Nedjeljom u 2 - Mario Mihaljević
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00:00:00In another episode of Sunday at two, good day to you, dear viewers, our guest today is a composer,
00:00:24lyricist, songwriter, my colleague, Mario Mihajlović.
00:00:28Greetings.
00:00:29Good day and welcome.
00:00:31When I called you, you told me that you hope that this is not only because of Pink's arrival in Croatia
00:00:38and Željko Mitrović's entry on the Croatian market.
00:00:40So let's immediately, at the beginning, in some way, absorb...
00:00:43When it's a top topic now.
00:00:45Yes, it is, these days it is.
00:00:47Is Pink's television coming to the Croatian market?
00:00:51As far as I know, yes.
00:00:53So, my information is gathered in this way.
00:00:57How did it all come about?
00:00:59Namely, I was a guest in the jury at the Grand Festival in Belgrade.
00:01:06And after that festival, we sat down for a while and Saša Popović,
00:01:11whom I still know from those days, Brenin, until he played in Sweet Sin,
00:01:16and Saša said, listen, we are going to the Croatian market,
00:01:22we are talking about the Grand Discographic House,
00:01:28well, you could be the director, right?
00:01:31Well, I would say so.
00:01:33So that was all.
00:01:35Okay, the director and so on.
00:01:37In further conversations, how are directors and so on,
00:01:40were there any interests there?
00:01:42But the Grand production would come to the market,
00:01:46in any case, only under the assumption that it has a TV show.
00:01:51There were made contacts with some TV houses,
00:01:55not with our house, but with some TV houses,
00:01:59so that at some point it would be canceled,
00:02:03and so that Saša Popović would call me and say,
00:02:06I will not come to that meeting.
00:02:09These are new talents, Grand stars, let's say,
00:02:13the format they have in Belgrade on Pink.
00:02:17Because Mr. Mitrovic, whom I do not know,
00:02:21decided to enter the Croatian market with Pink,
00:02:27as it is written in the newspapers,
00:02:30by connecting local television.
00:02:34That's all I know.
00:02:37These contacts you mentioned,
00:02:39were they with some of the other two national TV houses,
00:02:43with Novo and RTL?
00:02:45Yes, one of them.
00:02:47You can not say which one?
00:02:49Well, I would not.
00:02:51I mean, these are contacts that I know.
00:02:54Maybe there are other contacts.
00:02:56I did not talk to Mr. Mitrovic,
00:02:58but then it appeared in the national,
00:03:00it was wrongly written,
00:03:02then that storm was made,
00:03:04I will be the director of a production about Pink,
00:03:07we did not talk about it at all,
00:03:09and all this information came from Belgrade.
00:03:12Saša Popović said it all,
00:03:14and no one wrote it wrongly in the national.
00:03:17Was it, hypothetically,
00:03:19that the Serbian capital entered Croatia in that way?
00:03:22I do not see anything wrong with that.
00:03:27Is it dangerous for the national identity of Croatia,
00:03:32which is so relatively questionable,
00:03:34it is difficult to define what is our national identity?
00:03:37If I can pay gasoline to Hungary,
00:03:39if I can pay a phone to Germany,
00:03:41if I can pay interest to Italy or Austria,
00:03:44I do not see a reason for the Serbian capital not to come,
00:03:48if it is healthy money.
00:03:50Moreover, Pink is, at this moment,
00:03:53from all local televisions,
00:03:55excluding these four national,
00:03:57right, four?
00:03:59Yes.
00:04:01Three televisions, four programs.
00:04:03That's right, three televisions, four programs.
00:04:06So, from all these others,
00:04:08Pink is the second most watched in Croatia.
00:04:11You can watch it only on satellite,
00:04:13or those who catch it in Bosnia,
00:04:15or those who catch it in Serbia.
00:04:17I am interested in that.
00:04:19I watched a little of their program,
00:04:21their program has a lot of music,
00:04:23has a lot of excellent quizzes,
00:04:25I do not know how it will go,
00:04:27if there will be those quizzes,
00:04:29if I do not know the question,
00:04:31then it will fall down, and so on.
00:04:33It is an interesting program,
00:04:35I watch it all the time.
00:04:37How correct is it from your side,
00:04:39that you announce your possible engagement
00:04:41in Brenin production,
00:04:43do you still work there?
00:04:45No, no, no.
00:04:47I am very consistent in these things.
00:04:49Before, thinking,
00:04:51the whole conversation was like this,
00:04:53with Sašo Popović, as I said,
00:04:55when I returned to Zagreb,
00:04:57the first thing I did,
00:04:59I went to my director,
00:05:01Mr. Duško Radić, and said,
00:05:03Duško, there is a possibility,
00:05:05that I take over,
00:05:07because it is related to being on some TV,
00:05:09because I would be in that jury,
00:05:11who would choose those new stars,
00:05:13and so on.
00:05:15I know that I can not appear on such a TV,
00:05:17and still work in this house.
00:05:19So, I said,
00:05:21if I leave Sradja,
00:05:23and if I get a job somewhere else,
00:05:25and I told him where,
00:05:27that it would be a grand production from Belgrade,
00:05:29could I do it here?
00:05:31He said yes.
00:05:33So, the moment it appeared in the papers,
00:05:35they asked Duško, I see Marijot is leaving,
00:05:37and he said, he told me that first.
00:05:39So, you give up, and then...
00:05:41Yes, in that case, yes.
00:05:43But look,
00:05:45Aco, I have not yet signed
00:05:47any kind of contract,
00:05:49we did not agree on some payments,
00:05:51and I would not play at this moment.
00:05:53Is that program we are talking about,
00:05:55is it Shund?
00:05:57What is Shund?
00:05:59The definition of Shund is
00:06:01that it is about tastes.
00:06:03I am very liberal
00:06:05when it comes to that.
00:06:09Namely,
00:06:11as you said...
00:06:13Is it good or bad music?
00:06:15First of all, their informative program
00:06:17is relatively...
00:06:19There is no music that everyone likes to listen to.
00:06:21Everyone.
00:06:23So, it is like you have cherries,
00:06:25and you will not buy this one, but this one.
