Gloria Panucci, fue acusada de drogar con fines de robo a un hombre mayor, la policía la arrestó pero fue liberada a las horas. Panucci, es conocida por su modus operandi desde 2007, y a sus vecinos que la conocen los aterroriza desde hace años. La policía allanó su departamento tras nuevas denuncias de vecinos cansados de convivir con ella.
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00:00The story of a black widow who had already been arrested
00:02on more than one occasion.
00:04She is 79 years old.
00:05Her name is Gloria Aurora P.
00:08That's how she is known.
00:09And now she fell.
00:10This time she was captured by the city police.
00:14A true enchantress.
00:16Religious.
00:17What did she do, Javi? How did she act?
00:19Well, she obviously put,
00:22in this case, not omnipotent,
00:25but my relaxing.
00:28Well, very well-known brands
00:32of those products that are to sleep, to relax and so on.
00:36And then she stole.
00:37At least the accusation she has of a fact
00:40that happened in August is that
00:42she did the same with a neighbor
00:44who had asked her for water
00:46and put a pill inside her that dissolved.
00:50She had actually made it powder.
00:52That pill, when the neighbor took it,
00:54a few minutes later, she began to have insomnia.
00:58She felt decomposed.
00:59They went to the apartment of this neighbor,
01:02she with her neighbor,
01:04and once asleep, asleep,
01:06he stole it.
01:08He reported her and of course...
01:09They tell me that he always left this.
01:11Look, this sign that is practically like literature.
01:14A rose.
01:16And it's like a brand.
01:17Like a sign.
01:18His signature.
01:19His signature, that, Cata, his signature.
01:22Selmira, where are you?
01:23Good afternoon, how are you?
01:25We are in Ramón Falcon, at 3300,
01:27where Mrs. Gloria lives.
01:29This enchanting 80-year-old retired woman,
01:32very intelligent, very intelligent.
01:34Because when we got here,
01:35we found a wave of complaints
01:38that I'm going to tell you now.
01:39But let's go with the chronology.
01:40This woman has a history.
01:42Since 2007, she got together with a man
01:45to have a coffee at the house of this man,
01:47of the victim.
01:48In the coffee, he put a...
01:50like the Plax pill, to put it,
01:53this drug is used on this woman.
01:55She sleeps with him and begins to moan at home.
01:58The son arrives, makes the complaint,
02:00and this woman is arrested.
02:02Three and a half years,
02:04this woman is completely held.
02:07Then he continues to commit crimes,
02:08once he gets the freedom.
02:10The last complaints were
02:12in July and August of this year.
02:14In July, a man slept directly
02:17in the coffee shop, Molina Acaba, 30 blocks.
02:20They were drinking a coffee in broad daylight,
02:23the two of them in this coffee shop.
02:24And when this man looks the other way
02:26or goes to the bathroom,
02:27this woman puts the drug in his coffee.
02:29This man collapses directly
02:31on the table of the coffee shop.
02:32And the woman,
02:33with the key to the victim's home,
02:35goes to him and begins to moan at home.
02:38A neighbor calls to make the complaint
02:40and in that same place she is arrested.
02:42What do they find?
02:4333 Plax pills,
02:45155,000 pesos,
02:4711 dollars, 5 euros,
02:50also a disability card
02:52and a cell phone.
02:54At that moment,
02:55the city police arrest her
02:56and then release her.
02:58A month later,
02:59she commits the same crime again
03:01in the neighborhood of Liniers.
03:03She was walking around the neighborhood
03:05and finds a neighbor at the door of the house.
03:07They start talking about the day,
03:09about the weather,
03:12and she says,
03:13I'm retired,
03:14I'm 80 years old,
03:15can you buy me a glass of water?
03:16Because I forgot to take the pill.
03:18What an incredible story.
03:19The victim goes to the house
03:21and they start talking.
03:23Between talking,
03:24the victim ends up taking that glass of water
03:26and vanishes completely.
03:28She gets up,
03:29she was missing 100,000 pesos,
03:31a gold chain
03:32and four imported perfumes.
03:34Today,
03:35the city police
03:36were making searches here
03:38in this apartment.
03:39This woman lives on the eighth floor.
03:41Who's inside?
03:42Elmira.
03:43Her apartment.
03:44Gloria is inside.
03:45Mrs. Gloria.
03:46Why doesn't she come down?
03:47She came yesterday at four in the afternoon
03:49and stayed here.
03:50Why doesn't she come down
03:51and talk to us?
03:52She doesn't want to talk.
03:53Can you explain?
03:54We rang the doorbell.
03:55I called her on the phone.
03:57I called Gloria's number.
03:59A woman,
04:00a very similar voice,
04:01answered the phone.
04:02She said,
04:03Gloria,
04:04you're Elmira from America.
04:05She said,
04:06no, no,
04:07first of all,
04:08I don't call Gloria.
04:09I'm a friend of Gloria's.
04:10She left her phone
04:11and her apartment in charge
04:12so that she could take care of things
04:13and I don't want to talk.
04:14When the city police
04:15found out
04:16that Gloria was here
04:17during the search,
04:18I didn't leave.
04:19She never left.
04:20And she doesn't have a vehicle
04:21to leave.
04:22Maybe she answers
04:23the name of Aurora,
04:24which is the second name.
04:25Gloria Aurora.
04:26Maybe if you try
04:27Elmira saying Aurora,
04:28maybe she'll say,
04:29yes, I'm Aurora.
04:30You see,
04:31they're like that.
04:32But, Aurora,
04:33I don't call here.
04:34I'm a friend.
04:35Let's talk
04:36to a neighbor
04:37from the neighborhood.
04:38Let's go.
04:40Esther.
04:41Esther,
04:42do you know Gloria?
04:43Yes,
04:44I know her
04:45from the neighborhood
04:46from the past.
04:47Well,
04:48one time
04:49I was delivering groceries,
04:50I make meals,
04:51I make pastries.
