Unlocker Room: Silvano Ramaccioni
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00:00There were some videos that showed Marco Fambastene in these games.
00:07And this tape was available to the observers, to the technicians.
00:13I told him, let's send the tape to Dr. Berlusconi right away,
00:18so that he can see it too.
00:21Also him.
00:28A new episode of Unlock a Room, Amici Rossoneri,
00:31today with a very special guest,
00:33because Silvano Ramaccioni has joined us.
00:35Good morning.
00:36Good morning to all of you.
00:38Thank you for inviting me.
00:40And thank you for accepting,
00:42because Silvano Ramaccioni will tell a lot of stories, Rossoneri.
00:47It's the story of Milan, gentlemen.
00:49Good morning to all.
00:50It's the story of Milan,
00:51because you've been in Milan for more than 30 years,
00:5332 years, if I'm not mistaken.
00:55Yes, I'd say I'm less effective,
00:59because I'd say I'm 27 years old in full time.
01:04And then all the rest was a part-time job
01:08that bothered me, I liked it,
01:11because even if I didn't go to Milan anymore,
01:16even if I didn't go to the club,
01:18every Sunday when there was an internal match,
01:20I was in San Siro.
01:22My passion since I was a kid
01:24was to watch the games on the pitch,
01:28and in fact I could count on my fingers
01:31the few games in Milan that I saw from the stands.
01:35This morning he arrived and they welcomed him,
01:38Baresi and Massaro, as it is right,
01:40as an idol.
01:42But no, not an idol,
01:44let's not exaggerate.
01:45I think I was lucky enough
01:49to arrive in Milan
01:53when Milan was practically
01:57living its golden age.
02:01The presence of our president,
02:03Dr. Silvio Berlusconi,
02:06Adriano Galliani, a great manager.
02:10We didn't say it, for those who don't know,
02:12the young people don't know,
02:13first he was a sports director,
02:14then a team manager,
02:15on the bench a team manager,
02:16a role that Berlusconi invented,
02:17and I'm wrong.
02:18Yes, I was a sports director
02:21since 1982,
02:23and the president at the time
02:25was Dr. Giussi Farina.
02:28Then since 1986,
02:30always a sports director,
02:32with Braida next to him,
02:34also a sports director,
02:36then Dr. Berlusconi
02:38asked me
02:40to be his team manager.
02:46Team manager in a different way
02:49from what I am today,
02:52because my experience
02:55coming from years of football,
02:58living as a sports director,
03:01always with a constant presence
03:03next to the team,
03:05the players, the coaches,
03:07they were more than ever
03:09a trident between what was
03:11Milanello,
03:12detached from the headquarters,
03:14and the club.
03:16How was born at that time
03:18the need or the will
03:20to have a figure like the team manager?
03:22Who was he and why?
03:24I would say the precise reason
03:27was a request from Dr. Silvio Berlusconi.
03:30We already heard about this role.
03:34In some clubs,
03:36this role grew,
03:38I repeat,
03:40because there was
03:42an important logistics organization
03:45that could be done
03:47with the coach,
03:49the players,
03:51and the club.
03:53In my specific case,
03:55it was a different thing.
03:57Not being there,
03:59the training ground
04:01was practically
04:03in the city,
04:05as is usual
04:07in many clubs,
04:09and therefore also
04:11with a constant presence
04:13of the most important managers.
04:15My presence,
04:17from the first day of retirement
04:19until the last day of work
04:21of the team,
04:23served as a trident
04:25between the club
04:27and the working group,
04:29formed by the coaches
04:31and the players.
04:33How did you get in touch with Giussi Farina?
04:35Do you remember in 1982
04:37when he came to communicate with you?
04:39I had already met
04:41Dr. Farina
04:43in the previous years.
04:45Just think
04:47that from Dr. Farina
04:49to Perugia I brought
04:51Paolo Rossi,
04:53winning the competition
04:55of all the great teams,
04:57of AC Milan, of Juventus.