00:06:27I do not like cherries, I like cherries, for example.
00:06:29So, I do not like cherries at all.
00:06:31Some have sour cherries,
00:06:33but that is my taste.
00:06:35And no one has the right to interfere with it.
00:06:37I am not for someone
00:06:39to mistreat someone.
00:06:41That is why there are radio stations
00:06:43that have profiled themselves,
00:06:45and play this kind of music,
00:06:47and so on.
00:06:49Each station has its own profile.
00:06:51Our second program has its own profile.
00:06:53The first program has its own profile.
00:06:55The National Radio has its own profile.
00:06:57Was the profile of such a program,
00:06:59at least in the production you are talking about,
00:07:01to force singers from Serbia?
00:07:03No.
00:07:05As far as I know, no.
00:07:07First of all,
00:07:09we would already be looking for new stars
00:07:11with this show,
00:07:13but those stars,
00:07:15those newly-created stars,
00:07:17would have a support.
00:07:19A support of a record label
00:07:21that would stand behind them.
00:07:23For example, one Rafa,
00:07:25who is a very nice man,
00:07:27and a great singer,
00:07:29and he deservedly won
00:07:31in one of those shows,
00:07:33but that Rafa did not have anything
00:07:35behind him.
00:07:37People get lost.
00:07:39Grant would try not to get lost,
00:07:41and to have the best authors,
00:07:43to have a chance.
00:07:45Was the entry of this production
00:07:47on the Croatian market
00:07:49a reduction of the price of CD's?
00:07:51I can say that my opinion,
00:07:53as an author,
00:07:55I think that CD's are too expensive.
00:07:57That is my opinion.
00:07:59But that does not mean
00:08:01that there would be a panic,
00:08:03that they would be sold at a cheap price.
00:08:05You have to look at the market,
00:08:07what is happening.
00:08:09Although I smoke cigarettes,
00:08:11I can say...
00:08:13You don't have to.
00:08:15But they are Croatian cigarettes.
00:08:17There is only one factory.
00:08:19Those cigarettes that I smoke
00:08:21cost 15 Kuna in Croatia.
00:08:23In Serbia, I buy them for 6 Kuna.
00:08:25The same cigarette.
00:08:27The same one,
00:08:29produced in Croatia.
00:08:31You think that the law and the market
00:08:33should regulate it?
00:08:35The law and the market,
00:08:37and in a better situation,
00:08:39their CD's are printed there.
00:08:43I can tell you their prices.
00:08:45Their prices are
00:08:47between 30 and 40 Kuna.
00:08:49That is why the copies are huge.
00:08:53Do you think that this would
00:08:55bring a reduction of the price of CD's in Croatia?
00:08:57I hope so.
00:08:59That is good for the people.
00:09:01Pirates are profiting now.
00:09:05When we talk about the influence
00:09:07of music,
00:09:09cultural life,
00:09:11in Croatia,
00:09:13I watched one show
00:09:15in Kazalište.
00:09:17One of the actors
00:09:19said that
00:09:21Croats and Serbs are phenomenal.
00:09:23Croats bombed Serbs,
00:09:25so they listen to Caika.
00:09:27Serbs were bombed by NATO,
00:09:29so they listen to Stones.
00:09:31Anyway,
00:09:33it is good that
00:09:35we were not bombed by Austrians.
00:09:37I have to say one more thing.
00:09:39I was in Vukovar,
00:09:41which was surrounded.
00:09:43It was in the 7th month.
00:09:45We were surrounded,
00:09:47snipers were shooting.
00:09:49My colleague Marina
00:09:51and I,
00:09:53Mr. Kopač was there
00:09:55as a field cameraman.
00:09:57We had a show from Vukovar.
00:09:59In the evening,
00:10:01snipers were shooting.
00:10:03There were about 2,000 grenades.
00:10:05You could barely live.
00:10:07We were in Vukovar for an hour.
00:10:092,000 grenades per day.
00:10:11We entered
00:10:13one
00:10:15house.
00:10:17It was called
00:10:19Škaro or Škoro.
00:10:21It was called like that
00:10:23in the middle of the war.
00:10:25We entered, but on one side
00:10:27there was no wall.
00:10:29The housekeeper said
00:10:31when you hear gunshots,
00:10:33go there.
00:10:37Inside,
00:10:39as you say,
00:10:41snipers, but
00:10:43Udri.
00:10:45In the dark,
00:10:47we came to the house.
00:10:49I was listening
00:10:51to the music.
00:10:53I asked the guys
00:10:55who were there,
00:10:57where are you from?
00:10:59Most of them died.
00:11:01They came from
00:11:03Gline.
00:11:05They went to Vukovar to help.
00:11:07I said, what are you listening to?
00:11:09He said, we were listening
00:11:11before the war, now we are listening
00:11:13during the war.
00:11:15In the middle of the war,
00:11:17we were listening.
00:11:19What did you do before the war,
00:11:21during the war, after the war?
00:11:23Maja Kubik,
00:11:25our journalist,
00:11:27had a nice conversation
00:11:29that lasted 5 minutes and 30 seconds.
00:11:31After that, we went back to the studio.
00:11:37Good morning,
00:11:39or good afternoon.
00:11:41For those who woke up
00:11:43a little earlier,
00:11:45you are listening to the second program
00:11:47of the Croatian Radio.
00:11:49Mario Mihaljevic no longer remembers
00:11:51how many times he wished
00:11:53good morning or afternoon to the listeners.
00:11:55He has been a part of the radio program
00:11:57for almost 40 years.
00:11:59The biography of this,
00:12:01as we know, unpredictable
00:12:03and a little stubborn person
00:12:05begins in his native Osijek,
00:12:07where social clubs made him
00:12:09a well-known person.
00:12:11Mario and I went to high school
00:12:13and we came to the studio together.
00:12:15What kind of person was he?
00:12:17Extremely talented.
00:12:19He learned what he liked,
00:12:21what he didn't like.
00:12:23While other people were all for him,
00:12:25Mario was against it.
00:12:27He is one of those
00:12:29who always struggled.
