On today's episode we're learning a lot more about cask trading as well as about a whole new way of profiling whisky flavours - by mood!
On this episode Rosalind takes a trip to her homeland of Fife to visit Single Cask. Established in 2010 Single Cask bottles award-winning whiskies at natural cask-strength and trades whisky all over the world. In an attempt to set themselves apart from other independent whisky bottlers they have invented a whole new marketing method which allows customers to select a dram based on how they are feeling. Rosalind gets a tour of their facility in Glenrothers by General Manager, Jan Damen followed by a whisky tasting and an opportunity to understand how you classify whisky by mood.
Rosalind learns more about how cask trading differs from cask investment and how some of the headlines around cask investment aren't all they're cracked up to be!
On this episode Rosalind takes a trip to her homeland of Fife to visit Single Cask. Established in 2010 Single Cask bottles award-winning whiskies at natural cask-strength and trades whisky all over the world. In an attempt to set themselves apart from other independent whisky bottlers they have invented a whole new marketing method which allows customers to select a dram based on how they are feeling. Rosalind gets a tour of their facility in Glenrothers by General Manager, Jan Damen followed by a whisky tasting and an opportunity to understand how you classify whisky by mood.
Rosalind learns more about how cask trading differs from cask investment and how some of the headlines around cask investment aren't all they're cracked up to be!
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00:00♪♪
00:05Hello, and welcome to Scran, the podcast passionate
00:07about the Scottish food and drink scene.
00:09I'm your host, Ros and Erskine.
00:11On today's episode, I'm learning a lot more
00:13about cash trading, as well as about a whole new way
00:15of profiling whiskey flavors by mood.
00:18♪♪
00:21It might steer you in a direction of, right,
00:24you know, I like these kind of playful whiskeys,
00:27so maybe I'll try another one out of that,
00:29and not be bound by an age or a particular flavor
00:35or a particular cask finish or distillery.
00:38It's more about the mood of the whiskey,
00:40the feeling it gives you.
00:42♪♪
00:45I took a trip to my homeland of Fife to visit Single Cask.
00:49Established in 2010, Single Cask bottles
00:51award-winning whiskeys at natural cask strength
00:54and trades whiskey all over the world.
00:57In an attempt to set themselves apart
00:58from other independent whiskey bottlers,
01:00they have invented a whole new marketing method
01:02which allows customers to select a dram
01:04based on how they're feeling.
01:06I wanted to learn more about this,
01:07but first, general manager Jan Damon gave me a mini tour
01:10of their facility in Glenrothes
01:12whilst we chatted about their business.
01:15♪♪
01:18The warehouse used to be a factory for shopping trolleys.
01:21Yeah, massive warehouse complex.
01:23But you can see all the little yellow lines.
01:26That's where they used to have shopping trolleys
01:28kind of piled up.
01:29But we chose it because it's a nice concrete,
01:31really hard-wearing floor
01:34which can take those 3,500 casks
01:36like you see before us.
01:38So we're in a big warehouse.
01:40There is a roller shutter door
01:42where the casks would come in and out, and I lift,
01:44and then we're looking through to the warehouse,
01:48and there's four shelves, and the casks are on their side,
01:52and there's just a few casks on each.
01:53So it's palletized, kind of,
01:56or it's sort of like traditional dunnage
01:57but also quite modern.
01:59Yeah, it's a racked warehouse.
02:01So, yeah, the racking goes four high,
02:04and we've chosen the racking
02:06because it gives easy access
02:07to all of the casks at any time.
02:10So if we want samples of any of the casks drawn,
02:13we can just go in there and take a sample of anything.
02:16If you have sort of more of the sort of palletized warehouse,
02:19it's just luckier to draw if you can actually get to it.
02:22Yeah, all of the casks that are here now,
02:24which is about, yeah, 3,500 are,
02:27I would say 85%, 90% are ours,
02:30and then we have a few casks that clients have bought from us
02:34but are still here maturing.
02:37So these are all casks that we have taken the liquid out
02:41for bottling.
02:43We do quite an extensive bottling program now.
02:47That's really why I started last year with the single cask.
02:52We always did a lot of cask trading,
02:56and we bottled some whiskey for our bar in Singapore,
03:01and also we've got quite a big business in Japan,
03:06which has been going for the last 14, 15 years.
