👉 En medio de la tragedia que dejó muertos y desastre en Villa Gesell, surgen sospechas de corrupción relacionadas con el estado de los edificios. Se investiga el papel del arquitecto encargado del mantenimiento, ahora funcionario municipal.
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00:00This is the clinical history of a tragedy that we are going to see.
00:05Surely it could have been avoided.
00:08The dead, the disaster and of course the panic that is flying over the Argentine coast.
00:14From the moment people start looking up, not to the sky,
00:21they look at the buildings and say, this is not right.
00:24And look at what happened in Villa Gesell.
00:26A sort of panic begins, very close to the season.
00:30We are going to tell you, with Bobby in exclusive,
00:33all the concrete information of the file,
00:38which develops according to Bobby,
00:42of a suspicion of corruption behind the tragedy.
00:45What do you have?
00:46Yes, because we are going to review.
00:48The big question is, what were they doing?
00:51And also, what did they do before in this building?
00:54Because buildings of the same characteristics, even with deterioration.
00:58Also with deterioration, because this area, the entire coastline of Argentina,
01:03begin to age the buildings and enter an age range like people.
01:10At a certain moment, a decline begins, which is accompanied by age.
01:15Well, the same thing happens to the buildings.
01:17But especially in a place where the sludge, the erosion, the wind,
01:22the rain, the thermal amplitude between cold and heat,
01:26is producing a deterioration that is much greater.
01:28So, we are going to be reviewing.
01:32I'm short there, right?
01:33You are half, you shrunk.
01:35No, I shrunk.
01:36The pill is small, Tommy.
01:37There it is, there it is.
01:38But no, there it is, I'm small, right?
01:40It's weird.
01:41Well, I'll get used to it.
01:42I'm like the colored grasshopper that took the pill.
01:45There we are, we are accommodating.
01:48We have data of what has to do with what they were doing
01:52and who put the hook on that situation.
01:54Of course, fundamental.
01:55And who didn't put the hook on it.
01:57Because we already told you that in this story there is an architect
02:00who was an official and then appears working in Dubrovnik.
02:04Of course.
02:05Then we have an architect who worked linked to Dubrovnik,
02:08he even put a little sign there with his name and today he is an official.
02:12And then one who did not appear anywhere,
02:15but when the workers declared, it was the one that everyone said,
02:18no, no, the one I knew and the one I even told about the intimacy,
02:21my reference was Bonavita.
02:23Let's see, this is the clinical history of the tragedy,
02:25let's say the bitácora too, in a way,
02:27regarding Dubrovnik.
02:29Yes, yes, yes.
02:30Let's start from the top,
02:33when it is necessary, so that people can accompany him,
02:36what we tell him, if he needs to go, he puts it in full,
02:38if not, we tell him from here.
02:40November 9, 2022.
02:44It is the only thing immediately before the date of the collapse
02:49that we find made in this building.
02:53November 9, 2022.
02:55We are talking two years before, practically, right?
02:59Almost a little less, one year and eight months, nine months.
03:03Well, what is there?
03:04There is a technical uniform,
03:06that if we come here to the right,
03:08the penultimate column to the right,
03:10look what appears there.
03:12There it is, the one of the poster.
03:15He is the architect of which there was a poster
03:18that appeared taken out.
03:20That I say again, in the information that I handle,
03:23different from that of other journalists,
03:25the poster was there until 2023.
03:28In other words, the firefighter would not have taken it out.
03:30I do not have the information that the firefighter architect has gone
03:33and has hung it up in the middle of the rescue tasks.
03:36I do not have that information.
03:38If anyone else has it ...
03:39Although that was also raised by Coco himself,
03:43the last name of the man who is related to the hotels,
03:46he has the information.
03:47Well, it does not matter.
03:48Let's put it on hold.
03:50But if he appears signing and what tasks?
03:53Tasks that are facade status.
03:55In fact, facade status appears little.
03:58Check the painting, the coating.
04:01No, it is vital in any old building,
04:05even those who have a PhD here in the city of Buenos Aires,
04:07have to present this to an architect.
