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00:00Stand right here.
00:08Your Honor, it is over now.
00:11This has never been a case of trying to get free.
00:14I didn't ever want freedom.
00:16Frankly, I wanted death for myself.
00:19This was a case to tell the world
00:22that I did what I did not for reasons of hate.
00:25I hated no one.
00:27I knew I was sick or evil or both.
00:30Now I believe I was sick.
00:32The doctors have told me about my sickness
00:35and now I have some peace.
00:38I know how much harm I have caused.
00:41I tried to do the best I could
00:42after the arrest to make amends,
00:44but no matter what I did,
00:46I could not undo the terrible harm I have caused.
00:50My attempt to help identify the remains
00:52was the best that I could do,
00:55and that was hardly anything.
00:58I feel so bad for what I did to those poor families,
01:01and I understand their rightful hate.
01:05I know I will be in prison for the rest of my life.
01:08I know that I will have to turn to God
01:11to help me get through each day.
01:14I should have stayed with God.
01:15I tried and failed and created a holocaust.
01:19Thank God there will be no more harm that I can do.
01:23I believe that only the Lord Jesus Christ
01:25can save me from my sins.
01:28I have instructed Mr. Boyle to end this matter.
01:31I do not want to contest the civil case.
01:34I've told Mr. Boyle to try and finalize them if he can.
01:38If there is ever any money,
01:40I want it to go to the victims' families.
01:46I've talked to Mr. Boyle about other things
01:48that might help ease my conscience
01:50in some way of coming up with ideas
01:53on how to make some amends to these families,
01:55and I will work with him on that.
01:58I want to return to Ohio and quickly end that matter
02:00so that I can put all of this behind me
02:03and then come right back here to do my sentence.
02:06I decided to go through this trial for a number of reasons.
02:10One of the reasons was to let the world know
02:12that these were not hate crimes.
02:15I wanted the world in Milwaukee, which I deeply hurt,
02:18to know the truth of what I did.
02:20I didn't want unanswered questions.
02:24All the questions have now been answered.
02:26I wanted to find out just what it was
02:28that caused me to be so bad and evil.
02:31But most of all, Mr. Boyle and I decided
02:34that maybe there was a way for us to tell the world
02:36that if there are people out there with these disorders,
02:39maybe they can get some help
02:41before they end up being hurt or hurting someone.
02:44I think the trial did that.
02:47I take all the blame for what I did.
02:49I hurt many people.
02:51The judge in my earlier case tried to help me,
02:53and I refused his help, and he got hurt by what I did.
02:58I hurt those policemen in the Conorac matter,
03:00and I shall ever regret causing them to lose their jobs.
03:04And I hope and pray that they can get their jobs back
03:07because I know they did their best,
03:09and I just plain fooled them.
03:11For that, I am so sorry.
03:14I know I hurt my probation officer
03:18who was really trying to help me.
03:21I am so sorry for that and sorry for everyone else
03:24that I have hurt.
03:25I have hurt my mother and father and stepmother.
03:28I love them all so very much.
03:31I hope that they will find the same peace I am looking for.
03:36Mr. Boyle's associates, Wendy and Ellen,
03:38have been wonderful to me,
03:39helping me through this worst of all times.
03:42I want to publicly thank Mr. Boyle.
03:44He didn't need to take this case,
03:47but when I asked him to help me find the answers
03:49and to help others if I could,
03:51he stayed with me and went way overboard
03:54in trying to help me.
03:56Mr. Boyle and I agreed that it was never a matter
03:58of trying to get off.
04:00It was only a matter of which place I would be housed
04:03the rest of my life, not for my comfort,
04:06but for trying to study me in the hopes of helping me
04:08and learning to help others who might have problems.
04:12I know I will be in prison.
04:15I pledge to talk to doctors
04:16who might be able to find some answers.
04:19In closing, I just want to say
04:23that I hope God has forgiven me.
04:25I know society will never be able to forgive me.
04:29I know the families of the victims
04:30will never be able to forgive me for what I have done.
04:34I promise I will pray each day to ask for their forgiveness
04:38when the hurt goes away, if ever.
04:44I have seen their tears,
04:45and if I could give my life right now
04:47to bring their loved ones back, I would do it.
04:50I am so very sorry.
04:54Your Honor, I know that you are about to sentence me.
04:57I ask for no consideration.
