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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with me, Kashif Abbasi.
00:03It seems that our political system is going through a tough phase.
00:09We use the word escalation ladder a lot, especially when relations between two powers,
00:14that is, between two countries, are strained.
00:18And after one event, we say escalation ladder,
00:21that is, we are climbing such a ladder that escalation is taking place.
00:24Gradually, things are escalating, as they say in Punjabi.
00:27And all this happened after the Sangjani Jalsa.
00:29Gandapur's Chief Minister, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
00:32had a tough speech.
00:34And after that speech, a series of reactions began.
00:37FIRs were filed against the MNAs, who were from Tehreek-e-Insaf.
00:42Strange and strange allegations were put in it.
00:45The allegation on everyone is that someone made the police a drug dealer,
00:49someone put a gun on the wrist, someone took something from the police.
00:53All such FIRs were filed.
00:55Arrests began in the evening.
00:58On the basis of these FIRs.
01:00Those who came outside the assembly, were arrested in the beginning.
01:03Then at night, they entered the assembly and arrested the MNAs of Tehreek-e-Insaf.
01:08This was a big violation.
01:11Because in our country, the movement, as much as it is about 9th May,
01:15because they entered somewhere,
01:18politicians are watching it,
01:20a few politicians are watching it,
01:23who are not only related to Tehreek-e-Insaf,
01:25other people also see it as a serious violation.
01:29That there has been a breach of the Parliament House.
01:32How did this happen?
01:34The government, at least to the extent of the speaker,
01:37is denying that I did not know.
01:39But sitting here,
01:41Chief Whip of Muslim League Noon, Dr. Tariq Fazal Chaudhary,
01:44was informed by the speaker.
01:46And the same thing was said by IG Punjab.
01:48But after these arrests, a bigger news came.
01:51What was the news?
01:53Where is Ali Ameen Ghandapur?
01:55Chief Minister Khaybar Pakhtunkhwa is not being contacted.
01:58And many hours have passed.
02:00And in this excitement,
02:02that whole night,
02:04till the next wee hours of the night,
02:06this conversation was going on,
02:08that where is Chief Minister Ali Ameen Ghandapur?
02:10He came.
02:12What were the first few steps taken?
02:14He called a party meeting.
02:16He called a meeting of KP Assembly.
02:18His speeches, which we have been hearing for 2-3 days,
02:20are the toughest speeches.
02:22There are talks of martial law.
02:24Very tough speeches are being made.
02:26When Ali Ameen Ghandapur himself came to give a speech,
02:29I will tell you his mood.
02:31What he said first,
02:33I am the Chief Minister of this province.
02:35There are 7 FIRs in this district.
02:37Listen to the kind of thing he said,
02:39when he called the bar at night.
02:41The Chief Minister of a province has been saying for 6 months,
02:43that there are 7 FIRs in my district in an hour.
02:45And I am not present there.
02:47Show me my photo. Show me my video.
02:49No one is listening.
02:51I am your father's servant.
02:53I am your father's employee.
02:55I am your Muzara.
02:57I am a citizen of Pakistan.
02:59You will have to answer me.
03:01If you don't answer me,
03:03I will speak. I will ask.
03:05I will speak louder.
03:07I will raise my voice.
03:09I will come out.
03:11And these are the toughest statements.
03:13You heard him.
03:15He is someone's father's employee.
03:17Again, as I am saying,
03:19this was not a Jalsa.
03:21This was not a Jalsa.
03:23This was not a Jalsa.
03:25After that,
03:27he gave a statement on Afghanistan.
03:29It was a serious statement.
03:31Generally,
03:33we are a part of a federation.
03:35Our 4 provinces and Wafaa are a federation.
03:37The confederation is even more loose.
03:39Even in that, the matter of foreign policy,
03:41the centre looks at it.
03:43The provinces don't look at it.
03:45Here he said,
03:47What did he say? Listen.
04:11If someone likes it, then good.
04:13I think we missed this.
04:15If you don't like it, then very good.
04:17This is what Ali Amin Ghandapur
04:19said.
04:21Maulana Fazlur Mahan
04:23said very harsh things.
04:25He took a very harsh position
04:27on the Parliament's breach.
04:29Don't force them.
04:31Don't go against the constitution.
04:33Don't go against morals.
04:35Don't ruin the dignity of the Parliament.
04:37We will not speak against them.
04:39I promise you.
04:41But my followers were not allowed
04:43to do such things.
04:45This is what Maulana said.
04:47One more thing he made clear.
04:49He said, I want to clear my position.
