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Under what Conditions is PTI's protest being postponed | Kashif Abbasi Reveal Everything
Under what Conditions is PTI's protest being postponed | Kashif Abbasi Reveal Everything
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00:00Right. Thank you.
00:01Mr. Dhani, please stay with us.
00:02Mr. Kashif Abbasi, now this development has taken place
00:04that the PTI has been confirmed.
00:07I mean, it's not officially confirmed, but we all know that it's not happening.
00:09Now, there will be an official statement or tweet on this.
00:12I was watching your show.
00:14You were saying that the government should also be facilitated
00:17and the PTI should not be done on the occasion of SEO.
00:19That's fine.
00:20But tell me, in the current situation of the PTI,
00:23has the PTI gained anything from this move?
00:27Or has it lost, in your opinion?
00:28You announced it on the day of the SEO
00:31and then you took it back.
00:32Has it gained anything or lost anything?
00:36It hasn't gained anything.
00:37What it has lost is that even after the last protest,
00:43the leadership of the PTI has lost a lot of its face.
00:46People didn't know what to do with their supporters in Islamabad.
00:51Mr. Ali Ameen went to have tea.
00:53The rest of the leadership stayed hidden.
00:56And there was a worker in Islamabad's D-Chowk.
01:00There was no leader.
01:02Even now, when you gave the call,
01:04someone said that he will take the sea to Islamabad.
01:08Someone else said that if you bring the sea,
01:10I will bring a bigger sea for him.
01:12But believe me, no one knew what to do till evening.
01:16I was on the phone in the evening.
01:19Momin, you made a set of calls.
01:21What's the plan?
01:23No one knew about the plan.
01:25We didn't know if the government would come or not.
01:27We were planning on this hope
01:30that the government would arrange a meeting
01:33and we would become a lion and go back to bring the sea.
01:38So that was the case.
01:39They would say, okay, the work is done.
01:40We arranged the meeting.
01:41Now they will say, look, at 11 o'clock at night,
01:43we were told to arrange a meeting for God's sake.
01:45For God's sake, cancel it.
01:46We did it.
01:47Go, cancel it.
01:48No?
01:50But did the meeting take place?
01:51No, but they are saying that it's because of PIMS doctors in the morning.
01:56But look, the government will give them face-saving.
02:01They knew, as far as I know,
02:05that the meeting will take place.
02:07Yes.
02:08The meeting will take place.
02:09We will call off our protest.
02:11We will become a lion.
02:13We will say, look, we have put our feet on our necks
02:15and got our words made.
02:17Otherwise, imagine, on the 11th,
02:19we have to come on the 15th.
02:21It's a four-day gap.
02:22If we had to do it on the 15th, we would have done it on the 18th.
02:23Otherwise, we would have done it on the 11th or 12th.
02:26So, a lot of problems were present in their place at that time as well.
02:30So, justice was carried out in a very haphazard manner.
02:33Look, in just 15 days,
02:34two times, I mean,
02:35Gandapur came to Islamabad with its own caravan.
02:38Hmm.
02:38When they came to Islamabad last time,
02:40you know, this is their number, of KP.
02:43That out of 500, 1000 workers who had come from KP,
02:46are still in different jails in Islamabad.
02:49Yes, yes.
02:51Taking these people out every day,
02:53bringing them to Islamabad,
02:55they say, we don't even have the machines.
02:57They had already announced that we are ready, we will go.
03:00They don't even want to force the machines to Islamabad.
03:02So, all this build-up was going on
03:06on this hope that
03:08there was a protest in Islamabad.
03:09So, if this option is ultimately exhausted,
03:12I mean, how many times can you repeat this exercise?
03:15Two, three, four, five, six.
03:16If this is also exhausted, then the problem will not increase.
03:19Then the other side won't be able to share
03:21what they will do now.
03:22You have already done this.
03:23Tell me, what will you do now?
03:26You are absolutely right.
03:28You pace this out.
03:30You leave some space for this.
03:33You don't exhaust your workers.
03:35You keep your political options open.
03:37Political parties run like this.
03:40These people who act like Tarzan
03:42and call for protest every day,
03:44I am telling you, they are two great leaders in justice.
03:47The competition between the two has given this call.
03:50Yes.
03:51One said, I am coming.
03:52The other couldn't stay back.
03:53The competition is very tough.
03:54They don't get along with each other.
03:56The leaders of Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
03:59So, the other said, okay, you come.
04:00So, I will also have to come.
04:02So, in this competition,
04:04one has to bring the sea,
04:05the other said, okay, I will also bring the sea.
04:07Although everyone knew inside
04:08that if Mr. Hamad Azhar and Ali Ameen Ghandapur
04:13Hamad Azhar is already underground.
04:15How do they come out?
04:16Ali Ameen has come twice.
04:17It is very difficult for him to come for the third time.
04:19Yes.
04:20So, these two people,
04:21even though they are in competition with each other,
04:23but still, believe me,
04:25if you call a senior leader,
04:27one of my friends from PTI,
04:28he will say, sir, what is the plan?
04:30He will say, there is no plan.
04:31I have no idea.
04:32This whole game is being played on hope.
04:36Shall I tell you the last thing?
04:37Friends from PTI say that this is a build-up.
04:41The build-up was that on 4th October, D-Chowk.
04:44On 5th October, Minar-e-Pakistan.
04:46Then, GT Road.
04:47All this happened.
04:48Then, Islamabad's call,
04:49which was to happen on 15th,
04:50but it will be over in a few days.
04:51Then, Dharna.
04:53So, do you think this is a call for Dharna?
04:56Is it a final call
04:57that the government is still afraid of?
04:58That to avoid Dharna,
05:00do anything but avoid this.
05:01Or do you think they have seen that this is it?
05:04Okay.
05:05Four shells will work.
05:06Two will be this.
05:07But it will be managed.
05:09If you ask me,
05:10I find justice more uncomfortable in both of these.
05:15Because justice has to do a lot to bring people.
05:18To prepare people mentally first,
05:20then to bring Islamabad,
05:22and then to make them sit.
05:23It's not an easy task.
05:25There are no people like Tariq-e-Qadri who will sit.
05:27Right.
05:28I find justice more difficult,
05:31if you ask me today.
05:32Right.
05:32The government knows that it can crack down.
05:34I can do this, I can do that.
05:35And if more and more people come and sit,
05:39they won't sit.
05:40How many days will they sit?
05:42When there was support for all the set-ups,
05:44the government couldn't open the Dharna.
05:46If the government couldn't crack down on Dharna in the past,
05:49then I will think that if I am in the government,
05:51that the government still couldn't crack down on Dharna.
05:53Thank you, Kashif sir.