04:09Because it has to do with the openings,
04:12with the balconies,
04:14with the balconies,
04:16with the ornaments,
04:17the ornamentations that sometimes,
04:19constructions that are from another time
04:21and have there some openings of the facade.
04:24It has to do with that.
04:25And in a place like Villa Gesell,
04:26it is something sensitive.
04:27And above all balconies.
04:29Well, as a result of that,
04:31that it was he who made that presentation in 2022,
04:34much earlier,
04:36the other appears.
04:37Let's go to another document,
04:38that here we have it.
04:40Sorry Bobby, I do not want to mix,
04:43but here the project of the elevator appears.
04:45Yes, but stop, you're skipping two years.
04:47No, I'm skipping, that's why.
04:48Let's go fast, let's go fast.
04:49This is 2022, then we go there.
04:51Well, the production will tell me.
04:53Where?
04:54Here it is, behind you.
04:56And there we are also putting it on the full screen.
04:58This is the act.
04:59As a result of the statement,
05:01then,
05:02there is a confirmation act
05:04dated August 25, 2023,
05:10that as a result of that,
05:12and there Celiki appears,
05:14who is now an official,
05:15who is now an official,
05:17there he appears telling what he did.
05:20And eye inspection is practiced,
05:23from the public road,
05:25the effects of finding out,
05:27what was observed,
05:29what was done,
05:30by the architect Sergio Celiki,
05:32in the file such,
05:34verifying that,
05:35and what is detected?
05:36The left facade is detected
05:38on the fourth floor,
05:40manpostery detached,
05:42on the edge of a window.
05:45That is detected.
05:46That is detected and marked,
05:48because it can fall on your head.
05:49And it is marked to the architect,
05:51who is now an official,
05:53and it is marked in 2023.
05:55Let's go back.
05:56The left facade is detected
05:58on the fourth floor,
06:00manpostery detached,
06:02on the edge of a window.
06:04It is not a minor issue.
06:05No.
06:06Also,
06:07let's go to the direction,
06:09to the effects of...
06:11Taking a look, taking a look.
06:12Taking a look,
06:13and it continues,
06:14and a copy is added.
06:15Copy, yes.
06:16Well,
06:17since here they are telling you,
06:18about the architect,
06:19who intervened in that case,
06:20in the hotel,
06:21in aspects of the facade,
06:23which includes the issue
06:24of openings and balconies,
06:25and who is now a municipal official,
06:27appointed in the month of April,
06:29almost by chance,
06:30who is in charge of the hotel,
06:32the new owners,
06:33were telling that architect,
06:35hey,
06:36here you have openings,
06:37be careful,
06:38that here there are things to do.
06:40That,
06:41seen from the outside,
06:42in principle.
06:43Exactly.
06:44Because as you know,
06:45while we continue to analyze this document,
06:46that in the meantime,
06:47a large number of buildings
06:49on the coast
06:50are reaching our phones,
06:52which begin with these same,
06:54at least in the view of the whole world,
06:56today,
06:57everyone is looking up,
06:58and they observe.
06:59And at that moment,
07:00Bobby,
07:01they must have seen the same.
07:02Yes,
07:03and we are going to show you,
07:04if later we make time,
07:05I don't want to drive the production crazy,
07:06some facades of buildings.
07:07Because this that you say,
07:08that who is going to rent,
07:09or who is going to prepare the apartments
07:10to rent for the season,
07:12they are all looking up.
07:14They are all looking up.
07:16There are some,
07:17that you go out,
07:18for a very nice coastline,
07:19that Villa Gesell has now,
07:20which is made of deck wood.
07:22Yes.
07:23They had to make it,
07:24where before there was a car coastline,
07:25and today there is no car coastline,
07:27because also another thing,
07:28that is not talked about,
07:29is how the erosion is eating beach,
07:31and how it is losing beach.
07:33Well,
07:34there is a coastline,
07:35that you go out for a walk,
07:36a jog,
07:37whatever you want,
07:38to walk a dog,
07:39and you start to see the deterioration,
07:40that they have in some buildings.
07:41The wood,
07:42but you see it in the wood,
07:43when you look up.
07:44No,
07:45in the concrete,
07:46in the concrete.
07:47Of course.
07:48But there is the sight of anyone,
07:49who is not even a specialist.