05:00I want you to know that I have been treated perfectly
05:02by the deputies who have been in your court
05:04and the deputies who work the jail.
05:06The deputies have treated me very professionally,
05:09and I want everyone to know that.
05:11They have not given me special treatment.
05:14Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance.
05:18Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners,
05:21of who I am the worst.
05:23But for that very reason, I was shown mercy
05:26so that in me, the worst of sinners,
05:28Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience
05:32as an example for those who would believe in him
05:35and receive eternal life.
05:37Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible,
05:41the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever.
05:45I know my time in prison will be terrible,
05:48but I deserve whatever I get because of what I have done.
05:52Thank you, Your Honor, and I am prepared for your sentence,
05:54which I know will be the maximum.
05:56I ask for no consideration.
06:04There is nothing else in the defense, Your Honor, to do.
06:08Better, Your Honor, thank you.
06:12It now becomes the duty of the court
06:14to impose sentence in this case,
06:18and one of my obligations is to set forth on the record
06:23the basis for the sentence imposed.
06:29In doing that, I'm required to consider
06:31the seriousness of the offenses,
06:35the needs of the community for protection
06:36from the defendant, as well as the needs of the defendant.
06:46In doing this, there are some observations
06:49that I would like to make.
06:51You know, I've spent three weeks listening,
06:55and now it's my time to say a few things.
07:01One of the things is that real people,
07:07have been involved in this case,
07:10and have been affected by it.
07:12I thought, you know, the first family statement that I got,
07:15which went down and said a little bit about the feelings
07:19of each of the family members,
07:21I think conveyed that it's real people
07:25that have been affected by the crimes
07:28that have been committed here,
07:31and that doesn't go to just one family,
07:32it goes to all the families,
07:34but I thought that one particularly stood out in my mind
07:37with the way it was done.
07:42However, the victim's families are not
07:44the only real people involved in this case.
07:49There's the defendant's family,
07:52and, you know, this is a court
07:58that handles criminal matters on a regular basis.
08:01Right now, we're designated as a violent crime court,
08:06so it's not unusual for us to see
08:09not just the families of victims,
08:14but also the families of defendant.
08:18You know, time and time again,
08:23you see a situation where the defendant
08:27comes from a good family,
08:29but committed a horrible crime.
08:35We must sentence the defendant for committing that crime
08:37knowing full well
08:42that the family of the defendant
08:48will also be adversely affected,
08:50and perhaps did nothing
08:53for which they should be hurt any more
08:56than the victim's families did anything
08:58for which they should be hurt.
09:03A number of you have heard me use the expression before,
09:06I wish I had that magic button
09:08that I could put things back in place,
09:12but I don't have the power
09:17to bring people back to life.
09:20You know, that's in the hands of somebody else.
09:23I can't change what's happened.
09:29What I have to do is acknowledge the facts as they are,
09:33and proceed to a meaningful sentence.
09:39We heard a great deal of talk in this case
09:41about mental disease.
09:45The jury found that a mental disease did not exist.
09:49I think correctly so.
09:55What I noticed is that
09:59many of the participants, including both lawyers,
10:03had difficulty using mental disease
10:07as a term separate from mental illness.
10:11Many times those terms were, I think,
10:13unconsciously used interchangeably.
10:17Mental disease is a word of art,
10:20a legal word of art, defined in the statute book.
10:28Some mental conditions or mental illness, by definition,
10:35do not constitute a mental disease.
10:39And had it become necessary for the court to rule,
10:43it would be the ruling of this court
10:46that a paraphilia, as a matter of definition,
10:49is not a mental disease,
10:51as that term is defined in our statute.
10:54One of the things that was particularly significant to me,
10:58when we had our psychiatric and psychological experts
11:02on the stand, and they were talking,
11:04what was it, DSM-3R, the thick book that we had,
11:09was that when this term paraphilia was coined,
11:14it was coined to replace sexual deviant.
11:19And it was done so because they were carving out
11:23from the definition homosexuality,
11:29because there had been a change in public attitude
11:32in regard to that particular situation.
11:36It seems to me that in doing so,
11:41the people defining the term
11:43were trying to do, not necessarily
11:44they were trying to conform to Wisconsin law,
11:47but they were trying to create a term
11:49that fits that exception that we have in our statute,
11:54which says that an abnormality manifested
11:57only by repeated criminal or otherwise antisocial conduct
12:01does not constitute a mental disease.