04:52Delivering,
04:53she passes by
04:54and looks
04:55and says,
04:56oh, what delicious things.
04:57She tried
04:58to pretend
04:59to be a friend.
05:00Did you think she was nice?
05:01What did you think?
05:02No,
05:03I thought she was nice.
05:04I said,
05:05well,
05:06she's an older woman,
05:07let her touch the other one.
05:08I thought she was nice.
05:09She said,
05:10invite me
05:11to have a coffee.
05:12Let's have a coffee
05:13at your house.
05:14She invited you
05:15to have a coffee?
05:16At my house.
05:17She invited me
05:18to have a coffee
05:19but at my house
05:20instead of coming
05:21to my house
05:22to have a coffee.
05:23Well,
05:24it was a coffee shop.
05:25It was a coffee shop.
05:26So,
05:27well,
05:28I told her
05:29that I didn't have time
05:30because I work.
05:31I didn't have time
05:32to have a coffee
05:33and she didn't like it.
05:34Then I saw her
05:35in other situations,
05:36talking to other neighbors,
05:37finding out
05:38what was going on.
05:39After this,
05:40you found out.
05:41After this,
05:42I found out.
05:43She was lucky
05:44that she wasn't invited.
05:45A neighbor from the group
05:46told me
05:47to be careful
05:48because
05:49she already knew
05:50about this woman.
05:51They say that this woman
05:52contacts
05:53banks,
05:54coffee shops.
05:55She contacts
05:56coffee shops.
05:57She's been seen
05:58in banks
05:59making friends
06:00with older people.
06:01Selmira,
06:02do you know
06:03what the widow
06:04was doing?
06:05The black widow?
06:06Do you know
06:08because they say
06:09that she didn't have
06:10a previous job.
06:11In theory,
06:12they say
06:13that she's retired
06:14from...
06:15From a marine.
06:16She's a wife
06:17of a marine
06:18and that she worked
06:19in a penitentiary.
06:20This,
06:21Facundo,
06:22must be highlighted.
06:23The record
06:24that she has
06:25of her previous jobs
06:26is in the Federal Penitentiary
06:27Service
06:28since 2007
06:29until the age
06:30of three and a half
06:31when she was in prison.
06:32Of course,
06:33they made her work there
06:34and she apparently
06:35earns a pension
06:36from her deceased husband
06:37who was a marine.
06:38Of course,
06:39I say that
06:40as an antecedent
06:41because,
06:42evidently,
06:43she may have
06:44a higher knowledge
06:45or a different one
06:46from a retired woman
06:47who hasn't had
06:48that experience
06:49and has gone through
06:50some...
06:51Logistics,
06:52people's logistics
06:53because she's studying it
06:54and they also say
06:55that she studied people.
06:56Yes,
06:57she wants to be charming.
06:58Selmira asks,
06:59I'm going forward
07:00with the interview
07:01because it's very interesting,
07:02I say,
07:03let's see,
07:04how does she find out
07:05what is the procedure
07:06so that her neighbors
07:07have some other details,
07:08to see how she slept
07:09and so on.
07:10Esther,
07:11how did you find out
07:12about the procedure
07:13of this woman?
07:14Through the group
07:15of neighbors we have.
07:16In fact,
07:17I understand
07:18that she has
07:19more than one detention.
07:20Now,
07:21I go to this,
07:22to the judges.
07:23Of course.
07:24Of course.
07:25What are they waiting for?
07:26That there is a dead person?
07:27Of course.
07:28That there is someone dead
07:29to arrest him?
07:30If there isn't, Esther,
07:31if there wasn't, right?
07:32Because it can't be
07:33that with a simple bracelet
07:34because the bracelet
07:35is going to come out
07:36impunely
07:37because he walks impunely
07:38down the street.
07:39So,
07:40let's not wait
07:41for a dead person
07:42because we can't
07:43conceive this.
07:44It can be me,
07:45it can be another,
07:46it can be a neighbor,
07:47it can be a neighbor,
07:48it can be anyone.
07:49Look,
07:50and do you know?
07:51And I think so.
07:52Do you know, Esther,
07:53how it was to act?
07:54Because apparently
07:55there was also
07:56a task
07:57of seduction
07:58in a church,
07:59right?
08:00Yes.
08:01Of course,
08:02do you know
08:03what the task was?
08:05They say that,
08:06well,
08:07she seduced.
08:08Did you see her act
08:09also in the banks,
08:10in the shops?
08:11No,
08:12no,
08:13no.
08:14I have people
08:15who have told me
08:16that they have seen her
08:17at the bank doors
08:18pretending
08:19that she helps them
08:20to charge,
08:21that she helps them
08:22with the cash register.
08:23That she helps them
08:24with the card,
08:25that she is Mrs. Solidaria.
08:26That she helps them
08:27with the cash register.
08:28Sure.
08:29An ex-policeman
08:30who is no longer
08:31in the neighborhood
08:32has told me,
08:33I don't know where he is.
08:34Did he use
08:35any other modality
08:36apart from drugging them
08:37with Alplax?
08:38No,
08:39the truth is that no.
08:40Look,
08:41from what I understand
08:42in all the antecedents,
08:43they always found
08:44the same pills.
08:45The same pills,
08:46of course.
08:47In fact,
08:48in the cafeteria
08:49where she leaves
08:50this man unarmed,
08:51when they find her
08:52in this man's home,
08:53they find her
08:54the 33 pills
08:55of Alplax.
08:56Now,
08:57the police were
08:58searching here
08:59and they didn't find anything.
09:00Therefore,
09:01the judge didn't see
09:02the arrest warrant.
09:03Did she know
09:04about the rose brand?
09:06It's a distinctive brand.
09:07She knew
09:08about the brand of the rose.
09:09Sure,
09:10it looks like a book.
09:11Yes,
09:12I had understood
09:13that wherever she goes,
09:14she leaves a rose
09:15as a reward,
09:16let's say.
