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00:00:31And with one shot the Rocksdale killer had struck again the body of Monica
00:00:43Thumbs you scared us you to listen to true crime podcast again. No
00:00:50Yes
00:00:51It's not any true crime podcast. It's whodunit featuring Laurel st. James. You guys need to make some new friends
00:01:00See you in class
00:01:07Class doesn't start for another 10 minutes. That's exactly what I was thinking press play birdie case. I love you
00:01:19After shooting her the killer placed a note in the victim's hand he disappeared into the darkness
00:01:25His identity still unknown to this day
00:01:30a birdie told a birdie told me
00:01:35What was I supposed to say?
00:01:39the world's like a magical potion
00:01:42As
00:01:57Someone who spent 25 years working homicides
00:02:00I can tell you it's evidence that solves crimes not the story of the crime
00:02:07So when someone describes the narrative of the crime
00:02:11You have to be skeptical so
00:02:17What's the job of the PI oh
00:02:20Yes, Bernie we have to verify everything exactly
00:02:23Don't let the story dictate the evidence no matter how fun that story might be let the evidence
00:02:31Tell the story, okay
00:02:33pieces
00:02:35Alden
00:02:36You with us or?
00:02:39Loud and clear evidence not narrative. All right on to one of my favorite subjects the dangers of roughshadowing
00:02:47Why am I always so jazzed up spending three hours talking about murder? I know I know me, too
00:02:53But wait, we're not that murder couple, right? We do have other hobbies Bernie. We're private investigators now
00:03:00It's our job to be immersed in the crime world. The doctors go to hospitals. We listen to strangers talk about murder
00:03:06We're the doctors of murder
00:03:09Yeah, no, that doesn't sound right. Whatever. We have a lot of normal people hobbies, too
00:03:14you like yoga, you know and doing lawyer stuff and I
00:03:18you
00:03:19you collect robots and you brew your own root beer and you will
00:03:24Literally do anything to wear a fake mustache. Well mine doesn't grow in right?
00:03:29Do you think thumbs is right?
00:03:32Do we have to make new friends we have tons of friends not counting your robots, you know, he may have a point
00:03:41Listen to your body
00:03:45Inhale light exhale what doesn't serve you
00:03:53Oh
00:04:00Sorry
00:04:02This is a room. I thought there was a room before the room where you do
00:04:07Whatever. This is this is a sacred space
00:04:11leave
00:04:15Namaste
00:04:18Now my go
00:04:22And
00:04:28That concludes class
00:04:31If you haven't done so, please subscribe to my podcast
00:04:35Fire breath that is fire with a Y so you can breathe
00:04:43in the light
00:04:45Sorry about that just got distracted with these cinnamon buns. Yeah, don't worry about it
00:04:51Winters just gets protective of her sacred space. Yeah, and it's terms like sacred space why I will never be doing yoga
00:04:57I'm sure that's the only reason
00:05:02These cinnamon buns are magical wait, how'd you get those? I thought they're always sold out. Okay. Well, of course you got a guy
00:05:08I got a guy
00:05:10You want one it just worked out exactly calories cancel each other out
00:05:17Well, if the math works out, yeah, give me a little bite
00:05:26Well, you're not planning on eating all those today are you nope these ones for tomorrow the coffee dunkers
00:05:31Mmm, a man with a plan wait Oh
00:05:35birdie birdie Perez
00:05:38Kristen Duckford
00:05:43Well, I'm actually birdie case now, this is my husband Alden hi guilty. Yeah. Hi. Sorry Sunday cinnamon buns are a bit of a commitment
00:05:51Oh, I thought you moved to New York. I did. Yeah
00:05:54I moved back after my dad passed away to take over the family business. So sorry to hear about your dad
00:05:58I work with my mom so I can seriously speak to family business and all that come through with it
00:06:04Can't wait to hear about that. Mm-hmm. We should catch up. You want to get drinks tomorrow? You know what? Yes, let's do it
00:06:10Let's make it dinner. We've got a lot of ground to cover. I love it. Yes
00:06:14You two should come over. Yeah, you can meet my boyfriend Tom
00:06:16We've only been dating a couple months, but I feel like if he can handle a couple high school stories between us
00:06:21You might be a keeper. Well, we will try not to scare him off. That sounds super fun. Yeah
00:06:28Right, wouldn't it?
00:06:30Yeah, that's super fun. Text me
00:06:33And we will iron out the details. Great. Okay. Bye. Nice to meet you. Yeah
00:06:38Huh?
00:06:42She was a
00:06:43Friend of yours from high school. Kind of. You know, we had a healthy rivalry
00:06:48I mean technically I had a higher GPA, but the principal rounded up a decimal point. So we were co-valedictorians
00:06:55And we're happy that she's back. Yes, babe. This is how we make friends
00:07:04It's a beautiful day for cinnabons
00:07:11Bob's gonna get some cinnabons and pop them in my mouth
00:07:20What in the world?
00:07:24No
00:07:26No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
00:07:30What happened to the Dunkers? I don't know something got to them first. I can't even look
00:07:34It's like a crime scene and not the fun kind. Here, let me help you
00:07:39Gross. I feel so violated. I look forward to that all week. I'm sure it's a one-off
00:07:45Oh, and don't forget we have dinner with Kristen and her boyfriend Tom tonight
00:07:50How could I forget?
00:07:54What kind of name is Tom anyway? Is he gonna float a raft down the Mississippi River?
00:07:59I'm sure that Tom is a nice guy
00:08:02You know what? I'm actually happy to reconnect with Kristen. It will be good for us to make new friends
00:08:08We don't exactly have the best track record, babe
00:08:10I have no idea what you're talking about. After charades with the Marksons
00:08:13I think we're just lucky that they accepted your apology. Uh, our apology?