07:50Of course, yes, yes.
07:51Today this topic,
07:52is a very sensitive topic.
07:53Very strong.
07:54Before,
07:55here you see that it says,
07:56remodeling work,
07:57and it has a date,
07:58September 19th.
07:59Yes.
08:00Of course,
08:01this has a previous history,
08:02and here other lawyers appear,
08:03other architect signatories.
08:04We are going to show,
08:05Juli,
08:06and the production,
08:07the other document that we have,
08:08which is one that is already known,
08:09by the people,
08:10because from the outside,
08:11on August 20th,
08:12of 2024,
08:13they warn,
08:14hey,
08:15here is a work,
08:16there are boulders,
08:17they are working,
08:18you hear noise,
08:19from the street,
08:20the neighbors complain,
08:21they come in,
08:22and take out material,
08:23like crazy,
08:24but there is no work notice,
08:25there is no sign,
08:26there is no QR,
08:27there is nothing.
08:28Then,
08:29they notify,
08:30the owner,
08:31Tol Dubrovnik,
08:32because they do not have it,
08:33determined,
08:34the formula is that they put it like this,
08:35that it must immediately stop,
08:36the work,
08:37that is being done,
08:38until it has authorization,
08:39from the municipality.
08:40They were doing,
08:41what they wanted,
08:42without authorization.
08:43They sign it,
08:44and the next day,
08:45the next day,
08:46the next day,
08:47the next day,
08:48the next day,
08:49the next day,
08:50the next day.
08:51They sign it,
08:52a municipal official,
08:53and who receives it?
08:54Sergio Paco,
08:55Sergio Paco Laura,
08:56one of the 4 albaniles,
08:57of the 4 first arrested,
08:58of the ones who managed to escape,
08:59and survive the collapse.
09:00Well,
09:01of the 4,
09:021 was the contractor,
09:0333 years old.
09:04The rest were,
09:05one of the 66 the father,
09:06and two others.
09:07Wait,
09:08Bobi,
09:09give me a second,
09:10here there is not a lot of doubt,
09:11it leaves this document
09:12without much doubt,
09:13what it tells the owner.
09:14To paralyze.
09:15The owner,
09:16paralyzed.
09:17That's why,
09:18I don't know if they had any doubts, because apparently they continued.
09:23They continued. What does he tell you? Because what does he do?
09:25Paco takes the bait, the contractor, of being the Christian who was there.
09:29He signs it, then quickly grabs the phone.
09:32Who does he talk to? Because this is the key. Who does he talk to?
09:35Of course, he talks to Bonavita.
09:37For all of them, the firefighter architect, for you to locate him,
09:40the one who was last detained and is still detained, who is from Madariaga,
09:44well, they tell him, because he is the one they are in contact with.
09:47And there is the one who issues the order of you, until a new order comes from above.
09:52From above, who is supposed to be? The owner.
09:54But excuse me, for you, excuse me, I have no doubts in this notification,
09:59but here it clearly says, the owner of the Dubrovnik hotel has to be paralyzed.
10:04Bonavita is not the owner.
10:06No.
10:07I want to give you...
10:08Okay, but the simple contractor, Güell Albanil,
10:11does not have the phone number of the businessman and of the whole office.
10:14No, but I understand that Bonavita does.
10:16He communicates with him.
10:17Of course, of course.
10:18Very good.
10:19What is supposed to happen is that Bonavita has to say, first, as an architect,
10:22say, well, okay, perfect, let me put the papers in order, leave everything.
10:27No, no, what they tell you, enough, is, go on, go on, let's not stop anything,
10:32the days are already paid, the work has to be finished on time, we have to get to the summer.
10:37Then he tells him, go ahead, the one who gives him the order.
10:40Yes.
10:41If the order does not come from above, from above, yes, they would be the owners.
10:44And he has to take care of telling him.
10:46And when we talk about above and the owners, attention,
10:48because we have exclusive information here on A24,
10:52in who, when, where, we will be in direct contact with the person who is defending the owner,
11:00the one they keep in the shadows for now, hidden.
11:03But we have the images of the businessman.
11:06This later...