04:59From Vicenza
05:01we managed to bring
05:03Paolo Rossi to Perugia.
05:05How did you convince him?
05:07How did we convince Farina?
05:09Farina had a great sense
05:11of ownership,
05:13especially
05:15even if he was leaving
05:17Vicenza.
05:19The ownership of Paolo Rossi
05:21for him was a treasure.
05:23Having found
05:25a club in Perugia
05:27that was happy
05:29to take the player
05:31as a loan
05:33and not to buy him,
05:35for Farina,
05:37who was so attached
05:39to his property,
05:41it was an advantage.
05:43The whole world
05:45of football was
05:47amazed.
05:49I remember that one of your colleagues
05:51Morace wrote
05:53that it was the blow of the century
05:55because taking
05:57the ball to the post
05:59and supplying to all the great
06:01clubs, bringing from
06:03Vicenza to Perugia a player
06:05like Paolo Rossi was a miracle.
06:07But once the player
06:09could say no
06:11or if Perugia wanted Paolo Rossi,
06:13Paolo Rossi had to go to Perugia?
06:15No, he could already say no.
06:17Law 91
06:19was already
06:21in force
06:23and therefore
06:25I send you the news
06:27to Canicatì,
06:29where the old directors
06:31worked with the young ones
06:33to scare them
06:35that if they didn't do well
06:37they would be in Canicatì.
06:39It was a lie,
06:41it didn't exist.
06:43The player has always been
06:45fundamental in the choice
06:47of the destination.
06:49To conclude,
06:51you have the record
06:53among many,
06:558 Champions League finals
06:57in Panchina, but 2 seasons
06:59and the only one in the world
07:01in Italy.
07:03Once I spoke
07:05with a Real Madrid manager
07:07and he was shocked.
07:09It's difficult to count
07:11how many Champions League cups
07:13have already won,
07:1512 or 13, I don't know.
07:17He told me
07:19that with my back
07:21I was sitting
07:23in 8 Champions League finals
07:25and no one
07:27in the world
07:29managed to do
07:31what I did.
07:33Another record,
07:35a bit unlucky,
07:372 seasons without ever losing,
07:39one with Perugia,
07:41without winning the Milan Scudetto
07:43and one with Milan Di Capello.
07:45He won the league in Milan
07:47with Nils Lidholm
07:49and maybe he is the
07:51deserved star
07:53that won the poor Nils
07:55with Milan.
07:57With Milan,
07:59I think, 58 games
08:01without defeats.
08:03They are the flowers
08:05of my activity
08:07as a sporting director.
08:09I would like to close
08:11the parenthesis of pre-Milan life.
08:13Is it true that you
08:15were one of the first
08:17sporting secretaries of the time?
08:19When I started
08:21in my country,
08:23the definition
08:25of sporting director
08:27didn't exist.
08:29I was lucky
08:31to meet, when I was
08:33a youngster, Italo Allodi.
08:35Italo Allodi
08:37was a friend
08:39of Città di Castello.
08:41During the war,
08:43he was a partisan in Cremona.
08:45In Cremona,
08:47there were many partisans
08:49of Città di Castello.
08:51Italo Allodi
08:53had spent that period
08:55at the end of the war
08:57in Cremona.
08:59Therefore, every time
09:01I was a representative
09:03of a small society
09:05like Città di Castello,
09:07I came to Milan
09:09and I was a guest
09:11of Italo Allodi.
09:13I often
09:15met him.
09:17This presence was
09:19like a spark,
09:21like a desire
09:23to do this activity.
09:25This spark
09:27became a reality.
09:29Do you remember
09:31when Berlusconi
09:33bought Milan?
09:35Were you involved
09:37when Farina...
09:39No, I wasn't involved
09:41in any negotiations.
09:43Many people,
09:45with Dr. Farina,
09:47who proposed,
09:49extended
09:51the contract.
09:53I don't give the names
09:55of those who extended the contract.
