El reconocido periodista se comunicó y desmintiendo cualquier intento de censura sobre su estado de salud. A pesar de un bozal legal impuesto por la jueza Córdoba, Lanata reafirmó su compromiso con la transparencia informativa. La controversia surge en medio de especulaciones sobre quién solicitó la medida, si fue su esposa Elba Marcovecchio o sus hijas.
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00:00Two beloved people of the show industry,
00:02such as Jorge Lanati and Pampita,
00:03each in different areas,
00:05dissimilar and profiles, of course.
00:08I would like to talk about Jorge's issue.
00:09If you knew that Jorge had some kind of lucidity
00:12because what we found out on the weekend,
00:14beyond the legal bozal,
00:15that now I want you to tell me
00:17if you know faithfully who imposed it,
00:19if it was Marcovecchio or the daughters,
00:21that Jorge could communicate and said,
00:23that he pointed out to the judge that he went to see him.
00:25One can always respond
00:27when he talked about this controversial failure.
00:29He brought questions from ADEPA,
00:32from all the organizations of journalists.
00:34But Lanati communicated and said,
00:36talk, it's like that, it would be the title.
00:40Of course.
00:41Well, it seems to me that there is a witness case
00:44in all this story, which is the case of Guadanara.
00:46When everyone was guarding, let's say, a diagnosis,
00:50he grabbed it and said, I am a journalist,
00:51and gave the information that was questioned,
00:55let's say, they criticized it,
00:59it was not put on the subject of debate,
01:00but he, above all things,
01:02privileged the information and gave it.
01:04When Jorge Lanata, forgive me,
01:06because there are people out there who do not remember,
01:07said he knew that Guadana was going through
01:11an oncological disease, a cancer.
01:15Yes, leukemia, precisely.
01:16Leukemia, of course.
01:17Leukemia.
01:18And I talked to Guadana, I said,
01:19what mortified me the most about this whole story
01:23is that my children did not know.
01:27And they find out precisely because of the news.
01:29Well, someone who makes that decision today
01:32is on the other side of the screen.
01:34And if he was lucid, what he did is the most logical.
01:38It is the most logical.
01:39Because it was not understood in what way someone
01:43who is just inflexible with the handling of information
01:46allowed that the information was not given.
01:50Of course, but in reality Jorge had nothing to do with it,
01:52obviously, Luis.
01:53He, in this kidnapping of lucidity ...
01:55Evidently, someone got up and told him,
01:58dad, or Jorge, on the side of his wife,
02:02look what they are saying and doing this.
02:05Then he said, no, boy, if I made this decision,
02:08I lived my whole life this way,
02:10I will not allow that when it is my turn
02:12to be on the other side of the story,
02:14to put censorship.
02:16And well, that's what determined the kidnapping.
02:20Luis, a whole oxymoron, a whole contradiction,
02:21because nothing further than censoring a topic
02:24even when he is at the center of the scene.
02:27And here I begin to ask you,
02:28did Elba Marcovecchio deny that she asked for the legal bossal?
02:31Were the daughters then the only part that remains?
02:33Well, very well.
02:35And theoretically, what happens is that since no one speaks here,
02:39or they all speak, contradicting what the other says,
02:42here the concrete decision was made by the judge,
02:44Dr. Córdova.
02:45Exactly.
02:46Do you understand?
02:47The judge said,
02:48besides there is one thing, Guillermo,
02:50there is a law, the law of the laws is the Constitution.
02:53Yes.
02:54And the law of the laws clearly states
02:57that there can be no prior censorship of any information.
03:00Then, if the information is good, bad,
03:03insidious, slanderous,
03:05the person who issues it
03:08will have to face the consequences.
03:10But you cannot foresee a crime when it was not committed.
03:14Of course.
03:14Do you understand?
03:15Exactly.
03:16Now, from the images you saw,
03:18what reflection do you deserve?