09:17What do you think
09:18it corresponds to?
09:19Like saying,
09:20hey,
09:21one more victim.
09:22One more victim,
09:23a good job.
09:24A good job.
09:25And maybe
09:26Alplax was given to her.
09:27Did it happen
09:28in the building?
09:29Yes,
09:30there was a fire,
09:31it's her fault,
09:33she left a bottle.
09:34According to
09:35what the neighbors
09:36reported,
09:37this bottle
09:38corresponded
09:39to her apartment.
09:40They had already denounced her,
09:41they had told her
09:42that she was not allowed
09:43to have a bottle.
09:44The bottle ends up exploding
09:45and causing a serious fire.
09:46There is the rose.
09:47We came to cover this
09:48and also other media.
09:49Yes,
09:50let me see the rose
09:51on the screen,
09:52because it is very particular.
09:53And now
09:54we are going to put
09:55on the screen,
09:56in a few minutes,
09:57Elmira,
09:58there I let you complete,
09:59data about
10:00her behavior
10:01in the neighborhood,
10:02which was not very normal,
10:03which had
10:04a lot of problems.
10:05Tell me,
10:06please, go ahead.
10:08Well,
10:09when we got here,
10:10we came for the cases
10:11that men were drugging,
10:12the complaints
10:13that she had.
10:14Now,
10:15when we got here,
10:16we found a totally
10:17different panorama.
10:18All the neighbors
10:19denouncing her
10:20because she is a person,
10:21according to what they
10:22report,
10:23very violent,
10:24scratches the cars,
10:25is in the videos
10:26where she is in the parking lot
10:27and she does not have
10:28a vehicle,
10:29where she is standing
10:30at the door of the building
10:31and she does not allow
10:32her mother to enter
10:33with her children
10:34and the police officer
10:35is outside
10:36and no one can do anything.
10:37What she did,
10:38a security company
10:39worked here,
10:40we are going to walk
10:41through the building
10:42and by the way
10:43I'm going to ring the bell
10:44again,
10:45a security company
10:46worked here,
10:47she moved here
10:48in 2020,
10:49the security company
10:50worked here
10:51and she started
10:52with this company
10:53to hit the employees
10:54and I'm not saying this
10:55because they told me,
10:56it's in the videos
10:57the moment
10:58where she comes out
10:59and hits the security employee.
11:01She started to clean
11:02after the security company
11:03left,
11:04she started to clean,
11:05to behave like
11:06an exemplary neighbor,
11:07this is according
11:08to everything
11:09the neighbors tell us,
11:10watering the plants,
11:11cleaning the windows
11:12and then
11:13she made a trial
11:14to the consortium
11:15adjudicating
11:16that she is the one
11:17in charge
11:18and she was in charge
11:19of the building.
11:20She was in charge
11:21of the building
11:22and she was in charge
11:23of the building
11:24and she was in charge
11:25of the building
11:26and she was in charge
11:27of the building
11:28and she was in charge
11:29of the building
11:30and she was in charge
11:31of the building
11:32and she won the trial.
11:33She won the trial
11:34and now
11:35all the tenants
11:36have to pay her
11:37a total of 10,000 dollars.
11:38It's crazy
11:39what's happening
11:40here.
11:41Wait a minute,
11:42I want to put on
11:43the big screen
11:44the rose
11:45because it seems
11:46to me
11:47a distinctive sign
11:48of this story
11:49and there you are
11:50on the other side
11:51and something similar
11:52happened to you.
11:53You had
11:54a strange episode
11:55where you were
11:56put to sleep,
11:57you were poisoned
11:58or something strange
11:59and someone
12:00left that mark
12:01that you can see there.
12:02What happens
12:03is that it must be
12:04very embarrassing
12:05if you were the victim.
12:06But it can be denounced
12:07anonymously, Cata.
12:08Of course it's embarrassing,
12:09right?
12:10It's embarrassing,
12:11it's true.
12:12But it's embarrassing
12:13because you fall
12:14into a scam,
12:15on top of that
12:16she makes fun
12:17of you
12:18leaving that rose,
12:19that signature,
12:20it's like you
12:21fell into my trap
12:22basically.
12:23And look at the pills.
12:24But today
12:25the testimony
12:26would help.
12:27Maybe at some point
12:28we'll be able
12:29to prove
12:30that this is not true.
12:31Of course.
12:32That's why this is
12:33very peculiar,
12:34the pillbox
12:35and the sedatives,
12:36he always used
12:37the same pills,
12:38didn't he?
12:39Zulma?
12:40He always
12:41used the same pills,
12:42used the same drugs
12:43and in fact
12:44from the police station
12:45number 57
12:46they sent Yanar
12:47here looking
12:48for certain
12:49specific things,
12:50among them
12:51the drug he was using.
12:52They found
12:53any kind of medicine
12:54except for these omniverses
12:55except for the
12:56golden necklace
12:57that was also denounced as stolen.
12:59They didn't find what they came to look for,
13:01so it's free.
13:03How high is Ramón Falcón?
13:05Ramón Falcón is at 3300.
13:09Between Azul and Campana.
13:13Between Azul and Campana.
13:15One block from the Teatro de Flores.
13:17Now, Selmira, you were just saying
13:19that the situation in the community
13:21was very conflictive
13:23between the neighbors.
13:25And you accessed some documents
13:27that mark the behavior
13:29and the shouting that this woman had
13:31every time she faced a neighbor.
13:35Yes, how she first hit
13:37the security employees,
13:39how she self-references the building manager
13:41and she didn't allow a mother
13:43with her two children to enter her own house.
13:45The city police were outside
13:47and they couldn't enter the apartment either.
13:49They couldn't do anything.
13:51She lives in what is the grandson's apartment.
13:53The grandson doesn't live with her.
13:55She's been alone here since 2020.
13:57They don't inform us.
13:59From time to time the grandson comes,
14:01but he doesn't stay long in the place.
14:03But they are continuous.