04:51I am the opposition.
04:53I will continue to play the role of the opposition.
04:59I am the opposition.
05:01I will continue to play the role of the opposition.
05:03And we will never
05:05put the foundation of a wrong tradition in this country.
05:07Salman Akram Raja
05:09is present with us. He is the Secretary General
05:11of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf. Salman Raja, thank you very much.
05:13Today you went to meet Imran Khan.
05:15After that, you announced
05:17to postpone yesterday's protest.
05:19What is Mr. Khan saying?
05:21What does he say?
05:23What is today's latest update?
05:25Look, Mr. Khan is very clear.
05:27I think his attitude is the same
05:29as that of a democratic leader.
05:31He is saying that
05:33we are only demanding
05:35that the law and the constitution
05:37be abolished in this country.
05:39The law and the constitution
05:41are no longer in force in this country.
05:43Whenever you want,
05:45you enter people's homes,
05:47kidnap their daughters and wives.
05:49The matter of Sadullah Baloch is in front of you.
05:51He has to be presented in the evening.
05:53When a person's wife and daughter are up,
05:55he is presented in the evening
05:57and taken away.
05:59It has been 24 hours now.
06:01No one knows where Sadullah Baloch is.
06:03What is happening in this country?
06:05Despite all this,
06:07we will not be afraid.
06:09We will not back down.
06:11We are telling you
06:13to let the space of democracy
06:15flourish in this country.
06:17You have forced a lot
06:19before the 9th.
06:21Even after the 9th,
06:23whatever you could do,
06:25you did.
06:27After that, you used the courts.
06:29We say,
06:31the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
06:33did not support us.
06:35The pressure to move forward
06:37was proven to be beneficial.
06:39All the petitions that we filed
06:41for the level playing field,
06:43what happened to us,
06:45what happened to our symbol,
06:47after the election,
06:49none of our petitions were heard.
06:51All of this is happening
06:53in your favour.
06:55Despite all of this,
06:57we are still standing.
06:59Our existence is not just
07:01not ending,
07:03it is increasing.
07:05You said yesterday
07:07that our MNA has been
07:09picked up.
07:11We will protest.
07:13We had to do that.
07:15When we spoke to Mr. Khan today,
07:17he said that we are going to
07:19hold a Jalsa in Lahore.
07:21We will do everything there.
07:23You should focus on that.
07:25When Mr. Khan wanted
07:27to hold a big Jalsa,
07:29he used to do such activities.
07:31I have seen him.
07:33We have a clear position
07:35that we are in a protest mode.
07:37We will not allow
07:39the law and the constitution
07:41to be violated in this country.
07:43The way the constitution
07:45is being reformed,
07:47this is not the way
07:49the constitution is being reformed.
07:51We will keep reminding people,
07:53whether they are the judges
07:55or the Chief Justice,
07:57that this is the basis
07:59on which you want to expand
08:01your term of office.
08:03You want the constitution
08:05to be reformed.
08:07You want to expand
08:09everyone's term of office.
08:11We will tell everyone
08:13that this is not the way.
08:15Khudara, take a nap.
08:17Khudara, keep your dignity.
08:19Khudara, let the constitution be violated.
08:21This is not the way
08:23that you say that the parliament
08:25has reformed it.
08:27I will work for another three years.
08:29You should know
08:31what measures are being used
08:33to expand your term of office.
08:35We will keep reminding you.
08:37Everyone who wants to do it
08:39or who wants to benefit from it.
08:41But you know that
08:43the matter is being handled
08:45with great force.
08:47That is why we are reminding
08:49the conscience as well.
08:51We will remind the conscience
08:53of those people
08:55who want to benefit from it.
08:57Those who say that if everyone's
08:59term of office increases
09:01then I will also increase it.
09:03I will not have any objection.
09:05You should have an objection.
09:07You should blame your conscience.
09:09You should ask whose daughter
09:11was kidnapped?
09:13Why?
09:15Can't you just say that
09:17the constitution has been reformed
09:19and I got my term of office.
09:21You must remember that
09:23when the level playing field
09:25case was brought up,
09:27you said that you did not see it.
09:29You said that you did not hear
09:31about the pressure of the judges.
09:33Now we will try our best
09:35and I assure you that
09:37we will show and tell you
09:39that we will not sit at home
09:41out of fear.
09:43There is no reason for fear.
09:45I do not see anyone
09:47in this country who is afraid.
09:49They have done everything
09:51that they could have done.
09:53They have played all the cards.
09:55Now it is us.
09:57Arrest me.
