to honor the invitation of the committee.
10:58At the proper time, I will move now that we issue a subpoena, Madam Chair, to this Mayor, Mayor Kalugay.
11:12Madam Chair of Aswal Pangasinan.
11:15So move, Madam Chair.
11:17Yes, the Chair.
11:19Thank you very much.
11:21On the motion of Sen. Joel, as seconded by the Senate President Pro Tempore, Sen. Gingoy.
11:26The Chair rules that the committee issue a subpoena for the good Mayor.
11:32They need to move on to the next hearing.
11:35Madam Chair, may I also ask if we were able to invite the Secretary of Mayor Kalugay, a certain Cherry, which is here.
11:45Thank you, Madam Chair.
11:47Thank you, Sen. Joel.
11:49Also, Comsec, I heard the name Cassandra Leong.
11:53Is she here again?
11:56Or is she already here with us?
11:58Madam Chair, she is still at the hospital.
12:03But we sent a letter to the Speaker requesting the presence of Ms. Cassandra Leong here.
12:10But there's no reply from the office of the Speaker.
12:14Well, the committee hopes that there will be a reply forthcoming from the office of the Speaker.
12:19There's a reply.
12:21If I may read.
12:23This is a request of your committee to allow Ms. Catherine Cassandra Leong to attend the public hearing on September 9, 2024 at the Senate.
12:33Please know that this request has been approved by the Joint Justice Committee.
12:37However, please be informed that Ms. Leong is still confined at the hospital in Taguig.
12:43Our latest update is that she may be discharged from confinement either tonight or Tuesday, tomorrow.
12:50That's good to know, Comsec.
12:52And thank you for the reply from the office of the Speaker.
12:55We have that in writing, not just on the cell phone.
12:59Okay.
13:01And it's right that she will be discharged tonight.
13:05Because actually, what we know is that last time, on Thursday, she was only allowed to rest for 2 to 3 days by the doctor of the House.
13:11So she should really be here at the next hearing.
13:14Yes, Senator Weld.
13:16Yes, Madam Chair.
13:18Following the opening statements a while ago of Senator Raffey, and I think it's very important that we set the record straight
13:24when it comes to the contempt powers of the Senate, the jurisdiction, and the pending court cases.
13:32And I can see two brilliant legal luminaries here in this August chamber.
13:39Madam Chair, just for the record and for the sake of clarification,
13:43is it correct that Ms. Alice Guo is still under contempt for her failure to attend the two hearings
13:50of this Senate committee, June 26 and July 10 hearings?
13:54Is that an affirmative, Madam Chair?
13:57That is correct, Sen. Joel.
13:59Alice Guo, or Guo Huaping, is still subject to the citation of contempt of this committee and the Senate.
14:05So this is still live, Madam Chair.
14:08Second, the jurisdiction.
14:10May we know the committee's position as to the jurisdiction and the period of imprisonment
14:17under the inherent contempt powers of the Senate, Madam Chair?
14:22Sen. Joel, those are actually among the questions that not only the Chair,
14:27but I'm sure the colleagues will be raising during this hearing.
14:30And by the end of the hearing,
14:32I would really like the Chair and the committee to form a ruling
14:37regarding the importance of this discussion
14:39because it is very important to the committee and to the entire Senate
14:43that the powers and rulings of the Senate are respected by the resource persons.
14:51In the same way, we give equal respect to the co-equal branches of government.
14:56Before the Chair asks the COMSEC to administer the oath to our resource persons,
15:04I will call on the Majority Leader,
15:07and then we will proceed to the administering of the oath.
15:10Yes, Sen. Francis?
15:12Madam Chair, good morning.
15:14Germane, to the statement given by Sen. Joel Villanueva,
15:18at the proper time,
15:20at the proper time, later,
15:22I will file a motion
15:25directing this committee
15:28to take cognizance of Ms. Alice Goh
15:32and to stop here in the Senate.
15:38Madam Chair, I have with me bags of jurisprudence to back up my claim.
15:44Thank you very much, Majority Leader.
15:47The Chair will welcome that motion at the proper time.
