上田と女がDEEPに吠える夜 2024年9月24日 心の病を抱える患者は年々増加…メンタルヘルスとどう向き合う-芸能人の症例
上田と女がDEEPに吠える夜 2024年9月24日 心の病を抱える患者は年々増加…メンタルヘルスとどう向き合う-芸能人の症例
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00:00I recently found out that depression is a disease of the brain, and I was relieved when I was diagnosed with depression.
00:12What is the theme of tonight's deep talk?
00:15I was depressed for a long time when I was a student, so I couldn't enjoy the content outside.
00:23It's a kind of panic disorder. I panic when I eat with people, and I can't eat with people because I want to get out of here.
00:34Mental health is important to live life to the fullest.
00:39However, according to some data, the number of patients with mental illness is increasing year by year, and about 6 million people are suffering from various symptoms.
00:49So, the theme of tonight's deep talk is mental health.
00:54I used to think it was a mental illness.
00:59When the corona was terrible, I thought it was dirty wherever I touched, and I wanted to wash my hands all the time.
01:05Even if I put my smartphone on the table at a restaurant, I don't want to save money.
01:09There was a time when I suffered from insomnia.
01:13Even if I'm not there, the world is spinning, and my meaning of existence is only brain tax.
01:19I've been spending every day with that kind of feeling.
01:22I can't sleep for four or five hours in bed.
01:27I think it's like an adaptability disorder.
01:30When I prepare for the morning, it usually takes about three hours to finish in less than an hour.
01:36However, there is still no understanding of such a mental illness.
01:41It's an adaptability disorder, but my personality changes.
01:46I get angry easily, hit things, and hit people.
01:50Even if I talk to my friends, they say,
01:54I can't go back to the way I was.
01:57It was pretty hard.
01:59I'd like to go back to the way I was.
02:01So tonight, we're going to talk about mental health in depth.
02:06A night where parents and women talk in depth.
02:12This is a talk variety for adults with deep themes.
02:17Today, we're going to talk about mental health.
02:20Mendy, have you ever felt a mental illness?
02:23I thought it was a sleep disorder, so I was hospitalized.
02:28Even in the dressing room, when I take off my hair, it moves a lot.
02:32I'm worried when I'm anxious, so I go to the hospital.
02:35I was hospitalized for about half an hour.
02:37I put on various sensors, slept, and examined my lungs.
02:41As a result, there was nothing.
02:43I can sleep very well.
02:46Rather, I can sleep wonderfully.
02:49But just knowing that, I was able to get rid of my anxiety.
02:53It's important to know yourself.
02:55Mogami, have you ever had a mental illness in the past?
02:59I had a mental illness when I was an idol.
03:03There was a time when I couldn't do what I was doing before I got a job.
03:07There are a lot of photo shoots.
03:09I couldn't laugh.
03:11I said, I can't laugh today.
03:14I ran away.
03:16I've been busy all the time.
03:18If I'm a drummer, I have to remember the lines.
03:20But when I'm on stage, I have to remember the lyrics and dance.
03:24I panic a lot.
03:26I was at my limit.
03:28I left the group and went to the hospital.
03:30I was diagnosed with depression.
03:32You're at your limit.
03:34Sumire, have you ever had a mental illness?
03:37I think the most difficult time for me was when I had post-traumatic stress disorder.
03:43I was very stressed.
03:45I was very unstable.
03:47I was happy and sad at the same time.
03:50I think I was depressed when I was young.
03:54I see.
03:56I don't think so at all.
03:58Sumire, you're not like that.
04:01You're always cheerful.
04:05I'm serious.
04:07I thought so when we were shooting together.
04:10I don't care if I'm cheerful or not.
04:12We were drinking and discussing our worries.
04:16It was a serious discussion.
04:18I thought it was a variety show.
04:20Why are you pulling me?
04:23I thought you were facing everything straight.
04:28I thought I had to be a good mother to my baby.
04:33I think I had post-traumatic stress disorder, too.
04:36My hormone balance changed dramatically.
04:39A cheerful person around me had post-traumatic stress disorder.
04:44I was mentally unstable just before giving birth.
04:48I couldn't cheer up.
04:50You didn't have post-traumatic stress disorder when you were young?
04:53It's hard to say, but I didn't have it.
04:55Some people don't have it.