09:59Arrest my daughters.
10:01Now we are ready for everything.
10:03No, no.
10:05You have already done it.
10:07Now we are only left with
10:09saying that mothers and sisters
10:11are everyone's responsibility.
10:13There is no shame.
10:15We have ruined everything.
10:17We have ruined our tradition
10:19that men keep fighting
10:21and women were not allowed to touch.
10:23I think those lines have been
10:25over in the last few years.
10:27Your party has also seen
10:29that you have arrested someone's
10:31sister and kidnapped her
10:33in front of her father.
10:35These are traditions that you have
10:37instilled in us.
10:39Everyone used to say that
10:41do not make such traditions
10:43that you will not be able
10:45to tolerate.
10:47It is obvious that I will not
10:49defend any such tradition.
10:51This is not a tradition.
10:53It is a different matter
10:55to arrest someone
10:57by filing an FIR
10:59or breaking the door
11:01and arresting a wife and daughter.
11:03You have made a fake case
11:05and filed an FIR
11:07and arrested someone
11:09by filing a case against a heroine.
11:11Absolutely right.
11:13You have seen the cases
11:15after Sangjani's Jalsa.
11:17Shoaib Shaheen took a pistol
11:19and Ghalashankov.
11:21Barrister Gauhar
11:23snatched the pistol from someone.
11:25I am very happy that
11:27Barrister Gauhar can be snatched.
11:29Asad Kaisar did not reach
11:31that far.
11:33He has never driven a car in his life.
11:35A case has been filed against him
11:37for trying to drive his car
11:39on police officers.
11:41A magistrate is being
11:43made to file an FIR.
11:45A magistrate who usually
11:47listens to people's cases
11:49and decides the lives of people
11:51has filed a fake FIR
11:53against the entire system.
11:55I think that everyone
11:57will be ashamed of themselves.
11:59I can see his anger.
12:01I think he is angry.
12:03He is not the normal Ali Amin
12:05whom we know
12:07and have seen him
12:09giving speeches.
12:11He gave a very
12:13harsh speech at the Jalsa.
12:15I have not seen
12:17such a speech
12:19in front of the
12:21controlled environment
12:23bar councils in the last 6 months.
12:25This is escalation ladder.
12:27No, this is not escalation.
12:29I expect that
12:31because of this speech
12:33every party will
12:35follow the rules
12:37of the law.
12:39No one has
12:41any intention
12:43to make foreign policy
12:45their own.
12:47Please translate this speech.
12:49It is happening that
12:51there is a riot in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
12:53in many areas.
12:55It is happening that
12:57there is a riot in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
12:59in many areas.
13:01The situation there
13:03is getting out of hand.
13:05Ali Amin is just saying
13:07that we will have to talk
13:09in Afghanistan.
13:11We will have to end
13:13the riots in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
13:15Sir, please understand
13:17that the state
13:19is giving us a different message.
13:21In the last 2 days,
13:2316 people have been killed
13:25by Taliban.
13:27The Taliban of Afghanistan
13:29are trying to stop TTP.
13:31There is a confrontation
13:33in which there is a fight.
13:35We are telling Afghanistan
13:37that we will come to your land
13:39and kill you if you don't stop them.
13:41And then we say that
13:43you are not stopping us.
13:45You are saying that we will
13:47tell them that we are KP.
13:49No, we are not saying that.
13:51I am not saying that.
13:53It will be within the scope
13:55of law and order.
13:57Only loyalty will use it.
13:59This is being discussed
14:01on a tribal level.
14:03It will not happen
14:05without the will of the state
14:07and the will of the loyal government.
14:09They have given a speech.
14:11They will not do it.
14:13I assure you that
14:15it will not be
14:17against the law and order.
14:19This is a tribal issue.
14:21A lot of things are happening
14:23on a tribal level.
14:25A lot of people were displaced
14:27and their lands and properties
14:29have been seized.
14:31They want to come back.
14:33This is on a tribal level.
14:35This has nothing to do
14:37with foreign policy or diplomacy.
14:39It will be done by loyalty.
14:41But if there can be
14:43clarification on a tribal level,
14:45then it should be done.
14:47A lot of things are happening
14:49in this country.
14:51You will have to
14:53look at all these things.
14:55What is being discussed
14:57and how the state
14:59is being looked at.
15:01You will have to solve
15:03the tribal issues
15:05on the same level.
15:07So there should be
15:09no worries.
15:11So you are saying
15:13that if a tribe
15:15does tribalism,
15:17then it is okay?
15:19Yes.