09:57Since my contract
09:59was in Spadenza,
10:01I refused
10:03to extend the contract
10:05and to introduce myself
10:07to Dr. Berlusconi
10:09saying,
10:11I am a manager of Milan
10:13and I have the contract
10:15that will expire in two or three years.
10:17When I met Dr. Berlusconi,
10:19I said, I did until yesterday
10:21the manager of Milan,
10:23I am without contract
10:25and if you want, I am available
10:27because it was too convenient.
10:29I will tell you more,
10:31all those who had
10:33the idea to extend the contract
10:35didn't stay in Milan.
10:37But you
10:39intimidated the players
10:41because you were an important figure.
10:43My appearance
10:45has always been
10:47a bit of a buffoon,
10:49but I would say a beneficial buffoon.
10:51The players
10:53immediately understood what it was.
10:55In a life
10:57spent
10:59between dressing rooms
11:01and matches,
11:03I don't know if in my life
11:05I will have affixed one or two fines
11:07for rather serious
11:09shortcomings to some players,
11:11otherwise it was not
11:13my limit.
11:15I was available
11:17mainly
11:19to those young people
11:21who played less,
11:23who needed more
11:25the assistance of a manager
11:27to be able to live.
11:29I always remember
11:31for example Edgar Davies,
11:33a great player
11:35who came
11:37from
11:39Amsterdam,
11:41from Ajax to Milan.
11:43The life of Milanello
11:45seemed to him
11:47the life of a barracks
11:49and he couldn't settle in.
11:51Juventus
11:53was able,
11:55when they took him from us,
11:57to create around him
11:59a different environment
12:01because Edgar Davies,
12:03who was a great player,
12:05couldn't digest
12:07the life of Milanello
12:09who instead for many players
12:11and I myself
12:13defined him as ideal
12:15to be able to be a football player.
12:17You are a bit
12:19what Milan is today,
12:21the Milan style that still exists
12:23and is recognized in the world
12:25many thanks to you
12:27and your teachings
12:29to all the players
12:31who came from time to time.
12:33I thank you,
12:35I am very grateful for this.
12:37I think that
12:39in every club
12:41it is necessary
12:43that there is someone
12:45who gives the idea
12:47of the right behaviours,
12:49of the way of doing things
12:51to the players.
12:53I remember you,
12:55I worked for another club,
12:57Serie A,
12:59and you were in the tunnel
13:01the great players of Milan
13:03there were Robinho,
13:05Ibra,
13:07they entered the pitch
13:09to warm up
13:11and I remember you
13:13being careful
13:15how they came out
13:17with the right pants,
13:19the right shirt,
13:21it is an image
13:23and therefore I would say
13:25that a footballer
13:27has it well in his head
13:29that being a show environment
13:31the image is an important thing
13:33and that it is also
13:35useful for the society.
13:37How was the life of Milanello?
13:39You gave the example of Davids
13:41and an ideal life in your opinion.
13:43There were some episodes,
13:45sometimes we took
13:47from the very young
13:49from the semi-professionalism.
13:51Some of these
13:53when they were in Milanello
13:55and practically
13:57after having done
13:59the semi-professionals
14:01in Serie C
14:03or in the fourth series
14:05they saw that their location
14:07could be that of the spring
14:09they tended to be
14:11transferred because
14:13living also
14:15in those times
14:17and also the spring
14:19in Milanello
14:21in a form of
14:23collegial retreat
14:25many footballers
14:27who had already
14:29separated from being
14:31starting players
14:33did not like it.
14:35What were the three
14:37fundamental rules of Milanello?
14:39I don't know the punctuality
14:41or some rites that were there.
14:43The punctuality
14:45of the opponents
14:47the respect of the referees
14:49the respect of the leaders
14:51fundamental things
14:53things that in my opinion
14:55were natural
14:57there was nothing
14:59that was being invented
15:01they were all natural things
15:03that maybe
15:05the more time passed
15:07the more difficult it was
15:09to create them.
15:11But you also participated
15:13for the new Milan players
15:15do you remember any
15:17Van Basten
15:19Gullit
15:21any particular deal?