14:05And it's a wave of complaints
14:07from all the neighbors
14:09who have already filed a criminal complaint
14:11and yet no one can do anything.
14:13Now, this woman who steals so much
14:15and who also won this trial
14:17where they have to return a lot of money
14:19to the owners of the building,
14:21what does she do with the money?
14:23Do you know anything about that?
14:27She is 79 years old,
14:29almost 80 years old
14:31and the only thing we know
14:33is that she charges the pension
14:35of her late husband,
14:37a pension that could cost
14:39between 400,000 pesos.
14:41We don't know if the grandson
14:43helps her financially,
14:45but now the neighbors
14:47have to pay her 10,000 dollars.
14:49We are waiting for more neighbors
14:51who want to speak.
14:53Everyone is very afraid,
14:55even the manager of the building.
14:57The manager himself was denounced
14:59for slander and insults.
15:01This woman also works
15:03with this modality.
15:05She records everyone,
15:07generates some kind of conflict
15:09and then makes a trial for herself.
15:11Therefore, everyone is very afraid
15:13to go out and speak.
15:15I want to air the videos
15:17and the first document
15:19shows this.
15:21Look,
15:23the black widow in action.
15:47The black widow in action.
15:55The black widow in action.
16:17The black widow in action.
16:47The black widow in action.
16:49The black widow in action.
16:51The black widow in action.
16:53The black widow in action.
16:55The black widow in action.
16:57The black widow in action.
16:59The black widow in action.
17:01The black widow in action.
17:03The black widow in action.
17:05The black widow in action.
17:07The black widow in action.
17:09The black widow in action.
17:11The black widow in action.
17:13The black widow in action.
17:15The black widow in action.
17:17The black widow in action.
17:19The black widow in action.
17:21The girl in action.
17:23The girl in action.
17:25The girl in action.
17:27The trick they even use
17:29to paint the dentro
17:31and don't let her go
17:33they say you have a touche
17:35and now I'm not going anywhere
17:37saying hey pal
17:40stop that
17:42that
17:44No, I don't know, but I know she was in the group of neighbors.
17:48She was with the other previous police officer in the group of neighbors who took her out directly.
17:53Did you see her creating conflicts in the neighborhood?
17:55Because there are videos where she goes out directly to intimidate people.
17:58No, no, no, I haven't seen that.
18:00But it's like she finds you out there and says,
18:04Why don't you greet me more, Che?
18:06What's wrong with you not greeting me, Che?
18:08Or greet me, Che?
18:09Because she's being chased.
18:10She's being chased, yes, obviously.
18:11And does she know more people?
18:12No, she's not being chased.
18:13Because from the moment she comes out with total impunity,
18:16she's free on the street.
18:18I would be ashamed of something like this.
18:21Going out in all the media as I did,
18:23I would be ashamed to go out and go out freely as she did.
18:26Because she goes out to buy as if nothing had happened.
18:29What strikes me is that we have been talking about this woman since 7 in the morning,
18:33giving her the opportunity to come down to talk or at least answer the phone or the doorbell,
18:38and no relative, no friend, no acquaintance of hers came up to us.
18:41Now we try to ring the doorbell.
18:42To support her or to give a word in favor of her.
18:45Of course, now we try to ring the doorbell live.
18:47There is another video, a new document that Selmira accepted,
18:51which is already a slightly more heated discussion with the security personnel of the building itself.
18:57Look.
18:58You don't yell at me.
19:00I didn't yell at you.
19:01You were just yelling.
19:02I didn't yell at him.
19:03No.
19:04He is a colleague of mine and you were yelling at me, okay?
19:08Don't yell at me.
19:09Don't yell at me.
19:10I didn't yell at you.
19:11Are we sure of what we are saying?
19:12Are you sure of what you are saying, that you didn't yell at me?
19:14No, I didn't yell at you.
19:15We are sure of what we are saying, right?
19:17Who? You?
19:18Yes, you were just yelling at me, partner.
19:22Don't yell at me, ma'am.
19:23I'm giving you the service.
19:25I'm giving you the service.
19:27I'm going to turn off the light.
19:28I'm going to turn off the light.
19:29Well, I know.
19:30There he goes, there he goes.
19:31There the partner is going to do what you asked him to do.
19:32What time is it, Aguilar?
19:34It's 8 minutes to 4.
19:35It's 8 minutes to 4, ma'am.
19:36I take service at 8.
19:38What are you doing?
19:39I didn't yell at you.
19:40You were just yelling at me.
19:41You are filming with the camera and I'm filming you now too.
19:44Don't yell at me, ma'am.
19:45Never again.
19:46It's the last time you yell at me.
19:47I didn't yell at you.
19:48You are wrong.
19:49You were yelling at me, ma'am.
19:50It's the last time you yell at me.
19:51Don't lie to me.
19:52You are wrong.
19:53No, no, no.
19:54I'm wrong.
19:55I'm not wrong at all.
19:56I'm tired of being wrong in this building.
19:58What happened?
19:59I didn't say anything.
20:00You don't yell at me ever again.
20:02You are not my mother.
20:04You don't yell at me.
20:06Is that clear?
20:07We are friends, Gloria.
20:08You don't say anything.
20:09I've always talked to you nicely.
20:10That's why.
20:11You even talked to me about the car.
20:12We'll leave it there.
20:13Don't be stupid.
20:14That's why.
20:15Well, that's up to you.
20:16It's an appreciation of yours.
20:17I didn't say anything.
20:18I never had a problem with you.
20:19But, ma'am, you came yelling at me.
20:21Go away, go away.
20:22I'm filming you.
20:23Because when I gave you the keys, what did you do?
20:26Ma'am, it's not until 8.
20:28I didn't take service yet.
20:29I didn't take service yet.
20:30I don't care.
20:31I didn't take service yet.
20:32I'm going to turn off the light.
20:33Yes, she went to do it.
20:34I'm going to turn it off.
20:38It's still there.
