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00:00And to make the military trials of Article 8 and civilians easy,
00:05in that regard, yesterday Bilawal, of whom you told the whole story,
00:09Bilawal sir says in our interview yesterday that he was definitely included in the Moonleak wish list,
00:16but we told him that we will not support it.
00:19He said this later, the next day at around 12 o'clock when the meeting of the committee took place,
00:27the day when everything should have happened, Bilawal sir told me that we have removed it on your objection.
00:36And then the citizen was sitting at that time, he was told to include his environmental article in it,
00:43that it also comes under a fundamental right.
00:45This happened at the time when everything should have happened,
00:49so he told me at that time, but he did not have any agreement with us.
00:52The other one was an amended draft.
00:55The one that I have with me today is the same.
00:58Article 8, the military trial of civilians, all that is included in it,
01:01which you have with you today.
01:02I have everything with me.
01:03Very interesting.
01:05And sir, now that is done and the amendment has also been amended.
01:09As we speak, what is the status now?
01:11You are still taking its complaint and giving your suggestions to the government
01:15that we do not agree with this and this is agreed, if we want to do this, we will support it, if we want to do this, we will not do it.
01:18What is the status now?
01:20No, after that it happened that after that, maybe the next day when this whole thing happened,
01:26Bilawal had come again and he said this, he reminded Maulana Sahib of his party and UAE,
01:35and said that it is the struggle of our generations, so now let's do it like this,
01:40that we make a joint organization, we make a new organization.
01:44So I was present again incidentally, I told him that you were also present at that time,
01:49and there was another friend, maybe Naveed Kamal was there or Shah Sahib was there.
01:56Okay.
01:57So, Shah Sahib, maybe Naveed Kamal is also there,
02:01so this happened again at that time that I intervened and said that do it like this,
02:08that you make your own and we will make our own so that it is not that we put something wrong in it
02:15or something wrong comes from somewhere else.
02:17So, after how many days are you both going to sit again with your opponents?
02:22Today, I got a call from Muthuza, today I was going somewhere, I was driving,
02:27at that time I saw, but till now I have not been able to respond to him,
02:30that my own professional commitments, that miscalculation is there in it today.
02:36Okay, so sir, these two or three basic things on which there are more issues,
02:42what is your opinion on that?
02:43For example, the establishment of a legal court and the appointment of the first Chief Justice by the Prime Minister,
02:49do you have any objection to this or do you have?
02:52On the advice of the Prime Minister, on the advice of the President.
02:55Yes, yes, yes.
02:56Yes, only on the advice of the Chief Justice and then on the advice of the Chief Justice and then on the advice of the President.
03:09So, this is a little different for the judges.
03:12Do you have an objection to this or are you fine with it?
03:16Yes, I have an objection to it.
03:18The objection is that if it becomes personal and specific for someone,
03:22then we object to those things.
03:24The objection was also made clear on that.
03:26Okay, so maybe it is not possible for you to find a way that
03:32any judge who is retiring from the Supreme Court of Pakistan after a few days,
03:35becomes the Chief Justice of a legal court.
03:37Maybe this is not possible for you.
03:40Yes, this is also correct.
03:43And this was also made clear.
03:45Sorry, I couldn't hear.
03:46Say sorry again.
03:47No, I really couldn't hear.
03:50I am not joking.
03:51I really couldn't hear.
03:52I am sure.
03:53You are deliberately making fun of me.
03:55By God, I couldn't hear.
03:56Believe me.
03:57I am saying this for the second time that this was made clear.
04:01Yes, yes.
04:02I really couldn't hear.
04:03I am not joking.
04:04It was made clear that there will be a big reaction from the lawyers
04:09which cannot be tolerated.
04:12This was made clear.
04:13You should ask Bilawal sir.
04:15No, no, absolutely not.
04:16And sir, today Mohsin Naqvi sir has come.
04:18When Maulana sir said,
04:20that it would have been treacherous to support Musawwida.
04:24So, what is Mohsin Naqvi sir here for today?
04:29I don't know.
04:30He is trying to diodize it.
04:31He is trying to turn it into a swamp.
04:32He is trying to turn it into a swamp.
04:34Okay.
04:35There was an innocent question, Mr. Kamran.
04:37I will also give an innocent answer.
04:39Yes, yes, sir.
04:40So, Bilawal sir has come.
04:41Of course, he has the representation of the People's Party.
04:43Shahbaz sir has come,
04:44the representation of the government and Noorli.
