The Menendez Brothers Interview with Barbara Walters (1996)

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00:00Eric and Lyle Menendez, the infamous brothers, the savagery of their crime, the murders of

00:06both their mother and father seem beyond comprehension.

00:11Tonight for the very first time out of court, you will hear their story.

00:15Tonight watching our interview, you can reach your own verdict about them.

00:19We begin with the crime itself.

00:22A hot August night in 1989, the Beverly Hills mansion of entertainment executive Jose Menendez.

00:30He and his wife Kitty are watching television in the family room.

00:34Suddenly, a brutal volley of shotgun fire.

00:37Jose Menendez is killed by a close in shot to the head.

00:41He has five other shotgun wounds.

00:43Kitty Menendez's body is riddled with shotgun pellets.

00:47She had ten wounds on her.

00:49She was getting blasted all over that room.

00:59The voice of Lyle Menendez, then 21 years old, who tells police that he and his brother Eric, then 18,

01:05discovered the bodies as they returned home from a movie.

01:09Lyle and Eric Menendez lied successfully for months.

01:13But if their crime was a horror movie, their undoing was the stuff of soap opera.

01:18Eric, in torment, confessed his crime to his therapist, Dr. Jerome Ozeel.

01:23Lyle then also admitted to the murders.

01:26Their confession was overheard by Ozeel's mistress, Judelon Smith, and she went to the police.

01:32Lyle was arrested in California.

01:34Eric, who had been traveling overseas, voluntarily flew home to surrender.

01:39Three years later, the Menendez brothers went on trial for their lives.

01:44I was just firing. As I went into the room, I just started firing.

01:47In what direction? In front of me.

01:49What was in front of you?

01:51My parents.

01:53And I remember firing directly at them.

01:56You reloaded?

02:00Is that yes? Yes.

02:02And what did you do after you reloaded?

02:18I ran around and shot my mom.

02:21This is the woman who gave birth to them.

02:24This is what they did to their mother.

02:26The jury heard tapes of the brothers' confession to Dr. Ozeel.

02:34When their turn came, Eric and Lyle Menendez told a rapt courtroom

02:38that the murder of their parents was an act of self-defense.

02:41They said they were in fear of their lives from a controlling father

02:45who had been sexually abusing them.

02:48He raped me.

02:52Did you cry?

02:54Yes.

02:56Did you bleed? Yes.

03:00Were you scared? Very.

03:03Lyle said his abuse stopped when he was eight,

03:06but that he didn't know until just before the murders

03:09that Eric was being molested, too.

03:11What do you believe was the originating cause

03:17of you and your brother ultimately winding up shooting your parents?

03:23Um, me telling...

03:29You telling what?

03:31Me telling Lyle that, uh...

03:35You telling Lyle what?

03:40Was it you telling Lyle about something that was happening?

03:44My dad...

03:48My dad had been molesting me.

03:51The brothers' testimony was compelling and effective.

03:55Relatives testified on their behalf

03:57about incidents in which their father treated the sons harshly,

04:01though none of them could actually confirm the allegations of sexual abuse.

04:06The jurors could not decide between verdicts of murder and manslaughter.

04:11I find that the jury is hopelessly deadlocked,

04:14and the court declares a mistrial.

04:17In August of 1995, now six years after their parents' murders,

04:22the Menendez brothers went on trial again.

04:25This time, there were no video cameras.

04:28Eric testified, but Lyle chose not to.

04:31Judge Stanley Weisberg again presided,

04:33but in a major blow for them, limited the brothers' claims to self-defense.

04:37There were far fewer grounds this time for a possible verdict of manslaughter.

04:42The jury deliberated for less than four days.

04:45The verdict? Lyle and Eric Menendez, both guilty of first-degree murder.

04:50The jury spent three more days deciding between life and death.

04:54The verdict here was life, in prison with no parole.

04:58The Menendez brothers have spent more than six years in this building,

05:02the Los Angeles County Jail.

05:04Eric lives in the identical cell next to this one.

05:07It measures 7 1⁄2 by 9 feet.

