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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:03You know the big news that Donald Trump has been re-elected as President.
00:07The rest is up to you.
00:09But there is a debate going on as to how this will affect Pakistan's politics.
00:13First of all, Donald Trump's return is perhaps the biggest comeback in the world's recent political history.
00:23Not only has he been re-elected as President,
00:26there is a majority of Republicans in the Senate as well as in Congress.
00:31This means that there won't be a more powerful President than Donald Trump.
00:35The issue is how this will affect Pakistan.
00:38His personality has a big impact on this.
00:40Donald Trump is a very blunt, aggressive, and unique personality.
00:46Our friends say that he is a Lahori-style person.
00:49You know, thigh-thumping, back-slapping, and this and that.
00:54This is why there is a big issue.
00:56If Donald Trump becomes President, it is said that he had a good relationship with Imran Khan.
01:02And if Donald Trump becomes President,
01:04the PTI had a strong opinion that it would be very beneficial for Pakistan.
01:09And why would they do this?
01:11Do you remember when Imran Khan went to Washington as Prime Minister,
01:15he received him very warmly.
01:18He received him at the doorstep.
01:21Usually, US Presidents don't do this.
01:23He received him there.
01:24He praised him a lot when he was sitting in the Oval Office.
01:27He said that he is a top athlete and that he has a great understanding.
01:32Then he went to his private residence.
01:34There are two parts in the White House.
01:35There is an office and a private residence.
01:37He went to the private residence as well.
01:39His wife took selfies with him.
01:42She took a selfie with the President on the side.
01:45And if you remember, when Imran Khan came back,
01:47he was very excited that he was great.
01:50Today's election transmission was going on.
01:52Ali Muhammad Khan said that when he spoke to Imran Khan in jail,
01:57he said that this is great news.
01:59This is very good news.
02:00And I have a great relationship with him.
02:02And Pakistan will benefit from this.
02:06And he used to talk to me many times as Prime Minister and President.
02:10We don't know how many times, but it was more frequently.
02:14In Pakistan, two people got in touch with Trump as the head of government.
02:21One was Nawaz Sharif and the other was Imran Khan.
02:23Nawaz Sharif's history is a little different.
02:26When he made a telephone call,
02:28which was a private conversation in a diplomatic language,
02:32you didn't get all the details.
02:35He praised Pakistan a lot and supported the Prime Minister a lot.
02:39Our foreign officials praised the US President.
02:44They released his entire transcript,
02:47which received a lot of reaction from Washington.
02:50But the biggest loss was that when it was released,
02:53there was a lot of pushback from the Indian lobby and other anti-Pakistan elements.
02:59And the result of the pushback was that Trump withdrew from Pakistan to a great extent
03:04and his attitude changed.
03:06Then when Trump left,
03:08people made a lot of statements and compared him with Imran Khan.
03:17They said that he was the one who caused the destruction in Pakistan.
03:20He was also aggressive.
03:22In fact, let me tell you a piece.
03:24Listen to this.
03:25Mariam Nawaz has gone viral today.
03:28Keep in mind that Mariam Nawaz is the daughter of Nawaz Sharif.
03:37She is also in a big position right now.
03:40And today there are reports that some ministers are deleting their old tweets.
03:45So the question is that in today's situation,
03:48if Trump and his administration...
03:51In fact, let's listen to Mariam first and then I'll talk further.
03:55When the culture of hooliganism was introduced in the United States of America,
04:00when Trump lost,
04:01and the way he attacked the country on the way,
04:04today you saw that it was his repeat.
04:06When this Pakistani Trump is also leaving,
04:09he has also tried his best to save himself today.
04:14I told you this because a while ago,
04:16we also talked to Mr. Rana Sinhawala.
04:18And that will be the first segment of our program.
04:20He also spoke harshly to him.
04:23And this was in the past.
04:24This is today.
04:26So now the question arises,
04:28that even if there is domestic politics,
04:31Congressmen live in America.
04:34Senators live in America.
04:36The Pakistani diaspora,
04:37especially in America,
04:39are predominantly, rather overwhelmingly,
04:41supporters of Imran Khan.