15:21So if a Punjabi
15:23does it with a Punjabi
15:25from India,
15:27I am asking you.
15:29It is not like that.
15:31A lot of people
15:33who live in
15:35Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
15:37are currently
15:39residing in Afghanistan.
15:41They are demanding
15:43the same thing
15:45as Ali Amin
15:47in Peshawar.
15:49So there can be
15:51such things.
15:53There should be
15:55no worries.
15:57Have you seen
15:59the strictness in
16:01Ali Amin's statements?
16:03There is strictness
16:05and truthfulness.
16:07But he was not
16:09telling the truth.
16:11He was not lying.
16:13He was just going to
16:15have a chat.
16:17He went to the
16:19Jalsa.
16:21He was with his
16:23Amla.
16:25He was a jammer.
16:27He was just going
16:29to have a chat.
16:31He had a chat
16:33and nothing else.
16:35He had reached
16:37Peshawar at 2.30 pm.
16:39I had a chat with him
16:41at 3 pm and 5 pm.
16:43I was with him
16:45when the sun rose.
16:47He was in a good
16:49condition.
16:51He told me everything.
16:53There was nothing
16:55wrong with him.
16:57He is like that.
16:59He is a good storyteller.
17:01I am sure you must have
17:03figured that out.
17:05He is a good storyteller.
17:07He spent 2.5 years
17:09at Lahore National
17:11College of Arts.
17:13He is a graduate of
17:15Lahore National
17:17College of Fashion.
17:19A lot of people will
17:21get to know about
17:23Ali Amin and the
17:25Lahore National
17:27College of Arts.
17:29Sometimes the impressions
17:31are not the whole story.
17:33We are not
17:35talking about the
17:37assembly meeting.
17:39We were talking about
17:41the non-declaration of
17:43martial law.
17:45We were talking about
17:47the allegations.
17:49It was not about that.
17:51He was not forced.
17:53It happened organically.
17:55You attacked our MNAs.
17:57You made false cases.
17:59You violated the
18:01sanctity of the parliament.
18:03It was about what you did
18:05with the parliament.
18:07What you did with our MNAs.
18:09What kind of cases you made.
18:11The people of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
18:13made a statement about
18:15what happened to them.
18:17Everyone told their story.
18:19How they were pressured.
18:21How they were broken.
18:23We will not let that happen.
18:25It is a good thing.
18:27In my opinion,
18:29there is a good addition
18:31if a non-democratic
18:33attitude is adopted
18:35with a politician
18:37then why not talk about it.
18:39Are you happy that
18:41a committee has been formed
18:43in which all the people are present?
18:45Why was this not possible earlier?
18:47You were repeatedly told
18:49that the day Imran Khan
18:51said that he will not talk
18:53to the establishment,
18:55the way for politicians
18:57to negotiate is open.
18:59The people of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
19:01want to progress the
19:03parliamentary and democratic
19:05traditions.
19:07If they say that
19:09we will not let this happen
19:11then the discussion will break.
19:13We are saying that
19:15the discussion will only be
19:17on one point that
19:19how to progress the
19:21constitution and democracy.
19:23The people who accused
19:25the establishment of
19:27a non-democratic system
19:29should know that
19:31our efforts are only
19:33to stabilize the
19:35constitutional and democratic
19:37system.
19:39We do not want any deal.
19:41You want to stabilize the
19:43constitutional and democratic
19:45system.
19:47This means that
19:49we should not hope
19:51that the things that happened
19:53during your government
19:55will not happen again.
19:57I assure you that
19:59if something like this
20:01happens to me,
20:03I will raise my voice.
20:05Why did you become
20:07the Secretary General?
20:09Do you know how many
20:11political statements
20:13you will have to make
20:15that you will not like?
20:17I will never go against
20:19my conscience.
20:21I have a close relationship
20:23with Mr. Sajid Javed.
20:25He is very close to me.
20:27Those things will be
20:29not accepted by me.
20:31We talked about everything.
20:33We talked about everything.
20:35I did not find anything
20:37without a conflict between
20:39me and him.
20:41Thank God,
20:43he clarified
20:45his stand on journalism.
20:47He did clarify his stand
20:49on journalism.
20:51We forget that only a limited amount of information reaches them.
20:56Listen, they have the most secure phone in the world.
20:59No, no, there is nothing like that.
21:01Khawaja sahab said that.
21:02If Khawaja sahab sends it, I will be very thankful to him.
21:05He has thirty ten phones.
21:06I will be very thankful to him.
21:07What can be more secure than this?