05:10Lyle's cell, in another wing of the jail, is slightly smaller.

05:13Both brothers are segregated from the general population.

05:17Each of the brothers separately is allowed up to three hours of exercise a week

05:21on the jail's roof.

05:23Eric and Lyle Menendez will be moved to state prison,

05:26perhaps even to separate prisons, this summer.

05:29The interview took place in the jail's administrative wing,

05:32some distance from their cells.

05:34You may find Eric and Lyle Menendez to be cunning and manipulative,

05:40as their second jury seems to have,

05:42pronouncing them guilty of first-degree murder.

05:45Or, like many of the jurors at their first trial,

05:47you may decide that they are credible

05:49and that their story strikes a sympathetic chord.

05:52That is perhaps for you to determine.

05:54My job was to ask the questions, beginning with this one.

05:59What went through your mind when you heard that verdict,

06:03first-degree murder, guilty?

06:07That I was going to spend the rest of my life in prison

06:11without any possibility of ever getting released.

06:16And you're just devastated.

06:20I was devastated.

06:22Could have been death.

06:24Did you think that?

06:25I was terrified that they would give either one of us death,

06:29and that's scary.

06:32It's important to you to stay together

06:35when you get moved to the state prison?

06:38Very important.

06:40That is what's gotten us through these six years,

06:43and through our life.

06:47The family that Eric and I grew up in,

06:51we had to be there for each other throughout,

06:54and it really created a bond

06:56that gets us through very rough periods.

06:59Some people might say,

07:00why should we put them together?

07:02I mean, look what they did.

07:04They should be punished as much as possible.

07:06Let's separate them.

07:07What do you say to that?

07:09You know people will say that, some.

07:14There's nothing to say to that.

07:17What we did was awful,

07:21and I wish I could go back.

07:23We will spend the rest of our life in prison,

07:26but if we're not put in the same prison,

07:33there's a good probability I will never see him again.

07:36And that I...

07:45Some things that you cannot take,

07:47and there's some things that you can endure

07:51but with everything taken away,

07:53it's the last thing you can take.

07:56Do you think the media has portrayed you fairly?

07:59Can you tell?

08:01I don't know if anyone can be portrayed fairly in the media,

08:04who they are.

08:05Well, let me say it.

08:06There are people, a great number of people,

08:09who think that you two are spoiled brats,

08:12that you are evil,

08:15that you are monsters.

08:17What do you say to them?

08:19I know I'm not who I am, but I can't defend that.

08:26Because I came from a family of wealth,

08:31it doesn't make me spoiled.

08:33I would be surprised if anybody that was present at the trial

08:38and saw the whole thing rather than snippets on the news

08:42would feel that.

08:44A jury found you both guilty.

08:46That's right, but I don't think you aren't guilty

08:48because they found you spoiled.

08:51Or evil.

08:52Or evil.

08:53I'm just a normal kid.

08:56Oh, Eric, you're a normal kid who killed your parents.

09:00Yeah, I know.

09:01And you still say you're a normal kid?

09:05Well, I didn't have normal experiences, but I am.

09:08I did that, and there's not a day that goes by

09:12that I don't think about what happened

09:14and wish that I could take that moment back or change what happened.

09:19But it's hard to live with that.

09:31Do you feel remorse?

09:33Tremendous remorse.

09:37And I think there's tremendous pain.

09:41From the second that I got back to the house after the shootings,

09:46I saw what happened, and I said,

09:48This is wrong. This is awful.

09:50How could this have happened?

09:51I couldn't accept it.

09:53You couldn't accept it, but you called the police.

09:56You pretended that you hadn't done it.

09:58You cried.

10:00You went off on a spending spree.

10:03I mean, we all read about it.

10:04You bought Rolexes. You bought cars.

10:06You didn't say, Oh, my God, what have I done?

10:09And turn yourself in.

10:11Well, that's not really what happened.

10:15Well, I sort of stuck it all together.

10:17Yeah, you did a good job at it.

10:21We got back to the house.

10:22The police were there, and it was a matter of telling them you did it

10:28or just saying, I don't know who did it.