15:23Of course
15:25I remember that
15:27for Marco Van Basten
15:29we had
15:31some tapes
15:33since Ajax
15:35the year before
15:37had won the UEFA Cup
15:39and there were videos
15:41showing Marco Van Basten
15:43in these games
15:45and this tape
15:47was available
15:49to the technical observers
15:51and I said
15:53let's send the tape
15:55to Dr. Berlusconi
15:57so that he can see it
15:59and there were also
16:01some reports
16:03from our observers
16:05such as the poor
16:07Francesco Zagatti
16:09who followed
16:11the player in Holland
16:13I also remember that
16:15during Christmas
16:17at the Sport Palace
16:19which was in front of
16:21San Siro
16:23when the snow
16:25broke the roof
16:2710 or 15 days before
16:29there was
16:31a football tournament
16:33and in this tournament
16:35Marco Van Basten was present
16:37with Ajax
16:39who were playing
16:41and also the reports
16:43that Fabio Capello
16:45had made on Marco Van Basten
16:47all important things
16:49and I would say
16:51that under this species
16:53the presence of Adriano Galliani
16:55every year was
16:57fundamental
17:01with the help
17:03of Dr. Berlusconi
17:05who encouraged him
17:07and provided the materials
17:09for the purchase campaign
17:11especially in the first years
17:13it was made
17:15in the Milanello table
17:17but with months
17:19of advantage
17:21over the season
17:23Who participated in this table?
17:25In this round table
17:27there was certainly Dr. Berlusconi
17:29Adriano Galliani, Braida
17:31me and that's it
17:33Dr. Berlusconi
17:35was made to bring
17:37from the secretary
17:39of Milanello
17:41special sheets
17:43that he adopted
17:45they were like
17:47white sheets with lines
17:49that I can say
17:51the paper that is adopted
17:53for the letters
17:55at the level of
17:57high school
17:59they were blocks
18:01with pens
18:03and at the end of the table
18:05while the players
18:07had already risen
18:09the waiters did not enter
18:11and on that table
18:13was drawn
18:15what could be
18:17the organic
18:19maybe we were only
18:21in January or February
18:23there was organic for the following year
18:25these were the first years
18:27Did Berlusconi decide
18:29or if you did not agree
18:31Berlusconi said
18:33Berlusconi
18:35decided if
18:37it was
18:39practically
18:41if he had seen
18:43if he had touched by hand
18:45cassettes and relations
18:47he trusted you
18:49various technicians
18:51And what happened when you showed him
18:53as he said before
18:55Van Basten's cassette
18:57he got excited
18:59he got excited
19:01even
19:03I remember
19:05there was a colleague
19:07Claudio Nassi
19:09who worked at that time
19:11with Fiorentina
19:13which was
19:15one of the companies
19:17that was following
19:19Van Basten
19:21it was easy
19:23with the help
19:25of Cronenberg
19:27Apollonius
19:29who was a consultant
19:31of Van Basten
19:33overcome the obstacles of Fiorentina
19:35and bring Van Basten
19:37to Milan
19:39But instead someone who blew you
19:41there is a great name
19:43on which you were almost arrived
19:45and on the contrary they stole you
19:47Unfortunately
19:49Dr. Berlusconi and Galliani
19:51had decided
19:53to take Vialli
19:55it was an operation
19:57almost done
19:59if not
20:01I don't know if his old
20:03directors of Cremonese
20:05or even
20:07the directors of Sampdoria
20:09did it in a way
20:11they were so good
20:13poor Luca Vialli
20:15died in Milan
20:17I have a curiosity
20:19try to track
20:21how was a negotiation
20:23so you sit at the table
20:25you identify a lack
20:27in the role of director
20:29you identify the player
20:31then how did it start?