21:08Security is secure.
21:09So today he clarified that the journalists who were present there and the journalists
21:18who were present there and the journalists complained there.
21:20And he said, see, when I gave this statement, only their position was in front of me,
21:24the role of the army, I supported that position.
21:29The rest of Ali Amin's words were not in front of me.
21:32So he made it completely clear.
21:34So if you are told to say something harsh that is against your conscience,
21:38against your temperament, against your political outlook,
21:42will you do it because you are the Secretary General or not?
21:46And you will say, sir, I am going, I can't do it.
21:48Look, I don't see any point where there will be a discussion against my conscience.
21:55I don't see any such thing.
21:57What if there is?
21:58Look, no one should go against their conscience.
22:04I think this is everyone's first responsibility.
22:09I hope that this opportunity will not come.
22:13I assure you that this opportunity will not come.
22:15Let's take a break.
22:16Military trial, Lahore Jalsa.
22:19We talked a little bit about the constitutional amendment.
22:21Let's talk more about this.
22:22After all, with this constitutional amendment,
22:24I mean, there are many laws in the world,
22:26there is a way of judges, there is a way of regulation,
22:28that any of the top five, there are many things.
22:31Mr. Monana has also hinted at this.
22:33Mr. Monana, by saying something good,
22:35he says something in between,
22:36which makes me feel that he is not ready for this,
22:38but maybe I am ready for this.
22:40Do you remember the last time he talked about de facto,
22:42that you are the de facto government,
22:44so you will have to go with you.
22:45I mean, we will go.
22:46Even today he did not say this.
22:47He said that we are standing with the opposition,
22:49but at the same time he said that why the senior man?
22:53Why did the senior man become the Chief of the Army Staff?
22:55Why did the senior man become the Chief Justice?
22:58If he is paralyzed, if something like this happens,
23:01then we should look at the capability.
23:03So there is a way open,
23:04that let's not do this,
23:05the government should do this,
23:06that whoever wants to make it out of the top four or five.
23:09Do you think that Mr. Monana has opened this way for himself?
23:11After the break, let's talk about this.
23:14Let's take a break.
23:16Welcome back viewers.
23:17Salman Akram Raja is with us.
23:19Secretary General of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
23:22Mr. Salman, before this,
23:24let's start with the military trial.
23:27A big debate is going on.
23:29You have seen that a lot of hints have been given.
23:31Indications are being given.
23:32It is being said again and again,
23:33that if someone does this,
23:35then this can happen.
23:37If it happens, then?
23:40Look, this will make fun of you all over the world.
23:44You will present a Prime Minister in front of a Colonel Major,
23:49in a closed room, in a fort,
23:51and you will get him punished.
23:54We cannot tolerate this.
23:57You are making fun of Mr. Bhutto.
23:59After 20 years, you say that he has made a big mistake.
24:01He did not get justice.
24:02You will do that again.
24:04You have been doing this for 70 years.
24:06Nothing will happen.
24:07Look, the situation at the moment,
24:08I think,
24:09we are at such a point in history,
24:11that people are not understanding.
24:13There has been a real change in Pakistan.
24:16This is not that era.
24:17This is not 1977.
24:18This is not 1957.
24:20Today's Pakistan is different.
24:23You are sitting on a boiling lava.
24:26Do not let this lava erupt.
24:28Do not do such a thing.
24:29I think this is absolutely unnecessary.
24:31We have already won a case in the Supreme Court.
24:33A civilian's military trial cannot take place.
24:36The case is in front of the seven judges.
24:38Now they have said that the trial can take place,
24:40but the decision has not yet been made.
24:42To the same extent,
24:43but the legal status has to be decided in front of the seven judges.
24:48Suppose they say that a civilian's trial can take place.
24:51In my opinion,
24:52this will be a very wrong interpretation of our law.
24:55We have created a legal system for 30, 40, 50 years.
24:59Judiciary is separate.
25:00Executive is separate.
25:01Colonel Major is a part of the Executive.
25:04Ministry of Defense is a part of the Executive.
25:07If you say that…
25:08Then they will give you examples from the past.
25:10No, no.
25:11That was a legal amendment.
25:12That was a legal amendment.
25:14It also had a sunset clause.
25:15Yes, it had a sunset clause.
25:16After that,
25:17there was an increase of three years.
25:18Under that,
25:19those trials took place.
25:20And that legal amendment is now over.
25:22But in this country, sir…
25:24Well, you understand,
25:25it is a one-off action.
25:26De facto.
25:27It is a one-off action.
25:28It happens.