11:07They will coincide, sorry, Bobby, they will coincide with the images of the security cameras
11:11of Villa Gesell, going in the weeks, at least until September,
11:15to meet in a truck or in the same hotel as Bonavita.
11:18The images that we are going to show you in minutes will coincide with the information that is coming to us.
11:23They assure us that the businessman is in shock,
11:26that he is isolated at the moment and the businessman's version is coming.
11:32I want to make this parenthesis to you and I want to go back to what we can say,
11:37radiography, to the clinical history of this building.
11:42Let's go back, let's just do this paragraph that the production proposes to us,
11:45to also give it human dimension, not to forget about this.
11:48We go and we come from the papers and we have papers to continue going through the clinical history of this building,
11:53because this has responsible people, but it also has victims.
11:56And we all wait for the miracle and the miracle did not come.
11:59And we are going to tell you, by name and last name, who are some of those victims.
12:02Let's go now, please, guys, from this plate.
12:05There we are, yes, there they are all.
12:07Let's put the faces.
12:09I'm going from here, because if not, this is a name and nothing else.
12:14When we talk about the other again, they have to take care of these lives,
12:19of the families they left behind.
12:21Federico Cioccino, 84 years old, tourist from Valcarce.
12:25He is the first deceased, that's why I'm going from here.
12:28Yes, yes, in chronological order.
12:30The one who was in the building next door is the one that now we have the testimony of his wife,
12:35María Josefa, a survivor.
12:37They were from Valcarce, they were in El Alfio, not in Dubrovnik,
12:40and he just came to ventilate it and condition it,
12:43and to leave the key to a lady from Gesell,
12:46to take care of the reception of the tourists.
12:48They already have the whole season rented, the whole season rented already from Valcarce.
12:51They are people of many years, they already had those who were going to go in the summer,
12:55and they were going to leave the keys and leave it in good condition,
12:58put it well, clean it and so on.
13:00Then, who do we have? María Rosa Estefanik, the ex-owner,
13:03who wanted to stay there, we saw her in a moving video,
13:08talking about the effort, the value of work, to pass the bet to the youngest,
13:12and she wanted to stay to do this season,
13:15the one of transition, with her clients of all her life,
13:18and also with her staff of all her life.
13:20Then, the third found, Nahuel Estefanik,
13:23his nephew, almost a son for her,
13:25almost that she had raised him, due to a personal and family circumstance of Nahuel,
13:2925 years, what is fate, sometimes I don't believe, but what is fate.
13:33If he had stayed there longer fishing,
13:35in the fishing dock, from there, from Villa Gesell,
13:38in the 128 in Playa, perhaps death would not have reached him.
13:41We keep moving forward.
13:43The carpenter.
13:44The carpenter, this man who left us an audio,
13:46I don't like to say premonitory, but anticipatory.
13:49Exactly.
13:50A man, a simple carpenter, 50 years old,
13:53I think he was born in Jujuy, but all his life,
13:56living, settled, looking for a better destination, in Merlo.
14:00He left us an audio where he says,
14:02hey, a simple carpenter is telling you,
14:04an architect who seems to have burned his eyelashes studying,
14:07or a municipal official who should have controlled.
14:10He says, in an audio that he sends to his associates,
14:13I don't understand the money they are going to put here,
14:15because the truth is, everything is destroyed.
14:17Of course, it was all cosmetic, or eventually,
14:20it was to do something that was not properly controlled.
14:23The carpenter said it, and he left us almost that,
14:26as his posthumous legacy.
14:28Mariano Raul Troiano.
14:29Here we come to those who were found in the last hours.
14:32He had actually been found the night before,
14:34but since they had not called the family properly,
14:37in the middle of the night, they were recovering hours of sleep,
14:40they called her.
14:41With the psychologists, this is well done,
14:44they call the family and tell them that he had passed away.
14:48I understand, Bobby, that just yesterday,
14:50we gave that urgent call to the Ministry of Security of the province of Buenos Aires.
14:55Let me say something to Troiano,
14:57I want to say something,
14:58because we want to rescue the human dimension of these people,
15:01because if not, they pass as a man,
15:03they pass with a data of an age,
15:05which gives the same if he is 47, 48, 46.
