" Is Waqt Maulana Fazal-ur-Rehman Pakistani Siyasat Ke Arshad Nadeem Banay Hue Hain, Hadar Naqvi
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00:00At this time, we have completely disposed of their documents.
00:04In fact, to say that we don't have any documents,
00:09then what was provided?
00:12What was provided to someone, what was not provided to someone, what was this game?
00:17But whatever was handed over to us and we have studied it,
00:23then by studying it, we could not accept it in any way, in any way.
00:32It could not have been more treacherous in the trust of the nation and the country,
00:38if we had cleaned it.
00:40Absolutely, he is saying that if we had done this,
00:43then it would have been a great injustice to the nation.
00:46Now, Bilawal Sahib said last night that there is a possibility
00:50that we and Maulana Sahib together should prepare a joint resolution
00:56or make an agreement among ourselves,
00:59then we will be in a position to pass it with two-thirds majority.
01:04Pakistan People's Party and Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman Sahib's Jamaat,
01:07which came out with EY,
01:09the original draft of Pakistan People's Party, which we have prepared,
01:15with reference to the Constitutional Court,
01:19for implementing the Charter of Democracy,
01:22we will put that in front of the JUI,
01:25and the JUI is now working on its own draft as well,
01:29so if we can make a consensus document between our two drafts,
01:34then perhaps it will be easier for us to cross that two-thirds majority.
01:40But along with this, Kamran Murtaza from the JUIF is also demanding
01:45that if you have an official document,
01:48then share it with the Bar Councils and get feedback from them.
01:52The actual official document should be brought forward,
01:56we will debate on that official document,
01:59we are not the only ones who want to debate on it,
02:02I want you to send it to the Bar Councils,
02:05send it to the Bar Associations,
02:07and publish it for the general public.
02:12Mr. Nagri, you have been circling us for the past 2-3 days,
02:16not sharing any news with us.
02:18You said earlier that there was no reform,
02:22and that it was all in the air,
02:25but after the fair in Islamabad, everyone came.
02:30Now you are saying that nothing will happen,
02:33you are saying that there is no reform,
02:36and eventually nothing will happen.
02:38Now what is the news?
02:40You feel that the People's Party,
02:42Bilawal Bhutto Zardari Sahib,
02:44went on our channel and a couple of other channels,
02:47he talked about what is going to happen,
02:49we will do it.
02:50So when will this happen, how will it happen?
02:52Or do you feel that it was just like that,
02:54that we had to divert our attention from somewhere,
02:57or you are saying that we had to end the story of the person in jail,
03:02I can see that.
03:04First of all, let me say one thing,
03:06Maulana Sahib has become the Arshad Nadeem of Pakistan's politics.
03:10Everyone wants to take a picture with him,
03:12meet him, invite him to dinner,
03:14invite him to dinner, talk to him.
03:16So what was happening with Arshad Nadeem the other day,
03:19the whole of Pakistan, big people were behind him.
03:21Anyway, you talked about Bilawal Bhutto Sahib,
03:24or the reform, now all this happened.
03:27You said that you called everyone,
03:29you even called the National Assembly for a meeting,
03:31and so much is happening.
03:33Now what will come out of this?
03:35Now no big reform will come out of this.
03:37Like we were talking about the age of 68,
03:39no such reform will come out.
03:41We were talking about controlling the Supreme Court,
03:43no such reform will come out.
03:45We were talking about giving an extension to any official,
03:47no such reform will come out.
03:49But a lot of small legislations will come out,
03:52and this will be their face-saving
03:54that we had to do this reform.
03:56Bilawal Sahib said that we will keep our constitution,
03:59Maulana Sahib will keep it, others will keep it,
04:01and then we will move forward on the consensus.
04:04So these will be small reforms,
04:06and it is the Parliament's job to make small reforms,
04:08to make laws, and in the same way
04:10their face-saving will happen,
04:12in the same way the Parliament will be executed,
04:14and it will be said again that the reform
04:16has been passed, and this will be passed.
04:18And what you said about Adiala,
04:20now the statements have been changed.
04:22Now under PTI,
04:24the opposition leader,
04:26who had the power, has left.
04:28Now it is too late for that.
04:30Now you cannot control this damage.
04:32You can try a lot, but you cannot.
04:34Maulana Fazlur Rahman has snatched
04:36that driving seat from you.
04:38And now he will stay on the driving seat for a long time.
04:40Until this reform will continue,
04:42until further opposition,
04:44you will see that Maulana Fazlur Rahman
04:46will do even more opposition.
04:48Now not only will the reform be limited,
04:50now you will see some statements from him
04:52that he has become a very powerful opposition leader
04:54of Pakistan.
04:56Now the land of opposition has left
04:58under PTI.
05:00I am telling you based on my observation.
05:02Mr. Chaudhary,
05:04you are definitely not agreeing
05:06with Mr. Nagvi.
05:08No, I agree 100%.
05:10No, no, 200%.
05:12The statements that all three of you have given
05:14have ended.
05:16Now you are saying
05:18that there was no reform.
05:20So that day you were saying
05:22that I am going for a walk for an hour.
05:24After that the reform will come
05:26and spread.
05:28So who informed them?
05:30I said that milk and water will become water.
05:32You listen to the video, what I said.
05:34Milk and water will become water.
05:36Mr. Nagvi, leave this.
05:38I am happy that Mr. Chaudhary
05:40follows you so much.
05:42Mr. Chaudhary, the question
05:44is basically that
05:46Mr. Nagvi is saying that some small actions
05:48will be taken.
05:50No, I am not in this.
05:52The main thing he said yesterday
05:54in a big interview
05:56of Wasim Badami
05:58that Mansoor Ali Shah
06:00will be the Chief Justice
06:02and there is no doubt
06:04about it.
06:06You don't bring that out.
06:08I said this.
06:10Mr. Nagvi,
06:12Mr. Chaudhary,
06:14but you have not listened carefully.
06:16Our researcher, Mr. Sarish
06:18has listened very carefully.
06:20He said that the Chief Justice
06:22is the Supreme Court.
06:24So when the Supreme Court
06:26and the Constitutional Court separate,
06:28the Constitutional Court will rise
06:30and the Supreme Court will fall.
06:32No, I mean
06:34the government plan that came in front of us
06:36is what we have been
06:38discussing for the last 3-4 days.