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00:00Ali Zafar has come with us and we are having a conversation with him.
00:02Ali Zafar, thank you very much for your time.
00:04I am sure everyone is trying to convince Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman.
00:07Just like we were asking Zahid,
00:10Maulana, the meetings that are taking place with you,
00:12or you who are trying to convince him,
00:14what is on the table? What can you offer? What are you offering?
00:17Why would Maulana be coming with you, if he comes?
00:21See, this is actually a battle of principles and strength.
00:27We are having very open discussions in the delegation.
00:33I can tell you that the decision has not yet been finalized.
00:39But what we have requested him is that
00:43in the darkness of the night, the government is trying to present amendments to the constitution.
00:54In the darkness of the night, we do not know what amendments are there and what they are.
00:59Ultimately, this will harm the constitution, the constitution, and our freedom.
01:07This will also be affected in some way.
01:09So, we are telling him that you are standing with us.
01:13And he is understanding this.
01:17The government is trying to meet him in its own way.
01:22Please tell me one thing.
01:24Of course, we are taking the details of these meetings.
01:27But since you are a legal expert,
01:29and you also deal with legal matters,
01:31please explain to me about these amendments.
01:33First of all, I don't know who all have received their documents.
01:36Some things have come up initially.
01:38One is the establishment of a legal court.
01:40After that, the appointment of judges.
01:42And especially the appointment of the Chief Justice.
01:45On this, they are saying that three or four names will go.
01:48Five names will go in it.
01:50Do you think that earlier,
01:52there was a lot of political tension on the level of the appointments.
01:56There are also deliberations.
01:58There is also a lot of thought.
02:00A lot of extension cases also come under consideration at times.
02:02This time, this matter used to be decided on its own.
02:05That is, the senior judge will become the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
02:09Do you think that if this amendment is passed,
02:12things will be sorted or further complications will increase?
02:16Look, the first thing is that
02:18they will not have the numbers to pass the amendment.
02:25Are you sure, sir?
02:26After the decision of the Supreme Court of Pakistan has been made,
02:30they do not even have the numbers.
02:32The government can pass the amendment successfully.
02:37They need the support of the National Assembly and the Senate.
02:41But if you assume that these amendments are coming,
02:45which I do not even know the details of,
02:47if you assume that these amendments will come,
02:50then in one way,
02:52it will clear the judiciary of both the parliament and the executive.
02:58The freedom of the judiciary will be completely eliminated.
03:02Because then you can dismiss any judge.
03:06You can do whatever you want to make him the Chief Justice.
03:11And then you know that there will be give and take.
03:14And we have seen that when there is give and take,
03:17when you try to get an appointment,
03:21then the judiciary is also divided.
03:23And then the executive can influence the judiciary even more.
03:30But the point is that who will have the power to choose?
03:35And how will it be transparent?
03:37Let's go to the answer to this question.
03:39Who will have the power to choose?
03:41And how will it be transparent?
03:44Mr. Ali Zafar.
03:47Mr. Ali Zafar is with us.
03:48Mr. Ali Zafar, can you hear me?
03:50Let's connect him.
03:51I can't hear you.
03:52Mr. Azhar Farooq has also been with us for a long time.
03:54Mr. Azhar Farooq has been with us for a long time.
03:56We feel for you, Mr. Azhar.
03:58And it is obvious that you keep an eye on all matters.
04:00So, brother, this time is increasing.
04:03The disease has increased as the medicine increased.
04:05The medicine is also not available here.
04:06The time has increased as we waited.
04:08So, what opportunities do you see?
04:10Will these things be possible today?
04:15Look, two things are very important.
04:17One is that the time of the Senate has been changed to 10 o'clock.
04:21So, there is still some hope for the government.
04:24The government has some hope that there will be some problem.
04:26The second thing is that if Maulana Fazl Rehman is not willing to go with the government,
04:31to vote, then Maulana Fazl Rehman has set up this desk.
04:35Sometimes one minister is going, sometimes another minister is going.
04:38A current prime minister is going, a former prime minister is going, a new minister is going.
04:43So, it means that some people and some people are going.
04:47And the government has to give Maulana Fazl Rehman immediately.
04:54Maulana Fazl Rehman is also a very courageous politician.
04:56He understands everything.
04:57This is also true that if he goes with PTI, then he has a big political advantage with PTI in the future.
05:05But it is also true that in the future, PTI is the biggest opponent of Maulana Fazl Rehman in KPK.
05:11This time also, Maulana Fazl Rehman has come with PTI.
05:15So, all these things are in front of Maulana Fazl Rehman.
05:17But apparently, what is happening at the moment, I have already talked about it.
05:22Former Attorney General for Pakistan is present with us, Mr. Ashtar Rao.
05:25Mr. Ashtar, thank you so much for your time.
05:27Please tell us, first of all, the basic questions.
05:30In your opinion, will this judicial system be beneficial for the judicial system?
05:43Or will it further complicate things?
05:45Look, first of all, we should understand what the constitution is.
05:52In short, the constitution is a sacrosanct document.
05:59On the basis of which and on the basis of which other laws are made.