00:08:19We'll see you after work
00:08:25Her hair will grow back eventually
00:08:28Where are you? Where are you? Where are you? Where are you? Ah, yes. Okay
00:08:38Keys, keys, keys. Okay
00:08:41One of you has got to work, right?
00:08:45Birdie? Yeah. Where are you with the Wagner case? Oh, I'm nearly done
00:08:49Just waiting for their counsel to send revisions. It'd be good by the end of the week
00:08:53Okay, well send them to me as soon as you can. Okay
00:08:57I don't need them that badly. No, no. I'm looking for a hairpin or a paperclip. Oh
00:09:04Here. Oh
00:09:06Perfect. Thank you. Are you gonna pick the lock? I mean, I've never done it before but you know on TV
00:09:12It seems pretty straightforward. I'll call a locksmith. No, no, no, no, I got it. I got it. Thank you. I got it.
00:09:20I 100% totally got it
00:09:35Let's see lock picking for beginners
00:09:50Ah
00:09:57This outfit looks really good on you. Like an unemployed funeral director. You look handsome
00:10:04Thank you for doing this. Of course. My favorite hobby is making you happy. Are you flirting with me? I don't know, maybe
00:10:12Hey guys. Hi. Come on in. Thank you. Sorry, Tom called from work. He's gonna be a little late. No problem. Can I get you some wine? Yes, please. I'll stick with the old Sarsaparilla.
00:10:26Great. Wine for Birdie then.
00:10:42You're so sweet.
00:10:48Oh, no way
00:10:52Babe
00:10:53She's got Laurel St. James's book. Wait, do you like murder? Yeah, I
00:11:01guess
00:11:03Laurel's actually one of our authors. We published that book. She's one of our bestsellers
00:11:08Probably the only reason why we're still in business. Publishing sounds like a rough business. Well, I'm fourth generation. So rough business is in my blood. Oh
00:11:15It's signed. Nice
00:11:17No way. Yeah. Oh
00:11:20I should introduce you. She records her podcast in town. Great. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's Tom
00:11:28Introduce us? What?
00:11:31You know what, honestly this whole having friends thing, it's not so bad. See I told you and you're doing so so good
00:11:37As promised, this is my boyfriend Tom
00:11:42He's a policeman. Oh we've met
00:11:55Wow, so you solved the Lee McGinnis murders. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's how we know officer air quotes
00:12:02Excuse me officer Newton you had it right you can call me Tom Tom
00:12:07so
00:12:09Alden you
00:12:10Still into robots or whatever. Oh, it's a very busy time of year
00:12:14We're seeing a lot of lesser-known omnibots come to market while the frenzy over vintage show guns is kind of died down
00:12:19Although I did get my hands on a rare Bondi Shogokan
00:12:24Which is pretty cool. I
00:12:26I don't know what any of that means. Yes, I'm still two robots cool
00:12:37Man this might be the best root beer I've ever had I made that mm-hmm you
00:12:42Make your own root beer. It's small batch award-winning root beer award-pending
00:12:46Yeah, I gotta set in the form, but um, I could I could send you a case. Oh
00:12:52Um
00:12:55Sure, yeah, that'd be cool cool
00:12:59Well, cheers cheers cheers into robots and root beer
00:13:08I'm so happy you guys came over me too. Yeah, you know what this
00:13:14This was fun agreed. We should do it again sometime you bring the root beer
00:13:19Uh, hey if you ever need a hand on a case we are always happy to help always I don't think so
00:13:27But hey, you never know
00:13:30So you're saying there's a chance
00:13:34Your coats my lady Oh
00:13:41What's the rubber ducky, uh, my last name is duck burn duck burn publishing
00:13:45It's our little logo we give them out. Do you want one? Uh,
00:13:50Yeah. Oh great. I'll send you one. Well, thank you so much for hosting. It's so much fun
00:13:55All right. Have a good night you guys cool
00:14:00Well, I think they'd like to I can be charming
00:14:06Okay
00:14:16I
00:14:21Take it
00:14:45You
00:14:52Yogurt yogurt yogurt yogurt Swanson's yogurt. It's delight fully
00:15:03Look who it is
00:15:05You took my yogurt Laurel. I know it was you and it was delightfully
00:15:09delicious
00:15:12Delightfully
00:15:15He's going over his time again, huh?
00:15:18I'm sure he's just finishing up. Oh, don't worry. Love. I'm looking up now the place will be all yours in just a moment
00:15:26Nigel I paid for a private studio starting at 9 p.m. I have a very important show tonight
00:15:32Yeah, that reminds me the time me and Ronnie Wood. We're in a bowling alley in New Jersey. Well, it's all yours your majesty
00:15:39Oh, really?
00:15:41Do you see that? I don't know how you do it. I don't know how you put up with that woman. Ah
00:15:46It's too much. Why?
00:15:49It wasn't New Jersey
00:15:52And I wasn't Ronnie Wood
00:15:54Whoa, it says here that we shouldn't be using seed oils. Apparently they're terrible for you. What?
00:16:02Thought they were supposed to be good for you used to be I guess and now they're not inflammatory to the gut or something. Oh
00:16:10Come on
00:16:12Something's falling apart
00:16:15Okay, I
00:16:17Don't want you to freak out, but we may have an mo usc. Oh, no, no, no
00:16:23No, no, no, no, no, no, don't you?