04:57But there are people like me.
04:59I'm not a cheerful person.
05:03I'm not like that.
05:05I think I'm depressed.
05:07But I've never been below that level.
05:09I thought a cheerful person like me would hurt those people.
05:15I've always been like you.
05:18I don't have depression.
05:20I thought I had a strong mentality.
05:23But I moved to Tokyo from Hokkaido three years ago.
05:27I got rid of my favorite books.
05:30I felt depressed.
05:32When I thought I would leave the house I had lived in, I felt sad again.
05:36It's called moving blues.
05:39I couldn't go up anymore.
05:44I had post-traumatic stress disorder.
05:46What kind of symptoms did you have?
05:49One day, when I was eating, I couldn't eat the side dishes.
05:54I brought them to my mouth.
05:56But I couldn't eat them.
06:00You couldn't move your hands?
06:02I couldn't put them in my mouth.
06:04I wondered what was wrong.
06:06Then I couldn't sleep.
06:08Then I started to think about many things in my head.
06:12I couldn't stop.
06:14I was getting tired.
06:16I couldn't move my hands.
06:18Do you get better naturally?
06:21When I get up in the morning, I go for a walk.
06:26I heard it's good to walk on a sunny day.
06:29After that, I got better at BTS.
06:32BTS?
06:34Are you a Korean idol?
06:36At that time, all my friends were into BTS.
06:39I wanted to get to know them.
06:41I wanted to learn their faces and names.
06:43Then I found three names.
06:46The group name, real name, and compatibility.
06:50I thought it was difficult.
06:52I studied hard and memorized it.
06:54I didn't have to worry about anything for about three hours.
06:57I was able to spend my time.
06:59You may have forgotten to relieve stress for an hour or two.
07:03But when you remember BTS, you get anxious again.
07:07I started to feel anxious.
07:11There were several reasons.
07:13If it wasn't for COVID-19, it would have been easier to move.
07:20I couldn't meet my friends because of COVID-19.
07:23I was anxious.
07:25If two or three things overlap, it's dangerous.
07:29I see.
07:31Don't you feel anxious when two or three things overlap?
07:34There may be anxiety that comes from physical discomfort.
07:37I dance because my body is cold.
07:40If I get hurt at work, I get anxious.
07:43At that time, I decided not to worry about it.
07:47I decided to keep it for a while.
07:50I'll do it when I can.
07:53I'm conscious of not thinking too much.
07:56How about you, Okubo-san?
07:58Do you have a bad mental state?
08:00I have a mental state.
08:02I'm always afraid.
08:04What if I can't get out of the oxygen capsule?
08:07I feel like I'm being pushed in.
08:10When I go to the hair salon and wash my hair, I put a gauze on my nose.
08:15What if I can't breathe because the gauze is in my nose?
08:19I'm worried about this.
08:22I hide my eyes even if I say I can take it off.
08:26I've had this symptom for a few years.
08:30I think it's a type that comes out when I'm tired.
08:34I see.
08:35How do you feel when you have a bad mental state?
08:41Especially when I came back to Japan when I was 20 years old,
08:45I didn't talk about mental health at all.
08:50I felt like I was taboo.
08:52Is it different in the U.S.?
08:54It's very open.
08:56Celebrities and entertainers talk about it normally.
09:00We introduce each other as counselors.
09:03It's like an introvert and an introvert.
09:07I go to counseling even if I'm not mentally ill.
09:15What about you, Ms. Mogami?
09:17Was it hard to talk to people?
09:20In Japan, people are treated as mentally ill people.
09:28I used to say negative things on social media.
09:33I was called a mental ill person.
09:35I think a lot of people think I'm a strange woman.
09:39When I have a bad mental state, people say I'm a mental ill person.
09:45It's hard to say.
09:47When I go to counseling, people say I'm different from ordinary people.
09:50I'm not a troublesome person.
09:52I think Japan has a strong tendency to put a label on it.
09:56Did you consult with Takinami when you had a bad mental state?
09:59If I went alone, it would be serious.
10:03So I told a few people.
10:05But it's hard to convey that I'm anxious.
10:11For example, I want to go to the hospital, but I'm anxious.
10:15What I'm anxious about is...
10:17What should I do if I get sick before I leave the house and go to the hospital?