20:33the negotiation
20:35not the negotiation
20:37the idea was
20:39the study of the organic
20:41and if in the organic
20:43at that point we had to
20:45reinforce
20:47the attack
20:49or the defense
20:51the names came out
20:53probable
20:55defenders, midfielders
20:57attackers
20:59was present
21:01I don't know if I forgot to say
21:03even the coach
21:05at that table
21:07that was made
21:09practically
21:11the idea was born
21:13to do
21:15with these months of advantage
21:17the team
21:19but then once the player was selected
21:21the team was called
21:23the belonging team
21:25what was the first step?
21:27yes, the negotiation
21:29at that time
21:31the prosecutors did not exist
21:33it was a negotiation
21:35between the two companies
21:37then the advent of the prosecutors
21:39made many rules jump
21:41and in time
21:43and in ways of approach
21:45it could be
21:47the request of a manager
21:49to a prosecutor
21:51or even the proposal
21:53of a prosecutor
21:55to the company
21:57the evolution
21:59from this point of view
22:01I think that even today
22:03it is not over yet
22:05the player came in front of the managers
22:07and then it was the player himself
22:09who contracted his salary?
22:11surely yes
22:13was there someone who said
22:15Dr. Berlusconi, give me a little more
22:17surely
22:19do you remember someone?
22:21they never negotiated
22:23in the end it could be a case
22:25otherwise
22:27the economic
22:29negotiation of the player
22:31was certainly in the hands
22:33of Adriano Gagliani
22:35they told us that
22:37every coach had his skirmishes
22:39like you had many
22:41but let's start with Lidlm
22:43because Lidlm was also
22:45a very nice person
22:47Lidlm was
22:49practically with pockets
22:51that could contain
22:53a leg of hare
22:55a leg of rabbit
22:57or some particular
22:59amulet
23:01and practically
23:03he had
23:05those that were
23:07his convictions
23:09his look
23:11from the bench
23:13towards the team
23:15according to him
23:17should not be influenced
23:19by the people in front of him
23:21because they interrupted
23:23the magical flow
23:25that poor Nils had
23:27it would be a disaster
23:29if when we went down
23:31in a hotel
23:33the room he was waiting for
23:35did not have
23:375
23:39the room 32
23:41very good
23:433 and 2 makes 5
23:45the room 14
23:47very good
23:491 and 4 makes 5
23:51all small things
23:53But you also read that Berlusconi
23:55one year, I do not remember if more years
23:57took a witch
23:59is it true?
24:01Berlusconi
24:03practically
24:05had a way of knowing
24:07this
24:09was called the telepath
24:11practically
24:13was a
24:15Spanish
24:17who said
24:19I have never verified
24:21that he had worked
24:23for Real Madrid
24:25for other teams
24:27but this
24:29is a topic to deal with
24:31with a lot of inventory benefit
24:33because they are more stories
24:35than truth
24:37From Lidl to Sacchi
24:39and on Sacchi
24:41the fans of Milan are curious to know
24:43because he too
24:45walked around the hotel
24:47he told us Tassotti, he told us Galli
24:49is there more?
24:51Well in Rigo
24:53I would say that
24:57on Milanello
24:59for him it was
25:01something that if it had not been
25:03he would have invented
25:05I still feel
25:07his shoes
25:09that stretch
25:11in the corridors
25:13especially
25:15at the close watch of the games
25:17of the great commitments
25:19in the corridor
25:21and he stops in front
25:23to some rooms
25:25because he certainly had
25:27the idea of ​​entering
25:29the room
25:31and talk with a player
25:33and then with another
25:35of what was already
25:37the program
25:39that would have taken place
25:41on Sunday
25:43in Rigo
25:45to have available
25:47a house like Milanello
25:49that practically
25:51at the close watch
25:53of every game
25:55was closed to everyone
25:57the thing that
25:59would have
26:01maximum of what
26:03he could expect
26:05But you were lucky
26:07because all the people who have told us
26:09this anecdote of the shoes
26:11they were a little afraid
26:13because they were former players
26:15who had to go to bed
26:17you as a manager
26:19could stay awake a few more minutes
26:21especially for those
26:23who knew me well
26:25another boy who came from Spain
26:27Cosemari
26:29he was a little afraid
26:31of my way of doing
26:33of my attitude
26:35but it was more
26:37an aesthetic fact
26:39a visual fact
26:41because who knew me
26:43knew that
26:45I could have the face
26:47of Borubero
26:49but I have never been
26:51with anyone
26:53Your motivational speeches
26:55did they happen the day before
26:57or just before the game?