12:04You see, what the statute's doing
12:06is taking some things that constitute a mental condition
12:10and say, as we use the term mental disease,
12:14that's not included within that language.
12:17I say that because I think I owe it to my profession,
12:20having heard all the testimony that I've heard,
12:23to set forth on the record what my views are
12:27as far as that particular situation is concerned.
12:32It never became necessary for me specifically to rule on it.
12:41As to the seriousness of the offense,
12:44I've listened to the testimony
12:45the way everybody else has listened to the testimony,
12:47the way our 14 jurors listened to the testimony,
12:52and I too have a view of what's going on,
12:58or what was going on as far as Mr. Dahmer is concerned.
13:03First of all, every witness that examined him
13:05told us he was an intelligent man,
13:07probably superior intelligence.
13:11I agreed that he used that intelligence
13:16to manipulate people.
13:18I don't think there's any question about it.
13:21I believe what we had was a homosexual
13:27who could not accept the fact that he was a homosexual,
13:34that he from time to time
13:36involved himself in homosexual activities,
13:39and there was never a problem
13:42in a situation that he could walk away from
13:45and remain, in effect, anonymous.
13:49But once he brought somebody to his home,
13:52he could no longer remain anonymous,
13:55and therefore he was caught.
14:00There's one way to avoid that, destroy the evidence.
14:04It's a vicious way to destroy the evidence,
14:07but that's my view of what was going on.
14:13In terms of what happened to these people,
14:18gosh, I was horrified.
14:21You know, when we asked the questions in jury selection
14:24about how you react to some of these things,
14:29fortunately, nobody gets to ask the judge that question.
14:33Nobody gets to ask the judge
14:34how you feel about horror movies,
14:37because I'll tell you what I do, I turn them off.
14:40That's one of the powers that you have
14:42when you control the television set.
14:49I can go into other things in my background that,
14:52well, let's talk about it.
14:55There was a time in my life
14:58that I made a living in a packing house,
15:02and I was a little squeamish
15:05in terms of dealing with animals.
15:11Gosh, no, I gotta be squeamish
15:12when we talk about doing some of those same things
15:15to human beings, real people.
15:20I saw Dr. Fosdale on the witness stand.
15:24Here's a physician.
15:27I don't know if any of you noticed it,
15:29but I noticed it, that he got very, very uncomfortable
15:31when he was talking about what was done
15:33to these human beings.
15:35I don't know if you noticed it.
15:44People are looking to me
15:45to provide a measure of protection to the community,
15:47and I don't think there's only one way
15:51that that protection can be provided,
15:56and that is to see that this defendant
16:01never again has the opportunity
16:04to walk the streets of our community as a free man.
16:10That really, that's part of judicial discretion, I guess,
16:13but it really, in this case,
16:14doesn't require a whole lot of discretion.
16:16I can't imagine anybody else
16:18coming up with any other conclusion,
16:21and I think that's been acknowledged
16:22by both the defense attorney and the defendant himself.
16:28As to treatment, the needs of the defendant,
16:36that's something, in what the court does in sentencing,
16:39that's not within the discretion of the court,
16:41but it is within the discretion of the institution
16:44where he will be going.
16:49As I listened to the parade
16:52of psychiatric and psychological experts,
16:58I didn't hear anybody say
17:00that he was a totally normal individual.
17:06I think the opinion is universal,
17:10that he has some significant problems,
17:12and if he can benefit, or society can benefit,
17:16from treatment or study,
17:19I think that should happen within the institutional system,
17:24and there's no reason why it can't.
17:28Mr. Dahmer made reference to religion.
17:35Anybody have any idea how many defendants find religion
17:38when they come before this court for sentencing?
17:42Do they sincerely find it?
17:44I don't know.
17:46How do I determine that?
17:48Some of them keep that newfound sense of religion
17:50all the way till that door over there.
17:54Some keep it a lot longer.
17:58You know, that's something between God and Mr. Dahmer,
18:03and if indeed he's found religion,
18:05I hope that he keeps it, and I hope it helps him
18:09for the rest of his life,
18:10which is gonna be spent in one of our penal institutions.
18:18Mr. McKeon, is it the first two counts
18:20on which there's a habitual,
18:21I don't have the complaint in front of me.
18:23Is that correct?
18:26It actually attaches to all of them, Your Honor.
18:29All counts, but only the first two?
18:32No, it attaches to all 15.