04:43And as you have seen,
04:45as a result of lobbying,
04:4660 Congressmen wrote to the current President Biden.
04:51And of course,
04:52when these people will go to the Senate,
04:55when they will come to Congress,
04:56then the people who have supported them,
04:59they will also listen to them.
05:00And there will be pressure on them.
05:02And if Trump himself is a sympathetic owner,
05:05if he also has his friendship,
05:06then there is no doubt that
05:08there should be some messaging from there.
05:10Messaging is not necessary,
05:11that it should be in a telephone call.
05:13I remember when Mr. Nawaz Sharif had a very good link
05:16with Bill Clinton.
05:18So Bill Clinton had promised that
05:20before he left,
05:21he would get him out of General Musharraf.
05:24And at that time,
05:25he spoke to UAE, Qatar and Saudi Arabia,
05:29and told them that
05:31you people talk to Musharraf,
05:33but before I leave,
05:35before the 20th of January,
05:37he should be out.
05:39And then we saw that in December,
05:41then Mr. Hariri's ship came,
05:42and then there is an old history,
05:44how the whole family went into it.
05:46So it happens that
05:47external things come into Pakistan.
05:50The question is that now,
05:52and at that time,
05:53Pakistan had a lot of relevance.
05:56Today, Pakistan's economic situation,
05:58for the IMF, we need America.
06:01We need America for a lot of things.
06:03And if we need UAE, Saudi Arabia,
06:06and their support,
06:07then they are very close friends of America.
06:09And especially Trump's relations
06:11with Prince Mohammed bin Salman,
06:14and the UAE's President,
06:16have very strong personal relations with them.
06:18So this call can come indirectly
06:20instead of directly.
06:21If it comes, then what will happen?
06:23Because the PTI people are hopeful
06:25that it will come,
06:26and there is a possibility
06:27that it can come.
06:28So let's talk to Mr. Rana Sinawala,
06:30who is the political advisor.
06:32What does he say if a call comes?
06:34Because when I was talking to him,
06:36he also told me that
06:37he has also spoken to the Prime Minister.
06:39And he is probably hopeful
06:41that such a message or call will not come.
06:43First, let's listen to what Mr. Rana Sinawala said.
06:46And then in the next part of the program,
06:48we will also talk to Fawad Chaudhary.
06:50Because at that time,
06:51he was an important member
06:52of Imran Khan's cabinet.
06:53And he was looking at a lot of things closely.
06:55So we will also ask him
06:57that is there any benefit
06:59of that relationship to the PTI today?
07:01First, let's see
07:02what Mr. Rana Sinawala says.
07:09Mr. Rana, Trump has won.
07:12And now there is a lot of hope for the PTI.
07:15And it is very strong now
07:17that maybe you will get a call.
07:19If the phone does not come,
07:21if it does not come directly,
07:22then indirect pressure can also be created.
07:24I remember,
07:25Bill Clinton had a lot of friendship with Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
07:28They had a very good relationship.
07:30So at that time,
07:31he told the UAE, Qatar and Saudi Arabia,
07:34you can call it a consortium,
07:36that you people talk to General Musharraf.
07:39Before I leave on January 20,
07:41I should be out of the country.
07:44And then we saw in December,
07:46the ship came and left with all the people of the house.
07:49If you get pressure,
07:51make a consortium like this,
07:53or a direct message from Washington,
07:55can you people not do it?
07:57If Imran Khan comes,
07:58leave him, send him out,
08:00or leave him.
08:03Look, now this is a matter of assumption.
08:06Now I cannot say
08:08that if there is such a situation tomorrow,
08:11then the government or PMLN
08:14or its allied communities,
08:17what stance do they take?
08:19It may also be possible
08:20that it is adopted as a narrative
08:23and the world or the nation is shown
08:26that this is the same person
08:28who used to say that we are slaves
08:31and America has conspired against me
08:35and has defeated my government.
08:38And now the reality is that
08:40America wants to get him released
08:44and wants to take him away.
08:46But now,
08:48as an assumption,
08:51no definite answer can be given to this.