00:16:27Calm down. It's gonna be fine. No, it's not gonna be fine
00:16:32Let's just get some sleep and we'll deal with the mouse situation tomorrow
00:16:39Nobody's sleeping tonight
00:16:43Nobody
00:16:52Testing testing one two three testing testing one two
00:17:01Welcome to another episode of whodunit, I'm Laurel st. James on this the final episode of whodunit
00:17:09You're gonna hear the true story of the Rocksdale killer
00:17:13We are gonna dive into the lives of the three victims
00:17:17Monica Ganey Caroline Olmsted and
00:17:20Alexandra Kolesnikoff
00:17:22Innocent young women gunned down in the prime of their lives. You see fate was a cruel master
00:17:29for the victims of these
00:17:31senseless crimes
00:17:33This episode is like no other as I will finally reveal the truth behind the Rocksdale killer
00:18:03You
00:18:14What do we have we're in chief
00:18:17Female 54 years old ID in the victim's purse. Her name is Laurel st
00:18:21James coroner's on the way, but cause of death looks to be a fatal gunshot wound from the bullet in the chair
00:18:26That's definitely Laurel keep this one close it's gonna be press you find the body
00:18:34Yeah, it's the manager Nigel Plumlee he closed up after nine o'clock last night she was here alone
00:18:40He was first on the scene at 630 this morning any security cameras. Yep, but they don't work broke last year
00:18:47We're never fixed. However, we find this
00:18:51TRK
00:18:54TRK
00:18:56Rocksdale killer now, he's back. Let's hope not
00:18:59Get the manager and everyone else who had access to the studio in for an interview
00:19:04sir
00:19:11Hello, good morning sleepyhead. Let me know what you think
00:19:16Not bad, thank you. Well, I learned from the best
00:19:21Hey, you wouldn't happen to have my car keys. Would you? Yep there in my jacket. Thank you
00:19:30It was huge, oh, I'd be red eyes and claws. Okay, just calm down babe. Take a deep breath. I'll go check it out. Okay?
00:19:39Be careful those things have the plague. Mm-hmm
00:19:41Well, I didn't find it but I did find these I will not have a repeat of the camp when a bazooka sleeping bag incident of
00:19:481992 birdie, I will not I know I know babe. Don't worry. I'm gonna call the exterminator
00:19:52I need to buy some duct tape some netting some chicken wire
00:19:56Possibly a harpoon. Yes. I think we might have a mouse in the house. Oh, yeah
00:20:00Wait a minute. I'm talking crazy. I already have duct tape. I'm gonna call the exterminator
00:20:05I'm gonna call the exterminator. I need to buy some duct tape some netting some chicken wire
00:20:09Crazy I already have duct tape. Good morning. We begin with breaking news
00:20:14I'm outside the studio 45 podcast studio where we're hearing reports of a homicide happening here late last night
00:20:21My sources are telling me that the victim is famed true crime author and podcaster Laurel st. James
00:20:27You may remember that Laurel st
00:20:29James rocketed to fame with her reporting on the Rocksdale killer who allegedly killed three young women in the Boston area in the
00:20:37Early 1990s and that person has remained at large ever since. Hey, are you seeing what I'm seeing? Yeah, this is crazy
00:20:44You should check in with Kristen. Yeah. Yeah, I will. I cannot believe that Laurel st. James is dead
00:20:48Oh has the exterminator gotten there yet? What?
00:20:52Need an exterminator. I'm literally fixing the problem as we speak Alden. He'll be there any minute. Okay, please let him help
00:20:58I gotta go birdie
00:21:08Sup, bro
00:21:10Your wife called about helping you out with a mouse. Yeah, we're good, bro. We got it covered
00:21:16Well, she said it was an emergency
00:21:19Mentioned you were threatening to burn the house down
00:21:23Crazy I gotta burn the house down. You can burn the house down that bud
00:21:30He's not gonna burn the house down
00:21:32Would that work though?
00:21:34She's gonna
00:21:35Leave you my card just in case
00:21:40This is my house and I'll protect it
00:21:47Crazy day
00:21:49Laurel st. James is dead. Wow. I know who Laurel st. James is that's big news. Yeah
00:21:57Something else is bothering you we have a mouse in the house
00:22:00Oh no
00:22:01And with Alden's experience at summer camp where the mouse climbed into a sleeping bag and the zipper got stuck and he and the mouse
00:22:06Couldn't get out. Yeah, so Alden is completely freaking out
00:22:10So I called the exterminator and now he's saying that he doesn't want the help but I thought you two were back on track
00:22:15we are no we are it's just
00:22:18he gets so easily distracted and
00:22:22Sometimes I feel like he isn't listening. Well
00:22:26Sometimes listening is a two-way street
00:22:31Well
00:22:34It all started years ago
00:22:36So me and McFleet would have just rendered tendon bicycles
00:22:39We were about to go Dutch on a baguette and jam when suddenly we realized wait stop just
00:22:46Walk me through what happened first. You got to understand that Mick was more of a chutney guy. All right, what's chutney?
00:22:54She took my yogurt she took your what it was delightfully delicious. Why are you talking like that?
00:23:00My podcast is called fire breath. F. Why are we cover a variety of topics?
00:23:06But mainly it's a beacon of light and truth for my listeners. And did you know Laurel? Yeah, I knew the vessel called
00:23:16It's gonna take long I'm told you also have a true crime podcast
00:23:19Was there any competition between you and Laurel no, no, he shouldn't be looking at me
00:23:23You should be looking at well the TRK, but this could be the work of the Pittsburgh Strangler or AJ Shockman
00:23:28I mean we can have another blueprint killer situation on our hands. What?