04:46So, Mohsin Naqvi sir,
04:47who is he representing?
04:49I don't know.
04:50He is representing us.
04:54Mr. Atif Khan is sitting.
04:55He is also smiling.
04:56So, Mr. Maulana was representing you.
04:59Mohsin Naqvi sir.
05:00Or maybe there is something related to cricket in Aaini Musawwida.
05:04Something about the Pakistan Cricket Board.
05:06Maulana is blessed.
05:07Maulana says that he is blessed.
05:10Okay.
05:11I thought maybe there is something related to cricket in Aaini Musawwida.
05:13So, maybe the cricket board chairman has come in this regard.
05:15Mohsin Naqvi sir.
05:18Okay.
05:19I will listen to your answer.
05:20So, sir, tell me this.
05:22Towards the end,
05:25is it possible that in the next 2-4 weeks,
05:28I am not defining a time period,
05:29but in the next 2-4 weeks,
05:31in any one of your drafts,
05:32the people's party should come to an agreement
05:34and move forward.
05:37When Murtaza called today,
05:38it is possible that he must have made something.
05:40Because Murtaza and I had a commitment
05:42that he will share his draft with me.
05:45And then I will give him my suggestions.
05:48So, I couldn't answer Murtaza's call.
05:50I saw it and his call came.
05:52If he says that I called
05:54and the camera didn't pick up,
05:55then it will be right.
05:57But at that time,
05:58I was driving the car.
06:00And then I got stuck in the office
06:02and professional commitments.
06:05So, I couldn't respond to him.
06:07And you, Mr. Kamran,
06:08what is important is that
06:10the decision of Article 36A
06:12should have been reversed
06:13through a constitutional amendment.
06:14That was not right.
06:16What I am saying is
06:17that it should have been reversed
06:19through a review,
06:20not through a constitutional amendment.
06:21Yes, absolutely right.
06:22And is it right
06:23to call this news in the media?
06:24It is absolutely wrong.
06:25Okay.
06:26It also had a consequence.
06:28Whatever came out of it,
06:29it is wrong.
06:30Everything was wrong.
06:31Right.
06:32But to clean one mistake
06:33or one filth,
06:34there shouldn't be another filth.
06:36And you think
06:37that the vote should be counted
06:39or the vote should also be counted
06:40and the person shouldn't be disqualified.
06:42Shouldn't both be counted?
06:43No, he is disqualified.
06:44His procedure is written.
06:45Right, but the vote should be counted.
06:47The vote should be counted.
06:49The reason for that is that
06:50there is no jurisdiction over it
06:52in the constitution.
06:53You cannot go beyond the constitution
06:55and say that
06:56this is not the job of the Supreme Court.
06:58Whether I want it or not,
06:59whatever is written,
07:00you will read that plain language.
07:02You will not put anything
07:03of your own accord in it.
07:04This news is going around
07:05that you and the PTI,
07:06Mr. Atif is also listening,
07:07the Ranma PTI,
07:08have made a condition
07:09to the government
07:10that first you should
07:11issue a notification
07:12to Mr. Mansoor Ali Shah
07:13as the next Chief Justice
07:14and then we will talk
07:15about the constitutional amendment.
07:16Have you made
07:17such a condition
07:18in your party, Mr. Kamran?
07:19As far as I know,
07:20it is not the case
07:21because I have been to Quetta.
07:22Absolutely right.
07:23I have not spoken
07:24to the Maulana
07:25since then.
07:28But when the Maulana
07:29rejected it today,
07:30then there is no question
07:31of making such a condition.
07:32Although,
07:33they usually
07:34take me in confidence.
07:35The last thing is
07:36that since yesterday
07:37Mr. Hamid Khan
07:38has made a statement
07:39and since yesterday
07:40there has been
07:41an announcement
07:42of a lawyer's movement
07:43from the Lahore High Court.
07:44He did not come
07:45against the amendment.
07:46As a lawyer,
07:47as a party,
07:48as a political party,
07:49do you support this?
07:51The thing is
07:52that the grouping
07:53between Vukla
07:54although I do not
07:55agree with
07:56my friends
07:57and those friends,
07:58that grouping
07:59I have a connection
08:00with the Asma Jahangir
08:01group.
08:02So,
08:03despite the fact
08:04that what is happening
08:05these days
08:06or the press release
08:07that came today,
08:08I do not agree
08:09with that.
08:10But my group
08:11is the same.
08:12I am not leaving
08:13my place.