15:50Madam Chair, I still have some...
15:52Rule on it accordingly.
15:54Yes, Sen. Joel?
15:56Thank you very much, Madam Chair,
15:58and I'd like to thank our Majority Leader for raising that up
16:01because that is precisely what we wanted to tackle, Madam Chair,
16:06because let me just put into the records of this August Chamber
16:09the landmark case of Arnold v. Nazareno.
16:13This is a landmark case.
16:15It was stated that obedience to its process may be enforced by the Senate Committee
16:20with the subject investigation
16:22before it was within the range of legitimate legislative inquiry.
16:27Accordingly, Madam Chair, as you mentioned,
16:29our contempt citation against Alice Goh is live.
16:35As long as there is legitimate legislative inquiry,
16:38then the inherent power of contempt by the Senate may be properly exercised.
16:42Conversely, Madam Chair,
16:44once the legislative inquiry concludes,
16:47the exercise of the inherent power of contempt ceases
16:50and there is no more genuine necessity to penalize the detained witness.
16:55I was about to ask that question, Madam Chair,
16:57before the Majority Leader made that statement of his intention,
17:02and it's also the intention of this representation to make a motion, Madam Chair,
17:08because the question will be,
17:10will Ms. Goh's presence here today not interfere with her pending cases in court?
17:17I would say no,
17:19and that is the position of this humble representation
17:22and we wanted also to know the position of this committee.
17:27Madam Chair, I don't think that the mere filing of a criminal complaint before a court
17:34should not automatically bar the conduct of legislative investigation.
17:39And Senator Gingoy already knows this,
17:41because Regis Romero II vs. Senator Gingoy Estrada,
17:45the one who was included in the decision,
17:48the power of legislative inquiry cannot be made subordinate
17:53to a criminal or administrative investigation.
17:56And so I remain steadfast with that position, Madam Chair,
18:02and let me place it into the records that it should not,
18:05that we have jurisdiction, Madam Chair,
18:09considering also that we were the first one who issued the warrant of arrest, Madam Chair.
18:13And last but not the least, before we start,
18:15I know everyone wanted to ask questions,
18:17I wanted to raise this,
18:19and considering that we have Senator Francis Tolentino
18:21and Senator Rococo Pimentel with us here today,
18:24if you look at RA number 100660,
18:29this is an act strengthening further
18:31the functional and structural organization of the Sandigan Bayan,
18:35further amending Presidential Decree number 1606,
18:40it states there, Madam Chair,
18:43section,
18:48what's that particular section?
18:51Section 5, if I'm not mistaken, Madam Chair,
18:54that the regional trial court
18:58shall have exclusive original jurisdiction
19:00where the information does not allege any damage
19:04to the government or any bribery,
19:06letter B, alleges damage to the government
19:09or bribery arising
19:11from the same closely related transactions
19:14or acts in amount not exceeding to 1 million pesos.
19:18So that's what happened.
19:20But, Madam Chair,
19:22it should not be the Kapas Regional Trial Court,
19:26but a different court should handle the case of Ms. Alice.
19:31Under Republic Act number 100660,
19:35Madam Chair,
19:37it states there that cases,
19:39and we talk about it on the sidelines
19:41with our minority leader,
19:43it says there,
19:45cases falling under the jurisdiction
19:47of the regional trial court,
19:49under this section,
19:51shall be tried in a judicial region
19:53other than where the official holds office.
19:57So I submit to the wisdom of this committee
20:00and again wanted to put that into the records.
20:03Thank you, Madam Chair.
20:05Thank you also, Sen. Joel.
20:07Of course, that is a substantive question already.
20:09So the question about the criminal jurisdiction
20:12will surely be discussed later in this hearing.
20:16But the predicates laid out for the motion
20:22that Majority Leader Sen. Francis and Sen. Joel will issue later,
20:26and as I said earlier,
20:28because the Senate was the first to issue a warrant
20:32under Alice Guo
20:34and triggered manhunt for her,
20:37the Chair will welcome
20:39that motion.