10:21I'm worried about things I don't usually worry about.
10:24I'm starting to worry.
10:26So even if I tell them that,
10:28the person who heard it said,
10:30I don't think I'm anxious.
10:32But the fact that I'm anxious is a symptom.
10:36I was frustrated that I couldn't convey it.
10:39How did you consult with Takinami?
10:42Did the people around you understand?
10:44One of my close friends said,
10:46I don't have a mental illness.
10:49It's something that happens to everyone,
10:52so I don't think so.
10:54I wanted him to say,
10:56It's hard. Are you okay?
10:58I wanted him to support me.
11:00But he said,
11:02I'm not worried.
11:04I was a little hurt.
11:07I'm not good at studying, so I don't know this.
11:10What kind of diagnosis is there for depression?
11:14I got a brain wave.
11:16I got a brain wave.
11:18I answered a lot of questions on the computer.
11:20I answered a lot of questions on the computer.
11:22I looked at the frequency of the brain.
11:24I looked at the frequency of the brain.
11:26I recently found out that depression is a brain disease.
11:29I recently found out that depression is a brain disease.
11:31It's a number.
11:33When I was diagnosed with depression,
11:35I was relieved.
11:37Why?
11:39You don't want to be told that?
11:41It's a disease, but I can't handle it normally.
11:43I don't want to be treated like a handicap.
11:46What kind of diagnosis is there for depression?
11:47When I was diagnosed with depression,
11:50I was relieved.
11:52Why?
11:54I was weak, so I couldn't do it well.
11:57I was weak, so I couldn't do it well.
11:59I was blaming myself.
12:01When I was diagnosed with a brain disease,
12:03I was normal.
12:05Now I'm a little sick.
12:07There are various approaches.
12:09I thought it would be better if I did it.
12:11I thought it would be better if I did it.
12:14I see.
12:15I also went to a mental clinic.
12:17I was diagnosed with an aptial disability.
12:19I was diagnosed with an aptial disability.
12:21I'm going to fix my aptial disability.
12:23I feel like I can be more positive.
12:26I feel like I can be more positive.
12:28I'm the same as you.
12:30I'm relieved to be diagnosed.
12:33I see.
12:35When you're in that situation,
12:37Do you want to be told that?
12:39Do you want to be told that?
12:41But I don't want to be treated like a handicap.
12:43I don't want to be treated like that.
12:45I understand.
12:46It's a disease but I don't want to be treated like that.
12:50I want to be treated like,
12:51I'm fine, I'm fine.
12:52But if I go that far,
12:54I feel like I'm being handicapped.
12:56You're being avoided a bit.
12:58So, can I just call out to you
13:01and ask you to come over to eat or hang out?
13:04I think that's fine.
13:06But, in response,
13:07you can say,
13:08I'm sorry I can't come over because I'm not feeling well today.
13:11Some people use it as a guard.
13:14Some people say,
13:15I have this disease,
13:17and say, please understand.
13:20It may change depending on the person.
13:23In my case,
13:24my friend sends me a message every day.
13:30He sends me, how are you today?
13:33I say, I'm better than yesterday,
13:35but I'm still a little restless.
13:37It was great to be able to express my state in words.
13:44I was able to realize my current state.
13:47You can look at it objectively.
13:49That's right.
13:50And I'm glad that my friends have been with me for a long time.
13:56I think that was a great support.
13:59It's better to think of it as mutual.
14:01Just because the timing is different,
14:03you may have come earlier.
14:05I may come a few years later,
14:07so I'd like to ask you to take care of me.
14:09Mr. Ueda says good things.
14:11That's right.
14:13I was a little surprised.
14:15If you're worried, you can talk to him.
14:17You can be more active.
14:19On the contrary, if you don't want to go out,
14:22you can say, come to my house,
14:24or Uber,
14:25and chill together.
14:27That's fine.
14:28I said that.
14:30Does that make it easier to come to your house?
14:33You can talk to him.
14:35And exercise.
14:37Oh, exercise.
14:39I take a walk in the morning.
14:41I have a routine.
14:43If I get on it,
14:45I can get used to it as usual.
14:47I think rhythm is very important.
14:49That's what I thought.
14:51How did you get over it?
14:53Did you exercise?
14:54I think I had postpartum depression.