25:29I am trying to draw your attention to the political effects it will have
25:33and the impact it will have on the whole world.
25:37You will do a trial.
25:38In two weeks,
25:39you will say that Imran Khan was a mastermind
25:41and this and that.
25:42And in 2009,
25:43there was a rebellion
25:44and you will punish him.
25:45No one will believe that in the whole world.
25:47No one in Pakistan will believe that.
25:49I think it will have two effects.
25:51One is,
25:52sadness and anger will increase in Pakistan.
25:53We don't know what it will look like.
25:55See,
25:56friends of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
25:58tell me again and again,
26:00and I have seen it myself,
26:02that in that province,
26:04PTI is the only force
26:06that is connected to the mainstream
26:08of the people of that province,
26:10the youth of that province,
26:11the youth.
26:12If you remove PTI from the way,
26:14if you try to end PTI
26:16in some way,
26:18then you don't know
26:20where that province will go.
26:22It will go with PTM,
26:24it will go with TLP,
26:26it will go somewhere else.
26:28You should not have such experiences.
26:30You should think about Pakistan.
26:32Sir, but you are saying all these things
26:34that there will be sadness, anger,
26:36PTI will increase,
26:38so you feel that we can't do anything.
26:40No, we can only do this.
26:42That is why we are saying that
26:44the constitutional amendment
26:46that they are going to do,
26:48through which they want to
26:50get rid of PTI,
26:52is a part of this whole plan.
26:54If this does not happen,
26:56and another Chief Justice
26:58comes forward after 25th October,
27:00then I think a lot of things
27:02will take a new turn.
27:04Then you are talking about Khai Sahib.
27:06Khai Sahib is saying that
27:08everyone is waiting for 25th October.
27:10Why not?
27:12Look, it is an important day.
27:14It is a very important day.
27:16We think that all this time…
27:18I don't know if there is any effect
27:20of the Constitution,
27:22but we think that
27:24there have been a lot of cases
27:26in the last 1-1.5 years
27:28that should not have happened
27:30at the court level,
27:32and we expect that
27:34it will not happen after 25th October.
27:36Will it happen in your eyes
27:38or will it be neutral?
27:40We want it to be neutral.
27:42We expect a lot from the
27:44coming Chief Justices.
27:46I will tell you about Maulana Sahib.
27:48Please translate it for me.
27:50I will tell you about Maulana Sahib.
27:52Please translate it for me.
27:54Listen, Maulana Sahib.
27:56There is a criteria
27:58that decisions should be made
28:00on the basis of solidarity,
28:02but solidarity is not enough.
28:04Let's look at his qualifications.
28:06Let's look at his fitness.
28:08How can a disabled person
28:10become the Chief Justice
28:12and Chief Attorney?
28:14Did you find any way to…
28:16There is room for discussion.
28:18We will discuss further with Maulana.
28:20But if you put the power
28:22in the hands of the Prime Minister
28:24to make one of the three
28:26or five senior most judges
28:28the Chief Justice,
28:30then it will be very dangerous.
28:32The result will be…
28:34But this power is with the Prime Minister
28:36for the Army Chief.
28:38The Army Chief is not given
28:40that power by the law.
28:42Although he uses that power
28:44for something else,
28:46like running his own institution
28:48and defending the borders.
28:50But the judges
28:52and the Chief Justice
28:54of the Supreme Court
28:56have very broad powers.
28:58But he is one amongst equals, no?
29:00He is one amongst equals.
29:02He is one among the judges.
29:04He has a three-member committee.
29:06He has to decide on the benches.
29:08He is not the Chief Justice.
29:10No, it's not like that.
29:12The three-member committee
29:14is a simple law.
29:16It is not a constitution.
29:18We opposed it
29:20because you are
29:22introducing something
29:24in the constitution
29:26that when you feel like…
29:28And if the three-member committee
29:30ended the opposition,
29:32you would be opposing it.
29:34You were opposing
29:36the formation of this law.
29:38You will oppose the end of it
29:40because you feel
29:42that if the constitution
29:44is not reformed,
29:46things will improve
29:48after the retirement
29:50on 25th October.
29:52There is a tension
29:54and I think
29:56there is a state
29:58of the world
30:00and what will happen
30:02in the future.
30:04And the doubt
30:06that the constitution
30:08and the law
30:10will be reformed
30:12will not happen.
30:14I have not heard
30:16and I think
30:18it will be wrong.
30:20There is a strong government
30:22in KP.
30:24We think that KP's
30:26cases were not handled
30:28properly in the past.