00:23:32According to the synopsis of our current timeline, there are multiple outcomes all dependent on each particular dimension
00:23:41We're good here
00:23:44Enjoy your dimension
00:23:47Any
00:23:48Luck deciphering any of that. It's like they're speaking in a different language. I didn't get any of it. You neither
00:23:54I think we're gonna need some help. This case has already become front page news. I got reporters hounding me for updates
00:24:01Okay, so what are you thinking? We have a little money in the budget to hire a consultant
00:24:05You need to find someone who speaks their language speaks their language. Did you listen to that?
00:24:12That's like a new dimension of nerd speak. I don't know anybody
00:24:16That would understand
00:24:19No, no
00:24:33There you go
00:24:38Remind me again what the tinfoil is for. I thought it was obvious so we could track the mouse and here's little footsteps
00:24:45Babe, all of this tinfoil is interfering with the Wi-Fi. Oh
00:24:51Come on what what happened nothing nothing nothing just um, my mom
00:24:56Sent me a redline document that I thought I was done with
00:25:00Oh, I don't know how you can think about work at a time like this. The house is under siege
00:25:04I'm not the one who didn't let the exterminator help. That is his job all that and you know
00:25:08You didn't have to call him behind my back
00:25:11You were literally in the room
00:25:14You just weren't listening
00:25:17I've no idea who that could be. Oh, maybe the mouse ordered takeout
00:25:26Listen
00:25:27We're a little understaffed with the Laurel case and you need our help. I already regret this
00:25:34Are we on the case?
00:25:36Yes
00:25:37You're on the case
00:25:43We're on the case
00:25:48All right, here's everything on the Rocksteel killer
00:25:50Well, we didn't start digitizing files to the 2000s Rocksteel's in the 90s. So we only have hard copies. Oh
00:25:56It's actually not a lot here. No, that's what we got
00:25:59And there's this it says all the audio files from Laurel studio outtakes episodes even a murder
00:26:05There is a lot on here. Nice. Nope
00:26:09While we think there may be a connection to the Rocksteel killer
00:26:13We still need to check out other suspects, which more importantly brings us to why we're asking you to help with the case
00:26:20We need your help interviewing potential suspects. Why would you need our help with that? Well, the interviewees are little how do I put this?
00:26:28Challenging so meet me at the station tomorrow at 9 a.m
00:26:30Do you really think that the Rocksteel killer could be back after all these years? I don't know but
00:26:36We're gonna find out
00:26:39Okay, so here are the first three victims of the Rocksteel killer we have number one Caroline Olmstead number two
00:26:47Monica Ganey number three
00:26:51Alexandra Kolesnikova and our current victim all say dates. Yep
00:26:59We're doing purple string now, you know, I buy whatever's on sale this week it was purple and I think it looks
00:27:06Fantastic fair enough, okay
00:27:09So between Laurel's podcast and her newspaper clippings and her book
00:27:15Laurel created a bit of a cottage industry around the Rocksteel killer, but did she scare him out of retirement scissors?
00:27:22well
00:27:23the note at the crime scene says
00:27:27silence speaks louder than words
00:27:29So
00:27:31Maybe she was getting too close to identifying the killer. That would be enough motive to come out of retirement to shut her up
00:27:38It's just so weird. I cannot find notes from the first three victims. I don't know
00:27:44All right
00:27:47Whoa
00:27:49What's going on with the kids?
00:27:50Well, it's kind of a two-pronged approach. You see the mouse runs into the cans gets disoriented and then straight into the trap and snap
00:27:57I said it was some pecorino. I mean, it's his last meal. I wanted to be good, right?
00:28:02I see that you have a very clear vision with this, but I need your brain here, babe
00:28:08This is a big deal. We have to get familiar with these files so that we are ready for our interviews tomorrow
00:28:14We get to be detectives like the ones on TV
00:28:18Yeah
00:28:19You're right, of course. Okay
00:28:22Okay, so
00:28:24She took my yogurt it was delightfully delicious, but it isn't delightfully delicious is it well
00:28:33I've tried
00:28:35Said yogurt before and let me tell you it's it's pretty terrible. So Pat
00:28:43What's really going on?
00:28:45Yeah
00:28:48She's mean
00:28:50She's a bully
00:28:52She creates this toxic work environment and I don't like it but but but I didn't kill her. I swear
00:28:57Don't tell anyone. Please. Don't tell anyone
00:29:00It's hard for me to describe where I was because time and space are not absolute
00:29:05One's perception of time is different than another person's you can have multiple variations of the same instance
00:29:12Are you talking about time dilation very perceptive you watch a lot of Titans Odyssey? I never miss an episode
00:29:20Oh, man
00:29:26Yes, I says to Stevie Nicks I says I know what everyone's saying I trust me just gonna lead into the scarf
00:29:38So, so where were you two nights ago between 9 and 10 p.m. I was at home with mother
00:29:45And she could vouch for that
00:29:48Mother's me cat. I
00:29:51Know you don't I I swear classes
00:29:57The energy between you two is out of harmony
00:30:01You both are speaking, but no one is listening to each other
00:30:06You and Laurel often recorded your podcasts on the same days
00:30:10I heard that you two didn't really get along. Did you ever exchange more than words?
00:30:17I could not bring physical harm to any creature on this realm or the other
00:30:23Well order on town as you have quite the temper. Maybe you're not as zen as you'd like to come across
00:30:29In fact, some people describe you as phony
00:30:33That's malicious gossip
00:30:36You you want to search my my things? Huh? My my sacred space?