03:09But we really wanted to ramp up our bottling site
03:12to get the single cask out to a lot of people
03:15and a wider audience.
03:18We've bottled about 60 casks since I started,
03:22and they've now gone to a lot of different countries.
03:25I think we've got about 60 casks that are empty
03:28just waiting to get new liquid into them.
03:30We tend to use them at most twice for maturing whiskey.
03:34And then, yeah, the rest of the warehouse
03:37is really liquid that we want to kind of get easy access to.
03:43As I said, most of our business is cask trading,
03:46so these casks will come in and go out quite quickly.
03:51So we might buy a batch of stock,
03:54which we then offer to our clients who then,
03:57if they buy it, as I said, some of it might stay here,
04:01but most of it then goes to their own warehouses.
04:04So how do you decide what to buy?
04:06We've got Ben, who's the owner of the company,
04:08together with Vincent,
04:10who's one of our sort of main sales team,
04:12really looking at what we have already, what's popular,
04:15obviously depends on price as well,
04:17whether or not it's a good price,
04:19if it makes business sense for us to move on.
04:22We also have a whiskey manager, Brendan.
04:24He will look at the portfolio of what we have,
04:27so something that complements that,
04:29or I have meetings with Brendan and say,
04:31right, we've got lots of whiskey, it's great,
04:33but we can really do with some of this flavor profile,
04:38this distillery, this age, this type of wood
04:40to kind of fit in what we might sell.
04:43And that could be something to sell this year,
04:46or it could be something to sell in 10 years.
04:48So it's quite a complex puzzle to fit everything in.
04:53And are you buying from distilleries?
04:55We're buying from distilleries,
04:57we're buying from other whiskey brokers, anywhere really.
05:01So we buy anything from New Make Spirit.
05:05So we have tankers of 29,000 liters of New Make Spirit
05:09that come directly from distillery,
05:11which we then transfer into big 1,000 liter vats
05:15and then put it into cask,
05:17or we buy two casks from someone who wants to sell it to us.
05:20So anything in between.
05:22It's a really interesting mix of different things
05:25that do come in here.
05:26I mean, in my previous jobs,
05:28I'd never seen a tanker of nearly 30,000 liters
05:32of New Make Spirit coming in the door.
05:35So with all that New Make Spirit,
05:37there's obviously a long-term plan there.
05:39Yeah, no, absolutely.
05:40The New Make Spirit, we will keep some of that for sure.
05:43The plan for New Make Spirit tends to be to sell it on.
05:47Because we've been operating for about 15 years,
05:50we have really good relationships with distillers
05:52and we're able to do that.
05:54Not everyone has got that opportunity.
05:58The whiskey world is a fantastic world of sharing.
06:02Obviously, there's a competitive side to it,
06:04but in the end of the day,
06:05it does feel like one big family
06:08that really wants to just get whiskey out there.
06:10For example, if you go a bit further into the warehouse,
06:14we've got a whole batch of sort of
06:15Holy Root casks lying there.
06:18And there's definitely a plan to keep those,
06:21or a bigger chunk of that for ourselves,
06:23because obviously that's quite an exciting new development,
06:26new spirit, new distillery.
06:27So that kind of spirit, we'll keep more of ourselves
06:31because we know that we can probably down the line
06:33sell a bit more of that.
06:34And I take it the New Make comes from
06:36probably newer distilleries who will sell it,
06:39because obviously well-established distilleries
06:40are not really going to sell their New Make.
06:43Well, you get a variety.
06:44We've got some other New Make from well-known distilleries,
06:50and even they will kind of sell it from time to time.
06:55Yeah, I mean, new distilleries will need to survive
06:59for at least, again, three, three, four, five, six years
07:03before they start bringing out their whiskey.
07:05So yeah, they will probably sell that a little bit easier
07:09than well-established distilleries,
07:11but it's not exclusively kind of new distilleries.
07:15And how do you decide what to bottle?
07:17It needs to be good whiskey.
07:18It needs to be really tasty, very high quality,
07:22but it also needs to be interesting,
07:24almost in a way that we want to distract
07:26or set ourselves apart from what you might find
07:29on the shelf already.
07:31We then take it to our taste master panel,
07:35and we all have a background in whiskey.
07:37Some people have been in whiskey for 30, 40 years.