26:59What did the team say?
27:01We know a little bit
27:03He was able in an exceptional way
27:05to give the charge
27:07he also chose
27:09the players
27:11who had
27:13according to someone who suggested it
27:15more need
27:17of the president's word
27:19and therefore
27:21every time
27:23the helicopter arrived
27:25I remember that I was there ready to take it
27:27on that path that we did
27:29on foot from the helicopter
27:31to Milanello
27:33I could give him some ideas
27:35if Evani maybe needs
27:37some of his words
27:39and Dr. Berlusconi
27:41was
27:43something phenomenal
27:45in dealing
27:47with the individual people
27:49since he arrived
27:51making the conventions
27:53as he called them
27:55both in Macerio
27:57and in other places
27:59he was able
28:01gathering practically
28:03all of us
28:05all that was the technical
28:07sports apparatus
28:09with the players, the technicians
28:11making everyone speak
28:13making them write
28:15making them feel
28:17it was the system
28:19that everyone
28:21was brought to grow
28:23who didn't have the ability
28:25to speak
28:27in front of the people
28:29with Dr. Berlusconi
28:31surely he became able
28:33to speak in front of the people
28:35Do you remember a particular speech
28:37once you came to the retreat
28:39in the dressing room?
28:43Every time I came
28:45to the retreat
28:47in the dressing room
28:49there was something special
28:51he never lost a minute
28:53of his precious time
28:55for something that was not important
28:57even when
28:59we were
29:01in front of the first
29:03great commitment
29:05the match at Camp Nou
29:07with the Bucharest team
29:09in the bus that went
29:11from the hotel to the stadium
29:13he was in front
29:15practically
29:17of the first seats of the bus
29:19with the microphone
29:21and he spoke with the players
29:23Instead
29:25the trips
29:27at the time it was difficult
29:29to make a trip
29:31I imagine going to Finland
29:33going over the Berlin Wall
29:35how did you live those trips?
29:37Well
29:39they were not
29:41simple trips
29:43I remember
29:45in Germany
29:47in East Germany
29:49we played
29:51I think in Leipzig
29:53and many fans
29:55were arrested
29:57because they took pictures
29:59and it was forbidden
30:01to take pictures
30:03and you had to
30:05be careful
30:07You mentioned
30:09the trips
30:11what is the most incredible
30:13or crazy or adventurous trip you remember?
30:15Well
30:17the trip
30:19to Belgrade
30:23with the match
30:25suspended by the fog
30:27or even
30:29with the debut
30:31in the first team
30:33it seems to me
30:35with Gullit
30:37who forced the recovery
30:39teams
30:43That night
30:45there was a nice anecdote
30:47because the match
30:49was suspended
30:51and you played the next day
30:53so even logistically
30:55you had to stop
30:57Yes, it was a stressful
30:59and difficult thing
31:01this match in Belgrade
31:03We had Dejan Savice
31:05our opponent
31:07in this match
31:09and well
31:11anyway
31:13it was one of the fundamental stages
31:15And then the other match
31:17always in Coppa
31:19that left
31:21a memory
31:23is the one in Marsiglia
31:25Well
31:27How did it go?