08:54But my personal opinion is that
08:57if Donald Trump wants to take him away,
09:03then he should send him away
09:05so that both the brothers can get together
09:08and work together there.
09:10No, it is not an assumption
09:12because we have seen this happen.
09:15Nawaz Sharif went,
09:17after the foreign intervention,
09:19Nawaz Sharif was sent out by General Musharraf.
09:21It is not an assumption.
09:23These things have happened before as well.
09:25When Bhutto Sahib was hanged,
09:27all the Arab countries
09:30put a lot of pressure on Zia-ul-Haq Sahib.
09:34But America did not put pressure on him.
09:36That is why he was hanged.
09:38I am saying that
09:40how can you not make a choice?
09:42America and Trump are two different people.
09:45They are people who speak in Lahori style.
09:48And now when they become presidents,
09:50they will have a strong majority
09:52in Congress and in the Senate.
09:54And their style is different.
09:56Our biggest trading partner is America.
09:59Everyone knows the power of America.
10:02I am asking you,
10:04do you have any option?
10:06Like PTI is very excited,
10:09do you have the courage
10:11to say no to our setup?
10:13Because we are ahead of the IMF as well.
10:16Everything is in our hands.
10:19We do not want to have any kind of
10:21clash with America right now.
10:25The decision will be made when the time comes.
10:28But in Pakistan,
10:30as a nation,
10:34as a state,
10:36as an independent country,
10:38this position,
10:40this status,
10:42and this power,
10:44how much has America tried for Shaqeel Afridi?
10:48He did a lot for the interests of America.
10:53So Pakistan did not let him go.
10:56Similarly, Afia Siddiqui,
10:58if they want to take him,
11:00they can negotiate with Afia Siddiqui.
11:03Maybe the nation will be satisfied with him.
11:07So when the time comes,
11:09this will be discussed.
11:13But I do not think that
11:16America or Donald Trump
11:19is a candidate for an individual.
11:24I do not think that America or Donald Trump
11:27is a candidate for an individual.
11:31Mr. Rana,
11:33when Imran Khan is in jail,
11:35the political situation is not stable.
11:38His party is on the verge of collapse.
11:41The workers are being harassed.
11:43Some are facing lawsuits.
11:45If Imran Khan comes out,
11:47even if he is out of the country,
11:49he will not be able to handle the situation.
11:52Will you be able to handle the situation?
11:55No, if he goes out of the country,
11:58then all his statements,
12:01his politics, his jail,
12:04everything will be ruined.
12:07And his party will also collapse.
12:11Nawaz Sharif went out of the country twice.
12:14The Prime Minister returned to his family.
12:17And the Ministry of Finance is also with him.
12:20If he can go out of the country and become the Prime Minister,
12:23why can't Imran Khan?
12:25But Mr. Malik,
12:27it takes 8-10 years to return.
12:31It is not a matter of 2-4 days or a week.
12:37It is not even a matter of a month.
12:39It is a matter of 8-10 years.
12:42And who knows what the situation will be after so long?
12:45What will be the events?
12:48This is not an ordinary thing.
12:51But anyway,
12:53if Mr. Imran Khan wants this,
12:57then he should talk to America,
13:00to Donald Trump.
13:02The Jewish lobby there is very strong.
13:05It is with Mr. Imran Khan.
13:08He has also lobbied.
13:10The Indian lobby is also very strong there.
13:13They are also in support of Mr. Imran Khan.
13:17So if they want, they can do it.
13:21According to the situation,
13:23the leadership of PMLN and the government will decide.
13:28If this is not a matter of concern,
13:32then we were seeing today,
13:34that a few ministers were deleting their tweets
13:38about Mr. Imran Khan.
13:41When he went to Trump,
13:44they were comparing Imran Khan and Trump.
13:47Now those tweets are being deleted.
13:49A big statement by Mariam Nawaz has gone viral today.
13:54I want you to listen to it.
13:58The culture of hooliganism in the United States of America,
14:02when Trump lost and attacked the country,
14:06today you saw that it was his repeat.
14:08When this Pakistani Trump is also leaving,
14:11he has also tried to save himself.