07:40Some people really just started out
07:43because they have a passion for whiskey.
07:45Just mixed palates, mixed group of people
07:47who then sit together, taste the whiskey,
07:51and score the whiskey out of one to 10,
07:54but more importantly, give it a tasting note
07:56and add the mood category
07:58that we've introduced for our whiskeys.
08:01♪♪
08:04We spent another little while touring the factory,
08:06seeing where the bottling and packaging takes place,
08:09as well as where they store some more of the liquid
08:11and their products for shipping.
08:13Thirsty work.
08:14Happily, it was tasting time
08:16and an opportunity to understand
08:18how you classify whiskey by mood.
08:21♪♪
08:24Okay, so we're in a tasting room now,
08:26and we have got five whiskeys in front of us.
08:29We're going to taste them.
08:30But before we do, could you tell me a little bit
08:31about the profiling and how you've sort of suggested
08:35that it's about people's moods?
08:37Yes, you know, my background has been
08:40in single-caste whiskey for a long time,
08:43and the general idea of whiskey is always done by flavor.
08:48So what does the whiskey taste like?
08:50And there's the massive flavor wheels
08:53with 400 different segments,
08:55and these kind of things can be quite intimidating
08:58for people.
08:59It's like, well, do I need to be an expert?
09:01You know, does my nose need to be of a certain standard
09:04or my palate or whatever?
09:06And then there's obviously companies
09:08that are trying to kind of make that a lot simpler.
09:10Like, you know, the Whiskey Society
09:12has the 12 flavor profiles.
09:14A lot of other companies talk about
09:16the flavor in the whiskey.
09:18But when we thought about, okay,
09:21how can we make our whiskey more approachable?
09:24We obviously said the flavor of the whiskey
09:26is still important.
09:27When we have our taste masters try the whiskey,
09:30we say create a tasting note
09:32because we want to get people to understand
09:34what the whiskey tastes like.
09:36However, what we also want is people to be able
09:40to kind of get more about the character of the whiskey,
09:44about where the whiskey might take them,
09:46but also what do you feel like?
09:48What whiskey do you feel like drinking?
09:50You know, what mood are you in?
09:52Have you had like a really hard week?
09:55You just want to kind of sit down, relax,
09:58and just chill with a really nice whiskey?
10:00Or are you with a group of friends
10:03and you just want to kind of have a very sort of easygoing,
10:06easy drinking whiskey that is just right for the mood?
10:09Or do you just want something that, you know,
10:11smacks you in the face,
10:12that is really rich and powerful and strong
10:15because you're really kind of in a really great mood?
10:18So it's really all about,
10:20does this whiskey fit with the way
10:24that I'm feeling right now?
10:25Or, you know, do I, you know,
10:29do I want to feel in a certain way when I drink whiskey?
10:32Is this whiskey gonna do anything special for me?
10:35So what we've done is we've come up
10:36with five different moods.
10:38The five moods we settled on were cheerful, playful,
10:44curious, easygoing, and bold.
10:47A lot of them actually, you know,
10:48it does what it says on the tin.
10:50It's kind of, you can really imagine what it means.
10:54And that's what we wanted to go for.
10:55It's like not too complicated,
10:57not to, you know, not make it difficult
11:00for people to really understand it.
11:03But it's really kind of bringing that to life
11:05through whiskey.
11:07And obviously, like, you won't have a,
11:09given the nature of the business being single cash,
11:11you won't have a core range.
11:12So these will change.
11:13These whiskeys will change as they're available.
11:16Absolutely, absolutely.
11:17So we have now bottled two collections
11:22and all of those whiskeys have been placed
11:25into a mood category.
11:26So we've now got about 16 or 17 different bottlings
11:31that have been available.
11:32The nature of single cask is it's 100, 200 bottles,
11:37maybe more, but it's limited.
11:39And when it's gone, it's finished, it's gone forever.
11:42So you need to move on to the next whiskey.
11:44And the nice thing about this sort of categorization
11:47is that it might steer you in a direction of, right,
11:52I like these kind of playful whiskeys.
11:55So maybe I'll try another one out of that
11:57and not be bound by an age or a particular flavor
12:03or a particular cask finish or distillery.
12:06It's more about the mood of the whiskey,
12:08the feeling it gives you, the character of the whiskey.
12:12So people might kind of start making whiskey choices
12:17based on these mood categories.