00:12:31Mario didn't use the fact
00:12:33that his father is the most famous
00:12:35Slavic composer
00:12:37and he didn't get good grades
00:12:39based on that,
00:12:41but exclusively with his intelligence,
00:12:43not even with his great work.
00:12:45After arriving in Zagreb,
00:12:47Mihaljevic was enrolled in law school,
00:12:49but he soon replaced the books with a microphone.
00:12:53He also took up writing songs,
00:12:55among which the place of the absolute hit
00:12:57belongs to Julie.
00:12:59Radio does not replace.
00:13:01Older listeners still remember
00:13:03the mega popular radio show
00:13:05Zeleni megaherce today.
00:13:29Radio Belgrade.
00:13:33Radio Zagreb.
00:13:37The show
00:13:41Zeleni megaherce.
00:13:43Zeleni megaherce.
00:13:57And then comes the war.
00:13:59He joins the HDP,
00:14:01kills Croats and goes to the battlefield.
00:14:03In Croatia,
00:14:05the number of blood cells begins.
00:14:07For Mihaljevic,
00:14:09some Serbs become scoundrels,
00:14:11others become heroes.
00:14:13In our friendship today,
00:14:15although he wrote me
00:14:17the 91st song of Radegade,
00:14:19which I would never have written to him,
00:14:21because even then and today
00:14:23I would give him a liter of my blood.
00:14:25He was there
00:14:27because Croatia attacked.
00:14:31That Croatia attacked Serbia,
00:14:33I am 100% sure
00:14:35that Maro Mihaljevic
00:14:37left Croatia.
00:14:39Mihaljevic soon changes
00:14:41the membership statement of the HDP
00:14:43to that of the HSP.
00:14:45I think that his joining the HSP
00:14:47and the HOS organization
00:14:49was more of a parade
00:14:51and one-of-a-kind
00:14:53relaxation and recreation.
00:14:55After the war for Mihaljevic
00:14:57follows a period of moving
00:14:59from one radio station to another,
00:15:01coquettish with television broadcasting,
00:15:03expands the family,
00:15:05but still remains faithful to the songs.
00:15:07He is a journalist,
00:15:09he is more of a song.
00:15:11He is good at both.
00:15:13He is very good.
00:15:15He is quick, he thinks fast.
00:15:17Sometimes he goes to excess,
00:15:19sometimes to the extreme.
00:15:21Maro wrote a song
00:15:23when my son died.
00:15:25He was staying at that house.
00:15:31Because of that,
00:15:33their friendship has lasted
00:15:35for a very long time.
00:15:37He used to go to that house
00:15:39every night.
00:15:41He used to hate that house.
00:15:43I used to go to that house
00:15:45every night.
00:15:47These days, Mario Mihaljevic
00:15:49is in the spotlight
00:15:51because of the TV Pink's
00:15:53alleged visit to Croatia,
00:15:55where he is seen as the director
00:15:57of the grand show
00:15:59Lepe Brene.
00:16:01Opinions are divided.
00:16:03Why would Todorovic
00:16:05and all the Croatian
00:16:07multimillionaires
00:16:09come here
00:16:11to Serbia,
00:16:13come here to sell
00:16:15in Serbia,
00:16:17and when you come here
00:16:19to Serbia,
00:16:21then you let Lepe Brene
00:16:23and the grand show
00:16:25in Croatia.
00:16:27I sincerely hope and encourage
00:16:29that my friend Mario Mihaljevic
00:16:31will come back to Croatia
00:16:33and he will become a Croatian.
00:16:35Mario Mihaljevic has not changed
00:16:37anything from being a friend
00:16:39of the warrior and a member
00:16:41of the right-wing party
00:16:43to the complete ignorance
00:16:45of politics.
00:16:47That is why he has long been
00:16:49recognized as a legend
00:16:51of Croatian radio broadcasting
00:16:53and honored as the author
00:16:55of legendary poems.
00:17:01Because everything is not
00:17:03zero,
00:17:05extraordinary,
00:17:07for us
00:17:09Croatia.
00:17:17Thank you, mother.
00:17:19I wouldn't have done it better.
00:17:21How did the Croatians come about?
00:17:23The Croatians came about...
00:17:25I had a lot of friends
00:17:27at the radio station,
00:17:29but some of them
00:17:31grew up in my heart.
00:17:33Not to mention Zlatko Pejaković,
00:17:35with whom I went to the radio station
00:17:37since childhood,
00:17:39when he was 5 and I was 4 years old.
00:17:41But one of those I met
00:17:43was Tomislav Ivčić,
00:17:45the late Tomislav Ivčić.
00:17:47When Tomislav Ivčić wrote
00:17:49the poem,
00:17:51they were delighted.
00:17:53Stop the war in Croatia.
00:17:55That was wonderful.
00:17:57I reacted
00:17:59as I usually do,
00:18:01emotionally.
00:18:03I said, no,
00:18:05no one will help us.
00:18:07They will not help us.
00:18:09They are the ones who attacked us.
00:18:11Who are we going to vote for in Europe?
00:18:15They all wanted to be our occupiers.
00:18:17Few of them are not.
00:18:19I said, no,
00:18:21we have to write a battle song.
00:18:23And that's how
00:18:25Croatia was born.
00:18:27I found Đuka Čajić,
00:18:29I walked my dog Meda,
00:18:31and somehow I got that melody.
00:18:33I had to write a text.
00:18:35I did a morning program,
00:18:37until 8 a.m.
00:18:39I said, Đuka, come,
00:18:41Đuka, wait for me at 8 a.m.
00:18:43Đuka came and we went together
00:18:45to Petrinjska,
00:18:47there are still Croatians there.
00:18:49Here is a picture.
00:18:51I wrote
00:18:5337 songs.
00:18:59I know why you ask.
00:19:01It was written in the newspaper
00:19:03that we drank 18 whiskeys
00:19:05and that Croatians were born.
00:19:07Yes, but they were not whiskeys,
00:19:09but doubles.
00:19:11Because you had to write.
00:19:13But alcohol did not accept me.
00:19:15After 5th, 6th I was crazy.
00:19:17The first five were always bad,
00:19:19but later it got better.
