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00:00Ali Zafar has joined us, let's talk to him as well.
00:05It has been said that we have to face the consequences of not acting on the decision.
00:10You have heard Qadir Mandokhil's speech, he says that he is still free.
00:13So, in your opinion, are the PTI people still free?
00:18Because they had already submitted a referendum, to change it later.
00:21They say that this is an out-of-the-way way.
00:24Look, today the Supreme Court, together with 8 judges,
00:30has given its first order of clarification.
00:35After that, I think the game of numbers,
00:39which was there for a long time, whether there are numbers or not,
00:43is now completely over.
00:44And the reason for that is that the Supreme Court has said that
00:48all the lists that the Supreme Court had put up with its order,
00:53it has said that all the people,
00:55whether they have become parliamentary members of the PTI or are going to become,
01:00all the people in that list,
01:02the so-called independent people of Sunni jihad,
01:05who had fought the elections under different symbols,
01:09all of them will be considered to be members of the PTI parliamentary party.
01:15If they are members of the PTI parliamentary party,
01:20then after that, Article 63A applies to them.
01:24That is, Article 63A says,
01:27whose explanation you remember,
01:30the case in which I fought,
01:32and we decided in court, the defection case.
01:36According to that case, Article 63A says
01:40that when a parliamentary leader of a party says
01:44that you do not have to vote in the constitution,
01:49then your vote will not be counted.
01:51You will be defected and the vote will not be counted.
01:54As a parliamentary leader, I have told the senators that you do not have to vote.
01:59And the parliamentary leaders of our National Assembly,
02:02they have also told all the parliamentary members
02:06that you do not have to vote on this amendment.
02:09So when their vote will not be counted,
02:12then it cannot be included in the numbers,
02:14it cannot be included in the counting.
02:16If it cannot be included in the counting,
02:18then you will not get a two-thirds majority.
02:20Let me tell you something about the National Assembly.
02:22Assume for a second,
02:24I am talking about the constitution,
02:27that all the political parties,
02:29except the PTI,
02:31they become one side and say that we have to make a constitutional amendment.
02:34But all the members of the PTI,
02:37all the parliamentary members,
02:39if their vote will not be counted,
02:41even if they take it from them,
02:43then they will not get a majority.
02:46They will not get a two-thirds majority.
02:48So the constitutional amendment cannot be done.
02:50That is why I said that the numbers game is over.
02:53But Mr. Mandukhel is saying that
02:55until the review is not ordered,
02:57until the decision is not made,
02:59then the decision cannot be implemented.
03:01Is that correct?
03:03Look, if there is a review,
03:05and this judgment is changed in the review,
03:09then it is correct.
03:11But if there is a review,
03:13and there is a stay order in the review,
03:15in which this decision is suspended,
03:17then it is correct that
03:19it cannot be implemented.
03:21But if only the review is filed,
03:25it does not stay,
03:27or the order is not suspended.
03:29Until the review does not stay,
03:33there will not be a specific order in the review.
03:35But one thing, when it goes into review,
03:37Mr. Mandukhel,
03:39we will have to wait for the decision.
03:41In the meantime, Mr. Kumar Dilshad has also joined us.
03:43We will talk to him in the evening.
03:45Briefly tell us, if there is a review,
03:47then the decision will not be implemented.
03:49Then we will have to wait for the review.
03:51Mr. Mandukhel, please.
03:53Yes, Mr. Mandukhel, please.
03:55When the review is filed,
03:57you are absolutely right, Mr. Ali Zafar,
03:59that the review cannot be filed
04:01if there is no stay order.
04:03But when the review is filed
04:05and there are no judges,
04:07and they go on leave,
04:09then who will listen to me?
04:11Who will give a stay?
04:13So when the judges are not available,
04:15then the election commission
04:17...
04:19Right now, when we are talking about 14th September,
04:21when a detailed decision was made,
04:23there is a short order for 12th July,
04:25then the constitution of the National Assembly is present,
04:27then practically on ground,
04:29what is implemented?
04:31Mr. Ali Zafar, please guide us,
04:33then I will also take Mr. Mandukhel's answer.
04:35What is applicable?
04:37On ground,
04:39what is applicable is
04:41the main decision,
04:43the majority decision.
04:45That is what is applicable
04:47because there is no stay.
04:49And the clarification order
04:51that has just come,
04:53it has also made it clear
04:55that the election commission of Pakistan
04:57should implement it immediately
04:59because the order is infield.
05:01The order is existing.
05:03And they have said that
05:05if you do not implement it,
05:07then what will be the consequences?