03:19The one of Elba Marcovecchio,
03:21then Elba Marcovecchio accusing the daughters
03:23of doing the same,
03:25of taking things from Jorge's house.
03:30Look, the conclusion I have is that
03:32the assembly of families in Argentina
03:34is still not well incorporated in society.
03:39Because today we are amazed
03:42with the things we hear and read
03:45regarding the whole environment of the NATA.
03:47But before, the same thing happened to us with Maradona,
03:50the same thing happened to us with the Mitre family,
03:53the same thing happened to us with the Menem,
03:55the same thing happened to us with the Canillas.
03:57I mean, this is a story
03:59where the names are changed
04:01and they are repeated permanently.
04:03Sure.
04:03The names are repeated permanently.
04:06In this case, I was wondering what you would say, Jorge.
04:08We do not know how to assemble families,
04:10or at least we still have to learn a lot.
04:12Of course, I was saying,
04:13if Jorge, tomorrow, reestablishes himself,
04:15that he wants God to be like that,
04:16and he finds out about the details,
04:19I imagine it will be very strong
04:21and very sad for him too, right?
04:25And maybe he will also have to make some decisions, right?
04:29A little bit what happened with Maradona.
04:31Let's see, everyone is now making judgments
04:34that this, that the other, they left him alone.
04:36And Maradona dies looking at the ceiling.
04:39You know, and you know
04:41how we gave that information this morning.
04:42You gave me the news
04:43and I always say that I went for the first time
04:45against the rules of journalism and I apologize.
04:47Because we did it live
04:48and I did not believe you that Maradona had died.
04:52But hey, and it's okay, it's okay,
04:54because a lot of internal processes happen to us.
04:57When one has,
04:58when a journalist has to give an information
05:00with which he has some kind of relationship,
05:05of affection, of admiration, or of hatred too,
05:08because there is also the other part.
05:10Yes, of course.
05:10Someone who, in an incisive way,
05:14tries to impose something against a certain character.
05:18Now, what I say, at a certain moment,
05:21who do you listen to?
05:26Maradona?
05:28Maradona's children?
05:30Maradona's sisters?
05:32Maradona's lawyers?
05:34Maradona's doctors?
05:36Maradona's surgeons?
05:38Who do you listen to?
05:39Because everyone has their truth.
05:40But with this analogy that you raise, right?
05:43Who do we support here?
05:47Elba, who was the woman, the last woman who chose,
05:50well, she didn't choose anyone, she didn't choose anyone.
05:52Who did she support?
05:53I have a recording of Maradona,
05:55alive, saying that someone had stolen him,
05:59that they had done this to him, that they had done that to him.
06:01And then, on the other side, what do they say?
06:03And, they must have drugged him,
06:07they must have drunk him,
06:09and then he said anything.
06:11And who do you believe?
06:13Because everyone has arguments to support.
06:16But who do you believe?
06:17Who do you believe?
06:18Marco Becchio?
06:19Because Marco Becchio, whether you like it or not,
06:21was the wife.
06:22Of course he was.
06:23And he had rights and power to execute things.
06:25Yes or no?
06:26Yes.
06:27What was the sin of reviewing
06:29her husband's furniture?
06:31Let's see, that later it is undecorated,
06:34that it does not correspond, whatever you want.
06:36But that was right.
06:37What is the complaint?
06:39Let's see, what are you reporting?
06:41Because someone gave power to Marco Becchio.
06:44According to the daughters, an excess in
06:46his shareholder in expenses, for example
06:48with the credit card of
06:50one and a half million to six million.
06:52I'm telling you what the daughters say, Luis.
06:54Did Anata tell him not to spend?
06:56I don't know.
06:57Did Anata tell his wife not to spend on jewelry?
06:59We don't know.
07:00The issue is that this was judicialized, Luis.
07:02Do you understand?
07:03And they went with a complaint with their feet forward.