30:30The tribal cases
30:32were not handled properly.
30:34KP's people should be given
30:36their rights.
30:38If you send the government
30:40to their homes
30:42and put the governor's rule
30:44then the situation
30:46will get worse.
30:48This will be a history
30:50of Pakistan.
30:52Lahore Jalsa.
30:54The government's indication
30:56is not to do this.
30:58They are not just saying
31:00not to do this.
31:02You must have heard
31:04these sentences.
31:06We will focus
31:08all our attention
31:10on the Lahore Jalsa.
31:12Will there be a fight?
31:14We don't want a fight.
31:16This was a gathering
31:18for understanding.
31:20They put up barriers
31:22and put up containers
31:24but we came laughing
31:26and wanted to leave.
31:28They tried to create
31:30all the problems
31:32and made false cases.
31:34We don't demand
31:36a special Jalsa.
31:38We will come there.
31:40We will speak
31:42and leave.
31:44No one should object to this.
31:46This is a legal right.
31:48You had a legal right in Islamabad.
31:50They tried to make
31:52fun of it.
31:54They told us not to do it
31:56on 22nd August.
31:58Imran Khan agreed
32:00that there is a lot of fear
32:02and that is why
32:04you were not allowed
32:06on 8th September.
32:08They put up barriers
32:10and made false cases.
32:12Why did they do all this?
32:14They made a law
32:16that if you go beyond 7pm
32:18you will be a criminal.
32:20They say you are preparing
32:22for 9th May.
32:24That is all you are doing.
32:26We don't want 9th May.
32:28We want a peaceful
32:30Jalsa.
32:32Will it be a local
32:34Lahore Jalsa?
32:36Or will Ali Amin come
32:38with a big Jalsa?
32:40It will be seen.
32:42We think if we do
32:44a Lahore Jalsa
32:46and people come from
32:48Lahore and Punjab,
32:50it will be a big Jalsa.
32:52We don't need people
32:54from KP.
32:56They have a right to come.
32:58We don't want any trouble.
33:00We want a peaceful Jalsa.
33:02We will talk about it.
33:04But we will do it
33:06according to the law.
33:08I want to ask
33:10a few questions to Maulana.
33:12Assalam-o-Alaikum.
33:14Maulana has said
33:16that there will be
33:18opposition.
33:20But we always see
33:22that there is a way
33:24in every speech.
33:26Maulana,
33:28why did you
33:30make the senior most
33:32the head of something?
33:34Will you appoint
33:36Chief Justice of Pakistan
33:38or Chief of Army Staff?
33:40Tell me,
33:42is Maulana
33:44with the government?
33:46What is your sense?
33:48I think
33:50if Maulana is understood,
33:52Maulana...
33:54It is not difficult.
33:56It is impossible.
33:58You know Don and Maulana.
34:00That is why
34:02I am trying to make you understand.
34:04I am also a Don.
34:06Let me tell you
34:08that if you understand Maulana,
34:10Maulana is
34:12walking on a straight line
34:14every day.
34:16The line does not
34:18go towards the government
34:20but towards the people.
34:22When he took this step
34:24not to go with the government,
34:26at that time he was
34:28completely alone.
34:30No party was with him.
34:32Today all the opposition parties
34:34are united
34:36in front of the government.
34:38Therefore, I...
34:40Sir, I have also heard
34:42that Maulana has said
34:44that the popularity he is getting
34:46for this position,
34:48he says why should I touch it?
34:50This is appropriate.
34:52He is a politician.
34:54Did he say this to you?
34:56When we started
34:58he said
35:00who will look at this government?
35:02Whoever looks at this government
35:04will turn black in the eyes of the people.
35:06So it means
35:08that if someone wants to do politics
35:10and he
35:12turns black on the face of his politics
35:14of that government
35:16who has 600 eyes in his boat
35:18and who is now
35:20instead of the people
35:22running on some form
35:24and some deceit
35:26then a wise politician like Maulana
35:28I say any politician
35:30who in the future
35:32also keeps the opinion of politics
35:34he will never take such a step
35:36about which there is
35:38any discussion.
35:40So I have a lot of clarity
35:42from Maulana's reference
35:44because he understands politics
35:46but he also has a hand
35:48and the opposition parties
35:50Sir, Maulana's hand
35:52is in many places.
35:54See, Maulana's hand
35:56can also be in the government.
35:58See, Maulana
36:00let's be honest
36:02about Maulana
36:04he is smarter than most people
36:06that you see in politics right now.
36:08Absolutely. He calls him his teacher.