12:20Nice, so will we try, can you be able to tell me
12:22what they are rather than have me guess?
12:25With our whiskey, we're not very secretive.
12:28So when you look at the bottles there,
12:33our labels tell you exactly what it is.
12:34So it tells you where it's from,
12:36it tells you how old it is, the date it was distilled,
12:39when it was bottled, who chose the whiskey.
12:42What you've got in front of you is five different whiskeys,
12:45so one for each mood.
12:47And these whiskeys are actually the five chosen whiskeys
12:50we have, a new product that we are launching in October,
12:53which is a tasting pack.
12:55So five samples of whiskey that will be available for people
12:59so to give an indication of what is each of these moods.
13:03The whiskey number one is from our cheerful category.
13:07The cheerful whiskey is really a whiskey
13:10that goes for any occasion.
13:11So this is a really good one to pick
13:14that most people will just really like.
13:16So this first whiskey is from Linkwood Distillery,
13:21Speyside Whiskey, actually won a gold medal
13:24at the Spirits Business Awards.
13:27So we're very, very proud of that one.
13:30If you nose it, it's just really a rich whiskey.
13:32It's got slightly sweet notes, a little bit of creaminess.
13:36It's got a beautiful mouthfeel, it's really smooth.
13:38Also of note, it's all cast strength.
13:41So be careful.
13:44Try not to cough.
13:45Careful to nose it and not dive in.
13:48You can really smell the creaminess, as you say.
13:51So the typical flavors written down here,
13:53first health, soft fruit, floral, vanilla, coconut,
13:55cereal, multi, toffee, gentle peat.
13:58Juicy, moreish, well-balanced whiskey
14:00for non-whiskey drinkers, which is always a good.
14:03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:04I think this one especially is,
14:06it is so approachable, it's lovely.
14:09But you kind of reading out those typical flavors,
14:13you go from light floral, creaminess,
14:17you get caramel, light smoke.
14:20So it's not your traditional kind of,
14:22well, that's peated whiskey, or that's caramelly whiskey,
14:25or that's light honey notes or whatever.
14:28But the mood, it is just kind of a very approachable,
14:33relaxed whiskey, but something that is still
14:36really versatile and approachable.
14:39That was really nice.
14:40I can see it's quite smooth.
14:42There was the coconutty element, I could taste that.
14:45And I could see it going down really well
14:47with people who don't like whiskey,
14:49or even in a highball or something,
14:50it was kind of, can hold its own.
14:53The next mood category is playful.
14:56So this is probably a little bit more energetic.
14:59So you probably get a little bit more
15:04happening in your mouth.
15:06So it gives you a bit more of a buzz,
15:08it gives you a bit more of a tingle, I suppose.
15:13This whiskey is sort of a slightly younger whiskey,
15:16it's nine years old, from Royal Bracla.
15:22This is a Highland distillery, and even in the nose,
15:25you can already kind of feel, this is slightly different.
15:28It's got that sort of earthy, mushroomy, grassy note,
15:32and it kind of goes like,
15:33wow, this is kind of really interesting.
15:35It's like, I'm gonna try something
15:37that's a little bit different.
15:39This is not your normal whiskey.
15:40It almost kind of invites you to go,
15:41oh, what's gonna happen next?
15:43And I know I'm gonna kind of be taken
15:45on a little bit of a roller coaster here.
15:49And again, it's just a little bit more interesting
15:51because when I kind of, in the middle of that,
15:54all of a sudden I got a waft of chocolate,
15:57which is like quite strange, didn't expect that.
16:01So you can see why, if you really kind of feel like,
16:04already I'm sitting here going,
16:05oh, you know, that's different.
16:07That's a little bit playful.
16:10So if you kind of, you get your mates around
16:14and you go around, let's try some whiskeys.
16:17This is really kind of gonna go,
16:20it's conversation provoking.
16:24And the good thing about whiskey is that you talk about it
16:27with whoever you're tasting whiskey with
16:29and nothing is stupid.
16:31And again, sometimes when you have all these flavor things
16:35going around and yeah, obviously there's so many
16:37really, really gifted people that get so many
16:40different flavors and smells and stuff like that.
16:45But this is just like, you know,
16:47bit of fun together with your friends.
16:50And that whiskey is, you know, the playful category
16:53is like, what do you get?