10:30And that's what we did.

10:32And if I could go back, perhaps I'd say I did it.

10:37Part of that started from the fact that we waited afterwards,

10:42and the police did not come.

10:45And in that time that we waited and waited,

10:49we did make a bad decision to not have to.

10:54We expected the police to be there.

10:56You expected the police to come there and arrest you.

10:59Twelve shots in the middle of Beverly Hills on a Sunday night,

11:02and no one calls the police.

11:04We're waiting at the house.

11:05No one shows up.

11:07And I still can't believe it.

11:10So you call the police.

11:11But at that point, you had already decided.

11:14We had decided not to.

11:15That you weren't going to say anything.

11:16We were very stunned, and we felt that we would go to jail, obviously.

11:22And it was a selfish reason to just not want to have to go through that.

11:27What about spending the money?

11:29You know, cars, watches, invested in businesses, the good life.

11:35Well, it was the same life before or afterwards.

11:38With more money?

11:39With more money.

11:41But I didn't know what to do with the money.

11:44It got to a point where I have all this money and so much pain,

11:49I don't know what to do with it.

11:50And eventually. . .

11:52I don't know. You're losing me.

11:56I would think that you would be in such grief

11:58that you wouldn't be able to buy Rolexes and invest in businesses.

12:01Explain to me. Let me understand.

12:03You know, I'm the public.

12:05I don't think that it's understandable.

12:07I mean, people react to a traumatic event like that in different ways.

12:15You went to your psychologist, Dr. Ozil,

12:19and told him that you had committed this crime.

12:23It got to a point where I could no longer live.

12:25I felt that I was the worst person on earth,

12:27and it got to a point where I couldn't live with myself anymore and I needed help.

12:32And so I went to him, and that is what the catalyst was for me getting arrested in Lyle.

12:38You've had a lot of therapy.

12:40Six years of intense therapy.

12:42How are you different than the man who came in here?

12:47I'm six years older. I'm a lot more mature.

12:50I came in here as an 18-year-old kid who didn't know anything about life.

12:55What did you learn about yourself?

12:58I learned that—I learned what love was about.

13:04I learned what love was about because of my grandmother,

13:06because of all my relatives who didn't say,

13:09I can't believe you did this.

13:11Instead they said, Eric, I know who you are.

13:13You're not this type of person.

13:15You're not the type of person who could do this for no reason.

13:18Have you had therapy, Lyle?

13:20The same. The same therapy.

13:23It really works to just have someone you can communicate with that's willing to listen.

13:30All our lives it was just sort of fending off things.

13:35It almost sounds like prison was a good thing for you.

13:38It was.

13:39It was?

13:40At first, I mean, I killed my parents,

13:45and I spent six months out there in horrible agony because I had done this.

13:51I mean, a year before I told my mother how much I loved her.

13:56I could not have imagined doing this even a week before to her.

14:00I adored her.

14:02And then suddenly you're arrested, and everyone can know you did it,

14:05and you can finally tell people, and it's a relief.

14:09Lyle, you're looking at your brother like you almost never heard this before.

14:12Tell me how you felt.

14:14For me, emotionally being in prison conditions was really not—

14:23emotionally was not a shocking difference from the life we had lived

14:27because we lived really a very stressful, fearful life.

14:33To me, it was kind of like I felt I should be punished.

14:41It didn't feel good, but there was a part of you that feels like it's better.

14:46You get a lot of mail?

14:48We still get a tremendous amount of mail.

14:50Hundreds?

14:52We've gotten hundreds, thousands over the years.

14:54We asked your lawyers to give us a sample of some of your letters.

14:59A great many of them seem to deal with some people who have been abused themselves

15:04and relate to you.

15:06Lyle, what do you say to people who write to you?

15:08A lot of people that have written were very—

15:14they drew a lot of strength from watching the trial and from seeing Eric and I.

15:18And I've gotten mail after the verdict of people discouraged.

15:23And I wanted to say to them to not lose hope because of this one case

15:32and this one verdict.

15:33Very unique situation here.