00:30:42I
00:30:44Think we're good for today. This has been great
00:30:47That's it for now. Thank you so much
00:30:58Aside from TRK it could be the Kojak killer and I will say this again
00:31:03The blueprint killer is a real possibility here
00:31:05Well, only problem with that is authorities believe the Kojak killer died in 1972 in the blueprint killer
00:31:11That's so 2010
00:31:14Uh, let me ask you something now if someone wanted to harm
00:31:20Laurel, who would that be? Definitely the Rocksdale killer and possibly her ex-husband ex-husband
00:31:28Peter st. James
00:31:30Laurel mentioned that she and her ex had a very contentious divorce
00:31:33And she said that he was the bane of her existence on the record. So it just for our records
00:31:39Where were you that night between 9 and 10 p.m. At home?
00:31:43Planning for my next show nothing special. Can we corroborate that? No, I live alone
00:31:48Okay, you know what? We're gonna leave it there for now. Thank you for your help Katie. Mm-hmm
00:31:54By the way, I'm a big fan of you two
00:31:57I'm actually doing a podcast episode tomorrow on my show on your last case lean McGinnis
00:32:01Would you guys want to come by the studio for an interview?
00:32:04Yeah
00:32:05Well, so long as we only talk about the lean McGinnis case and not this one deal
00:32:12Oh
00:32:17Don't touch that
00:32:21No, here it is
00:32:23Okay, Peter st. James looks like Laurel filed a restraining order during the divorce
00:32:29recipe trespassing
00:32:31And a couple other minor things. Well, that's not good. Look he's even in the right age range to be the Rocksdale killer
00:32:38What if Laurel was sleeping with the enemy?
00:32:42Oh, that's juicy
00:32:44Okay, I'm gonna go check this guy out. Yeah with us. No not with you
00:32:47What is with you guys a personal space or not some crime-fighting team?
00:32:50That's gonna form an unlikely friendship and somehow become better people because of it, right?
00:32:56Tom
00:33:00We could be helpful, okay, I mean we do speak the language of the people
00:33:07Fine you can come meet me there at 3. I'll text you the address
00:33:11Do not go in without me understood understood. That's not funny. It's a little funny
00:33:18Okay, yeah, so I think this is it
00:33:20Peter st. James. Yeah. Okay, so I'm gonna ask him about the restraining order and the trespassing sounds good, babe
00:33:26How's it look you never miss an opportunity never?
00:33:32Your quotes is late, yeah
00:33:34Well, we're just gonna wait here like we said we would exactly we should look around go through his trash get to know the guy
00:33:39That sounds like a terrible idea on it. Hold it. Hold it. No
00:33:45Simply that's a single. Yes. No, we told him that we would wait for him. Hold it
00:33:53We have to go back come on hold it all then let's roll out
00:34:01Alden we should not be doing this just keep it hot going through people's trash. It's a lot warmer inside
00:34:08Come on I made snooker doodles
00:34:14After you honey
00:34:20Hmm
00:34:22Hmm
00:34:24What's that?
00:34:26Surprise is taking y'all so long to get here. What's up?
00:34:29I'm next I'm suspect numero uno. Did you kill her?
00:34:34Right for the jugular, it's my kind of man. No, I did not
00:34:45Hola amigo cookies
00:34:57No, I'm good, thanks, what's your arm?
00:35:01so
00:35:03What I miss well, I'm not shocked about Laurel's murder and I get why you're asking I have more than enough motive
00:35:11But Laurel she took everything away from me
00:35:14Your divorce did seem quite contentious the way Laurel painted me made me sound like a monster
00:35:19But most of it wasn't even true Laurel. She had a gift of storytelling and the restraining order
00:35:24She threw me out of the bus. That's what she does
00:35:27Just ask Maxwell Kovac. Who's Maxwell Kovac? Well, it sounds like you need to do a little more research
00:35:33Funny things though, you know a few weeks ago
00:35:36She came by and she apologized. What did she apologize for? No the end of our marriage
00:35:41Blind ambitions how she made up things about me and where were you the night? She was killed book club
00:35:47We're reading like water for chocolate. This is an incredible story. Oh come on. What about a chocolate?
00:35:52Oh, what a love story the love between Tita and Pedro, but the betrayal I know
00:35:57When he has to go she tried to get me to read the book
00:35:59You know, well we are gonna come over for a baking class. Oh, yes those cookies divine
00:36:09What a great guy did I or did I not tell you to wait for me
00:36:14Well, he invited us in actually. Okay, the thing you're not getting is I'm responsible for your safety
00:36:20And I can't protect you if you don't listen to me. I know I know we're sorry. It will not happen again
00:36:25Yeah, Paul Simon. It's not you. I'm worried about it's Garfunkel here
00:36:28All right. I don't think we need the name-calling. Just come on
00:36:33I'm sorry
00:36:34Won't happen again. Okay, I'll look into his alibi
00:36:37You guys look into Maxwell Kovac, but I think it's safe to say that Peters not a guy sounds like a plan
00:36:44He'll get there yeah, all right those cookies unbelievable
00:36:54I'm coming for you
00:36:58Oh
00:37:13Don't even think about going all in I got you beat
00:37:16big bird baby bird
00:37:18Anything on Kovacs?