00:19:23I am not drunk.
00:19:25People would like to say that.
00:19:27And to discredit it in some way.
00:19:29I want to say that
00:19:31it is an emotional load.
00:19:33Let's go and help ourselves.
00:19:35I am a sociopath.
00:19:37About the fact that
00:19:39it was a hit song of HTV,
00:19:41you claim that
00:19:43one of the hits
00:19:45was banned.
00:19:47Why?
00:19:49I don't know.
00:19:51It did its job.
00:19:53In the war,
00:19:55I think that
00:19:57recently,
00:19:59when I released
00:20:01a story,
00:20:03then I said
00:20:05everything is fine,
00:20:07you don't have to run to the basement.
00:20:09Coincidentally,
00:20:11there was the first uprising in Zagreb
00:20:13and Croatians were on TV.
00:20:15Whenever there was an uprising,
00:20:17Croatians were on TV.
00:20:19Is it true that you left HTV because of them?
00:20:21Or because of Vrdoljak?
00:20:23That is one of the reasons.
00:20:27I reacted emotionally again.
00:20:29Sometimes,
00:20:31I reacted too quickly.
00:20:35But it always shows later
00:20:37that it turned out well.
00:20:39If I had not gone then,
00:20:41I would not have been on Radio Krapina.
00:20:43It is not mentioned here,
00:20:45but I had a great time
00:20:47when I was in Delnice.
00:20:49It is harder to work on a small radio station
00:20:51than on a bigger one.
00:20:53If I have to elaborate,
00:20:55I will.
00:20:57But when
00:20:59a rehearsal was held
00:21:01where those war songs
00:21:03were performed,
00:21:05I did not even get a call.
00:21:07Croatians were performed then.
00:21:09Nobody remembered
00:21:11and it did not bother me.
00:21:13Maybe it was a drop
00:21:15that spilled the glass.
00:21:19Did you leave because of that?
00:21:21No.
00:21:23You said that you would not
00:21:25cross Vrdoljak's path.
00:21:27Were you friends with him?
00:21:29I cannot say that we were friends.
00:21:31He was my mother's friend
00:21:33because we went to school together.
00:21:35They are the same generation.
00:21:37I cannot say
00:21:39that we were friends.
00:21:41But we were together.
00:21:43We were in America
00:21:45when he was the
00:21:47Vice President of the country.
00:21:49We were together
00:21:51in the creation of Croatia.
00:21:53Although I was with HDP.
00:21:55Let's be more specific.
00:21:57What was your intention?
00:21:59To go to Paraguay?
00:22:01I will tell you.
00:22:03I broke at the moment
00:22:05when Vesti was working
00:22:07in Jurisic.
00:22:13There was a meeting
00:22:15of the state of Paraguay.
00:22:17It was a HSP meeting.
00:22:19I cannot say
00:22:21what it was.
00:22:23Five or six people
00:22:25gathered there.
00:22:27Maybe ten thousand people.
00:22:29For me, Vesti was
00:22:31an event.
00:22:33And as the fourth event
00:22:35I decided
00:22:37to give a lecture
00:22:39at the Bana Jelcic market.
00:22:41It was called
00:22:43Bana Jelcic.
00:22:45I was watching it from the window.
00:22:47She called me.
00:22:49What is this, Mihaljevic?
00:22:51He cannot promote his party.
00:22:53We are not a foreign TV.
00:22:55We are not a foreign TV.
00:22:57We were a foreign TV.
00:22:59I have to admit that.
00:23:01This is
00:23:03my professionality.
00:23:05Did you become
00:23:07a member of HSP?
00:23:09I was a member of HSP.
00:23:11I am a member of HSP.
00:23:15I never had a book
00:23:17about HDP.
00:23:19I was leading
00:23:21HDP meetings.
00:23:23For free.
00:23:25We did it for free.
00:23:27Tomislav Ivcic,
00:23:29Fabian and me.
00:23:31Mr. Cermak
00:23:33told me that.
00:23:35General Cermak
00:23:37was the organizer
00:23:39of those meetings.
00:23:41He was very involved.
00:23:43His friend Krajac
00:23:45called me.
00:23:47Napotica and Tomislav Ivcic
00:23:49called me.
00:23:51I was glad
00:23:53because I was leading
00:23:55two biggest meetings in Croatia.
00:23:57In the morning of 30th of April
00:23:59when there were a million people.
00:24:05HSP.
00:24:07Did you
00:24:09become more
00:24:11enlightened
00:24:13in Croatia than you were
00:24:15before?
00:24:17Did you become more tough?
00:24:19Were you angry
00:24:21at your neighbors?
00:24:23No.
00:24:25In those years
00:24:27HSP was
00:24:29more or less
00:24:31the party that
00:24:33was more tough.
00:24:35Yes.
00:24:37There is
00:24:39one person
00:24:41who told me
00:24:43about Čičak.
00:24:45I call him Čičak.
00:24:47We have known each other since 1971.
00:24:49He told me
00:24:51and I remember
00:24:53that he said
00:24:55that HSS and HSP
00:24:57will be established soon.
00:24:59HDS exists.
00:25:01I knew
00:25:03a lot about HSP.
00:25:07I was interested in Starčević.
00:25:09I studied him
00:25:11before.
00:25:13He was an interesting party
00:25:15for me as an artist
00:25:17because that party
00:25:19had the most singers.
00:25:21You know that information.
00:25:23Din Ujević,
00:25:25A. Bešimić,
00:25:27A. G. Mataš,
00:25:29Eugen Kumičić,
00:25:31Harambašić.
00:25:33Everything that is
00:25:35the best in Croatian literature
00:25:37belonged to HSS.
00:25:39There are
00:25:41two streams in HSS.
00:25:43One is
00:25:45Starčević.
00:25:47Starčević
00:25:49Starčević
00:25:51when we talk about
00:25:53xenophobia of Croats
00:25:55I like to say that
00:25:57xenophobia of Croats
00:25:59is the fact that we chose
00:26:01half Serbian for fatherland
00:26:03and that we all rise
00:26:05as one to the anthem
00:26:07that Serbian composed for us.