20:46It doesn't have audio, but it's...
20:49Look how it creaks.
20:51Look how poor the guard is.
20:54And he ended upるthrowing them to the guards.
20:56There are a few details that are easy to perceive.
20:59This is pandemic times, right?
21:01Yes, because they are wearing their face masks.
21:02They have their faces covered.
21:04It comes with long term.
21:05It does and for the smallest of things
21:06a couple of months and years ago, right, Elmira?
21:11He's kicking them out.
21:12The Department of Security got tired of this woman's
21:15constant complaints and allegations,
21:16so they decided not to provide this building with any more services.
21:20And it was the next act of this woman
21:22that was appointed as the person in charge of it.
21:25Also, the person in charge who was assigned to the building
21:27was tried for slander and injury.
21:30In other words, all the contacts we have with this building today
21:34are due to problems with Ms. Gloria.
21:36Beyond her being a black widow and the criminal complaints she has,
21:40as a neighbor and as a conflicting person,
21:43she is denounced for scratching cars,
21:45hitting security guards.
21:47I mean, we're seeing it in the videos.
21:49It's really incredible, the neighbors can't take it anymore.
21:51And now they have to pay her 10,000 dollars.
21:54In a trial, they are in an appeal period.
21:56Now, Elmira, it seems that this woman has...
21:58One more fact that I wanted to tell you, Facundo.
22:00They just passed me by.
22:02A person who was at the hearing as a witness,
22:05Ms. Gloria is asked,
22:07what a good standard of living you have, being retired.
22:10And she replied that she charges 1,500,000 pesos for retirement.
22:14We'll have to see if that's true or if it's a lie.
22:17That pension...
22:18The two of them, you can say.
22:19Retirement plus pension, right?
22:20Retirement plus pension, of course.
22:21But the police were struck by the standard of living, being retired.
22:25Of course.
22:26Elmira, now, does this woman have mental health problems,
22:30let's say, declared, diagnosed?
22:34No, we know that she charges the pension for widowhood,
22:38but not that she charges a pension for disability.
22:40Of course.
22:41Yes, in one of the detentions,
22:42she was found with three phones and a disability card,
22:45but we couldn't certify if it was hers
22:47or if it was a stolen or stolen card.
22:49But let's see, an 80-year-old disabled person
22:53goes out of her house to go for a walk,
22:55to get on a bus and go to another neighborhood
22:58to socialize with people, to sit down for a coffee,
23:01to make friends, and then to scam them.
23:03Elmira, I was wondering if she has, let's say,
23:06normal mental abilities or maybe she has...
23:10And she seemed a little upset, didn't she?
23:12Of course, some kind of disorder.
23:13Yes, I don't know if it's a disability.
23:15Psychiatric.
23:16Some kind of psychiatric issue.
23:17It seems like a disorder.
23:18We don't have the information that she charges a pension for disability
23:20or that she has, well, some kind of problem,
23:22a cognitive disorder.
23:23Yes, a person, from what the neighbors tell us,
23:25who is also very intelligent and very calculative.
23:27Of course.
23:28Elmira...
23:29But the police should also do some tests
23:31if she has drugs on the street, administering them.
23:34You talk about Alplax.
23:35Alplax is also given to older adults to rest.
23:39So maybe she asks for it, she doesn't use it for herself,
23:42and that's the pill, the remedy,
23:46that she gives to dissolve in the water,
23:49in the coffee, to put the victims to sleep.
23:52In today's search, they didn't find Alplax.
23:56I mean, she could have it if she has a medical record,
23:58but there was no pill of Alplax.
24:00Of course, the issue...
24:01It's very common.
24:02It's a good theory, but...
24:03In some cases, a lot of pills appear.
24:05It's something that you take...
24:07Thirty-three.
24:08A sedative, and something that calms you down.
24:10Thirty-three pills in one of the detentions.
24:12Of course.
24:13Only in one.
24:14The man who was transferred to Alvarez Hospital,
24:16who had a complication,
24:18a 83-year-old man,
24:19to whom they put Alplax in the coffee
24:21and he fainted at the cafeteria door.
24:23He was an adult.
24:25When this man was transferred to Alvarez Hospital
24:27and this woman was detained,
24:28at that moment, that day,
24:30he only had 33 pills of Alplax in his pocket.
24:32Of course.
24:33You have to see all the complaints he has,
24:36and how much they administer in each coffee.
24:38It's really a danger.
24:39Of course, a danger, a madness.
24:41Look, there are more videos, more documents,
24:43and now, when we finish seeing all the documents,
24:46we try to talk to Gloria.
24:48We have to listen to her too.
24:49Of course, too.
24:50In that way we...
24:52Of course, we have to listen.
24:54Give me a few more videos.
24:56You don't give a fuck about what she says.
24:58Do you mind that I say a few things?
25:00All I'm telling you is stop driving around.
25:02You're obssessed with your cars,
25:04but you don't even have a car.
25:06Why do you come here?
25:08Why do you come to our street parking?
25:10Why do you come to our side of the sign?
25:13Why do you come to our parking?
25:17Why do you come to our side of the sign?
25:19Why are you here? Why are you here, black widow?
25:22Are you here to show off or are you here to scratch the cars?
25:25Yes.
25:26Yes, of course I'm going to do whatever you want.
25:28I was waiting for you. I knew you were going to get out.
25:30I knew you were going to get out.
25:33I don't give a f**k what you do.
25:35If you want to scratch the car, scratch it.
25:37I have insurance against all risks.
25:38I don't give a f**k.
25:40But don't change anymore, old woman.
25:42Don't change anymore.
25:44I don't give a f**k what you say.
25:46You don't give a f**k?
25:48The only thing I'm telling you is to stop crying.
25:51Well, it's unbearable to live like this, isn't it?
25:54Besides, the neighbor...
25:56The neighbor also gets out.
25:58She gets out because she has the presumption that something bad is going to happen, doesn't she?