14:57When my daughter was born,
14:59I had to get up in the morning.
15:02I had decided on my daily routine.
15:04When my daughter started walking,
15:06I thought it would be nice to go for a walk together.
15:09When I lost my stamina,
15:11I couldn't keep up with my daughter.
15:13So I started exercising.
15:15I do kickboxing and pilates.
15:21When I started doing that,
15:23I had more time to get better.
15:25I started meditating.
15:28Meditation is to focus on breathing.
15:32There is an app that tells you positive words.
15:38People tend to get depressed
15:40when they think about the past
15:42and the future that hasn't happened yet.
15:44People tend to get depressed
15:46when they think about it.
15:48So they tend to remember
15:50what they should have said
15:52or what they should have failed.
15:54When you go home and think about it at night,
15:56it leads to a mental disorder.
15:59You can't change what happened in the past.
16:02So you try to cut it off as much as possible.
16:04You don't know what the future holds
16:06because it hasn't happened yet.
16:08So you try to be aware that
16:10it's useless to think about it.
16:12I think this is a training for thinking.
16:14When you become aware of it,
16:16you become positive.
16:19What kind of app is that?
16:21I don't need it.
16:22I don't need you.
16:23I thought you wanted to meditate.
16:25I also do meditation.
16:27It's a cranky exercise.
16:29I write down what I want to do
16:31with my body in the morning.
16:33I think I can do it today.
16:35I try to do it for 5 minutes.
16:37But when I do it,
16:39it changes.
16:41I don't have a strong theory.
16:44But I can't help thinking about
16:46what I can't control.
16:48For example, I can control
16:50what I do on Sunday.
16:52Even if I do this job,
16:54I can't control it
16:56by myself.
16:58I try not to think about
17:00what I can't control.
17:02But I can't help thinking about it.
17:04I think that's where
17:06the difference in temperament comes out.
17:08I think Wakatsuki and Ueda
17:10are conscious of
17:12that day until that day.
17:14I want to raise the viewing rate.
17:16I'm not like them.
17:18I'm not like them.
17:20Wakatsuki, do you think about
17:22the future 10 years later?
17:24No, I don't.
17:26I think I have to do something.
17:28I took a year off
17:30from the entertainment industry.
17:32You have no pride.
17:34You have no pride.
17:36You have no pride.
17:38But I have to do something.
17:40If you don't know what's ahead,
17:42you should connect
17:44the meeting in front of you.
17:46We're waiting for your favorite
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17:50We're looking for your concerns.
17:52We're looking for your concerns.
17:54It's hard to say to your family and friends,
17:56but if you have any concerns
17:58you want to consult with Ueda and the women,
18:00please contact us.
18:02I took a year off from the entertainment industry.
18:04At that time,
18:06I was very nice to my seniors.
18:08I took a year off from the entertainment industry
18:10and lost my job.
18:12I thought these people would
18:14let me eat.
18:16So I stopped for a year.
18:18I was nice to my seniors
18:20You have no pride.
18:22You have no pride.
18:24But I have to do something.
18:26If you don't know what's ahead,
18:28you should connect
18:30the meeting in front of you.
18:32Is it rational?
18:34I think there's a big difference
18:36between people who can think
18:38and people who can't think.
18:40I think there's a big difference
18:42between people who can think
18:44and people who can't think.
18:46I think it's better to think
18:48and to concentrate on one thing.
18:50I can change my mind
18:52and think.
18:54I can change my mind
18:56and think.
18:58I'm sure there's a big difference.
19:00I'm sure there's a big difference.
19:02I think it's better
19:04to be critical
19:06to make a more fulfilling life.
19:08I think it's better
19:10to be critical
19:12to make a more fulfilling life.
19:14I think it's a matter of personal choice.
19:16Hmm, I see.
19:18How was it for you, Menryu?
19:19I'm on the side of Wakatsuki-san and Ueda-san,
19:22but like Momogami-san said,
19:24I think it's important to know that there are people who are different,
19:28and I hope we can acknowledge each other and make a better world.
19:32Next time, we'll talk about sexual orientation.
19:35If two people are naked and say,
19:37even in a situation like this,
19:38stop!
19:39Okay, okay, then it's over.
19:41I think that's sexual orientation.
19:43If you stop, you have to stop.
19:45Look forward to it.