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Constitutional Amendments | Sahibzada Hamid Raza's Shocking Revelations
Constitutional Amendments | Sahibzada Hamid Raza's Shocking Revelations
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00:00And in our country we use the slogan of democracy a lot, that we are the protectors of democracy,
00:07we are the ones who are responsible for this country.
00:09Before going into the break, I said that people, parliamentarians, who are called legislators,
00:15who are called law makers, if you have not given an agreement even till today,
00:20and even tomorrow there is a cabinet meeting in the Parliament House,
00:26they will approve it.
00:28The assembly meeting is being held in the Senate.
00:30Someone says that it has already been approved in the Senate.
00:32It will be tabled there.
00:33One by one, it will be read out.
00:35Is this method correct?
00:37Is this democracy?
00:38But the whole method, the steps to legislation,
00:40in the National Assembly or in the Senate,
00:42or the amendments, the constitutional amendments,
00:44that is clearly there.
00:46Once, when this...
00:48There will be a loud reading and...
00:50No, no, look at its steps a little.
00:52One of its steps is that,
00:54the whole exercise that is being done,
00:56regarding the committee,
00:57this will happen, civil society will be on board.
00:59After the committee, there is no consensus.
01:01After that...
01:02You don't know.
01:03You are...
01:04We consider you a legal visit.
01:06I can share that with you.
01:08The problem is that even you don't know
01:10whether it is about the same court or the same bench.
01:12So this is where we stand.
01:14Both options are there.
01:16Finality attained.
01:17Someone has to do something after today's meeting.
01:19What is the hurry?
01:21If it is seen in the Parliament, then...
01:24Whoever is leading,
01:25votes are more for us.
01:27If we talk there,
01:29because it is leading the People's Party,
01:31votes will be needed for us too.
01:33Obviously, we are part of the government.
01:34I was talking about the legacy,
01:35about democracy.
01:36Look, you can get legislation done,
01:39or it can be amended.
01:41The real problem is that,
01:42how will this problem be solved?
01:44Look, leave is granted,
01:45it is referred to the committees,
01:47it has to go to other houses too.
01:49It is a bit of a task.
01:51If it is said overnight,
01:53or in a day,
01:54I don't think it will be possible.
01:56No one saw the consultation last night.
01:58I spoke to the senior people.
01:59Leave to...
02:00You present the bill,
02:03the speaker grants the leave.
02:05But you said you will complete the procedure.
02:06There will be a law,
02:07it will be written,
02:08there will be a table,
02:09the speaker will read it,
02:10the chairman of the senate will read it,
02:11yes or no,
02:13it will be counted.
02:15No, if they suspend the rules,
02:17the rules permit that,
02:18if it is not sent to the committees,
02:20it should go to the committees.
02:22This is the spirit of the amendment?
02:23It should go.
02:24And I myself,
02:25no one will be ready to go,
02:27the bar council,
02:30we have engaged with the bar councils,
02:32we have engaged with the bar associations.
02:34I myself went to the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan,
02:37and sat there for three hours.
02:38There, Mr. Salman Akram Raja,
02:40the people of the civil society,
02:42Ms. Hina Jalani,
02:43I told all of them that,
02:44this is coming in the constitution,
02:45and this is the constitution.
02:46And it is not the constitution.
02:47No, it is.
02:48How beautiful.
02:49It is the constitution.
02:50The constitution has flown away.
02:51No, it is the constitution.
02:52The constitution has come.
02:53Look, there is a tweak in it,
02:54definitely,
02:55I told you,
02:56there is a work in it.
02:57A tweak?
02:58The article 8,
02:59article 199,
03:00the judges of the high court,
03:01that was already removed.
03:02The military court was also removed,
03:03wasn't it?
03:04No, there is no military court.
03:05So, everything has been removed,
03:06what is left?
03:07The constitution,
03:08and the appointment of judges,
03:09the procedure,
03:10that is old,
03:11apart from that,
03:12the evaluation of the judges,
03:13the performance,
03:14the evaluation of that,
03:16and the transfer of judges,
03:17all this,
03:18we are not doing it.
03:19I have said this yesterday as well.
03:20The Supreme Judicial Council
03:21is not going to do this.
03:22The parliament is not going to do this.
03:23But who is going to evaluate?
03:24The Supreme Judicial Council
03:25is going to do it.
03:26The judges are going to do it.
03:27The judges are going to do it.
03:28The judges are going to do it.
03:29Because when it is said,
03:30among the top 3 or top 5 judges,
03:31someone should be appointed
03:32as the Chief Justice of the government,
03:34which concept have we brought from outside?
03:36But here,
03:37this will also happen,
03:38it happens in our country,
03:40that the judge will not go against the government,
03:43who wants to be the Chief Justice.
03:44I think this is a preconceived notion.
03:47Is it wrong?
03:48It is wrong.
03:49It is wrong.
03:50The judge will not go against the law.
03:51So you are saying that
03:52if you give the judge complete authority,
03:54that the Prime Minister
03:55can appoint a judge
03:56just by sitting alone,
03:57then this is a preconceived notion.
03:58You are saying it wrong.
03:59But in America,
04:00this is what happens,
04:01that we,
04:02now this appointment,
04:03And what process do they go through?
04:04Look at that process,
04:05that is what we are saying,
04:06that here,
04:07the Special Parliamentary Committee,
04:08which is going to be appointed for the first time,
04:10a very good proposal
04:11came from the Pakistan Bar Council,
04:13they told us
04:14that you should not appoint
04:15the Prime Minister
04:16and the President
04:17in the first appointment,
04:18you should do it in such a way
04:19that you can take them
04:20to the Special Parliamentary Committee,
04:21and there will be equal representation
04:23of the opposition
04:24and the government as well.
04:25Mr. Sardar,
04:26do you and Mr. Maulana
04:27think that the matter is over
04:29after coming here?
04:32The government is happy.
04:33No, no, Kashif bhai.
04:34Why is it over, sir?
04:35Mr. Maulana,
04:36as per commitment,
04:37he told us before going.
04:38Before going with Mr. Maulana,
04:39there was a meeting.
04:40He told us that
04:41I am going to Karachi,
04:42I will meet Mr. Bilawal there,
04:44and on my return,
04:45I will talk to Muslim League Noon,
04:47and then I will sit with you.
04:48So, we got in touch
04:49last night as well,
04:50and we got in touch today as well.
04:52So, I guess that whenever
04:53he will come back,
04:54Inshallah,
04:55we will see him.
04:57And do you think
04:58that Maulana's position
04:59is now closer to you
05:00or closer to the government?
05:04No, sir,
05:05as far as things are concerned,
05:06Kashif sahab,
05:07I have seen many things
05:08in the draft,
05:09which I am on oath,
05:10I can't tell you that,
05:12but I can tell you this much,
05:14that Maulana sahab's
05:16and the government's,
05:18the draft that has been
05:19authorized by the government,
05:21or the draft that has been
05:22authorized by Maulana sahab,
05:24the difference between them
05:26is of 90 degrees.
05:28Okay, fine.