26:01They're fed up.
26:03They can't scratch her from the building.
26:05She's a problematic woman.
26:07She had criminal cases.
26:09They call her a black widow.
26:11The same neighbors call her a black widow.
26:13Besides, she makes gestures.
26:14She makes a face when she leaves.
26:16She does everything.
26:17But it's worth asking if she's not in her right mind.
26:19She shouldn't be, Javi.
26:21Beyond the crimes she commits and the damage to third parties,
26:24it seems like she has the mental faculties up.
26:27Well, she was already condemned several times because she has the faculties of good.
26:30Otherwise, they don't condemn her.
26:32They declare her unaccused.
26:33It's true.
26:34Besides, look how alive she is.
26:35When she sees a camera, she doesn't answer badly.
26:38No.
26:39She's a criminal.
26:40She's a criminal.
26:41She's a criminal who's going to end up killing someone if they don't stop her.
26:44Let's remember the antecedents, Javi.
26:46She was arrested for robbery.
26:48Obviously, she was also arrested for injuries.
26:51The crime, obviously, of supplying these medications,
26:57which obviously can cause death.
26:59Of course.
27:00In addition to injuries, right?
27:01And there's also this woman who told him that her daughter had had a problem
27:05as a result of her.
27:07It must have been because of the nerves she went through.
27:09Go find out why.
27:11This woman who is wandering everywhere.
27:14She tries to conquer the grace of people who are good
27:20and takes advantage of them to rob them.
27:23One day, she's going to kill someone.
27:25One day, she's going to kill someone.
27:27We don't know if it happened.
27:28We don't know if it happened because you don't really know who she was with.
27:31This is a shareholder who came a long time ago.
27:332007, 2008, you said.
27:342007.
27:35Of course.
27:36In 2007, she was also convicted.
27:37She was convicted twice for different crimes,
27:40but very similar for the same shareholder.
27:43Let's say, this woman is fine.
27:45She's 79.
27:46She's released because she's 79 years old.
27:48Because she's a septuagenarian.
27:50And well, because of these questions of the law.
27:52And because of the type of crime as well.
27:54Because if not, she would have to be in prison.
27:55If it's a homicide, it's not good.
27:56When Javi says he can commit something much bigger.
27:59Sure, he can kill someone.
28:00Look at what Selmira has to show.
28:02What do you have, Selmira?
28:03What do you have, Selmira?
28:04A document that shows what result the exam gave.
28:11An exam that one of the victims took.
28:13Correct?
28:18There it is.
28:19Hospital General de Agudos.
28:20Selmira, can you hear me?
28:21They did it in Piñairo.
28:24Yes, Facundo, repeat the question, please.
28:25I was talking to neighbors in the neighborhood.
28:27No, excuse me.
28:28We have a document that shows the rapid test for drug detection in one of the victims.
28:39And it gave her, well, what we're seeing, right?
28:41Positive.
28:44Yes, it gave her positive in that drug that contains Alplax, precisely.
28:48As you said, there may be many other male complaints that are very embarrassing to report.
28:56That, well, they fell into what is a black widow, that they were drugged in the café.
29:00The neighbors also in the neighborhood inform us that there are other victims.
29:04I myself have spoken with other neighbors who are very ashamed, very ashamed to talk about the subject
29:09and say, well, that they fell into the hands of Mrs. Gloria, as they know her in the neighborhood.
29:14But yes, they did the clinical analysis of this man who fell in Alvarez Hospital.
29:17He was the one who was shot at the cafeteria door in Villa Santa Rita.
29:21And he gave positive in the drug that contains Alplax.
29:24The same one that this woman was found with, with the 33 pills of Alplax.
29:28And now the justice says that it does not have enough evidence to stop her.
29:32There the drug is Benzodiazepines.
29:34All Benzos, calm down, help a person by raising the level of the inhibitory neurotransmitter in the brain.
29:40For example, Valium, Xanax or some Clonazepam.
29:44Of course.
29:45There is negative cocaine, marijuana, amphetamines, opiates.
29:49But not to this. Obviously that's it, right?
29:56Exactly.
29:58Selmira, let's see.
30:00The issue is also what are the risks of supplying in excess of this.
30:04Many.
30:05And also a person who does not need it.
30:06Many.
30:07Or who has a clinical background.
30:08Let's see, you put five pills of Alplax in a coffee.
30:11A person who has heart problems or depression.
30:13And what can happen?
30:14Sure.
30:15What are the risks?
30:16A neighbor claimed.
30:17What is needed for someone to do something here?
30:20Someone dies?
30:21There are already three complaints he has for drugging and supplying this narcotic to two men and a woman.
30:28Sure.
30:29The three ended up missing on the floor.
30:32Sure.
30:37Selmira, and there are more videos.
30:40There is the video of her hitting the security,
30:44complaining to the neighbors, insulting, complaining.
30:47And there is also another video that I'm going to show to the production.
30:52I did not find it excessively relevant.
30:54Yes, a strange attitude.
30:56This woman goes out at dawn to the door of the building
30:59and sees that there is a cartonero collecting garbage, collecting cardboard.
31:03Let's see.
31:04He makes him pass.
31:05At dawn.
31:06To the cartonero.
31:07To the cartonero.
31:08For what?
31:09I'm going to show it to the production.
31:10Let's see if we can see it.
31:11Because it is also an insecurity for the neighbors.
31:14I'll put the last video again.
31:16Give me the last video again and I'll give Selmira time.
31:19A cartonero inside the house.
31:21Poor people.
31:23And from what we see, many families with small children.
31:26Children.
31:27I don't want the children.
31:28I don't want security.
31:29And a cartonero comes in.
31:30Give me everything.
31:31I review all the videos again.
31:33Give me this one.
31:35Let's hear it.
31:36Let's hear it.
31:37I wasn't yelling at you.
31:38I was just screaming.
31:39Here you are filmed with the camera and I am filming you now too.