15:35And that this does not mean that if they go get help, people won't believe them

15:39or people will treat them harshly or they'll be ridiculed.

15:42I don't feel they will be.

15:44That's not to say do what we did.

15:45Don't do what we did, but don't be afraid.

15:47People that want to reach out to social workers for help but are ashamed or afraid.

15:52Do you also get love letters?

15:54Yeah, some.

15:55Do you find that strange?

15:57It's a strange phenomenon that a lot of love letters come in

16:02from people that don't know you at all.

16:04Do either one of you have girlfriends?

16:06Do either one of you have someone who cares particularly about you

16:09now at this point in your life?

16:11I do.

16:12I have someone who I love very much

16:14and is a saint to put up with everything that comes with this.

16:21Can you tell us who she is?

16:23Yeah, her name is Anna Erickson, and I hope that we can get married.

16:30Even though it's a very limited relationship because of where we are,

16:33the exchange of love and sharing, it keeps you in touch with yourself and softer.

16:41Otherwise you can become very hard and cold in here.

16:45Is this someone you knew before prison?

16:47No.

16:48Is this someone who began to write to you and meet you?

16:50She wrote me many years ago, and I've come to know her well,

16:54but just someone that I met through the mail.

16:57And she wants to marry you?

16:58She does.

17:00Eric?

17:02No, not at the moment.

17:04You're not going to meet a lot in prison, are you?

17:07No, I probably won't.

17:10It's hard.

17:11Lyle's more able to have that type of relationship.

17:16Eric, you know that the prosecutor brought up the fact that you might have been a homosexual

17:22and that this might have caused some of the fury on your father's part.

17:26Yes, it did.

17:28I didn't hear about girlfriends.

17:32They were there.

17:33I guess what I just have to say to you is, are you gay?

17:36No.

17:38The prosecutor brought that up because I was sexually molested,

17:45and he felt in his own thinking that if I was sodomized by my father that I must have enjoyed it

17:53and therefore I must be gay and the people that are gay out there must be sexually molested

17:59or they wouldn't be.

18:02It was upsetting to hear, but I'm not gay.

18:08But a lot of gay people write and feel connected to me.

18:13A problem at the trial was the gender bias,

18:16that because we were dealing with males in an incest family,

18:23there's sort of perceptions that maybe it was something that he wanted,

18:29something that he allowed to happen,

18:31that he shouldn't be allowed to feel afraid because he's a male.

18:36I really felt that people might have seen this case very differently

18:41if it were a sister that I was protecting or that was involved in this and not a brother.

18:48You know this whole business of abuse excuse,

18:51that you were abused by your parents, sexually abused, emotionally abused,

18:56by this tough, unyielding father.

18:58But there are lots of people who are abused sexually in other ways

19:03and they don't kill their parents and you've been ridiculed for this abuse excuse.

19:07What do you say about it?

19:09Abuse excuse is a word that Alan Dershowitz made up not knowing anything about the case.

19:16If, I mean, to simplify it to its simplest degree,

19:21if a person is raped, man or woman, and she kills the man who raped her,

19:27is it an excuse that the reason she killed him is because she was raped?

19:30Of course not.

19:32I certainly never felt that what I did was justified or right.

19:36It was just a question of how wrong was it.

19:39I think that was a big misperception about this case,

19:42that it was about justification or excuse.

19:45And my brother and I essentially pled guilty.

19:49That was very hard for me to hear the ridicule about that

19:52because I really felt that Eric and I,

19:56we could have gone to trial like most people and just sort of,

20:00we weren't there, wasn't us, and had that trial.

20:02What do you mean, we could have gone to trial, we weren't there?

20:04Well, you could go to trial and just say that I was, you know,

20:08chipping golf balls at the time and I wasn't there.

20:11And Eric and I went to trial and said, we did this.

20:14Ah, there were tapes, there were tapes.

20:16Tapes became admissible because we said we did it.

20:19Lyle and I fought because he wanted to,

20:24he felt that telling the world that Dad was a sexual torturer,

20:31was killing Dad twice, and he did not want to kill Dad twice.