07:05Well, Guillermo, let's go to the same thing.
07:09The Maradona case is also judicialized.
07:11Do you understand?
07:13They killed him.
07:15Who killed him?
07:17The heart on one side,
07:19other organs on the other,
07:21and the body there in the cemetery.
07:23And now they are putting you in a mausoleum.
07:25Yes, but the difference is Jorge.
07:27How are you going to put them together?
07:29But Jorge is alive here.
07:31Of course, he is alive.
07:33But is he conscious?
07:35He is alive, but is he conscious?
07:37But he did not say what is there for him to speak.
07:39No, they are going to argue.
07:41Luis, I read you about the judge.
07:43They are going to argue that he is not in his right mind.
07:45That's what they are going to say,
07:47those who are denouncing.
07:49Look, Luis.
07:51Otherwise, Marco Becker's case,
07:53you don't have to question it.
07:55You can like it or not like it,
07:57look what he does,
07:59what you want, but it's not a crime.
08:01No, but look at this.
08:03Something that I did not know,
08:05I don't know about you,
08:07that Jorge could be consulted
08:09and that Jorge said before the trial,
08:12about if he considered
08:14that it could be offensive
08:16the content of the articles
08:18that could be published
08:20about what is happening to him.
08:22In other words, they must have told him
08:24what is happening.
08:26And I continue,
08:28they are expressions of the cause's will
08:30coinciding with those of his relatives
08:32previously announced,
08:34said the judge in Cordoba,
08:36who enabled the channels of his retrial
08:38on the weekend to be informed
08:40and he said, go ahead, speak.
08:42That at some point I will respond
08:44having faith that it will evolve
08:46in terms of his health.
08:48No, and with what Jorge is going to mark,
08:50the experts, the doctors who must have been there
08:52who are attending him, plus two witnesses.
08:54Here, the lawyers,
08:56what they are trying to impose
08:58is the figure of the legal voice
09:00that does not exist, legally does not exist.
09:02Nobody can stop you from speaking.
09:04Nobody can stop you.
09:06If what you speak
09:08is injurious, slanderous,
09:10then it gives rise
09:12to the other party returning
09:14with a legal action.
09:16That is the pure law.
09:18Here they make you believe, no.
09:20Of course, because the outbreak
09:22of the situation is in family cases
09:24or in cases where they do not want you to ascend,
09:26who took the guide,
09:28who handled who,
09:30who committed an illicit,
09:32who made a regularity.
09:34Faced with that,
09:36it is not convenient
09:38for them to speak
09:40because with the legal voice
09:42they scare you,
09:44and those who do not know about laws
09:46do not realize
09:48that the legal voice does not exist.
09:50Because what happens?
09:52This goes to the judge's analysis
09:54and the judge, if he has agility,
09:56as Dr. Córdova had,
09:58who acted quickly,
10:00asked Nata,
10:02Nata told him to speak whatever they want,
10:04but if you act with the legal voice
10:06at the end, I think it is 45 days
10:08or two months that they give you
10:10as a legal voice,
10:12you cannot speak,
10:14but if you act quickly,
10:16they remove the voice
10:18because it does not exist legally.
10:20No, also because the previous censorship
10:22is incompatible with democratic principles.
10:24What I hold, Luis,
10:26is that Jorge Lanata
10:28had this moment of lucidity
10:30to say, well, there are always times
10:33when he will be aware
10:35because I do not know if here he refers
10:37only to his health
10:39or to these images
10:41that we saw of Elba Marcovecchio,
10:43to those of the daughters,
10:45to what has to do with the fight
10:47that there is for the subjacent.
10:49There is another figure
10:51that is not being treated,
10:53they are taking the subject to another side.
10:55The figure here
10:57is the dissemination of privacy
10:59because that camera
11:01is the camera of intimacy.