14:16She is the daughter of Nawaz Sharif.
14:19She is the Chief Minister of Punjab.
14:22When you see these views,
14:25that she will go to Washington,
14:27she will be shown to Trump,
14:28everything will happen.
14:29What do you think about this?
14:31On the other hand,
14:32do you remember when Imran Khan went there,
14:34they received him on the doorstep.
14:37They welcomed him very well.
14:40They took him to their private quarters.
14:42They did not take Modi to their house.
14:44They took Imran Khan there.
14:46His wife took selfies with him.
14:48Today Ali Muhammad Khan was telling in our transmission
14:52that Trump used to talk to him on telephone calls.
14:57Trump knows only two people in Pakistan.
15:00One is Imran Khan and the other is Nawaz Sharif.
15:02I remember when he had a private conversation with Nawaz Sharif,
15:07and Nawaz Sharif was the Prime Minister,
15:09the government took out all his details.
15:14There was an Indian reaction to that.
15:16Trump backed away.
15:18On one hand, Imran Khan,
15:20with whom he had a very good relationship,
15:23he praised him as the best athlete.
15:27On the other hand,
15:29Nawaz Sharif's private conversation was leaked.
15:33Now when these statements will also come out,
15:36their attitude will change.
15:42If their attitude changes,
15:45and America comes to help Imran Khan,
15:52then it is fine.
15:54When he comes, we will see.
15:56He is the same person who used to say that
15:59America has conspired against me.
16:01We are slaves.
16:03Then we can also take that stance.
16:06Why should we change our judicial system
16:11on the basis of America's statement?
16:16If someone has been punished according to that,
16:19are we slaves to change that on their behest?
16:23This is what will happen when it happens.
16:28It is right that they should be called Pakistan's Imran Khan
16:36or Imran Khan should be called America's Trump.
16:40Both of them have many habits.
16:44Lying, being stubborn,
16:46making fun of others,
16:48going to the extent of taking illegal actions
16:53to get what you want.
16:57The attack on the White House,
17:02the way he gathered people there and made a scene,
17:07there are certain things that can be objected to.
17:13Some of your ministers are deleting their tweets.
17:16You are the advisor to the Prime Minister.
17:18You are saying that the next president of America
17:22is a liar.
17:24He does illegal work.
17:26He is breaking the law.
17:29Are you realizing what you are saying?
17:32What are the political consequences of this?
17:34I am realizing it.
17:36He has been doing all this.
17:38The attack on Capitol Hill is now a reality.
17:43If I say no, there will be no improvement.
17:47If I say no, it will not end.
17:50I don't know if anyone has deleted their tweets.
17:54They should not be deleted at all.
17:56What Mariam Nawaz has said is absolutely right.
18:00It is the truth.
18:02This is what happened.
18:04As far as congratulating someone is concerned,
18:06this is a formality.
18:09He has succeeded.
18:11He has become the president of America.
18:13If Mariam Nawaz has congratulated him,
18:16if the Prime Minister has congratulated him,
18:18this is a diplomatic gesture.
18:20This should have been done.
18:22This has a direct political implication in Pakistan's politics.
18:28You are an advisor.
18:30Have you spoken to the Prime Minister about this?
18:32After this election,
18:34what can be the implications of PTI and Imran Khan?
18:38How to deal with this?
18:40Yes, we have spoken about this.
18:44It is our considered opinion
18:48that there will be no pressure or demand from Donald Trump or America.
19:00This does not happen.
19:02The countries in the relations of the two countries
19:04consider their national interests.
19:08You must have discussed this, Mr. Rana,
19:10that if there is a demand,
19:12what will be your answer?
19:14What is the Prime Minister's opinion on this?
19:16This is a very big if.
19:18The reason is that the attitude should also be looked at.
19:20Shakeel Afridi,
19:22who has done such a great job
19:24in the interest of America,
19:26he has not made a demand for it.
19:28Afia Siddiqui,
19:30he is also a human being.
19:32He is an innocent prisoner there.
19:34He has never refused to answer us.
19:36He says,
19:38this is our own judicial system.
19:40No, no, you are right.
19:42I am just trying to understand.