20:41And whatever will be the ruling of the Chair,
20:43it will be coordinated
20:45and it will be coordinated
20:47if this comes to the court
20:49which has jurisdiction
20:51of her detention at the moment.
20:54So thank you very much, everyone,
20:56for this first round of exchanges.
21:00Comsec, please ask those who have not yet asked.
21:04May I request those who have not taken their oath
21:06during the previous hearings
21:09to please stand up, raise your right hand,
21:11and repeat after me.
21:16I, please take your name,
21:19do solemnly swear
21:22that I will tell the truth,
21:25the whole truth,
21:27and nothing but the truth,
21:29to this committee.
21:33You may now take your seat.
21:35Thank you, Comsec.
21:37Ms. Sheila, I noticed that you took your oath again.
21:40I hope that is not necessary
21:42because you took your oath earlier.
21:44But you remain under oath,
21:46so that is fine.
21:48All right.
21:50So I will start with the questions for Ms. Alice.
21:52So after months of evading the Senate,
21:55you are now here.
21:57Please answer completely
21:59and truthfully to our committee
22:01because our committee
22:03treats those
22:05who tell the truth
22:07and show respect
22:09to our committee
22:11and to the Senate.
22:13Do you understand that, Ms. Alice?
22:15Yes, Madam Chair.
22:17All right.
22:19So, can you finally confirm
22:21before this committee
22:23that you are Guo Hua Ping?
22:25And before you invoke
22:27the right against self-incrimination,
22:30you did not file
22:31your late registration
22:33of live birth, right?
22:35So, you are not incriminating yourself.
22:37So, are you Guo Hua Ping?
22:41Madam Chair,
22:43there are cases that were filed
22:45to me in court
22:47so I cannot answer them
22:49to you now.
22:51I don't think my question
22:53has anything to do
22:55with your case,
22:57especially that there is evidence
22:59that the NBI
23:01is comparing
23:03the fingerprints of Guo Hua Ping
23:05and your fingerprints as Alice Guo
23:07and they both said
23:09they are the same person.
23:11So, for your own sake
23:13and for the sake of our committee,
23:15just one last time
23:17on this very simple
23:19fundamental question,
23:21are you Guo Hua Ping?
23:23Madam Chair,
23:25I am not confirming
23:27and there are cases
23:29that were filed to me
23:31in court.
23:33Madam Chair,
23:35I am not going to invoke
23:37or raise a point of order
23:39but may I invoke
23:41section 19 of our Senate rules
23:43which states the privilege
23:45against self-incrimination.
23:47A witness can only invoke
23:49his right or her right
23:51to self-incrimination
23:53only when a question
23:55which tends to elicit
23:57an answer that will incriminate
23:59him or her
24:01is referred to her.
24:03However, Madam Chair,
24:05the witness
24:07or the resource person
24:09may offer to answer
24:11any question in an executive session.
24:13So, I would just like
24:15to invoke that Madam Chair
24:17because the chairperson
24:19already stated that it will not
24:21in any way incriminate her
24:23Madam Chair,
24:24just to put that on record.
24:26Thank you, Sen. Joel.
24:28Exactly.
24:29It will not incriminate
24:31a simple question
24:33of who you are.
24:35Unless we ask for
24:37an executive session,
24:39we will move
24:41to another room
24:43so that you can answer
24:45who you really are
24:47or the chair will ask
24:49all of these people
24:51to have an executive session.
24:53Before I proceed,
24:55I would just like to
24:57recognize the presence
24:59of Ms. Alice.
25:01I would like to remind you
25:03that according to the Supreme Court,
25:05in the case of Office of the Court Administrator vs. You,
25:09quote, the right to self-incrimination
25:11does not prohibit
25:13legitimate inquiry in non-criminal matters.
25:16So, the question of
25:18who you are,
25:20are you the one who is holding it?
25:22It is not a criminal matter.
25:24It is not something that can be cited
25:26as a case.
25:28It is a matter of
25:30the review of the committee.
25:32The Senate has a right to know
25:34who we are talking to.
25:36Is it a real person
25:38or someone else?
