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۔DG ISPR's statement regarding Imran Khan, Faiz Hameed - Kashif Abbasi's Critical Analysis
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۔DG ISPR's statement regarding Imran Khan, Faiz Hameed - Kashif Abbasi's Critical Analysis
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:03Today, DGI-SPR held a press conference.
00:06It seems that this press conference will be a regular event.
00:10As you heard, they said that there is no political agenda.
00:15It is a national army.
00:16It neither supports nor opposes any political party.
00:20It is a good statement.
00:21Before this, there has been some criticism
00:23because political parties have been using certain words.
00:27But in this, they avoided commenting on it to a large extent.
00:33This is a good thing.
00:35There is no role of the army in politics.
00:39Obviously, there has been a lot of criticism in the past.
00:42And we hope that we will be able to take it forward in the same way.
00:47On the other hand, when Mr. Imran Khan's military trial was questioned,
00:53what was the response of DGI-SPR?
00:56There was a technical problem.
01:08As usual, the system got hanged.
01:10Let me tell you.
01:11In that, DGI-SPR was asked,
01:14is Tariq-e-Insaf expressing this suspicion
01:17that Imran Khan can be taken to the military trial.
01:22It can be carried out under the Military Act.
01:26According to the military law,
01:28if a person or an officer of any army is subject to the Army Act,
01:33and uses it for his personal or political purposes,
01:36and if there is evidence of it,
01:38then the law will take its course.
01:41Let's move on.
01:43The leaders of Tariq-e-Insaf are expressing this suspicion
01:47that the Bani PDI can be taken to the military trial
01:50or it can be carried out under the Military Act.
01:54According to the military law,
01:56if a person or an officer of any army is subject to the Army Act,
02:01and uses it for his personal or political purposes,
02:05and if there is evidence of it,
02:07then the law will take its course.
02:11So, Imran Khan said that if there is evidence of it,
02:14then it can be carried out.
02:16On the other hand, there was a detailed discussion about General Faiz.
02:19He was told how the court-martial was started against him.
02:25But when he was asked what to do,
02:29he said that if a person or an officer of any army is subject to the Army Act,
02:34and uses it for his personal or political purposes,
02:39then the law will take its course.
02:42General Faiz has been using a political agenda for his personal benefit.
02:48And Imran Khan has been using a political agenda for his personal benefit.
02:54This was the basic gist of this press conference.
02:56We have with us Barrister Aqeel from PMLN.
02:59Thank you very much.
03:00Thank you, Mr. Zain Qureshi.
03:02I am an MLA of Mr. Tariq Khan.
03:04What is being told to you people about the Military Court trial?
03:08Is it going to happen or not?
03:09Because the signals are being given as if something is going to happen.
03:13Your question, Mr. Kashyap...
03:16There is nothing to be said about what is being told.
03:19Obviously, as you can see,
03:21it is a matter of course in the Constitution.
03:24If we look at all the provisions in the Army Act,
03:28whether I am talking about Section 21d and 21c,
03:31or Section 94 and 95 of the Army Act,
03:35if we look at CRPC, it is 549.
03:38If 24 to 29 civilians can be trialled in the Military Court in Bani PTI's own jurisdiction,
03:48then you will get a pass.
03:50And when will it happen?
03:51It is a matter of course.
03:53There is no mention of 9th May.
03:56There is no mention of 9th May.
03:57There is no mention of 9th May.
03:58But apart from that, you can ask questions to DG ISP.
04:00He did not mention 9th May today.
04:02But he said that if a person who is subject to the Army Act,
04:09and if he has been used for his political and personal purposes,
04:15then it is very clear.
04:17It is not very clear.
04:18I think it is very clear.
04:19I think both of them are accused of this.
04:22On General Faiz, that he raised a political flag for his own benefit.
04:26On Imran Khan,
04:29that he raised a political flag for his own benefit.
04:35Both of them are working for their own benefit.
04:37Both of them are working for their own benefit.
04:39But the end result was their own.
04:41But the end result was their own.
04:42But the end result was their own.
04:45But the end result was their own.
04:47But the end result was their own.
04:48But the end result was their own.
04:49But the end result was their own.
04:50But the end result was their own.
04:51But the end result was their own.
04:52But the end result was their own.
04:53But the end result was their own.
04:54But the end result was their own.
04:55But the end result was their own.
04:56But the end result was their own.
04:57But the end result was their own.
04:58Both of them have been used by each other.
05:00This is that you scratch my back, I scratch your back.
05:02This is that you scratch my back, I scratch your back.
05:05Yes, it could be a collaboration.
05:06Yes, it could be a collaboration.