31:42Don't yell at me, ma'am.
31:43Never again.
31:44Last time you yell at me.
31:45I'm not yelling at you.
31:46You are wrong.
31:47You were yelling at me, ma'am.
31:48Last time you yell at me.
31:49Okay?
31:50You are wrong.
31:51No, no, no.
31:52I'm wrong.
31:53I'm not wrong at all.
31:54I'm tired of being wrong in this building.
31:56What happened?
31:57I never said anything.
31:58You never yell at me again.
32:00You are not my mother.
32:02You don't yell at me.
32:04Okay?
32:06We are friends, Gloria.
32:07You don't say anything.
32:08I've always spoken to you well.
32:09That's why.
32:10You found out about the car.
32:11We left it there.
32:12That's why.
32:13Well, that's up to you.
32:14It's your appreciation.
32:15I didn't say it.
32:16I never had a problem with you.
32:17But ma'am, you came yelling.
32:18Go now, go now.
32:19I have it filmed.
32:20Because when you give him the keys.
32:21Yes?
32:22What do we do?
32:23Ma'am, it's not until eight o'clock.
32:24I haven't taken any service yet.
32:25But to him.
32:26I don't care.
32:27I haven't taken any service yet.
32:28You have to pay him.
32:29Yes, he already went to do it.
32:30I pay the bill.
32:31He already went to do it.
32:35Don't fuck with me.
32:39What the fuck do you have to do here in Las Cocheras if you don't have a car.
32:42Let's see.
32:43What are you coming to?
32:44She says.
32:45Why are you coming to Las Cocheras?
32:46Why are you coming to Las Cocheras?
32:47What for you come to Las Cocheras?
32:47B賤 com push the cars.
32:51you come to the coaches?
32:53Why do you come to the coaches?
32:55I come to the coaches.
32:57Come on, why do you come to the coaches?
32:59Why do you come?
33:01Why do you come, black widow?
33:03Do you come to fan or to scratch the cars?
33:05Yes, of course I'm going to do whatever I want.
33:07I was waiting for you.
33:09I knew you were going to get off.
33:11I knew you were going to get off.
33:13I don't give a f*** what you do.
33:15If you want to scratch the car, do it.
33:17I have insurance against all risks.
33:19But you don't change anymore, old woman.
33:21You don't change anymore.
33:25I'm a professional.
33:27Oh, yes, you're a professional.
33:29You're a thief.
33:31You're a thief.
33:33I'm going to get off.
33:35Go to the bathroom.
33:37Go to the bathroom.
33:39Go to the bathroom.
33:41Go to the bathroom.
33:43Yes, and cover your ass.
33:45Go to the bathroom.
33:47You're a thief, black widow.
33:51She's downstairs.
33:53She's downstairs or in the garage?
33:55In the garage.
33:57Exciting coexistence, yes.
33:59Selmira, there's a new document, right?
34:01Tell it back and put it on air.
34:03There's a video where she sees it.
34:05Yes, she sees it at dawn.
34:07She goes out with a bag and stares at the movement in the neighborhood.
34:09She sees a cardboard shopper on the street
34:11collecting cardboard, waste,
34:13and invites him to come in.
34:15This video doesn't commit any crime,
34:17but it's one of the things that the neighbors report.
34:19These strange movements.
34:21She's a person who doesn't get a lot of family visits,
34:23just from her grandson once in a while.
34:25And here she was seen
34:27entering the building
34:29with total naturalness
34:31and you'll know why.
34:33It's one of the things that the neighbors report.
34:35Let's watch the video.
34:37Let's see.
34:39Security camera, right?
34:45Look at her, she's standing there.
34:47I think that's what she says, Cata.
34:49An analysis, right?
34:51She doesn't seem to have all her mental faculties.
34:53She's standing there, one in the morning,
34:55a big woman.
34:57She passes the cardboard shopper, she shouts at him.
34:59With a bag, what does she have there?
35:01She has a bag.
35:05It's a danger.
35:15She talks to the cardboard shopper.
35:17What if he has things?
35:19Of course, what is she trying to do?
35:21She can tell him that he has things to sell.
35:25A landlady comes in.
35:27Look at the woman.
35:31Look at the cardboard shopper.
35:35Look at the landlady.
35:37She opens the door, the woman comes in
35:39with the cardboard shopper, and she leaves.
35:41To the elevator, she left the cart outside
35:43because she has a big cart.
35:45In that case, if she has something to give to the boy,
35:47she's cartoning, of course,
35:49hold on, I'll get you down, the boxes, I don't know.
35:51It's crazy, Selmira.
35:53It's a danger.
35:55It's crazy and a danger
35:57also for her own physical integrity.
35:59To see an 80-year-old retired woman
36:01at one in the morning, standing at the door
36:03watching the movement of the neighborhood.
36:05I also showed another photo where she is standing at the door
36:07watching to see who comes in and who leaves
36:09because she was the one in charge.
36:11It's a woman who comes in, unknown to the apartment
36:13and to the owners themselves,
36:15sometimes she doesn't let them in
36:17and she stays at the door with her arms crossed
36:19and says, no, you don't come in with the boys,
36:21she insults them, spits at them.
36:23This is what the neighbors report.
36:25A neighbor, to name a number,
36:27lives on the sixth floor.
36:29She was about to take the elevator,
36:31she sees that this woman is about to leave
36:33and she goes up to the elevator again and gets off
36:35in the fifth floor and gets off the elevator again.
36:37And when she opens the doors of the elevator,
36:39she sees that the floor is stained with alcohol gel
36:41and also with garbage.
36:43Things that are pure evil.
36:45Now, what can you do?
36:47They have no reason or reason, so ...
36:49If you are an owner,
36:51I say, beyond this case,
36:53how many times does it happen that inside a building
36:55there are people who are not in their faculties
36:57and do these things.
36:59This can be done legally.
37:01And above all, you show a lot, Selmira,
37:03the time of the pandemic,
37:05which is a time when people
37:07shot even more
37:09mental health problems.