19:44If he is very sympathetic to Imran Khan,
19:46then we will also do it.
19:48If he is very sympathetic to Afia Siddiqui,
19:50then our whole nation will also be very sympathetic to Afia Siddiqui.
19:52No.
19:54What is the Prime Minister's opinion?
19:56If he has made such a demand,
19:58will we link it to Afia Siddiqui?
20:00Or have you decided that
20:02if there is such a demand,
20:04we will not accept it?
20:06Look,
20:08this is a very big if.
20:10This is a very big if.
20:12And the Prime Minister's opinion
20:14is that this will not happen at all.
20:16This is just a
20:18presumption.
20:20This is a conjecture
20:22of the PTI people
20:24that now Trump will come
20:26and get us
20:28relief.
20:30So this is their
20:32presumption.
20:34And this
20:36will never be
20:38the truth.
20:40Okay.
20:42You know that in Islamabad,
20:44a discussion starts immediately.
20:46Now we are hearing this kind of thing
20:48that maybe the government
20:50is also looking very seriously
20:52that whatever decisions will be made
20:54about Imran Khan's case,
20:56whether it is the Toshakhana case
20:58or the case of the Military Court,
21:00this should be settled
21:02before 20th January 2025
21:04because they have to take oath in January.
21:06And the thought is that
21:08even if they take oath on 20th January,
21:10it will take another 1-2 months
21:12to do all the matters.
21:14So we have 3-4 months
21:16in which maybe
21:18no pressure will come before that
21:20and it is not even expected.
21:22So in these 4 months,
21:24everything should be covered.
21:26So is there any truth in this
21:28that the cases of Imran Khan
21:30will be taken to a logical conclusion
21:32in 3-4 months,
21:34No, Mr. Malik,
21:36this will be a mere coincidence
21:38because the 2-3 big cases
21:40against Imran Khan
21:42will be finalized
21:44in the next 2-3 months
21:46because
21:48now
21:50while the prosecution
21:52is taking place,
21:54almost
21:56one case
21:58I think
22:00has come
22:02close to the decision.
22:04So now that thing
22:06should be added in such a way
22:08that it is happening because of this.
22:10So that is a separate thing
22:12but Imran Khan's case
22:14has been going on
22:16for a long time
22:18and
22:20it is happening very fast
22:22and the tactics
22:24of delaying
22:26are almost over.
22:28So in the coming
22:302-3 months,
22:32the decision will be made.
22:34Well, that will happen
22:36but the case of May 9
22:38General Faiz Hameed's trial
22:40has not yet started
22:42but it is being said
22:44that General Faiz Hameed's
22:46testimony will be very important
22:48and on that basis,
22:50a case can be made
22:52against Imran Khan
22:54on May 9
22:56and he can go to the military
22:58Do you think that the case
23:00can be closed in the next 2-3 months?
23:04No.
23:06It can start
23:08if there is any substance in it
23:10but I cannot say
23:12that it can be closed
23:14because
23:16after the case starts,
23:18it is not so fast
23:20in our judicial system
23:22that it can be closed.
23:24But the other case
23:26the case of Imran Khan
23:28and the case of Tosha Khanna
23:30and the case of NAB
23:32which is worth
23:34190 million pounds
23:36I think there are
23:382-3 more cases
23:40which will be finalized
23:42in a few weeks.
23:44You said that
23:46Imran Khan and Trump
23:48have a lot of habits
23:50and they share
23:52the same things
23:54If Trump defies
23:56the deep state
23:58and establishments
24:00and comes back to power
24:02then will Imran Khan
24:04not be able to come back
24:06after defying the deep state?
24:08No.
24:10Trump has not come back
24:12after defying the deep state.
24:14He has not defied
24:16the establishments
24:18and the 4 years
24:20that he has been there
24:22with the establishments
24:24rather
24:26he has been present
24:28in the cases
24:30and he has been
24:32fulfilling them
24:34more than before.
24:36So, he has not defied
24:38the establishments.
24:40However,
24:42taking U-turn,
24:44not following his words,
24:46lying,
24:48making fun of others
24:50and such things
24:52are common
24:54in many places.