05:07So it seems.
05:08Because when I have asked this question in Sona.
05:09Because when I have asked this question in Sona.
05:11I think Sir can answer this better.
05:12if he could tell us any articles of the law.
05:15In that he has left a very big caveat.
05:17Give his answer.
05:18I was asking whether Army Act will be the application on General Faiz?
05:22I am a civilian, I am a politician,
05:25I am a minister of a political party.
05:27If a retired soldier contacts me for his personal benefit, I understand the application of the Army Act on him.
05:35Will it be applicable on the politician as well?
05:37Will the politician also try not to hang up the phone when the soldier has retired?
05:40Sir, let's stop at this.
05:42Mr. Balasubramanian did not immediately tell you a very big thing.
05:46He said that it happened to 28 people in his time as well.
05:49That here is the decision of a five-member bench of the Supreme Court.
05:52And Qazi Faizeesa Nones has said that no civilian can be trialled in the military court.
05:58Now, until his decision is not made, all your previous arguments will end here that it happened earlier.
06:04Now, what will you do about the five-member bench?
06:06Now, another decision had come that you should run the trial.
06:10Don't decide on it until we decide.
06:13No problem.
06:14Can the trial run? Am I right?
06:17You are absolutely right.
06:18The intracourt appeal is going on.
06:21Earlier, Mr. Jaswant Hassan had decided that the military court trial cannot be held.
06:27Now, another bench has been made.
06:29In which Sardar Tariq Sahib's Sardar Rahim.
06:31Thank you very much.
06:32Exactly.
06:33But my understanding of the problem is…
06:37And Sardar Tariq Sahib has come back.
06:39If you want to do something new, you will have to wait for the Supreme Court's decision.
06:45The trial can run.
06:46The trial can run.
06:47You cannot decide.
06:48You cannot decide.
06:49One more thing, sir.
06:50It is very important.
06:51If you…
06:52Let's agree with him.
06:53Let's also agree that hypothetically speaking,
06:56the Supreme Court decides tomorrow that the civilian can be tried in the military court.
07:00Even then, there is a very specific criteria.
07:03And that criteria is that the Official Secrets Act will be applied.
07:06The person who will try the Unofficial Secrets Act will go to the military court.
07:10Suppose, you talk about 9th May.
07:13And in 9th May, you say that terrorism has taken place.
07:15The government will set fire to the palace, etc.
07:17Then he will go to the ATC courts.
07:19The decision of the ATC court cannot go to the military court.
07:22But the presiding officer can assume the jurisdiction.
07:26All these things that I have told you…
07:28No, my understanding is that this is very clear.
07:30If you want to make a case based on the 9th May incident,
07:34then you can send it to the ATC courts.
07:36Imran Khan's case is not allowed in the military court in any case.
07:41If you have sent a complaint, that is another matter.
07:43But…
07:44Do you think that the legal team of the party is of the opinion that
07:47there cannot be a military trial?
07:48100%.
07:49And I think many legal fraternities have the same opinion.
07:51You must have heard that a very direct question was asked.
07:54I am sure they must have also asked their Jack Brand.
07:57Because of which this answer must have come.
07:58Obviously, they would not have done it like this.
08:00When they said that…
08:01Okay, I have one more thing.
08:02In the first thing you said,
08:04to the extent of General Faiz, we accepted that he did it for personal reasons.
08:08And that is why you put him in the military court.
08:11But is this applicable only to General Faiz?
08:14Or does it go beyond that?
08:15Mr. Barrister.
08:16Mr. Barrister.
08:17How can you…
08:18How can you…
08:19Mr. Kashif, especially,
08:22when a former commander himself has said that I did all this work,
08:26then how will you stop it to the extent of General Faiz?
08:28And the second question is…
08:29Very good question.
08:30Give me the legal answer to this.
08:32I am sure the Army Act restricts the military officers
08:36that they cannot participate in politics for two or three years after retirement.
08:40Or they cannot participate in such activities.
08:42Does the Army Act restrict the politicians
08:45that you cannot contact any soldier?
08:47Is this written anywhere?
08:48Look, I…
08:49Because obviously, I have not seen it so minutely that the politicians…
08:53And I think, generally…
08:54Because it is not an exemption, right?
08:55If anything, within the Army Act,
08:57if you go against it,
08:59I have not seen this specific term or this specific principle.
09:03But if there is such a thing that
09:06if you try and, you know,
09:09display or you share information
09:12that you should not do,
09:14the sensitive information that you have as an Army officer,
09:17then if you have done that,
09:19then whether it is a politician or someone else…
09:21Okay, let's stop here.