31:29I don't know what happened
31:31after the goal in Marsiglia
31:33and this
31:35electric blackout
31:37but it was certain
31:39that they were
31:41threatening us
31:43that they had done it on purpose
31:45the only thing
31:47that even that time
31:49he didn't understand
31:51that there was something
31:53that didn't work
31:55was the referee
31:57but the referees
31:59it was the whistle
32:01even when
32:03in that match
32:05years later
32:07they came out
32:09that they were drugged
32:11that there was something
32:13that didn't work
32:15surely we were wrong
32:17I was one of those
32:19who made more mistakes
32:21because withdrawing
32:23from a competition
32:25is never logical
32:27Among other things
32:29you were
32:31maybe
32:33totally aware
32:35of what could have happened
32:37knowing the rules
32:39knowing the procedures
32:41always interfacing with UEFA
32:43with the referees
32:45Unfortunately
32:47yes
32:49it was
32:51the end of this defeat
32:53we thought a lot
32:55but that there was something
32:57that had interfered
32:59was certain
33:01for what
33:03we breathed in that match
33:05and unfortunately
33:07sometimes
33:09you make mistakes
33:11that match
33:13for me is part of
33:15a wrong evening
33:17but one in 27 years
33:19is human
33:21but there is a champion
33:23that has a heart
33:25maybe a strange one
33:27I remember Gullit
33:29that was the most eclectic
33:31or another
33:33not Shevchenko
33:35because he seemed very precise
33:37is there a great champion
33:39you are linked to?
33:41Gullit
33:43practically
33:47in my opinion
33:49at Milan
33:51he improved year after year
33:53until
33:55maybe we were wrong
33:57when he left
33:59he could still be useful
34:01to us when he went to Genoa
34:03but
34:05he was already a great player
34:07when he came
34:09from Ajax
34:11and then here he
34:13refined
34:15with the luck of having
34:17both Rijkaard
34:19Van Basten
34:21the Dutch trio
34:23maybe
34:25it becomes something
34:27unforgettable
34:29and Gullit
34:31was a footballer
34:33fundamental
34:35but what was about the Dutch
34:37maybe Gullit that you saw
34:39he played in defense
34:41yes, even
34:43I was not with Dr. Berlusconi
34:45in that expedition
34:47when they went to see Gullit
34:49he even did the free kick
34:51in the evening
34:53but he was so eclectic
34:55so exuberant
34:57at the level of athletic strength
34:59and power
35:01that he could do everything
35:03even the goalkeeper
35:05I would like to close the chapter
35:07coach that Franco Narrigo Sacchi introduced
35:09then maybe we go to the players
35:11Sacchi told us
35:13about Capello
35:15one of the fundamental characteristics
35:17of Capello
35:19was
35:21practically
35:23it was a choice
35:25of Dr. Berlusconi
35:27when Sacchi left
35:29that no one thought
35:31after Fabio
35:33had been for years
35:35even manager
35:37and of the
35:39section
35:41ball flight
35:43and of the section
35:45of all
35:47that was
35:49the polisportiva
35:51and instead
35:53it was a move
35:55that
35:57even culminated
35:59if I'm not mistaken
36:01with the victory of
36:03four consecutive Scudetti
36:05and then
36:07the Champions Cup
36:09the Champions Cup
36:11with Barcelona
36:13becomes in Athens
36:15a historical thing
36:17another characteristic
36:19exceptional
36:21of Fabio was that
36:23there was no end to the season
36:25that we did not organize with him
36:29some exceptional friendships
36:31we were practically
36:33all over the world
36:35in Brazil
36:39in China
36:41we played in all the stadiums
36:43that were possible
36:45from Hong Kong
36:47to Shenzhen
36:49to Beijing
36:51to Shenyang
36:53to Chengdu
36:55no company had made
36:57all the friendships
36:59that we made with Fabio
37:01in China
37:03in Australia
37:05we even played
37:07a historic match
37:09in Johannesburg
37:11for the will
37:13of Nelson Mandela
37:15I am proud
37:17to call Mandela
37:19the Milan's Gagliardetto
37:21that turning it had in front
37:23the Milan's logo
37:25and behind the tricolor
37:27practically I was the first
37:29Italian
37:31in the seat
37:33of Nelson Mandela
37:37the Milan's Gagliardetto
37:39with the Italian flag
37:41an exceptional memory
37:43because
37:45I remember that
37:47to tour Johannesburg
37:49we had all the police escort
37:51around
37:53because it was not yet
37:55a moment so
37:57beautiful to live
37:59I continue
38:01Zaccheroni?