00:37:19No, no, not yet
00:37:22any mouth sightings
00:37:29You know what? Yeah. Yeah, I think I heard something by the couch on it
00:37:38I'll get him babe. You can trust me
00:37:43I
00:37:57Have to tell you something
00:37:59Okay
00:38:00I've been playing poker online a lot for a while and I've been hiding it from you and the story I kept telling myself
00:38:07Was that this was just for fun and that the secret wasn't a big deal
00:38:10But any secret between us is a big deal
00:38:13Why don't you just tell me because I don't want you to judge me for playing poker birdie. I
00:38:19Am the last person in the world
00:38:22In a position to judge someone for their extracurricular activities. I love you for your
00:38:28weird
00:38:29In the same way that you love me for mine
00:38:33We are all or nothing
00:38:36And I am all in with you
00:38:39No more secrets though, no more secrets
00:38:44Well, there is one more thing, okay
00:38:48I'm really good at poker like how good like I turned a hundred bucks into twenty eight thousand nine hundred eighty three dollars and
00:38:56Sixteen cents and I have a reputation online for being a ruthless shark. There are
00:39:00chat rooms
00:39:02dedicated to people complaining about
00:39:04How good I am
00:39:06Do we need to plan a trip to Vegas? I can see a poker themed adventure in our future
00:39:11Should we get back to work? Yeah. Yeah, we really should
00:39:14So listen, I started going through Laurel's audio files. Okay, okay far a big old snooze vest. Really?
00:39:21Yeah, nothing at all here. Listen to this
00:39:25These crackers taste a little stale. Oh, you weren't kidding. Yeah
00:39:30No, there's a yogurt all over the place didn't mean to know that and that's why I don't
00:39:38He really gave us the raw files
00:39:40Yeah, you see fate was a cruel master for the victims of these senseless crimes
00:39:46This episode is like no other as I will finally reveal the truth behind the Rocksteel killer
00:40:00That's huge that is huge she knew who the Rocksteel killer was
00:40:04I mean, it's certainly possible that she could have been killed for what she knew. I just wish we could hear better
00:40:10These speakers are terrible. Let me work on it. Okay? Well, you know what in the meantime we can start putting people up on the
00:40:17Board, right? Yeah, so I think we can both agree that Winteris has definitely earned her spot on the board hard
00:40:23Yes, right. She and Laurel were known to dislike each other
00:40:27Babe what is this? Oh
00:40:29Okay, next up we have pet
00:40:34The voiceover artiste delightfully suspicious Katie Hiller the other true crime podcaster. She should definitely go up there, too
00:40:41Yeah, I mean she's too young to be TRK, but it doesn't mean she didn't kill Laurel could be a copycat
00:40:46Exactly. Oh and let us not forget the ever-present studio manager Nigel
00:40:51How old do we think this picture is well before color photos were a thing
00:40:57So Nigel found the body and he was the last person to see Laurel alive super suspicious
00:41:03So what do we think about sci-fi guy?
00:41:06Yeah
00:41:08Such a sweetheart. I know
00:41:10Besides car regions are notorious passivists. Hmm. I may catch an episode of Titans Odyssey from time to time. Okay
00:41:19All righty got ourselves a board got ourselves a board
00:41:28Come on
00:41:31Come on I
00:41:34Think you left something in the conference room. Oh
00:41:38That's very good deduction mom. I mean
00:41:41Eleanor I gotta say you and Alden on the hunt for the Rocksteel killer is exciting
00:41:47Do you really think you can catch him? I don't know
00:41:50It's just such an old case that I still don't feel like we have the whole story
00:41:56Well, you've got to work with what's in front of you step by step. I know perseverance has always opened doors for me
00:42:04You'll get there
00:42:10Perseverance
00:42:13You got this
00:42:15And tonight was no new information on the possible return of the Rocksteel killer
00:42:20Authorities are asking the public to remain calm, but vigilant. Okay, so she said studio one
00:42:26This is so cool. I mean, we're basically celebrities now. Well, I mean we're doing one podcast. Oh
00:42:32I'm a little nervous. Oh, you got this babe. Remember I am always on your team. Okay
00:42:37Okay
00:42:41Katie hello. She did say to meet her right? Studio one
00:42:50Something doesn't feel right. What do you mean? Oh, no, it's like you're really quiet
00:43:01I was trying to grab you, I couldn't get away. Who was? The killer, the Rocksteel killer
00:43:08You
00:43:13You're safe now, it's gonna be okay. Sounds scary. Okay, Katie
00:43:18Let's just start with the basics
00:43:21What do you remember seeing? Well
00:43:23He was tall I'd say around six feet
00:43:28He was wearing a hoodie, but I could see he had brown eyes
00:43:31He had a low voice, but it wasn't suspiciously low. It was like average low
00:43:36What's average low? Stop talking
00:43:39What's average low? Keep it locked to WNK channel 6 your source for breaking news and we will bring you that update live. Travis?
00:43:49Excuse me. I'm so sorry to bother you. I noticed that you have a dashcam on your truck
00:43:55Yeah
00:43:56Could I ask you for a huge favor? Yeah, what's up?
00:44:01Okay, you sure you're all right
00:44:04Okay, tell you what when you go home get some rest come to the station in the morning
00:44:07We'll have you work with the sketchers. All right, Tom. Do you mind if I have a quick private chat with Katie, please?
00:44:11Well, absolutely
00:44:13Take her away
00:44:16Okay, great
00:44:18I
00:44:27Know you didn't see the Rocksdale killer. I did see him. He was right here. He grabbed me
00:44:34I didn't know what to do. Then he ran when he heard you come in
00:44:38Okay
00:44:40We can rewind it from right here
00:44:43That's Nigel leaving
00:44:47Nobody entered or left the building in the 30 minutes before we arrived or the 15 minutes after I swear I saw
00:44:54him Katie, I'm an attorney and a
00:44:57Very good poker player. I know when someone is lying
00:45:01Well, you have no idea how competitive it is. There are so many true crime podcasts
00:45:06It's like sometimes I feel like I would do anything to be a part of a true crime podcast
00:45:10I feel like I would do anything to be successful
00:45:14Look, let me tell you that success at all costs and
00:45:20Keeping things from your husband who is now completely obsessed with catching a mouse even though he's the most adorable person you will ever meet is
00:45:27Never worth it
00:45:30How do I get out of this we tell the truth together?