37:11Maybe that shot something else in her,
37:13some imbalance.
37:15Beyond her story as a criminal,
37:17because clearly, as Javi says,
37:19she has a record in justice.
37:21But I already did the same,
37:23I committed the same crime before.
37:25In 2007 I had been convicted for the same thing.
37:27And there she was 60 years old.
37:29Yes, it can be aggravated, obviously,
37:31by a pandemic issue, as Cata said.
37:33Let's say the mental faculties.
37:35But it is very dangerous.
37:37And on top of that, with the mental health law.
37:39You can't intern her compulsively.
37:41I don't know, Selmira ...
37:43What surprises me is that when I see her,
37:45I can't recognize her.
37:47I don't know if the neighbors told you anything
37:49about this woman's family.
37:51If she has relatives, if she doesn't.
37:53A grandson, right?
37:55The owner of the eighth floor
37:57where this woman lives is the grandson.
37:59This woman, Gloria, came here
38:01to live in 2020 and the grandson left.
38:03She comes from time to time to visit her
38:05and not much more.
38:07Then there are no visits from other relatives.
38:09And that's one of the things that surprised me.
38:11We've been here since 7 in the morning
38:13showing the face of this woman on all the channels.
38:15And yet, no relative,
38:17no friend, no acquaintance of the neighborhood
38:19approached us.
38:21At least to present a word of support
38:23or show the other side of the bell.
38:25No one, just neighbors and acquaintances
38:27of the neighborhood who approach to tell
38:29that they are afraid, that they have already denounced her,
38:31then there is no word of support for this woman
38:33or any relative who is contemplating her
38:35at this moment.
38:37At least to be present here.
38:39Of course, how incredible.
38:41Well, there you have a lot of the material
38:43that Celmira acceded,
38:45fighting with two neighbors,
38:47fighting with the security personnel.
38:49And the one from the police itself,
38:51I don't remember seeing it,
38:53which is the moment of detention.
38:55When they take her away.
38:57When they take her away, the city police act.
38:59From the area, from Ramos Falcón.
39:01From the forest area.
39:03Of course, here the production
39:05asks me, having 71 years,
39:07did they give her a house arrest?
39:09That is not clear either, is it?
39:11Because they could put a ankle on her.
39:13First they have to prove all the crimes.
39:15Of course, but she is not going to jail.
39:17A house arrest.
39:19Is she with a house arrest?
39:21Celmira, no.
39:23Apparently, no.
39:25Here, today, the city police came
39:27to see if they could find
39:29what the judge had dictated
39:31that they had to look for.
39:33The gold necklace, the pills.
39:35Nothing was found.
39:37No arrest warrant was issued.
39:39Therefore, they did not take this woman
39:41or have any security precinct.
39:43Nothing. This woman is free
39:45and tomorrow she can go out
39:47and make her daily life.
39:49For justice, there is not enough evidence.
39:51Of course, but it is an issue
39:53that will also have to be resolved
39:55from a judicial point of view
39:57through the consortium.
39:59Because living like this is impossible, right?
40:01You can say that it is she
40:03who denounced the consortium.
40:05Yes, through the consortium,
40:07but the consortium is also in trial with her.
40:09Of course.
40:11What else can the consortium do
40:13if they are already in trial?
40:15They, the consortium,
40:17have to pay her 10,000 dollars.
40:19No neighbor wants to go out
40:21to talk to her because
40:23there is no reason.
40:25It is a waste of time and money.
40:27Therefore, the neighbors got tired
40:29and started recording her
40:31every time she appeared.
40:33And to cover herself.
40:35Selmira, can we try to ring the bell?
40:37Let's see if she wants to talk.
40:39Of course.
40:41Let's see if she says Aurora, for example.
40:43Maybe she will answer Gloria.
40:45She wants to give her version
40:47and it is always good to hear everything, right?
40:53Hello, hello, hello.
40:55Hello, Gloria.
40:57No, figure calling.
40:59We have been trying this
41:01since very early,
41:03since 7 in the morning.
41:05Let's try a little more.
41:07A woman called me
41:09and told me that it was not Gloria,
41:11that Gloria ordered her to take care
41:13of the apartment and her cell phones
41:15because she has three cell phones.
41:17Three.
41:19And she hung up on me.
41:21She keeps calling.
41:23Here is a case from 2007.
41:252008.
41:27She was sentenced there, right?
41:29Yes, the man had invited her
41:31to the slaughterhouse.
41:33That's where they put the tranquilizers in the tea.
41:35The son of the owner of the house
41:37comes to the place, discovers the maneuver
41:39and there she is sentenced to three years and nine months.
41:41It was a slaughterhouse.
41:43Nothing, right, Selmira?
41:47No, nothing, nothing.
41:49We've been ringing the doorbell
41:51on the eighth floor since very early
41:53and there is no answer.
41:55We haven't seen her leave either.
41:57Yes, we know that she arrived yesterday
41:59at four in the afternoon and was present
42:01at the slaughterhouse.
42:03And you have a phone?
42:05Yes, we have her phone.
42:07The production also has it.
42:09If you want, we can try live.
42:11When you want, call her directly
42:13to the cell phone.
42:15The one that they told me
42:18That's not true.
42:20I didn't see Gloria leave
42:22and she was present at the slaughterhouse.
42:26Well, let's see what...
42:28The production tells me that they are
42:30trying to communicate with her
42:32to see what version they give, right?
42:34Yes.
42:35Nothing.
42:36It is important to listen to the two bells,
42:38to listen to what was her version
42:40of the events, also of the detention
42:42she had in 2008,
42:44as in the last two complaints
42:46and everything that the neighbors say.
42:48That's why we ask her that if she is watching us
42:50and wants to come down to speak
42:52or wants to answer the phone,
42:54that she can give her version,
42:56that no one is going to attack her
42:58and that it is important to listen
43:00to what she has to say.