38:03Zaccheroni
38:05is a myth
38:07because practically
38:09to arrive in Milan
38:11after the other
38:13sacred mosques
38:15and to score
38:17the championship victory
38:19is an amazing thing
38:21he was very good
38:23even in this
38:25I think we lost
38:27to Parma
38:29but
38:33the ability
38:35and the will
38:37that Zaccheroni had
38:39in this
38:41his type of game
38:43that was surely
38:45related to Sacchi's game
38:47but with variations
38:49and this
38:51was a
38:53beautiful thing
38:55sometimes I feel
38:57with Zaccheroni
38:59that I became friends with him
39:01and instead of Ancelotti
39:03besides the victories
39:05what do you remember?
39:07Ancelotti
39:09is practically
39:11one of the untouchable
39:13and unnameable
39:15because he is so good
39:17Carlo
39:19I can only say
39:21that he made us play
39:23so well
39:25that
39:27it became a common place
39:29a nephew of mine
39:31that when
39:33we lost
39:35in Istanbul
39:37to Rigori
39:39the game we won 3-0
39:41at the end of the first half
39:43it was
39:45a lost game
39:47because of the envy of the gods
39:49at the end of the first half
39:51the envy of the gods
39:53that we lost the game
39:55but I sincerely have to tell you
39:57that even those who had
39:59less luck
40:01as Tabarez could be
40:03for me he is one of the
40:05best coaches that have been
40:07at Milan
40:09and then he also proved it in the continuation
40:11of his life
40:13to be good
40:15he left the place at Arrigo
40:17that came back
40:19it was practically the second time
40:21that Rigori came back
40:23because
40:25I don't know
40:27what didn't work
40:29in him, it was all perfect
40:31or even Fatih Terim
40:33when he left
40:35the bench
40:37to Dancellotti, great coaches
40:39both Tabarez and Fatih Terim
40:41but a man all of a piece
40:43like her, has he ever cried
40:45for Milan?
40:47yes
40:49a lot of times
40:51I cry
40:53one of the
40:55defeats
40:57with the 3-3
40:59made me suffer
41:01enormously
41:03in a hotel
41:05one of the most beautiful
41:07in the world
41:09as we were guests
41:11in Istanbul
41:13returning to the hotel
41:15this 3-3
41:17that became a defeat
41:19I remember
41:21spending all night
41:23not believing
41:25in what
41:27had happened
41:29and unfortunately
41:31only the envy of the gods
41:33could create that problem
41:35the most beautiful memory
41:37is a Champions League win
41:39the one in Athens
41:41against Barcelona
41:43particularly beautiful
41:45because the absence
41:47of Costa Curta, of Baresi
41:49the certainty
41:51of the poor
41:53Johan Cruyff
41:55to have won it before playing it
41:57made us
41:59come
42:01closer to this game
42:03with
42:05the certainty that Barcelona
42:07would have won
42:09and they themselves were certain to win
42:11instead, in football
42:13never
42:15sell the bear's skin
42:17before killing it
42:19how was the delegation
42:21formed at that time?
42:23who left?
42:27practically
42:29our
42:31team on the road
42:33was formed
42:35we let the coaches and players
42:37lose
42:39the problem was
42:41they could only play
42:432 or 3 foreigners
42:45and we had 4 or 5
42:47it was
42:49for the coach
42:51and also for us
42:53this choice
42:55during the call
42:57was always
42:59extremely
43:01to be taken
43:03it was always a choice
43:05week by week
43:07it was dangerous
43:09of all the people you met
43:11did you stay in touch
43:13with some of them?
43:15players, coaches?
43:17sincerely
43:19I would like
43:21one day
43:23to see them all together
43:25but
43:27today
43:29with your invitation
43:31it was beautiful
43:33I met Franco Baresi
43:35Massaro
43:37they celebrated me
43:39I celebrated them
43:41it was a beautiful moment