24:56PTI is so optimistic
24:58that you feel
25:00there is no reason
25:02and obviously
25:04you are worried
25:06because of Donald Trump
25:08and Imran Khan
25:10and PTI politics.
25:12So,
25:14there is a basis
25:16if you are worried.
25:18No, we are not worried
25:20and we have not
25:22held any special meeting.
25:24Today, Prime Minister
25:26was not in Islamabad
25:28but in Gilgit-Baltistan.
25:30So,
25:32there is a common
25:34discussion
25:36like what will happen
25:38if Trump wins
25:40and what will happen
25:42if Kamala Harris wins.
25:44So, I am talking
25:46about this.
25:48There is nothing
25:50serious or worrisome.
25:52Mr. Rana,
25:54thank you very much
25:56for giving us time
25:58and talking to us.
26:00We have heard
26:02and felt that
26:04the government is
26:06hoping that
26:08there will be
26:10no pressure
26:12and no phone calls.
26:14We have seen that
26:16Trump's interaction
26:18with Prime Minister Imran Khan
26:20was very positive.
26:22It was a warm
26:24and strong
26:26relationship.
26:28His relationship
26:30with Mr. Nawaz Sharif
26:32was good in the beginning
26:34but when his phone calls
26:36were leaked,
26:38there was a withdrawal.
26:40There is a lobby
26:42of PTI
26:44because
26:46there are a lot of
26:48Republicans in the Senate
26:50and the majority
26:52is in Congress.
26:54All these Congressmen
26:56and Senators
26:58had a lot of
27:00Pakistani diaspora
27:02involved.
27:04So, there will be
27:06a pressure.
27:08Imran Khan should be
27:10sent abroad.
27:12Time will tell
27:14that once you take a genie out of a bottle,
27:16can you put it back?
27:18Maybe,
27:20PTI won't get any better news
27:22and maybe, the government
27:24won't get any worse news.
27:26Because, if this phone call comes,
27:28I don't think
27:30that the situation
27:32will change.
27:34If it does,
27:36a lot will change in Pakistan.
27:38Let's see what happens.
27:40It's time for a small break.
27:42After the break,
27:44let's take a look at the other side.
27:46We have Fawad Chaudhry with us.
27:48He was a minister
27:50when Imran Khan went to America
27:52and the Trump scene happened.
27:54Let's ask him if this optimism
27:56is misplaced or
27:58it can bring a big change.
28:00Welcome back to the show.
28:02You just heard a detailed
28:04conversation of Mr. Ranaz.
28:06Let's talk to Mr. Fawad Chaudhry
28:08who was an insider
28:10in the cabinet.
28:12Assalam-o-Alaikum Fawad.
28:14Assalam-o-Alaikum.
28:16Any comment on what Mr. Ranaz just said?
28:20First of all,
28:22I think that there are
28:24two leaders in the world
28:26who are in panic.
28:28One is President Zelensky of Ukraine
28:30who thinks that
28:32money won't come from America.
28:34The other one is PM LN
28:36of Pakistan.
28:38He has been deleting his tweets
28:40since morning.
28:42He was worried
28:44but Mr. Ranaz
28:46has repeated
28:48his original tweets.
28:52Mr. Ranaz's colleague
28:54Mr. Ishaq Dar
28:56had a similar conversation
28:58with China a few days ago.
29:00Let's see
29:02what Mr. Ranaz
29:04has to say.
29:32Let's see what Mr. Ranaz
29:34has to say.
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35:10and I think Trump's arrival will further escalate the situation.
35:15And Trump has a very close relationship with the MBS,
35:20with the President of the UAE, and in our current economic situation,
35:25Saudi Arabia and the UAE have a very critical role.
35:28Do you see the way Bill Clinton used Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Qatar
35:33to ensure that Nawaz Sharif is removed,
35:39can they come through this door as well?
35:44Look, in Pakistan's politics, three countries have played this kind of role in the past.
35:50One is the United States itself.
35:52You know that the role played by the United States to bring Ayub Khan
35:57has been declassified and is available on the internet.
36:02Anyone can go and read it.