20:34And he fought and he said, I don't want to go up there,

20:36I'm not going to take the stand, I'm not going to do it.

20:39And then when he did, there was a great outpouring,

20:43but there was also people laughing at him and it was strange.

20:47Eric, you were able to tell your psychologist that you had killed your parents,

20:53but you were not able to tell your psychologist that your father had abused you?

20:58Unless you've been molested, you can't realize how hard it is to tell.

21:05Because of shame?

21:06Because of shame.

21:08The story continues now, the scene being set for murder.

21:14Describe your relationship with your father.

21:17What words come into your mind?

21:19Brutal.

21:24Painful.

21:28Torturous.

21:31And yet I thought that he was the most powerful and brilliant person I had ever met.

21:37I was his firstborn son, that was very important to him,

21:40and my bond with him was, I thought, strong,

21:46because we had been through so much together,

21:50but it was difficult to see the things that were going on.

21:55Things that were going on, that is, when you learned that he was sexually molesting your brother?

22:00He had sexually molested me before I was a teenager,

22:04and it was a much different experience than Eric's.

22:07Because you were little?

22:08Because I was little, I guess.

22:10You know, there are some questions that everybody asks, like,

22:15why didn't you run away?

22:19I wish that I could have.

22:22I tried to run away when I was 12, and my father found me,

22:26he caught me, and said,

22:28if you ever run away, I will kill you, I will find you, and I will kill you.

22:33Suppose you left and you, I don't know what, became a waiter and moved away,

22:37you still thought he'd find you?

22:39He'd find me, and probably kill me.

22:42I thought for certain he would kill me.

22:43You still think that?

22:44Oh, absolutely.

22:45Did you love your mother, or like your mother?

22:47I loved my mother, and I tried to help her.

22:49My mother was a person in a lot of pain,

22:52and she was alcoholic, and she was suicidal.

22:56Did she know about the abuse, the sexual abuse?

22:58She knew.

22:59And didn't do anything?

23:00She knew, and it doesn't seem that she did anything.

23:04Do you still think about the night of the murder?

23:07Every day.

23:08You both do?

23:10Tell me as clearly as you can why you murdered your parents that night.

23:17The first thing that comes to mind is terror.

23:20I was so afraid.

23:22A few days before, I had said to myself,

23:25I'm never going to let my father touch me again.

23:28After I told Lyle that it had been continuing on,

23:31I said to myself, I'm never going to let him touch me again.

23:35And just before the shootings, my dad told me to get to my room,

23:39and that he would be there in a minute,

23:41and he was going to come up, and there was going to be sex,

23:44and it was like an explosion in my mind.

23:47But you'd bought the guns.

23:49It wasn't something that just happened that moment.

23:51You'd thought about it.

23:52No.

23:53You'd bought the guns in advance.

23:54They just weren't in the house.

23:55Yes, we bought the guns in advance.

23:57So, this didn't just happen that moment.

24:00We bought the guns.

24:01There was a series of confrontations and blowups in the house.

24:06My dad, when it first was revealed that I had told Lyle about the secret,

24:11my dad said to Lyle, you're going to tell everyone,

24:15and I'm not going to let that happen.

24:17Take me through your mind, Lyle.

24:20I cannot separate and say this is why this happened.

24:26My father was threatening us, and so there was fear,

24:29but there was anger on my part,

24:33and my mother was aware and had a lighter self of my father.

24:40There was a great deal of confusion.

24:43This happened all in just three days,

24:45and I wish I could give anything to just turn back that one page of my life.

24:54The other big question.

24:56You killed your father who was molesting you.

25:00Why did you kill your mother?

25:02On Thursday night before, in one of the explosions,

25:06I was running downstairs, and I was crying,

25:10and my mother was on the couch, and she had been drinking,

25:13and she said, what's wrong with you?

25:16And I said, nothing, nothing, you wouldn't understand.

25:18And she said, oh, I understand.

25:20What do you think, I'm stupid?