16:55What do you get?
16:55And it's really kind of very interesting drinking whiskey.
16:58It's a bit different.
16:59Yeah, so I get the kind of,
17:01I think it's kind of smells and tastes
17:03a lot like Maltesers.
17:05But on the nose, there's something more complex than that.
17:07It's almost like, I don't quite know.
17:09It's sort of like sweet or chocolatey.
17:11Do you want to smell it?
17:12I really like that whiskey.
17:14And I like it because the nose is different
17:18from the taste.
17:21And then the third one is probably taking that
17:23to the next level.
17:24If you're really gonna go for something that is,
17:27it's gonna test even your taste buds.
17:30And it's like, where's this whiskey gonna take me?
17:33The reason why we kind of put this mood profile in
17:39is because I was at a festival in Holland
17:42and I was with a colleague
17:43and he'd brought a bottle of whiskey.
17:45And this whiskey was, I think it was a Mortlach whiskey
17:48and it was really dark and rich.
17:51And it was a whiskey that started off
17:53with sort of chocolate brownie notes
17:56and kind of really sort of dark notes.
17:58And then all of a sudden he said,
18:00he hadn't said anything.
18:01And I was kind of thinking.
18:03And then he said, I see you've got it.
18:06And he said, you've got the green beans.
18:09And in it, there's like a dish in Holland,
18:12which is kind of like almost like a spicy green beans.
18:15It's got an Indonesian influence.
18:17And that was exactly what it was.
18:19And it's just like, all of a sudden
18:20you're thinking of chocolate brownies
18:22and then you get spicy green beans.
18:24And it just was fantastic.
18:26So this mood profile is if you really want
18:29to kind of go on this mad adventure,
18:31like this is out there.
18:33I don't know what I'm going to get.
18:35I'm really going to put my taste buds to the test here.
18:38I'm really going to kind of do something
18:40that I've not really tried before.
18:43And that's why we've got kind of this mood profile in there.
18:47This is Craig Allergy, it's a fantastic whiskey.
18:5115 year old, a little bit older,
18:53but it is really kind of this thought provoking whiskey.
18:56And it's curious.
18:58It is curious, yes.
19:00So all the moods are depicted by colors
19:02and an animal as well.
19:04Was that sort of to make it a bit more approachable?
19:06Yes, so the colors and the animals
19:09will feature on our label as well.
19:13That will come out with our next collection.
19:15For people that haven't seen our whiskey yet,
19:17we have a beautiful square bottle.
19:20It's kind of like a universal thing.
19:23Hopefully with the animals,
19:24we've kind of captured what the mood will say as well.
19:29Yes, I really like Craig Allergy.
19:30That was kind of started off quite earthy
19:32and then ended really sweet.
19:33Yeah, yeah.
19:34And I get really kind of almost like a tingly mouth feel.
19:38It's almost quite spicy at some point.
19:41♪♪
19:43Ian and I continue to sample the easygoing O'Thirst whiskey
19:47and the bold Williamson whiskey made by Le Froid,
19:50both of which stand up to their profiling
19:52and were enjoyable to drink.
19:54I think this manner of trying whiskeys
19:55would be particularly appealing to whiskey novices
19:58and provide a good opportunity to learn
19:59about the breadth of whiskey in a fun manner.
20:04Before I headed off, I wanted to learn more
20:06about the origins of the company,
20:07how cash trading differs from cask investment,
20:10and how some of the headlines around cask investment
20:12aren't all they're cracked up to be.
20:16Yeah, so that last one was very heavily pitted,
20:19but still quite sweet.
20:19But I can see why it would need to be someone
20:22who liked that style.
20:23But, yeah, having tasted them all side by side,
20:25you can see there's a definite musical categories there,
20:27and it's a wide range, and it's a really interesting way
20:31to approach single-cask whiskey,
20:32especially because it's not a market
20:34that people who don't really know whiskey
20:36would maybe feel comfortable going into.
20:38So, yeah, it's been very interesting.
20:40♪♪
20:45So, I started off as an independent bottler
20:46and obviously moved into focusing more on this single,
20:50pushing the single-cask as, like,
20:53the business side of things.
20:54Is that right? Is that sort of the timeline?
20:55The single-cask, star-struck, independent bottlers
20:5715 years ago, and then that's still what you do,
21:00but it's also along with the cask trading.