25:40The Senate has the right to ascertain
25:42who the resource persons are,
25:44who you say that you are.
25:46Let me rephrase.
25:48Do you have something to say at this point,
25:50Ms. Alice?
25:52Yes, Madam Chair.
25:54I am Alice Guo.
25:56You are the real Guo Huaping.
25:58It is not just the committee
26:00who came to this conclusion.
26:02It is the NBI itself
26:04and another agency.
26:06If you insist not to answer
26:08if you are Guo Huaping,
26:10let me rephrase my question.
26:12Your father is Guo Jiangzhong
26:14and your mother is Lin Wenyi.
26:17Is that correct?
26:19My father is Guo Jiangzhong,
26:21Madam Chair.
26:23And your mother?
26:24Ms. Alice,
26:26you are reversing what you said
26:28in a previous hearing.
26:30You are listing this bank document
26:32because this is your bank document.
26:34You listed here
26:36as your mother, Lin Wenyi.
26:38So, it is reversed.
26:40You falsified
26:42the bank document you submitted
26:44when you said that
26:46your mother is not Lin Wenyi.
26:48You were born in China,
26:50not in Tarlac.
26:52Is that correct?
26:54No, I was born in Tarlac,
26:56Madam Chair.
26:58Your childhood,
27:00from 0 to 12 years old,
27:02is in China, is that correct?
27:04That is why you cannot remember
27:06or tell us
27:08the memory of your childhood in Tarlac,
27:10right?
27:12Yes, and Lauren,
27:14for one related question.
27:16I know this is your opening statement.
27:18He passed away
27:20but it is clear that he is lying
27:22about where he was born.
27:24In his opening statement,
27:26he is already lying.
27:28We all know that there are government agencies
27:30that gave birth certificates
27:32and they admitted
27:34to PSA
27:36in remote areas
27:38and he was with them.
27:40So, in the beginning,
27:42he insisted that he was forced
27:44to be born in Tarlac.
27:46No one would believe that.
27:48We already know that.
27:50So, I'm just putting that on record.
27:52How can we extract the truth
27:54if he is already lying?
27:56Thank you, Sen. Lauren.
27:58So, thank you.
28:00And the majority leader
28:02and Sen. Joel
28:04are more prepared
28:06after proper time.
28:07Yes, Sen. Rafi,
28:09for one related question.
28:11On May 22,
28:13this year,
28:15I asked Alice Go,
28:17if she is willing to undergo
28:19the eye detector test.
28:21Until now,
28:23we have not undergone
28:25the eye detector test
28:27to find out
28:29what you said
28:31that we will report
28:33to our experts.
28:34Are you still willing?
28:36Ms. Alice.
28:38Madam Chair,
28:40can I consult first?
28:42Who will you consult?
28:44I will consult a lawyer first.
28:46Alright, you can do that
28:48during this hearing.
28:50We will return to that question
28:51Obviously,
28:53in the Senate,
28:55there is still
28:57no consensus
28:59to speak the truth
29:01to us, Madam Chair.
29:03Your simple question earlier,
29:05Madam Chair,
29:06is it Gua Gua Ping?
29:08Even if he lied,
29:10he did not answer,
29:12whatever he said to us,
29:14Madam Chair,
29:16the NBI itself
29:18had fingerprints
29:20of Alice Go
29:22and Chinese National Gua Gua Ping
29:24and a match was established
29:26and the same person
29:28was Gua Gua Ping
29:30and Alice Go.
29:32So the question is,
29:34Alice,
29:36do you believe
29:38in the match
29:40in the fingerprints
29:42that match
29:44that was made by the NBI
29:46that you, Gua Gua Ping
29:48and Alice Go
29:50made together?
29:52Ms. Alice?
29:54Madam Chair,
29:56honestly,
29:58I do not know how it happened
30:00but I know that I am Alice Go.
30:02And I am sorry
30:04if you do not believe me.
30:06As much as possible,
30:08I would like to tell you
30:10and all of you
30:12and for your questions
30:14later,
30:16I will take into consideration
30:18my own safety.
30:20I will tell you
30:22about your safety later.