00:45:34Okay
00:45:38Let's go
00:45:40Oh
00:46:11What is this thing it's ground-penetrating radar I
00:46:15Have to protect our castle. That's why I turned away the exterminator. Okay, I cannot believe that I'm saying this
00:46:20But I think Winterus is right. We are not in harmony
00:46:24Oh, come on, you're gonna believe that wingnut says the guy with a ground-penetrating radar machine at 6 in the morning
00:46:30Well, how else am I supposed to see into the floors? What?
00:46:37Birdie
00:46:38If we want to catch this mouse
00:46:41We have to up our game
00:46:45Okay
00:46:46you know what I I
00:46:49Said I was all in
00:46:51so I
00:46:53Guess I have to be all in
00:46:57with this to
00:46:59Birdie case
00:47:00Coming to the dark side. We have not been listening to each other, but we are gonna start right now and
00:47:07If we are going to catch
00:47:09Said mouse we are going to do it together
00:47:17Case style
00:47:19Okay
00:47:37Birdie oh, okay. So new plan. These are humane. Nobody has to die in our watch pellets pellets
00:47:44So
00:47:47It's a trap well not so much a trap more like we're trying to contain him so then we can liberate him
00:47:55amongst his own peeps
00:47:57Okay, I think I can get on board with this
00:48:01and now
00:48:03We just wait and see
00:48:05In the meantime, I have something to show you
00:48:09Really?
00:48:11Okay, okay to the desk, okay and have a seat right
00:48:23That is so impressive
00:48:25I traded some root beer to a roadie for Aerosmith a minute to swap me because I was actually a really big deal
00:48:29That sounds on brand. So you got me thinking when you said that we hadn't been listening to each other and I realized
00:48:37That we hadn't been listening to the recording of Laurel's murder, I mean sure we've been hearing it but we hadn't been listening
00:48:49This episode is like no other as I will finally reveal the truth behind the Rocksdale killer
00:48:56Did you hear that noise the thing did it right before the footstep? Yeah, it was like a like a squeak
00:49:01It was more like a like a wheeze
00:49:03Who do we know that wheezes?
00:49:07Perhaps a certain podcaster who carries an inhaler
00:49:11Wintry's
00:49:14You know what this means
00:49:16Allergies, he's a wheezer. He's a wheezer. He's a wheezer. He's a wheezer
00:49:20He's a wheezer. He's a wheezer. He's a wheezer
00:49:22You know what this means it's allergy season we're gonna have to do some yoga
00:49:45Hey
00:49:48I told you to dress accordingly
00:49:51This isn't the semi-finals at Wimbledon in 1978. You said hot yoga. Well, you got thighs like this the people want to see them
00:49:57Wait, you don't take your shoes
00:50:00Hi, I'm keeping the socks on. Okay, fine. Just please don't get hurt
00:50:04Okay, it's gonna get really hot in here and you can slip. I mean yoga could get dangerous
00:50:09It's stretching. I think I'm gonna be okay. Oh
00:50:15Babe babe, here she is
00:50:21Find your center and now let's flow
00:50:39Babe are you okay? Yeah beautiful and release
00:50:45Oh, we will now go into flow and get into the garland pose
00:51:01You can't be serious right now
00:51:04You tell them again to fix it don't care have been printed again
00:51:12It's the point of paying people when I have to do it all myself
00:51:27Fire is f y
00:51:29Are
00:51:41May the healing light of the white fire be with you
00:51:46Babe are you okay? You're gonna surprisingly dangerous. I
00:51:50I
00:51:52Mean she's got serious rage issues and her wheeze sounds just like that hissy squeaky sound on the recording like
00:52:02Yeah, we heard it on the tape just after Laurel's murder, but I think it's more like a squeak wheeze like oh
00:52:08Yeah, yeah, I know that's good that's good, but it's a little bit more Fleming right it was like
00:52:12Oh
00:52:19Whatever that is, thank you. It wasn't Wintryce
00:52:23What?
00:52:25How those aren't for you?
00:52:28Wintryce was in the hospital with an asthma attack doctors and security footage corroborate her story
00:52:33Suppose that does sound like a pretty airtight alibi and could go back to you guys doing a yoga class on police business
00:52:39It's just kind of funny because I thought I asked you to sift through the audio outtakes I
00:52:43Need you to to listen to me. Yes, sir, Tom Tom
00:52:49What are those Laurel's mail, I mean you guys have so much time on your hands feel free
00:52:55No
00:52:56And why are your legs so pale?
00:52:58At least I'm not sitting around a desk all day. Where's that you think I do, huh?
00:53:03Talk about your hunches or why things don't add up tell people. Oh look into that
00:53:08I'll say that so Wintryce is out. Where we at with Maxwell Kovac
00:53:13We might have got a little distracted with the Wintryce theory
00:53:16Yeah, but you know what?
00:53:17I am going to look at Laurel's previous articles to see if she mentioned him right when we leave here. Okay, and
00:53:24Since you're here
00:53:26Look at this
00:53:27Medical examiner report for Laurel's death gunshot wound. She had stage four adenocarcinoma
00:53:33And her pancreas and lungs. Yeah, so if the gunshot doesn't get her
00:53:37The cancer does in the next two three months
00:53:40Well, that might explain the spiritual awakening that Peter mentioned. Oh that reminds me
00:53:45Can you see if your records have any mention of the Rocksteel killer leaving notes behind for some reason?
00:53:50I cannot find any mention of them in the victim files. Sure thing. I'll look into that. Aha
00:53:55So you do say that?