21:02Yeah, Ben and Cindy are the owners of the business.
21:05So Ben was working for a lot of different brands,
21:10different distilleries, mainly in Asia.
21:12So he had a real passion for whiskey
21:14and really started his own business
21:17as sort of a cask trading business.
21:19And almost at the same time,
21:22they opened a bar in Singapore called The Malt Vault.
21:26It's a very small bar where, you know,
21:29they wanted people to taste the whiskey.
21:31So we've been bottling whiskey ever since we started, really.
21:35We also almost at the same time had a business in Japan.
21:39So, again, a lot of our whiskey goes to Japan,
21:41and the Japanese markets works a lot with entree,
21:44so it's mainly found in many bars in Japan.
21:49And so the next 10 years, we did have a lot of our bottles
21:53going to various different retail places,
21:57but there hasn't been a lot of structure to that.
22:00So we tried to kind of pull it back,
22:02especially after the time we spent building this warehouse.
22:06It was kind of a good time to reset, look at a brand,
22:10sort of elevate the brand a bit.
22:12How do we do things different
22:13from all the other independent bottlers
22:14that are now out there?
22:16So the mood profiling is one of the different things
22:19that we kind of brought to the table
22:21and kind of started looking at going into different markets
22:24in a bit of a more structured way.
22:26Cask trading has kind of become in the headlines recently
22:30with companies springing up in promise
22:32and all kinds of things.
22:33So if people do want to come to you and buy cask,
22:36is that something they can do,
22:37or have you already got your kind of customer-based source
22:39to eat, because you know there's a lot of...
22:41Yeah, I mean, cask trading is slightly different
22:43from whiskey investment, cask investment.
22:47We don't do cask investments.
22:48We do trading and we really work exclusively
22:54on a business-to-business kind of approach.
22:56So it would always be other businesses
22:59that want to buy the cask from us.
23:01So we actually work a lot
23:02with different independent bottlers.
23:04So again, the whiskey world is quite a small world.
23:07So for example, if I go to the Fife Festival,
23:11there'll be people there
23:11that are actually buying cask from us.
23:13Obviously, my job now is to make sure
23:16that the best casks and the nicest casks
23:18and the most interesting casks stay with us
23:21and we bottle those.
23:22Whereas kind of the cask investments,
23:26you know, you got people that like it,
23:28you got people that don't like it.
23:31I think you just need to be careful
23:32what you get yourself into.
23:34You really need to make sure you read the small print.
23:37And I'm sure that a lot of sort
23:40of cask investment companies are great companies.
23:43Unfortunately, there are one or two
23:44that are just not that great.
23:45And they're ruining it for many others, so.
23:48And what are your future plans?
23:50Can you tell us anything about the next sort of six months?
23:53We just launched our second collection.
23:55So seven different whiskeys.
23:57So they'll be coming into shops shortly.
24:00We're working really hard to get sort of
24:02into a lot of different retail outlets.
24:05So we're starting to see more of our whiskey coming out.
24:07The next few months will be all about the whiskey festivals.
24:10There's a lot of whiskey festivals coming up.
24:13I'm going to the Netherlands
24:14in two weeks for a whiskey festival there.
24:17We're also at Moltstock,
24:18which is a different festival in Netherlands.
24:20We've got a big partnership coming up
24:22with our German distributor.
24:24There's a massive festival in January in Germany.
24:27So we've actually bottled nine casks for them,
24:30which are going to sell at the festival.
24:32And then, yeah, hopefully we can get distribution
24:35in the USA and China sorted, which will be massive for us.
24:40It might mean that there's maybe some different things
24:43we need to do for that.
24:45And then the other thing is really our fan club,
24:48our family fan club, our subscription.
24:50We're working hard on that.
24:52It's not sort of a membership club.
24:54Anyone can subscribe to the single cask on the websites.
24:57We keep informed about what we do.
25:00But these sample packs, the five whiskeys we've tried here,
25:04they'll become available to the subscribers exclusively.
25:08And when do you think the sample packs
25:10will become available?
25:10The sample packs will be available in October.
25:13So we're actually offering a couple of different options
25:17when people go to the subscribers area on the website.
25:20Thank you very much.
25:21You're very welcome.
25:22Very nice to have you here.
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