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Sindicatos de docentes y personal no docente universitario llevan a cabo un paro en todas las universidades públicas del país, en reclamo de aumentos salariales y el derecho a la Universidad pública.
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Sindicatos de docentes y personal no docente universitario llevan a cabo un paro en todas las universidades públicas del país, en reclamo de aumentos salariales y el derecho a la Universidad pública.
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00:00The numbers on the table, what do universities need today to continue to function?
00:04Put the one you have, the one that can give you the solution on the other side.
00:08What would you say to it?
00:10Look, Guillermo, very good question.
00:13What I would say is that we seriously discuss what model of university we want as a country
00:17and what we aspire to as a society.
00:19This model of free public university, daughter of the reform of 18,
00:23daughter of university freedom in 49,
00:27I mean, that model of university gave us five Nobel Prizes, the only university in Latin America.
00:32Today, the international rankings come out that we are all proud of.
00:37Well, that society, on April 23, went out to defend it, to show that this is the model of university it wants.
00:43So what we need is that we seriously discuss, that we sit down to see with the government
00:48what model of university they propose to us.
00:50Because what we see is that there is a systematic attack on university education,
00:54which is expressed in the drowning of the budget.
00:57And we are the unions who end up arguing for our salaries.
01:01But in reality there is a drowning of the entire university budget.
01:04You spoke very well when this started,
01:07that the discussion was wanted to run to the side of corruption.
01:12When the whole issue began, I remember, it attacked the university sector at all levels.
01:17Then he spoke of corruption, which clearly impacts the authorities, right?
01:22It was a test, it was just to say it.
01:24The teachers, if you remember, spoke that we indoctrinated,
01:28and that there was indoctrination in the classrooms.
01:30I say, Sturzenegger and Caputo are people trained in our public university.
01:35So it seems to me that talking about indoctrination is strange.
01:38And the students, and the students were attacked by cutting the scholarships to progress.
01:43Today, a scholarship to progress, Guillermo, to get an idea, is 35,000 pesos.
01:49The costs of transportation, which tripled.
01:51The costs of food, which tripled.
01:54The notes.
01:55I want to know how a student who wants to progress in his life,
01:59having an opportunity through university education,
02:02with this idea of social ascent,
02:04to be able to achieve it with 35,000 pesos a month,
02:07which would be the scholarship for the most needed student sectors.
02:10So that's why I say, let's discuss seriously.
02:12That's why, Emiliano.
02:13As we are standing today, there must be a positive response from the government.
02:18Let's see.
02:19The summary would be that universities cannot continue to function?
02:24That's how you say it.
02:26I say, they are going to work with many problems, Guillermo.
02:29I say, the director of our hospital of clinics told me the other day,
02:32with the number of patients that are attended,
02:34with the number of people.
02:36I say, surely, in what we are talking about now in this conversation,
02:40and in the audience,
02:42there is a person who knows, who knows,
02:45or who once herself was sent to take a second opinion in the hospital of clinics.
02:50Well, this is with a budget,
02:51and that budget has to be correct for the time to come.
02:55The government, I say, yesterday issued a statement
02:58establishing 270% of human capital,
03:02which increased the operating expenses
03:05after the March of April 23,
03:07leaving aside all the rest of the university system,
03:10of the university budget,
03:12including salaries, extension, research,
03:15only operating expenses.
03:16Now, if I see the accumulated inflation of this same period,
03:20of the government of Javier Milley,
03:22because the 270 was from end to end last year.
03:24Of course.
03:25This period already has 144% of accumulated inflation,
03:29and we have not been able to sit down and discuss that.
03:32That's why I say, it's not just a matter of salaries.
03:34Here there is an attack on university public education,
03:37which is what I was explaining to you before,
03:39and what I put in the manifesto,
03:40and we believe that society will put it in the manifesto again
03:43on October 2,
03:45calling and going out to the streets again
03:47to defend this model of public university.
03:49Emiliano, let me add Jorge Ambro,
03:51who is the secretary of FATUM,
03:53which is the Argentine Federation of National Universities,
03:55by Zoom.
03:56How are you, Jorge?
03:57How are you?
03:58How are you?
03:59Nice to be with you.
04:00Likewise.
04:01Hi, Emiliano.
04:02Describe to us the situation you live in.
04:05Yes, yes.
04:06A little.
04:07Emiliano just said it well.
04:09What is happening, obviously,
04:11is a problem that this government has with the university.
04:14The workers, both teachers and non-teachers,
04:17had the most brutal adjustment
04:19since the democracy of this part.
04:21Today it is almost 60% that we have lost
04:24in relation to inflation.
04:25And this causes,
04:27you were just asking if the university
04:29is going to be able to continue working.
04:31It is not going to be able to continue working
04:33in this way,
04:34because there are many teachers
04:36who are starting to emigrate.
04:38There are many scientists,
04:40researchers,
04:42who are leaving their jobs
04:44because, unfortunately,
04:46with hungry wages,
04:47which are below the level of poverty
04:49and some below the level of indigence,
04:51they also leave their places and emigrate.
04:53You say, Jorge, sorry,
04:54they emigrate to private universities,
04:56they go to other countries.
04:58A little of everything.
05:00There are many scientists
05:02who are leaving our country
05:04and others go to universities
05:06or private activities
05:08because it is impossible to sustain themselves.
05:10With wages, I insist,
05:11more than 70% of university teachers
05:14are below the level of poverty.
05:16More than 45% of non-teachers
05:19are below poverty
05:21and we have teachers and non-teachers
05:23below indigence.
05:24Never in the history of Argentina
05:26has a situation like this happened.