36:04You see, the American interest in General Zia-ul-Haq and Bhutto's case,
36:12and then the third power of Benazir Bhutto,
36:16and before he was martyred,
36:18you have details in the book Condoleezza Rice
36:21about how the United States played a role in bringing Benazir Bhutto back to Pakistan
36:26and then to protect him in the politics here.
36:30This is all part of Pakistan's history.
36:33We know this very well.
36:35So, Mr. Rana, what will happen to that narrative
36:39when you say that America should not be involved and that we are slaves?
36:43Won't it be negated if this path is taken?
36:47This is absolutely right.
36:50Just like the narrative of giving respect to their vote.
36:54But there is a difference.
36:56One difference is that, like what Biden did,
37:02he joined forces with his establishment to change the government.
37:08And now the Republicans are also saying that they took part in this.
37:12But on the other hand, look at what Imran Khan is doing.
37:16Imran Khan is not doing anything.
37:18He is an American diaspora, a Pakistani,
37:21who is telling the world that human rights violations are taking place in Pakistan.
37:25Fundamental rights are suspended.
37:27Let me tell you one thing.
37:29They have to vote on 20th January.
37:33Obviously, three months have just passed.
37:35November, December, and January.
37:37It will be 20th January.
37:38It will take a couple of months for things to settle.
37:41There are four to five months here
37:45before all this process starts.
37:48These things don't happen all of a sudden.
37:50It will take four to five months.
37:52Rana Sanjeev, I thought that big cases would be decided in these four to five months.
37:59The four to five months that are critical here for Imran Khan's future and politics,
38:05this is a lead period.
38:07We cannot expect anything before that.
38:09So, won't the decisions here be speeded up?
38:14If a military trial is decided, will it be implemented?
38:17So, won't it be more damaging?
38:22What difference will it make?
38:24What difference will the decisions of the cases make?
38:26In the cases, President Trump himself is convicted of a felony.
38:30So, what happens with the decisions of the cases?
38:32Who gives importance to the decisions of political cases?
38:34The biggest problem of this government is that
38:38they think that it is a country of 25 crores.
38:41They say that we have to use sticks and bullets.
38:44This is not possible.
38:46The legitimacy of this government, which has been a problem from day one,
38:49forces them to fight a new war for their survival every day.
38:55And they have to fight a new war.
38:57This is why there is no stability in Pakistan.
39:00They are focusing on getting Imran Khan punished in a particular case.
39:05They want to remove MNAs from their homes.
39:08This is not how a country should work.
39:10If I am ruling, then my wish should be that the temperature in the country should remain low.
39:16So that there is an investment.
39:18So that there is an atmosphere.
39:19So that it feels like a country is running.
39:21If you feel every day that someone has been killed, someone has been arrested,
39:25then there will be a huge difference in the country.
39:27There is a lot of difference.
39:28One thing is that you are under trial.
39:30Cases are going on.
39:31One thing is that your decisions are made.
39:34You become a convict.
39:35And if the military trial scene has started,
39:38because look, the government is in its place.
39:41They have made tribunals of their choice.
39:44What difference will this make?
39:46Your judicial bench has also become a hand-picked judicial bench.
39:50Judiciary gives relief, but I don't see it.
39:53And if the tribunals of Punjab do not open the cases,
39:57as everyone knows what happened and what did not happen,
40:00then it is not so easy to undo a thing by accomplishing a fate.
40:06No, the owner is the problem.
40:09You are understanding that this system,
40:13the world also understands that this is a very legal system
40:18and there will be punishments in it, so it will be a big deal.
40:21The world has already told you that Imran Khan's trial is unfair.
40:26How is the International Human Rights Organization looking at Pakistan?
40:32How are they looking at these cases?
40:34If you look at President Trump's point of view,
40:40what difference does it make to these cases?
40:43Whether you punish him or not,
40:45basically, look at his primary motive.
40:49Everyone knows that Imran Khan's case is a fraud.
40:51Everyone knows that the way the judges of the lower courts are making decisions,
40:55they are not up to mark.
40:57The Congress should keep an eye on the protest of the Pakistani diaspora.