30:24But
30:26it also means
30:28that all of our questions
30:30because the time is short
30:32and your window of opportunity is closed,
30:34all of our questions
30:36are for you to tell the truth
30:38and do not lie to this committee.
30:40Madam Chair,
30:42short interjection.
30:44Yes, Senator Roy,
30:46for one related question.
30:48May I ask from the Chair
30:50if there is a safety consideration
30:52so that we are clear?
30:54Because when it comes to safety,
30:56we do not know what safety he is talking about.
30:58If there is someone
31:00who is interested in his life
31:02that is a big syndicate
31:04that he will be silenced
31:06or what is the safety
31:08that he is talking about, Madam Chair?
31:10Ms. Alice,
31:12I will also ask you that later.
31:14But briefly,
31:16start answering Senator Roy's question.
31:18What is the safety that you are talking about?
31:20It is about my personal safety.
31:22Okay.
31:24What is that?
31:26What safety?
31:28What threat do you see?
31:30So that we can help you.
31:32Okay.
31:33There is a death threat.
31:35Who is the threat?
31:37I will not discuss this in public.
31:41Why don't you discuss it in public?
31:43The people ought to know about it.
31:45There is a death threat.
31:47Who is in control of your life?
31:48If you don't want to answer now,
31:50Ms. Alice,
31:52I cannot avoid that question.
31:54I will also ask you that.
31:56Madam Chair,
31:58I don't have a plan
32:00to avoid the question.
32:02However,
32:04there is a safety concern
32:06for me.
32:08A security concern.
32:10A death threat that was given to me.
32:12That is why I cannot discuss it in public.
32:14Madam Chair.
32:16Yes.
32:18SP Pro Temp.
32:20Ms. Alice,
32:22when you met Secretary Avalos,
32:24the first thing you said to Secretary Avalos
32:26was to help me with the death threat.
32:28Who is in control of your life?
32:31Answer it directly, Ms. Alice.
32:34Yes.
32:36Sen, I am sorry.
32:38I cannot discuss it in public
32:40because I have a safety problem.
32:42Madam Chair,
32:44that answer is unacceptable.
32:46It is unacceptable, Sen Joel.
32:48We will answer it later.
32:50The committee is not in agreement with his safety.
32:52Madam Chair,
32:54you are just making a fool of us.
32:56You will make a fool of us after you have beaten us.
32:58You will answer us like that
33:00when you beat us.
33:02When you beat us,
33:04you will say that you have a death threat
33:06but you cannot say where your death threat came from.
33:08You cannot say if it is in the Philippines or abroad.
33:10Ms. Alice, I am reminding you,
33:12you never raised security concerns to the committee before.
33:14You were just arrested and transferred here.
33:16I will still ask you
33:18about the death threats
33:20that we have just heard.
33:22Let me go back first.
33:24The prejudicial question for us is
33:26your identity.
33:28You entered the country as Guohuaping
33:30in 2003, correct?
33:32You were only 12 or 13 years old back then, correct?
33:36Madam Chair,
33:38I do not have a record of that.
33:40Oh, speaking of records,
33:42have you ever had a Chinese passport?
33:44As far as I know, Madam Chair,
33:46I have a Filipino passport.
33:48Filipino passport?
33:50As far as we know,
33:52you had a Chinese passport,
33:54but you did not renew it.
33:56It lapsed.
33:58So, Alice Guohuaping,
34:00are you Filipino?
34:03Yes, I am Filipino, Madam Chair.
34:06Yes, and Lauren,
34:08for one related question.
34:10Since you said
34:12that she has a Philippine passport,
34:16let us be fair.
34:18Who gave her a Philippine passport?
34:20Who issued her a Philippine birth certificate?
34:24If you said that,
34:26we can protect you.
34:28If you told the truth,
34:30how did you become Filipino?
34:32How did you get a passport?
34:34Then, you are answering us properly.
34:36We can perhaps protect you.
34:38But if you keep on lying to us,
34:40you will sink in a web of lies.
34:42We cannot protect you
34:43from the syndicates that are after you.