00:26:09Runjanin.
00:26:11I saw some theories
00:26:13that it is not.
00:26:15I am sure that
00:26:17Starčević always composes
00:26:19when he composes one song.
00:26:21I don't know.
00:26:23He composed one song
00:26:25for Marseille.
00:26:27It is not important
00:26:29who composed it.
00:26:31Starčević
00:26:33and now
00:26:35that party
00:26:37was stolen by Starčević.
00:26:39He stole the party
00:26:41from Josip Frank.
00:26:43From those Franks
00:26:45not from Starčević's wing.
00:26:47Let's leave the history.
00:26:49There were Milinovci.
00:26:51Yes.
00:26:53And that party
00:26:55no matter what it is classified
00:26:57even though I don't like those divisions.
00:26:59I don't like divisions in anything
00:27:01neither in parties.
00:27:03Left, right.
00:27:05It is a black and white world.
00:27:07As my friend Houra would say.
00:27:09It is a party
00:27:11that fights for the rights of the people.
00:27:13What do you want to say?
00:27:15I want to say that it is the left wing.
00:27:17Tell us about your idealism.
00:27:19I am because of
00:27:21a man called Ante Paragic
00:27:23and that Parag who was
00:27:25chased and so on.
00:27:27You can't control the war.
00:27:29You can't control
00:27:31if someone will put
00:27:33a black uniform
00:27:35I don't care if you have a black shirt.
00:27:37I mean
00:27:39if you are a black shirt.
00:27:41I have to admit
00:27:43that I said
00:27:45put it on.
00:27:47If the enemy is afraid
00:27:49then put it on.
00:27:51I didn't see anything wrong in that.
00:27:53Although my grandfather
00:27:55died with that
00:27:57and was in that movement
00:27:59but that doesn't mean that I have to be.
00:28:01I don't have
00:28:03grandfather, father and so on.
00:28:05Those are stories for young people.
00:28:07I think
00:28:09that Paragic did a good job.
00:28:13I was at a meeting
00:28:15where he said
00:28:17when Forminar Hoss was made
00:28:19Croatian Defense Forces
00:28:21and that was said
00:28:23by Ante Paragic.
00:28:25When we talk about
00:28:27those 90s
00:28:29we talked yesterday
00:28:31about an interview
00:28:33where you made a mistake
00:28:35about some people.
00:28:37Look,
00:28:39now we have...
00:28:41I value those interviews so much
00:28:43that I wouldn't even mention them today.
00:28:45The context in which you put them
00:28:47is completely unprecedented.
00:28:49I could answer you
00:28:51in different ways.
00:28:53I could tell you
00:28:55for example...
00:28:57Do you think you made a mistake
00:28:59about someone?
00:29:01I could answer you
00:29:03in this way.
00:29:05It is a fact that
00:29:07such things happened to us.
00:29:09For example,
00:29:11you can ask me
00:29:13black and white.
00:29:17You can ask me
00:29:19if I am a Chetnik.
00:29:21I say yes, I am a Chetnik.
00:29:23How can you write that
00:29:25in a newspaper?
00:29:27That irony
00:29:29can't be written
00:29:31on a newspaper.
00:29:33Here is Rade
00:29:35for example.
00:29:37I am sure he is also suffering
00:29:39from that.
00:29:41Who am I
00:29:43to hurt
00:29:45people in my life?
00:29:47It would last
00:29:49until tomorrow.
00:29:53I would use this opportunity
00:29:55to do an unusual thing
00:29:57that I don't think
00:29:59it is necessary
00:30:01for all of us.
00:30:03I watched a TV show
00:30:05and I wouldn't use
00:30:07my own TV show
00:30:09because it would be
00:30:11a privatization.
00:30:13I would tell
00:30:15all people
00:30:17who felt
00:30:19threatened
00:30:21for a second
00:30:23and you can't
00:30:25even find
00:30:27what I did in my life.
00:30:29I would apologize
00:30:31to everyone.
00:30:33I would ask
00:30:35you to forgive me.
00:30:37I love you all equally.
00:30:39I did that
00:30:41in my life.
00:30:43I managed to forgive others.
00:30:45I hope I will be able to do that.
00:30:47Vrdoljak and others
00:30:49are included.
00:30:51How did they feel
00:30:53threatened?
00:30:55Some of them
00:30:57are crying
00:30:59because of the next
00:31:01three minutes.
00:31:03I assume you have no reason
00:31:05to cry.
00:31:07We will watch
00:31:09a video from 1988.
00:31:11You are
00:31:13a screenwriter.
00:31:15Are you a screenwriter?
00:31:17No.
00:31:19I am a screenwriter
00:31:21and my dear colleague
00:31:23Vojislav is a screenwriter.
00:31:25Let's watch a video from 1988.
00:31:55We need
00:31:57only a little
00:31:59good ears
00:32:01for a bad song.
00:32:03But a song
00:32:05and a song are the same.
00:32:07Even if
00:32:09there is a bar
00:32:11the market is not
00:32:13the same
00:32:15for thousands and thousands of people.
00:32:19The market is not
00:32:21the same
00:32:23for thousands and thousands of people.
00:32:27Trains and trains
00:32:31are our mixed marriages.
00:32:35Let someone
00:32:37show me the sign
00:32:39where the train
00:32:41turns into a train.
00:32:43The same train
00:32:45the same line
00:32:47for all people
00:32:49for all people
00:32:51The same train
00:32:53the same line
00:32:55for all people
00:32:59The same train
00:33:01the same line
00:33:03for all people
00:33:09The same train
00:33:13are our mixed marriages.
00:33:17Let someone
00:33:19Let someone show me the sign where the train turns into a train.
00:33:26Let's go one more time.
00:33:29Trains, trains, on our hanged tracks.
00:33:37Let someone show me the sign where the train turns into a train.
00:33:45Let someone show me the sign where the train turns into a train.
00:33:54Let someone show me the sign where the train turns into a train.
00:34:25We are going to listen to the next song.
00:34:29You don't need to say anything.
00:34:32I agree, but I would like to explain the difference between the Croatian song and the Croatian song.
00:34:41You didn't know Pjera Vukelić, my dear friend.