11:03Do not forget,
11:05I remember a trial
11:07that the Poroto Cubero
11:09and Nicole Newman won
11:11when they take a photo
11:13of them sunbathing
11:15in a pool full of dogs
11:17from the outside
11:19of the property.
11:21The photo is taken inside the property.
11:23They act against
11:25the media that published it
11:27and win the trial
11:29against privacy,
11:31which is another thing.
11:33That figure, Marcovecchio,
11:35Lanata, if they want to act
11:37against the media that spread
11:39those images, then yes,
11:41we are in the presence
11:43of another condemnable judicial figure.
11:45Of course, what happens is that
11:47those images were given
11:49by both parties,
11:51confronted.
11:53Well, then in front of that
11:55you can not act,
11:57because there are people
11:59who spread these images
12:01against the media,
12:03because someone is responsible
12:05that the images were given
12:07under the table
12:09so that the other part
12:11was affected.
12:13I gave the images,
12:15I am the one who invaded
12:17or I am the one who invaded.
12:19That has to be clear,
12:21because from there
12:23you are in a situation of acting or not.
12:25For example, the driver
12:27of Lanata, who knew
12:29what was in the house,
12:31in fact it is a previous recording
12:33of the money, where it was,
12:35of the furniture,
12:37of the valuables,
12:39because he also had
12:41the key to the house,
12:43so that they did not say later
12:45that they were going to blame me.
12:47That was shown in images
12:49in the media?
12:51Yes, a talk was heard
12:54by the driver who recorded
12:56Elva Marcovecchio.
12:58But that material,
13:00the driver has it
13:02if there is a cause,
13:04he has to present it in court
13:06if he is involved.
13:08Not to present in the media.
13:10There is a difference between
13:12showing on television
13:14and showing in justice.
13:16They are two different things.
13:18If not justice,
13:20the media does it.
13:22The driver knew everything.
13:24The guy is cured.
13:26I recorded and on top of Elva Marcovecchio
13:28there is very hard
13:30with his terms towards
13:32the daughters of Jorge Lanata.
13:34Guillermo, I ask you one thing.
13:36Don't you feel
13:38a bit of operation
13:40in all this?
13:42I feel that some play to one side
13:44and others to the other.
13:46In which channels and which screens
13:48was the issue of Lanata
13:50I missed that, let's see.
13:54In which channels?
13:56I saw it more than anything
13:58in all the portals.
14:00In all the portals,
14:02but TN and Canal 13
14:04were the ones that carried
14:06more virulence, let's say,
14:08the intimacy of this litigation.
14:10And why?
14:12If it is the place of work of Jorge Lanata?
14:14There are people who will be
14:16in favor of Lanata
14:18and there are people who will be
14:20in favor of the other side.
14:22And it would be interesting to know
14:24who has access to the IP
14:26of the cameras, right?
14:28And here the important thing is the truth.
14:30Who can access
14:32to suck that information?
14:34Of course, but the cameras
14:36according to how you show it
14:38and edit it
14:40also has its incidence.
14:42If I want to show you something good
14:44I edit it in a way
14:46and if I want to show you something bad
14:48I edit it in another way.
14:50What we don't have to forget here
14:52because you made an analogy
14:54and very well with
14:56the troubles that arose
14:58based on the Maradona case.
15:00I want to remember that Jorge is alive
15:02and he spoke with the judge.
15:04This is something that
15:06we didn't know could be expressed
15:08that could be told
15:10we pray, we say
15:12hopefully it will go forward
15:15but how quickly they went to consult him
15:17I thought we had to wait
15:19that he was intubated
15:21I don't know what idea you have
15:23or what do you know about Jorge's health, Luis?
15:25I also understood that
15:27because I said at this point
15:29if Jorge is lucid and conscious
15:31he has to go out to the media
15:33and say, this is how it is.
15:35Exactly, exactly.
15:37So, in the absence
15:39and the distance
15:41I said, is the issue of Pampita clear to you?