25:22And she told me that she knew,

25:25that she had known all my life what my father was doing,

25:29and it was like I didn't even know who she was anymore,

25:32and I just saw Dad and Mom as the same person at that point.

25:36I saw them as a single person.

25:38Really the first time that this secret about what was happening with Dad and Eric

25:43was discussed openly in the family in a very angry way.

25:48I don't know about Eric, but I completely lost control of myself,

25:53and I, in that time, I didn't separate.

25:57I knew my mother and my father, I just,

26:00I was just, it was just adrenaline and fear and anger.

26:04I lost control.

26:08There is no explanation.

26:11You had thought about this earlier,

26:14because you had bought the gardens several days before.

26:16I knew that this could end,

26:19this could, a violent confrontation could occur,

26:21because my father had threatened my life.

26:23You still think your father would have killed you for revealing the secret?

26:26You both still feel that?

26:27There's no question.

26:28Really?

26:29I still believe that.

26:30I don't believe that he was in the process of killing us that moment, that evening.

26:35But I, you know,

26:38and I don't think that this, it might seem,

26:41because there are so few cases that come to the public's attention like this,

26:45that this has never occurred ever before in the country.

26:48And in fact, there are over 200 parasites a year that involve incest families.

26:54And so, you know, I felt it completely then, and now,

26:59I believe that, but I would not shoot my parents now, no matter what.

27:04How now would you have resolved it?

27:08Now, what, almost seven years later,

27:11what do you think you should have done?

27:13I never told.

27:14I got Lyle into this.

27:15I went to him, and I said,

27:17Lyle, I can't live anymore with what's going on,

27:20and got him involved.

27:22He was a way to go.

27:23They had bought him a condominium.

27:24He was going to Princeton.

27:25He had all the money.

27:26So it's your fault for telling your brother?

27:28It's my fault.

27:29And I got him involved and said,

27:30I need your help.

27:31And five days later, my parents were dead.

27:33So it's your fault?

27:35That's completely my fault.

27:37He was suicidal at the time,

27:40and it was just a last thing to reach out.

27:44Obviously, who was he going to reach out to?

27:46And I decided to confront my father

27:51rather than just sort of not say anything

27:54and just have Eric and I leave,

27:55which, if I could go back, that's what I would do.

27:57I would just say, Eric's old enough now.

27:59He wants to leave.

28:00Have you forgiven yourself?

28:02I don't think it's possible.

28:05Lyle, are you at any kind of peace?

28:09More so than maybe Eric at this point.

28:15For some reason, well before the verdict,

28:17I was resigned to bad things.

28:20And I have, I think,

28:26found a place where I can look forward

28:30and try to have hope

28:34and share myself more with people.

28:36Hope of what?

28:38Hope of living a life that I can be more proud of.

28:41How in prison?

28:44You're confined, but there must be,

28:48even just in writing, people that need help.

28:51If you can help them

28:53and convince a single person

28:57that has been through our situation,

28:58that the last thing in the world they should do

29:01is act out violently,

29:04then you find meaning in your life.

29:06If you could say something

29:09to your mother and your father,

29:11I'm sure you have in your own minds,

29:14what would you say?

29:16I am so sorry.

29:20I forgive them completely

29:23for anything they have done to us.

29:26If I had one wish,

29:28it would be to be able to have

29:31one conversation with them

29:33and share my experiences with them.

29:43I hope someday that I can be with them

29:47and have some sort of conversation

29:49about what happened.

29:51One of the awful things is that I can't,

29:54we couldn't communicate that weekend,

29:56and I still, I can't.

29:58And just that I love them

30:04and that I believe,

30:09despite everything that happened,

30:11that they really loved us

30:13and that things just went awry.

30:18Our interview is over.

30:20Deputies now arrive to take Eric and Lyle Menendez

30:22back to the cell blocks.

30:24They were handcuffed and chained

30:26for the long walk back.

30:27Their legs had been shackled

30:29throughout the interview.

30:30This had been one of their infrequent opportunities

30:33to see one another in jail.

30:35The guards would now take each of them

30:37to their separate cells

30:38and to the certainty

30:40of the rest of their lives in prison.

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