00:34:45We were talking about the war for 20 years.
00:34:48Our colleagues were running away from us.
00:34:50What are you talking about?
00:34:52We had a vision, we saw where it was going.
00:34:54It is not clear to me that we were killing each other because of the difference in which we were laughing together.
00:34:59It is unbelievable.
00:35:01But there are always fools who want to make it explode.
00:35:07It doesn't make any sense.
00:35:10It was a cry not to happen.
00:35:13Let's make it clear.
00:35:16People like to see things in black and white.
00:35:18I know they are not black and white.
00:35:20Yes, they are black and white.
00:35:23Were you Yugoslav at that time?
00:35:25No.
00:35:27What are you talking about?
00:35:29No, no, no.
00:35:31I have never been Yugoslav.
00:35:34This is a digression.
00:35:36You said that you realized that you were Croatian when you were 14 years old.
00:35:39Yes, when there was a numbering.
00:35:41I don't like numbering.
00:35:43Sinisa Kotarić was sitting with me in the club.
00:35:45We didn't talk in the house because we were not allowed to.
00:35:49My grandmother was shot in 1947.
00:35:52I found out later.
00:35:55My father had to go to the police station every 7 days.
00:36:00We didn't talk about it.
00:36:03I left and my father asked me what was going on at school.
00:36:10It was a good habit to ask what was going on at school.
00:36:13I didn't want to answer.
00:36:16I told him what was going on.
00:36:19He asked me what I said.
00:36:22I told him that I remember Sinisa Kotarić.
00:36:25I was sitting with him.
00:36:28He asked me what I said.
00:36:31I told him that I am Serbian.
00:36:34My father told me that I am Croatian.
00:36:38I never declared that I am Yugoslav.
00:36:41Yugoslavia had its charms.
00:36:45We see it more and more.
00:36:48Is that a smart word today?
00:36:51I don't think it is smart.
00:36:53I will tell the truth no matter how much it costs me.
00:36:56It cost me a lot in my life.
00:36:59What are the charms?
00:37:02Yugoslavia had its charms.
00:37:05Everyone could go on vacation.
00:37:07All big companies had their resorts.
00:37:12Only the members of parliament could drink coffee.
00:37:17Everyone could drink coffee.
00:37:20It was beautiful.
00:37:23People hung out together.
00:37:26It was cheap.
00:37:29I don't remember someone digging in containers.
00:37:32I don't remember that.
00:37:34I am writing this song
00:37:37assuming that what happened will happen.
00:37:42I am not the author of this song.
00:37:46Neither are the trains.
00:37:49I was in Belgrade with my dear friend,
00:37:52one of the greatest artists of our time,
00:37:55Vico Vuković.
00:37:58He is having a concert soon.
00:38:00I asked people to come.
00:38:03He is having a concert in Zagreb on the 18th of July.
00:38:06I asked people to come.
00:38:09There were a lot of newspapers.
00:38:12Unfortunately, there were a lot of newspapers in Yugoslavia at that time.
00:38:16The Central Committee of Yugoslavia told me to hold on.
00:38:19I talked to Vico Vuković.
00:38:22I drank coffee with him.
00:38:25We never argued.
00:38:27He told me,
00:38:30that he went to Zagreb with a train.
00:38:33I went with a train.
00:38:36I was wondering where the train was going.
00:38:39It was so beautiful.
00:38:42It stayed with me.
00:38:45When I came back to Zagreb,
00:38:48I asked Voja to write a text.
00:38:51Voja wrote the text.
00:38:54When it comes to songs,
00:38:57for example,
00:39:00I will sing something for you.
00:39:08On the accordion?
00:39:11No, I sang Emozore.
00:39:14I sang on the accordion.
00:39:17That's it.
00:39:20We will see.
00:39:23There was a good show on HTV.
00:39:25I don't know if you watched it.
00:39:28It was about songs
00:39:31sung by Partisans and Zagreb Friars.
00:39:34Yes, the same.
00:39:37This is the same song.
00:39:40We have another example.
00:39:43I recently said in my show
00:39:46that the song goes like this.
00:39:56I didn't hear it, but I know what it is.
00:39:59I know.
00:40:02It is an official Chetnik anthem.
00:40:05It goes like this.
00:40:10I have always
00:40:13perceived it
00:40:16as a chauvinistic farce.
00:40:19We did the same in 1985.
00:40:22I have always
00:40:25perceived it as a farce
00:40:28in my interviews.
00:40:31I worked differently in my life.
00:40:34You mentioned the article
00:40:37from 1995.
00:40:40I can't believe
00:40:43that the article is complete.
00:40:46I didn't think so.
00:40:49You mentioned Zemun as a Croatian border.
00:40:52Yes, it was like that.
00:40:55Serbia to Turkey.
00:40:58Yes, it is the same thing.
00:41:01But when I came to...
00:41:04You mentioned Zelovac.
00:41:07No.
00:41:10Not in that sense.
00:41:13No.
00:41:16I even suggested Parag
00:41:19and he agreed.
00:41:22Then the war started.
00:41:25He was a Serbian.
00:41:28Some people like to call it Orthodoxy.
00:41:31I don't like to call it that.
00:41:34I don't like to believe.
00:41:37I suggested
00:41:40a border
00:41:43which would be called Nikola Tesla
00:41:46under the motto of
00:41:49Serbs who would join the HSP.
00:41:52Serbs in Croatia
00:41:55and under the motto
00:41:58I am a Serb and Croatia is my home.
00:42:01Tesla is always the same.
00:42:04I thought differently.
00:42:07You know what?
00:42:10It is a black and white world.
00:42:13The first dead HOS in Vukovar
00:42:16was Nikola Borojevic Nidja.
00:42:19He is a Serb by nationality.
00:42:22The commander of HOS
00:42:25in Vukovar
00:42:28until the fall of Vukovar
00:42:31was a Serb, Vujinovic.
00:42:34His nickname was Serb.
00:42:37When he died he wrote
00:42:40Vujinovic Povlaka Serb.
00:42:45Was he an eccentric man?
00:42:48I think Milic said something.