41:06If it says that the United Nations has told you that this trial is not in accordance with the rule of law
41:13and the principles of a fair trial are not being followed,
41:17then if you do not do it,
41:19now the only issue is whether the Trump administration will take coercive measures or not.
41:25We all know the position of the American Congress.
41:32The Biden administration did not follow the Congress resolution.
41:37You are telling me to take a break.
41:39I want a quick answer.
41:41Do you think this resolution will suddenly come to life?
41:46100 percent.
41:48The decision will be made whether President Trump will take coercive measures or not.
41:54I will take a break.
41:56He will continue this conversation.
41:59He will take action against the diaspora.
42:03What options do you see for PTI Pakistan after this break?
42:07Welcome back.
42:08We have some time.
42:10I want to ask two or three quick questions.
42:12If there is any development,
42:14let's say Mr. Nawaz Sleem and others got the chance,
42:17if it is offered that Mr. Khan should go out for some time.
42:21Do you think this is a politically viable option that this can be a political suicide?
42:29No, but knowing Khan Sahib, he won't agree. He won't do it. He won't come to this deal.
42:36If he had to come, he would have come on the first day. Why did he have to go through so much trouble?
42:41But he won't agree to this. He will stay here. And why would Imran Khan go out now?
42:47But whatever you do now, with all these amendments and things, politics won't work.
42:55Politics is revolving around Imran Khan. At this time, the center of politics in Pakistan is Imran Khan.
43:02So tell me one thing, it seems that a very big role of Imran Khan's future, PTI, will be burdened on Diaspora
43:13and what they do in America, what delivery is there. If there are developments there,
43:18and all the group play that has taken place in PTI, there is fractured leadership,
43:23and you keep saying that someone from the family should lead.
43:26Will they be able to capitalize on it, that the main Diaspora there will be wasted in their own fights?
43:34No, I think this is a very crucial time. If PTI is not able to do it here,
43:41then the most important thing is whether you can make an opposition alliance or not.
43:45The failures of PTI, or those who have not been able to do it yet,
43:50you see, on 9th February, the movement should have been running, but it didn't.
43:54After that, whenever the opportunity has come, you can protest.
43:58But this is a very big development. The total scenario has changed.
44:02You have also told the relationship. Now if there is a development there,
44:07will they be able to build on it?
44:14There is no issue of fights. When Imran Khan is not there,
44:18then there are fights between each other. What difference does it make?
44:21When Mr. Khan settles, that's it. People are with Imran Khan.
44:26People are not with PTI or leadership. People are with Imran Khan.
44:32If the party manages it now, a very big nationwide protest or everything,
44:37that you will say that lakhs of people have come out on the streets, this has happened, that has happened,
44:41an effective one, will it speed up that process there?
44:45Will it be beneficial in America?
44:48If lakhs of people manage it, then there is no need for outsiders.
44:53Then it will be managed from here. But in my opinion, PTI's politics lacks a little.
44:59And politics is lacking because the opposition is not able to gather the communities.
45:03You will have to sit with the JUI.
45:06If Mr. Khan says so, he will sit. Mr. Khan says not to talk to anyone.
45:10No, no, he has said. He has said it. He has said it yesterday as well.
45:15And with Maulana Fazlur Rahman, with Jamaat-e-Islami, with GDA.
45:19Tomorrow, I think all these people are going to meet Mr. Khan again.
45:23And whatever will happen in it, the importance of that is that you should not be seen alone.
45:29Parliamentary democracy should not be seen alone.
45:32Thank you very much for giving us time. We have run out of time. There were a lot of talks.
45:36Mr. Razi, you have heard the talks here as well.
45:38One thing is very clear that there is a very big development.
45:41Whatever will happen in America, let it be. But there are direct ramifications.
45:46Today's meeting, if the Army Chief is also in Saudi Arabia, this is also a very important thing.
45:52This is a significant thing. Then the call of MBS is also a significant thing.
45:57So some things start suddenly.
46:01We have to see whether PTI will be able to do political capitalization on this or not.
46:08Let's see.
46:09With your permission, Allah Hafiz.

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