36:10He is the teacher of all.
36:12The teacher will show the teacher.
36:14As a result of being a teacher
36:16of a teacher, a person learns something.
36:18The one who tries to be a teacher
36:20of a teacher, he does it by chance.
36:22Like the current government is doing.
36:24Meaning that the number
36:26is not complete in the assembly
36:28and yet they have to make a constitutional amendment.
36:30I asked one of them
36:32how will the government do it in this situation?
36:34I told him that he will have to call
36:36the magician of Samri.
36:38And they will remove the magician of Samri
36:40and how will this magician of Samri
36:42Thank you very much, Mr. Durrani.
36:44I will be in touch with you again.
36:46The decision of the Prime Minister
36:48for the immediate steps for the
36:50security with the Minister of Interior.
36:52What I was telling you after the Governor.
36:54Breaking news is going on in the air.
36:56Mr. Faisal Kareem Kundi
36:58had a phone call with the Prime Minister.
37:00We were talking about Governor Raj.
37:02Except the government,
37:04the establishment of peace
37:06has been a complete failure
37:08in the protection of the lives and wealth of the people.
37:10Is this what we were discussing?
37:12A statement like this
37:14and Governor Raj?
37:16It is possible
37:18that they will do this kind of foolishness.
37:20If they do this,
37:22then it will be foolishness.
37:24The elected government of a province
37:26which has the confidence of the people
37:28will reject it.
37:30How will they run the province?
37:32They will run the province by force.
37:34They will send machine guns and tanks.
37:36How will they run the province?
37:38I think this is a very bad idea.
37:40If such a thing is happening,
37:42it will harm Pakistan
37:44and not only the province.
37:46I think it will harm the state
37:48and the alliance.
37:50Let's take a break.
37:52Do you have any objection to the election of Raimiyar Khan?
37:54Absolutely.
37:56According to my information,
37:58many of our polling agents have been kidnapped.
38:00There are 400-450 polling stations.
38:02If you kidnap 20-30
38:04polling agents
38:06and make the result of the polling station
38:08of your choice,
38:10then the result of the election will change.
38:12There are many dead people fighting the election together.
38:14There is nothing to do with dead people.
38:16The real power here is something else.
38:18You must be talking about the people.
38:20No, I am not talking about the people at all.
38:22Then you are talking about the government.
38:24The power that overpowered the people
38:26on 8th and 9th February,
38:28the robbery that happened
38:30in the election,
38:32can still happen.
38:34If this continues,
38:36then you are doing the same thing.
38:38You are calling out to the anger of the people.
38:40Don't do this.
38:42Tell me one last question.
38:44Your MLA was kidnapped from the Parliament House.
38:46Will the Minister of Interior
38:48and the Prime Minister
38:50be seen?
38:52If someone has given a statement in two days,
38:54if someone has complained.
38:56This is what I am saying.
38:58All this happened because of my devotion.
39:00This government makes itself
39:02The speaker referred to you
39:04and said,
39:06if your Secretary General has said
39:08that I am involved in this,
39:10then he complained a lot.
39:12I am involved in what?
39:14He knew about this.
39:16I have asked you a question.
39:18Did he know that this was happening?
39:20This is going on now.
39:22The people of PMN have also said
39:24that the speaker probably knew.
39:26Dr. Tariq Fazal Chaudhary
39:28sat here and said that he was informed.
39:30IG Islamabad said that
39:32we have followed all the protocols
39:34and procedures.
39:36Let's take a break.
39:38I would like to ask you a question.
39:40Who do you want to listen to?
39:42These two people
39:44or the speaker?
39:46If you think
39:48that I am involved in this,
39:50then I will think about this.
39:52What do you think?
39:54Let's take a break.
39:56Should the speaker resign?
39:58Let the inquiry take place.
40:00The statements that have been
40:02given in the National Assembly
40:04by our members,
40:06Mr. Waqas and others,
40:08it seems that this matter
40:10was going on all night.
40:12How is it possible that no one
40:14knew about this?
40:16No one knew that the people
40:18of the National Assembly
40:20were going from one room
40:22to another.
40:24Despite this,
40:26it is difficult to believe.
40:28There should be an inquiry.
40:30The Ministry of Interior
40:32should not do this.
40:34There should be an independent
40:36committee for this.
40:38If the poor people do the
40:40investigation,
40:42then the investigation will be
40:44poor.
40:46What happened that night
40:48was very bad.
40:50It is impossible to believe
40:52that no one knew about this.
40:54God forbid,
40:56but it will be buried somewhere.