00:42:51He admitted that I was.
00:42:54That is why I told people
00:42:57that I could do anything.
00:43:00Did alcohol contribute to your eccentricity?
00:43:03What was the role of alcohol in your life?
00:43:06It was easier for me
00:43:09to drink.
00:43:12I wasn't one of those people
00:43:15who get drunk and hurt themselves.
00:43:18I was tolerant.
00:43:21Now I have less tolerance
00:43:24for stupid things.
00:43:27Now I move away.
00:43:30I learned to move away.
00:43:33Then I knew how to react.
00:43:36Were you an alcoholic?
00:43:39No. I simply stopped at one point.
00:43:42I even think that I am allergic to alcohol.
00:43:45I didn't like the first, second,
00:43:48third, fourth, fifth drinks.
00:43:51Could you drink?
00:43:54I couldn't.
00:43:57You said that you could drink
00:44:00three liters of rakija in Mladenovac.
00:44:03What is alcoholism?
00:44:06It is not alcoholism.
00:44:09If I don't have to drink for 5-7 days
00:44:12or if alcoholics come home
00:44:15they get drunk themselves.
00:44:17I am a social drunk.
00:44:20Why did you drink?
00:44:23I don't know.
00:44:26I was stupid in many ways.
00:44:29You were stupid?
00:44:32Of course.
00:44:35Were you stupid
00:44:38when you were suspended
00:44:41in 1986?
00:44:44I was suspended about 50 times.
00:44:47I remember those stories.
00:44:50Let me ask you a question.
00:44:53It was in 1986.
00:44:56It was a ship.
00:44:59You were a Ustasha and a Chetnik.
00:45:02Unfortunately,
00:45:05we have to talk about those topics.
00:45:08It is one of those fakes.
00:45:11What happened?
00:45:14We were on that ship.
00:45:17Vuko Braticevic was the organizer
00:45:20of Vuko Braticevic's concert.
00:45:23It was the first big tour.
00:45:26We had our own internal parties.
00:45:29Where did we party?
00:45:32When did we rehearse?
00:45:35It was until the morning.
00:45:38Oliver Dragojevic likes to play until the morning.
00:45:41If you don't want to sing
00:45:44don't put the guitar and piano away.
00:45:47I will sing until the morning.
00:45:50Oliver Dragojevic was there.
00:45:53Neda Ukrade was on the ship.
00:45:56Jasna Zlokic, Suzana Mancic.
00:45:59It was a mixed society.
00:46:02Borut Pestotnik was there.
00:46:05Macedonians, Bosnians.
00:46:08It was a mixed society.
00:46:11When everything ended
00:46:14around 2 a.m.
00:46:17there was a studio.
00:46:20The studio had its own stickers.
00:46:23The biggest word was U.
00:46:26I cut the U with a knife.
00:46:29I cut the U with a knife.
00:46:32I stick it on everyone's forehead.
00:46:35There were two Serbs sitting next to me.
00:46:38One from Belgrade, one from Sarajevo.
00:46:41I started singing.
00:46:44Get ready, get ready.
00:46:47It went on.
00:46:50Around 4 a.m.
00:46:53I heard a strange voice.
00:46:56It said,
00:46:59Give me something to drink.
00:47:02It was a strange voice.
00:47:05It was a ship.
00:47:08I got up.
00:47:11I asked who it was.
00:47:14There were two strangers.
00:47:17I said, I'm here.
00:47:20Who called you?
00:47:23The man came and said,
00:47:26I'm not going with the ship.
00:47:29I threw him into the sea.
00:47:32He said,
00:47:35Shut up.
00:47:38You know what you're doing.
00:47:41He went to the police
00:47:44and reported that
00:47:47there was a robbery.
00:47:50They arrested us that morning.
00:47:53They took us to the police station.
00:47:56They put 15 of us there.
00:47:59They put us in a cell.
00:48:02I was thinking.
00:48:05I was going to tell the truth.
00:48:08I was knocking on the door.
00:48:11I came to him.
00:48:14He had everything drawn up.
00:48:17He had all the information.
00:48:20What happened?
00:48:23It was the 27th day of the uprising.
00:48:26There was no incident.
00:48:29He told me later.
00:48:32People ran away.
00:48:35There was panic.
00:48:38Suspension.
00:48:41Branko Puharec,
00:48:44the director,
00:48:47told me
00:48:50to take off my gloves
00:48:53and give you a shot.
00:48:56I knew that.
00:48:59But I couldn't stop them.
00:49:02There were smart people at the top.
00:49:05That's how it happened.
00:49:08What was the biggest madness
00:49:11you committed?
00:49:14I haven't been drinking for 10 years.
00:49:17I don't even have a cap.
00:49:20I used to drink 70 types of whisky.
00:49:23I know 6 types of mineral water.
00:49:29The biggest madness
00:49:32was in 1990.
00:49:35I will tell you what happened.
00:49:38We were in the plane.
00:49:41It was the 11th month of the uprising.
00:49:44Croatia was not ready.
00:49:47It was not a recognized country.
00:49:50Tonči Vrdoljak was the president.
00:49:53We had a festival in Toronto.
00:49:56We went to Toronto.
00:49:59We were in the plane.
00:50:02They changed the engine
00:50:05in Zurich.
00:50:08We had a reason to drink.
00:50:11Somewhere in front of Canada
00:50:14they gave us forms
00:50:17that we had to fill.
00:50:20Tonči Vrdoljak,
00:50:23Mihaljinec, Spokojnjević,
00:50:26Djgrdović,
00:50:29a strong team,
00:50:32asked us to write Croatia.
00:50:35I didn't like to listen
00:50:38to what people said.
00:50:41I told Djuki Čajić,
00:50:44who was sitting next to me,
00:50:47that we should write
00:50:50Croatia.
00:50:53We came to the Tsarina.
00:50:56They were looking at us.
00:50:59They put the Croatian computer
00:51:02and told them to go away.
00:51:05We came to Djuki Čajić.
00:51:08He was looking at the computer
00:51:11and said,
00:51:14Welcome to Canada.
00:51:17It was May 1985.
00:51:20My dear friend Trulj.