05:27When Mauricio Macri in the campaign
05:29for universities everywhere,
05:31in reference to the public universities
05:33that were created in many municipalities
05:35of the Conurbano, above all,
05:37the budget that these universities
05:39that were created in the last years
05:41consume,
05:43does it harm the budget of the UGA?
05:45No, not at all, not at all.
05:47The number of universities has grown.
05:50It is very true,
05:51more than 25 universities have been created
05:53in the government of Néstor and Cristina
05:55and this has made it possible
05:57but thousands and thousands of children,
06:00of workers, of families
06:02who could never enter the university,
06:04today they are in the university
06:05and many have been able to receive.
06:07It does not harm at all
06:08the budget of the UGA in any way
06:10because the growth of each university
06:11implied the growth of the university budget.
06:14The problem is that now,
06:15with this government,
06:16we are seeing how this growth
06:18is going permanently backwards.
06:22And look, the best demonstration,
06:24forgive me a single quotation,
06:25the best demonstration is what came out last night
06:27in the media,
06:28where it seems that the government
06:29has a project
06:30so that the public universities
06:32of the whole country
06:33stop depending on the provinces,
06:34as they say in the government of Menem,
06:36with the primary and secondary schools.
06:38This is an attack
06:39on university autonomy,
06:41it is something that no government,
06:43not even a military government,
06:44dared to do.
06:46This shows what Emiliano said,
06:48that the financial and economic problems,
06:50that the deficit is zero,
06:51is a lie,
06:52it is a farce.
06:53In the case, at least, of the university.
06:55They are attacking public universities
06:57because in the model of the country
06:59that this government has,
07:00public universities
07:01not only do not work for them,
07:03but they harm them.
07:04Well, precisely at that point,
07:06Jorge, good morning, and Emiliano too,
07:09I wanted to ask both of you
07:11why the government has been flirting
07:14for a long time
07:15with being able to arrange
07:17what universities are.
07:19How do you see that scenario?
07:20Is it viable?
07:21Is it viable?
07:22Does it leave people out?
07:24No, of course not.
07:25Last night they also said that.
07:27The second proposal
07:28was to pass it to the province,
07:29and the second was to cancel it.
07:31That's what they always wanted to do.
07:33They are bleeding the university
07:35so that the university starts to shrink
07:37and has to cancel it
07:38in the only way that can work.
07:40The director of the hospital clinic
07:41the other day in El Abrazo said it.
07:43We have no choice.
07:45Today the hospital works 50%.
07:48We have no choice
07:49but to charge social workers
07:51so that the hospital can have the money
07:53to function.
07:54And in that way,
07:55many homeless people,
07:56as they are called,
07:57people who do not have social work,
07:58will not have beds
07:59because they will have to be occupied
08:01with beds that pay
08:02those who go to social work
08:03or prepay them.
08:04That is the model they have.
08:06Cancelation does not work.
08:07I wanted to...
08:08I want to...
08:09Sorry, because...
08:10I wanted to add...
08:11Yes, Emiliano,
08:12I want to ask you something.
08:13Regarding this...
08:14Go ahead, go ahead.
08:16No, what I wanted to add
08:17regarding this
08:18is the model of the university.
08:20Yesterday,
08:21in the Superior Council,
08:22the dean of aeronomics
08:24said that,
08:25in this last period,
08:2630 teachers had to resign
08:28because it was no longer useful
08:29to come and teach.
08:31The dean of veterinary
08:32said that,
08:33in this last period,
08:3410 teachers resigned.
08:36And the vice-rector
08:37of our university
08:38said in the session
08:39of the Superior Council
08:40that private universities
08:41today approach
08:42the best teachers
08:43of economic sciences,
08:44which is the faculty
08:45where our vice-rector comes from,
08:47offering them
08:48two or three times
08:49the salary
08:50that the public university
08:51is offering.
08:52So, I say,
08:53clearly,
08:54there is a deterioration
08:55of the quality of teaching,
08:56but because there is
08:57a policy decided
08:58to go against
08:59the public university model.
09:00Emiliano,
09:01to close,
09:02and appealing to your synthesis,
09:03right?
09:04A couple of weeks ago,
09:05I read
09:06in a new controversy
09:07about how the university
09:08paid the expenses
09:09and said,
09:10I read the text,
09:11that the UBA did not pay
09:1380% of the expenses
09:14between 2015 and 2023.
09:16Is this true?
09:18Look,
09:19once again,
09:20the Ministry of Human Capital
09:21lies.
09:22It lies
09:23as every time
09:24we generate
09:25some kind of proposal
09:26or protest
09:27regarding what is happening,
09:28it brings out
09:29messages
09:30where it does not finish
09:31telling the truth
09:32and they are all half-truths.
09:33Again,
09:34with this
09:35that is being done,
09:36it attacks the university,
09:37it attacks its authorities,
09:38it attacks each
09:39of those
09:40we represent
09:41within the university,
09:42slandering
09:43or spreading false
09:44or incorrect
09:45messages
09:46in part.
09:47And with that,
09:48what it does
09:49is divert
09:50the discussion
09:51of the model
09:52of the university
09:53it wants to discuss
09:54so that we can
09:55discuss issues
09:56that have to do
09:57with the situation,
09:58for example,
09:59whether the operating
10:00expenses are paid
10:01or not,
10:02when the government
10:03does not update
10:04the expenses.
10:05So,
10:06I think
10:07we have to learn
10:08that this is a government
10:09that,
10:10regarding
10:11university education,
10:12lies to society
10:13with what it says
10:14and what it does
10:15to society.
10:17Thank you for your time.
10:18Greetings to the audience
10:19and a big greeting to Jorge.
10:20Hugs, Emiliano.
10:21Goodbye.