15:43It's not clear to me
15:45even in the chats
15:47that he made in the last hours
15:49We just showed, sorry
15:51Garcia Moritan
15:53they were frying him
15:55in boiling oil
15:57and Pampita didn't come out to speak
15:59so now
16:01we become aware of everything that happened
16:03but before, no
16:05so you give rise to a lot of versions
16:07that inflate the issue
16:09each one
16:11those who have the pure and exact information
16:13and there are those who
16:15as they don't have the information
16:17so they invent
16:19because they don't have it
16:21and they stay out of the topic
16:23as they see that the topic measures
16:25at the rating level
16:27so they take the topic
16:29and they tell you
16:31this or that
16:33yes, because Pampita
16:35yes, because Moritan
16:37yes, because Lanata
16:39yes, because Pampita
16:41yes, because Pampita
16:43yes, because Pampita
16:45yes, because Pampita
16:47yes, because Pampita
16:49yes, because Pampita
16:51yes, because Pampita
16:53yes, because Pampita
16:55yes, because Pampita
16:57yes, because Pampita
16:59yes, because Pampita
17:01yes, because Pampita
17:03yes, because Pampita
17:05yes, because Pampita
17:07yes, but I say
17:09to close and go to the case of Pampita
17:11I say
17:13what happens with the Jorge case
17:15Jorge gives me the feeling
17:17that he arrives late
17:19or they arrive late to consult him
17:21already with all the images shown
17:23and with all the fight
17:25in the media
17:27but you have to see
17:29the degree of lucidity
17:31that Jorge has
17:33at the diagnostic level
17:36the 24 hours
17:38exactly
17:40maybe at a certain moment
17:42they induce him
17:44to a coma
17:46to a pharmacological coma
17:48because they have to do a practice
17:50or something that can be painful
17:52and then you take it out of circulation
17:54and there you lose a lot of chapters
17:56of course, because evidently that lucidity
17:58he did not have it to stop the Bolonqui
18:00before the images were spread
18:02to gather the parts
18:04look, you know what?
18:06for the good of my health
18:08what has to be fixed, they come here
18:10we fix it here when I have this rapt of lucidity
18:12no, the issue escapes the hand
18:14and they are going to consult him
18:16when Rome is already on fire
18:18as you are saying
18:20as you are saying
18:22that's why I tell you
18:24what will he think
18:26first when they go to consult him
18:28what are they coming for?
18:30Mr. Lanata, we come, I am the magistrate who is
18:32I imagine Mr. Lanata saying
18:34what will have happened?
18:36I ask you this question
18:38do you think that someone who is
18:40how long has Lanata been hospitalized?
18:42and it is an endless hospitalization
18:44two and a half months, three months
18:46to see if they are spending the money
18:48if they bought jewels
18:50if they took the pencils
18:52if they took the lighter connections
18:54do you think he's going to be aware?
18:56it's a good point
18:58get me out of here, I can't take it anymore
19:00no, I give you the right
19:02what I say is that a third neutral person
19:04didn't have time
19:06maybe Lanata wasn't with the lucidity
19:08to listen and say
19:10hey Jorge, look, this is happening
19:12Elba, and your daughters
19:14are venting issues that surely
19:16you will not like, that's what I'm going to
19:18he comes to tell the judge
19:20that I must have told him in a minute
19:22there is always time to answer
19:24that's the phrase they give to know
19:26there is always time to answer
19:28Jorge, whoever has that possibility
19:32I hope
19:34I hope
19:36and at a certain moment one wonders
19:38because here you have oversaturation
19:40of people around Lanata
19:44there are other cases like in the case of Maradona
19:46one does not know if it is better to be accompanied
19:48with so many parts that everyone believes
19:50to be right and take
19:52the handle of the pan
19:54or be alone
19:57don't worry
19:59to put together all the mess
20:01that is being put together now
20:03yes, yes, yes, it's true