15:08He says he is a carpenter,
15:10in reality he was doing plumbing jobs,
15:12a fishing fanatic,
15:13a man in love with his family,
15:15permanently in contact with his daughter.
15:19It is his daughter who says,
15:20hey, he is a plumber, but he was not doing work,
15:23because there was talk of an explosion at some point.
15:26He was changing ceramics,
15:27he was doing plumbing jobs,
15:29nothing ruptural,
15:30away from his family because he is from Mar del Plata,
15:32like several of the deceased.
15:34Attention with this data that Bobby is giving us.
15:37What you just said,
15:39the number of people who come to Mar del Plata,
15:41remember that link that we told you about yesterday,
15:45of the person who would be in charge of the hotel.
15:48Ah, the other hotel that is in El Rosario.
15:51The Hotel Ostende, which is in Mar del Plata,
15:53the new Hotel Ostende.
15:54It is a good fact.
15:55Remember this,
15:56because there is an architect involved,
15:59in some way,
16:00and the father, they say,
16:01would have been in charge of that hotel.
16:03I mean, clearly,
16:04many of them have known each other for a long time,
16:06these are the workers,
16:07they hire them.
16:08Let's move on with the rest of the victims
16:09to give human dimension to this situation.
16:11Here too,
16:12here we already started,
16:13we continue with those who were found in the last hours.
16:16Here we have Juan Ezequiel Matu,
16:1938 years old,
16:20Albanil.
16:21Albanil,
16:22I already know the universe in which they do a little of everything,
16:24albanilería,
16:25plumbing,
16:26depending on what there is to do.
16:27Workers.
16:28Yes, yes, yes.
16:29I think the photos are inverted,
16:31in honor,
16:32the truth,
16:33I think the photos are inverted.
16:34Matias,
16:35then Matias,
16:36Chasman,
16:37who was with Anita.
16:38Of course,
16:39and Chasman is,
16:40Chasman is,
16:41he formed a couple,
16:42he has been with a partner for 10 years,
16:43he has a little creature,
16:45and he is the one who should have turned years old.
16:50A few hours before,
16:52a few hours before,
16:53this tragedy happened,
16:56and a few hours later,
16:57he should have been celebrating his birthday,
17:0028 years old.
17:01And here we come to the only one that has not been found so far,
17:05at least that it has been identified,
17:07as they were trapped there.
17:09It is Dana de Simone,
17:1028 years old,
17:11she is from a rural area,
17:14a rural neighborhood near Necochea,
17:17she grew up here in the Conurbano,
17:19in Lomas de Zamora,
17:20she went to the Olive Garden in Temperley,
17:23and for years she lived on the coast.
17:25In the pandemic,
17:26as so many have had to generate a retail venture,
17:29well,
17:30it is she who is not being found,
17:32and she has the researchers very worried and disoriented,
17:34because when they found Rosita,
17:36and they found Nahuel,
17:38they thought that very close to them,
17:40they were going to find her,
17:41and so far it is the only one that we have not been able to find.
17:43No, I tell you why,
17:44I add this information to you,
17:45because a couple of hours ago they told me
17:48that this girl was not a partner of Nicolás,
17:51but that she was an employee of the hotel,
17:54employee of the hotel,
17:56that's why she was not in the same room,
17:58she was like other workers,
18:01sorry,
18:02there in the hotel,
18:04spending the night while she was working,
18:07this girl, unfortunately,
18:08they have not found her either,
18:10I was reading a report that assured Bobby
18:13that the justice, for example,
18:14Veronica Zamboni,
18:15the prosecutor,
18:16was not going to stop the search,
18:17because it is not known for sure
18:20if there may be
18:22some other person
18:24that has not been identified until now,
18:26and that could be,
18:27I mean, because of the precariousness of work.
18:29One assumes from the common sense,
18:31that as there was a lot of informal staff there,
18:33someone could be working there
18:35that is not identified.
18:37It is also true that several of them,
18:39we managed to identify them,
18:40the journalism and the justice,
18:42because the relatives concurred and approached,
18:44I remember the carpenter, for example,
18:46he did not arrive at his house.
18:48They knew they were working there
18:50and they had no more contact after the collapse.