09:22So, what I am talking about here,
09:23the Official Secrets Act comes here.
09:25Correct.
09:26Now, if you, for example,
09:27if you want to try Kashif Abbasi or me or someone else in the military court,
09:31then first you have to prove in the court
09:35that you have gone against the Official Secrets Act,
09:37which is not happening here.
09:39There was only one case against Mr. Imran Khan,
09:41the one with the cipher.
09:42In that, he was acquitted.
09:44So, now if this is not applicable,
09:46then how are you making an exemption for the military court?
09:48But in Imran Khan's own time,
09:50the 28-29 people who are being talked about,
09:52they were also of some APS,
09:53apart from that,
09:54there were other and I think…
09:56Sir, until then…
09:57There were also retired Army officers.
09:58Until then, there was no bench of the Supreme Court,
09:59this was not a decision.
10:00Look, the judgment that has just come,
10:02is not being denied by the trial.
10:04Even now, in the intra-court appeal,
10:06the entire matter,
10:07the trial has not been stopped in that.
10:08But the things that you are talking about,
10:09which you are calling sensitive information,
10:11I believe,
10:12and a lot of information is being given,
10:14it is being given here,
10:15it is being given to the witnesses that
10:17General Faiz said this,
10:19he also agreed to this,
10:20so these things were found,
10:21and the phone record came,
10:22and these things were proven,
10:23because a lot of information comes to us
10:26through different journalists.
10:28The problem here is that
10:30till 9th May,
10:32will this information be available?
10:34That is, by 9th May…
10:35You have reached.
10:36Coordinates, places, locations,
10:38you have reached there.
10:39And I was listening to Mr. Nadeem Fawazi,
10:41he also said somewhere that
10:42he got ready to become a witness.
10:45I am not privy to that information.
10:47He did not say that in the National Assembly.
10:48Yes, absolutely.
10:49But you are saying that
10:50this information has been shared.
10:51Because when I listen to all these things,
10:53in which it is said that
10:54the violation of the Army Act
10:55was due to political interests.
10:56Look, when you write political interests,
10:58you write that
10:59to promote your political interests.
11:01Yes.
11:02In contrast to that,
11:03it could also be written that
11:04the country or the institution's
11:05sensitive information
11:06has been harmed.
11:08I think this is pointing towards 9th May.
11:11I see involvement in politics here.
11:13But the political objectives,
11:15obviously,
11:16they had one political objective,
11:17of both the parties.
11:19Now, the political objective
11:20of both the parties
11:21was to remain in power for years.
11:22But that has been decided.
11:23The first decision will be that
11:25is this law applicable to politicians
11:27or is it not applicable
11:28that he should not contact
11:29an army officer?
11:30Look at the retired politician,
11:31the citizen of Pakistan.
11:33Look,
11:34the only politician
11:35is not considered under that protection.
11:37No, no, sir,
11:38I meet retired soldiers.
11:39Thank God,
11:40I am a citizen of Pakistan.
11:41Look, they have been there for two years.
11:42Not at all.
11:43Who are they?
11:44What are you saying?
11:45I am sure you must have met them somewhere.
11:46You must have met them somewhere.
11:47Who?
11:48What is the matter?
11:49No one can get a citizen of Pakistan.
11:50No.
11:51Look, Mr. Kashyam,
11:52sharing information,
11:53sharing your sensitivity
11:54or if the objectives are shared.
11:55Everybody has a story
11:56when you meet them.
11:57It's true.
11:58This is something else
11:59that you attack here,
12:00go there,
12:01you do that.
12:02There is another story.
12:03I, Mr. Kashyam,
12:04will say the same thing.
12:05Look,
12:06this is a very tailored interpretation.
12:07Okay?
12:08This is done
12:09to achieve
12:10a goal
12:11in a big way.
12:12I will say the same thing again
12:13that
12:14because we have
12:15gone through this,
12:16that's why
12:17we know
12:18more about it.
12:19The official secrecy act
12:20was implemented
12:21in the cipher case.
12:22I saw it
12:23very carefully.
12:24So,
12:25there are
12:26very strict
12:27criteria in it.
12:28You can't say
12:29that I met
12:30a retired soldier
12:31over a cup of coffee
12:32and he told me
12:33this incident
12:34and he was in it.
12:35No.
12:36The official secret
12:37is that
12:38you did something
12:39that harmed
12:40the state.
12:41You benefited
12:42a foreign power.
12:43You did something
12:44anti-state.
12:45So,
12:46it's very strict.
12:47That's why I say
12:48unless it's 9th May
12:49and there is
12:50serious involvement.
12:51Yes.
12:52And there is
12:53set criteria.
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