18:33I addressed specifically the first two
18:37because that would add 10 years
18:40to what would be the minimum parole release.
18:42And on the others, I have the discretion
18:44because it's under the new statute.
18:47Clearly, he falls within the habitual criminality statute,
18:51and the court makes that finding.
18:55As to count one,
18:59the court will impose the mandatory life sentence
19:04plus an additional 10 years on the habitual criminality.
19:09Count two, life imprisonment
19:13plus 10 years
19:17consecutive to count one.
19:21Count three,
19:25life imprisonment
19:28with the date of parole eligibility
19:3370 years from the inception of that particular sentence.
19:37I don't have all the numbers that I can't work it out,
19:39but it'll be 70 years from the beginning of that sentence,
19:43which will be consecutive
19:46to count two.
19:49Count four, life imprisonment
19:53with the parole eligibility to be 70 years
19:57from the commencement of that sentence,
19:59consecutive.
20:01Where am I at on the numbers?
20:02Somebody has to.
20:07Madam Reporter, what was the last?
20:09I should check this off on here.
20:14Last four.
20:15Four was the last one, okay.
20:17Count five, life imprisonment,
20:19parole eligibility to be 70 years
20:22after the inception of that sentence
20:23to be consecutive to count four.
20:26Count six,
20:30life imprisonment with parole eligibility
20:32to be 70 years after the inception of that sentence
20:35to be consecutive to count five.
20:39Count seven, life imprisonment with parole eligibility
20:43to be 70 years after the inception of that sentence
20:46to be consecutive to count six.
20:48Count eight, life imprisonment with parole eligibility
20:53to be 70 years after the inception of that sentence
20:56to be consecutive to count seven.
20:59Count nine, life imprisonment with parole eligibility
21:02to be 70 years after the inception of that sentence
21:06to be consecutive to count eight.
21:08Count 10, life imprisonment with parole eligibility
21:15to be 70 years after the inception of that sentence
21:18to be consecutive to count nine.
21:21Count 11, life imprisonment with parole eligibility
21:26to be 70 years after the inception of that sentence
21:29to be consecutive to count 10.
21:32Count 12, life imprisonment with parole eligibility
21:36to be 70 years after the inception of that sentence
21:39to be consecutive to count 11.
21:42Count 13, life imprisonment with parole eligibility
21:49to be 70 years after the inception of that sentence
21:51to be consecutive to count 12.
21:54Count 14, life imprisonment with parole eligibility
21:59to be 70 years after the inception of that sentence
22:04to be consecutive to count 13.
22:08Count 15, life imprisonment with parole eligibility
22:11to be 70 years after the inception of that sentence
22:14to be consecutive to count 14.
22:19I believe I have and I intended to follow
22:24the recommendation of the state.
22:27I could have said something different
22:31which would have had the same impact.
22:33I really see, nobody gains anything
22:38by just to say more and more years.
22:41The important point is that the sentence
22:43is structured in such a way that this defendant
22:47will never again see freedom.
22:49That is owed to this community
22:51in order to protect the community
22:53as well as acknowledgement of the seriousness
22:56of the offenses.
22:57Those are the reasons the sentence, of course,
23:00is to the state prison system.
23:03One thing I didn't provide, all of these sentences
23:06are consecutive to the time he's presently serving.
23:11There are appellate rights, Mr. Boyle,
23:13you'll be reviewing with your client his appellate rights.
23:15I'd like to indicate to the court
23:16that they will be signed in proper form.
23:19The part that will be checked as required
23:21is that he is undecided.
23:23It's only to preserve the right,
23:25to move it along the proper way.
23:27The final decision will be made within 20 days
23:30after we had some settlement here.
23:32I don't anticipate there will be an appeal.
23:34I only say that because that's what my client
23:36wanted me to say, but I still want deliberation
23:39on that decision and I want to make that
23:42a part of the record.
23:43Lastly, Your Honor, I am required to ask
23:45the court on the record for a 10-minute contact visit
23:48with his stepmother and father,
23:50and I would ask the court would grant that.
23:52Are they present?
23:53They're in some hallway, I didn't know they were.
23:56They're present in the building, is what you're saying.
23:57I understand, they are, I have not seen them.
23:59Any objection to that, Mr. Truby?
24:00I do not have a request.
24:01So ordered.
24:02Thank you, Your Honor.
24:04Anything further for the court?
24:06No, please, the court, thank you.
24:08Court's in recess.