34:46I suggest to answer that,
34:48how did she get her Philippine birth certificate
34:51from the PSA or the Satellite Office
34:54and how she acquired her Philippine passport
34:56from the DFA?
34:58We have to find out the syndicates
35:00in the government agencies.
35:02For the record,
35:04and this came out
35:06in the previous hearings,
35:08there was a birth certificate
35:10that was obtained through
35:12the Satellite Registration of Live Birth
35:14but the PSA itself,
35:16I'm sure that Engineer Grande
35:18and Engineer Mariza will confirm this later,
35:20the PSA itself said that
35:22the birth certificate is irregular.
35:24That's why they lied to the
35:26Office of the Solicitor General
35:28to cancel it.
35:30But apparently,
35:32while she was still holding
35:34that irregular birth certificate,
35:36she used it to obtain her Filipino passport.
35:38But as far as our committee knows,
35:40Ms. Alice,
35:42you obtained a Chinese passport.
35:44For all these questions so far,
35:46why don't you want to answer?
35:48There is no self-incriminating
35:50in these questions.
35:52You are only being asked,
35:54in fact,
35:56about your previous answers
35:58to the committee.
36:00The previous documents
36:02that you submitted to the banks
36:04that we obtained.
36:06So please stop being evasive.
36:08Stop being evasive.
36:10We will now flash
36:12the Dactyloscopy Report
36:14of the NBI.
36:16Result of examination
36:18after a thorough examination
36:20and analysis,
36:22fingerprints of Guohuaping Ylin
36:24and fingerprints of Guohuaping Alice Ileal
36:26were found identical.
36:28This is an opinion of the NBI
36:30in view of the foregoing.
36:32Fingerprints of Guohuaping Ylin
36:34and fingerprints of Guohuaping Alice Ileal
36:36were affixed by one
36:38and the same person.
36:40That was my first question
36:42to you,
36:44but you still lied.
36:47Now,
36:49once and for all,
36:51Alice Guo,
36:53Alice Guo Huaping,
36:55I am giving you the opportunity
36:57to explain why you should not
36:59be cited in contempt
37:01for lying
37:03before this committee
37:05and for providing
37:07untruthful and evasive
37:08testimony.
37:10Huh, Ms. Alice?
37:12Madam Chair,
37:14I grew up,
37:16I know I am a Filipino.
37:18One minute suspension.
37:20I would like to ask
37:22a quick,
37:24Sen Rafi,
37:26if you will allow,
37:28I request you and all the colleagues
37:30to have a quick discussion
37:32with our Senators,
37:34if possible.
37:36We are suspended for
37:38one minute.
37:40Yes, Sen Rafi.
37:42I remember in the previous hearings
37:44of your committee,
37:46the name was mentioned,
37:48John Patrick Samson,
37:50who is supposed to be a fixer
37:52who helped to facilitate
37:54the obtaining of late registration,
37:56birth certificate,
37:58and passport of Ms. Alice Guo.
38:00Why did we not invite her?
38:02Thank you, Sen Rafi.
38:04Actually,
38:06we will invite
38:08John Patrick Samson
38:10in the next hearing.
38:12This is part of my question
38:14to our other resource person.
38:16Madam Chair,
38:18Yes, please.
38:20Last now and before we suspend
38:22for a minute.
38:24In the last hearing,
38:26Sheila Guo wrote a paper
38:28that she said,
38:30Secretary,
38:32not in the Executive Session,
38:34so can there be a divulge
38:35of those two names?
38:37But there is already
38:39one related resource person
38:41in those two names
38:43who is here today
38:45and we will surely ask him.
38:47Thank you, Madam Chair.
38:49I know we are going to suspend
38:51the deliberation
38:53and I'm already anticipating
38:55what is going to happen
38:57when we suspend the deliberation.
38:59And I'm just giving one chance
39:01again to Alice, Madam Chair,
39:03because this will help
39:05me decide
39:07as we suspend
39:09the hearing today
39:11to talk about your faith
39:13as a resource person.
39:15If it is true,
39:17Miss Alice,
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