00:51:23He has a studio.
00:51:26He is Ante Kostelić's best friend.
00:51:29We conquered Petrinska police station.
00:51:32We flew into the police station.
00:51:35A man handed himself over to us.
00:51:38We had two days until retirement.
00:51:41We entered Petrinska police station.
00:51:44If I'm not mistaken,
00:51:47you were a carpenter.
00:51:50Yes, we did it in Petrinska.
00:51:53Who was responsible for the alcohol?
00:51:56Was it your second marriage?
00:51:59Yes.
00:52:02It's one of the reasons.
00:52:05My second son was born.
00:52:08While he was in the hospital,
00:52:11I was thinking about it.
00:52:13How old is he now?
00:52:16He will be exactly 9 years old.
00:52:19He will be 10 years old.
00:52:22Your second marriage was a public affair.
00:52:25Yes.
00:52:28It's not a secret.
00:52:31When someone asks me,
00:52:34I say I'm not married anymore.
00:52:37Thank God I managed to get married.
00:52:40It's not a secret.
00:52:43I want to keep it a secret.
00:52:46I'm not in a situation
00:52:49where someone will curse me.
00:52:52But no one cares about the truth.
00:52:55I look at every woman I've had in my life.
00:52:58Every relationship lasted 5 minutes.
00:53:01I carry every woman in my life.
00:53:04Especially the two women
00:53:07who are the mothers of my children.
00:53:09I'm grateful for that.
00:53:12But I think that...
00:53:15As my friends said,
00:53:18I don't like dogmas,
00:53:21I don't like formalities,
00:53:24I don't like what others tell you.
00:53:27The world is not black and white.
00:53:30That's how I grew up.
00:53:33One day, Anita and I sat down
00:53:36and said,
00:53:39let's do something
00:53:42for each other
00:53:45and it's time to part.
00:53:48I'm with my children every day.
00:53:51I visit them after the show.
00:53:54I see and hear her every day.
00:53:57We take care of our children.
00:54:00I met my first wife,
00:54:03Branimir's mother.
00:54:06I'm going to meet her soon.
00:54:10You stopped drinking alcohol.
00:54:13In a way,
00:54:16it took you to the spiritual sphere.
00:54:19Maybe I'm confused.
00:54:22I didn't want to use the word confused.
00:54:25What defines your spiritual sphere today?
00:54:28Yesterday, when we talked,
00:54:31you told me about universal love.
00:54:34Yes.
00:54:36That energy,
00:54:39that mysticism of God,
00:54:42that's what occupies me the most.
00:54:45I believe that one day
00:54:48I will do what is missing
00:54:51in our schools and everywhere.
00:54:54It's like a school of love,
00:54:57where love would be taught.
00:55:00People say,
00:55:02and I'm honest,
00:55:05to all the people I've hurt.
00:55:08My thesis is,
00:55:11as I've heard in some channels,
00:55:14I don't know how you feel about this,
00:55:17only evil can defeat evil.
00:55:20It sounds strange,
00:55:23but it's the truth.
00:55:26If you recognize evil in yourself,
00:55:29then you can defeat it.
00:55:32But you can't defeat evil.
00:55:35If you recognize evil in yourself,
00:55:38then you can recognize
00:55:41that other people have it too,
00:55:44but they have great qualities
00:55:47and they are all positive in their being.
00:55:50You won't agree with me,
00:55:53but everyone has positive qualities.
00:55:56We need to think about positive qualities.
00:55:59I would like to be born
00:56:02with positive qualities.
00:56:05They have nothing to do with war,
00:56:08hatred, love, nothing.
00:56:11They have no idea what it's about.
00:56:14They have 50 expressions for snow,
00:56:17but none for hatred.
00:56:20Only love.
00:56:23Pope Benedict wrote
00:56:263 years ago,
00:56:29that God is love.
00:56:32I got this message
00:56:35on 21.12.2012.
00:56:38If it was 2002,
00:56:41then I think it was 2002.
00:56:44May has a calendar
00:56:47to come either to victory of good
00:56:50or to victory of evil.
00:56:53Either to victory of love
00:56:56or to victory of fear.
00:56:59The whole world depends
00:57:02on love and on fear.
00:57:05You are getting closer to the end.
00:57:08You didn't find your answers
00:57:11in the church?
00:57:14No. People from the church
00:57:17helped me a lot.
00:57:20I heard about the seminar
00:57:23with Pope Benedict
00:57:26in Montenegro.
00:57:29Pope Benedict is famous
00:57:32in Montenegro.
00:57:35What does he say?
00:57:38Spirituality is the best dependency.
00:57:41I would recommend everyone
00:57:44to be dependent on spirituality.
00:57:47Then you won't be dependent on material things.
00:57:50Then you won't be worthless.
00:57:53When you realize that the only thing
00:57:56that is valuable in life
00:57:59is what you bring with you
00:58:02it is time to understand each other.
00:58:05I won't take anything from him.
00:58:08But a lot of knowledge.
00:58:11The soul in this life
00:58:14collects a lot of things.
00:58:17How to use it later
00:58:20Ivan Savic would explain it better.
00:58:23I am looking for answers from other people.
00:58:26I can say that we understand each other
00:58:29and that there are more and more people
00:58:32who say that the material world
00:58:35is completely worthless.
00:58:38This is a small detail.
00:58:41Could the material world create the spiritual world?
00:58:44We agree that there is a spiritual world.
00:58:47No. Only the spiritual world
00:58:50could create the material world.
00:58:53That is the most important.
00:58:56Our spirituality is the most important thing
00:58:59that makes us human,
00:59:02and ecumenism is a universal ecumenism.
00:59:05When all the faiths,
00:59:08that is why I created the Association
00:59:11of Universal Love,
00:59:14we agree on three things.
00:59:17Love, good and truth.
00:59:20If we can agree on that,
00:59:23we will easily agree on other things
00:59:26so that there won't be conflicts.
00:59:29Unfortunately, there are religious wars
00:59:32on our territory.
00:59:38Dear viewers, that's all for today.
00:59:41See you in a day.
00:59:44I wish you a pleasant afternoon.