00:53:58We'll see ourselves out. I had a hunch
00:54:01Well
00:54:04Well, I guess we can take Wintryce off the board
00:54:09Okay, I've assembled the brain trust
00:54:12gentlemen and lady
00:54:13Where do we start? Maxwell Kovac. Okay, I'll start in the past you start in the present where I left off the other night
00:54:20Where does he live? Where does he work? Where does he eat?
00:54:21And I will see what Laurel said about him in her articles. Come on, how many Maxwell Kovacs can there be?
00:54:28It's not that common a name, is it?
00:54:30Here's something in one of Laurel's early articles about the Rocksteel killer. She talks about the mayor
00:54:36assembling a task force to investigate
00:54:38The mayor said we understand the public's fear and are taking this case very seriously
00:54:44Well, nothing scares the public more than a serial killer on the loose. Nope
00:54:49And here's something else a few weeks after that Laurel wrote another article about missing evidence
00:54:55She says that officer Kovac botched the investigation she calls him out by name
00:55:00You guys hearing this the plot thickens
00:55:04Okay, so a few weeks after that
00:55:06Officer Maxwell Kovac is let go from the police department
00:55:11Well, I'd say that's a pretty good reason for someone to hold a grudge against Laurel that goes
00:55:17Yep
00:55:20Welcome to the murder board officer Kovac. Okay. Boom. Here we go. Got it
00:55:25Maxwell Kovac. All right, there's three of them in our area, but only one of them fits the age range and he lives
00:55:32the Hampton Hills
00:55:34Assisted living a community to live your fullest life. Check out the events calendar
00:55:40Sit and stretch with Brittany party on salsa dancing with Vanessa Ramos
00:55:46I have an idea
00:55:52Bingo
00:55:54Hi, Vanessa. Yeah, this is Cara Macomba. I'm the assistant activities director here at Hampton Hills
00:56:01Unfortunately, we're gonna have to cancel salsa class tomorrow. Mm-hmm due to a leak on the dance floor
00:56:07I know I'm so sorry about that. Okay. Goodbye, dear
00:56:12Okay, I have no idea what you're cooking out. I am
00:56:14Loving it. Oh, you just wait
00:56:19Hi, yes, this is Vanessa Ramos
00:56:21Unfortunately, I'm not gonna be able to come and teach salsa class tomorrow, but I do have a replacement. Yep
00:56:27Yeah. Yeah. She's a wonderful teacher. She actually teaches with her husband
00:56:31Yes, their names are Bertie and Alden case great. Sounds good. They'll be there. Bye. Bye
00:56:39Time to put on your dancing shoes
00:56:42Hola amigos buenas tardes. We are here to teach the salsa class
00:56:51So who is ready to dance?
00:56:54Oh, yeah
00:56:58Yes, okay. Now we start by picking a partner
00:57:02Very good. Very good. Let's start with the partner. Okay. Let's start with the partner
00:57:09By picking a partner
00:57:12Now we'll start with basic step just we go slow big follower they go
00:57:17Right left together. Muy bien left right together. Very good right left together
00:57:24You're doing pretty good left together. Hey, we go a little faster. Okay, but only a little faster and remember to swivel the hips
00:57:31Because salsa is all about the hips. A lot of swivels. Now you must feel
00:57:36The music yes, you must feel
00:57:40You want to feel the soul yes, everybody feeling it
00:57:47Okay, sometimes we dance a solo she's very passionate
00:57:55I might have gotten carried away. I gotta get out of here, right? So what do we do?
00:58:05That's right
00:58:13Oh, this is so fun, oh my yes, keep it going keep it going. Don't worry. Yes and feel it
00:58:25Okay
00:58:36Where did you learn to dance like that my high school spirit dance team
00:58:41Oh, here we go. Okay
00:58:44All right, so it should be this floor
00:58:51There
00:59:00Maxwell kovac
00:59:02Is it halloween already
00:59:04Actually, we're investigating the murder of laurel st. James. We were hoping we could ask you a few questions
00:59:09Come in
00:59:11Sit down
00:59:15I hope you guys catch whoever killed her. Oh, yeah, why is that so I can thank him
00:59:20Woman ruined my life. Was it you?
00:59:23I don't get around much anymore
00:59:26Well, if you didn't kill her, what do you think happened to her I think she got what was coming to her
00:59:30Lifetime of stoke in the flames of fear and murder
00:59:33Responded to her out badly. You think the rocksteel killer is back? I think you guys are chasing a ghost. So you're saying
00:59:40The evidence doesn't match the narrative the rocksteel case. It never did
00:59:44It was a series of murders that we were investigating that was going cold next thing. You know, there's a
00:59:50An article in the paper about some serial killer being on the loose written by laurel
00:59:55So wait you're saying
00:59:57That laurel was the first person to say that this was the work of a serial killer and not the police
01:00:02Bingo, we only investigated those murders being linked because of her articles
01:00:06Seemed like laurel knew everything about the murders
01:00:10and then some
01:00:12Claimed she had some anonymous sources
01:00:15So I reached out to her to ask her for some help getting off the record and I was so naive next thing, you know
01:00:21Evidence goes missing. She's published an article saying that we bungled the investigation
01:00:26Wait, you're saying laurel stole evidence. I couldn't prove it
01:00:31But now I know she stole. How do you know that because she came here two weeks ago to apologize for it apologizing
01:00:37She made some big
01:00:39Song and dance about how she wanted to make amends
01:00:42What do you think she did with the evidence? I guess as good as mine
01:00:51Hmm
01:00:57Babe do you want turkey or ham both, please? Of course
01:01:04I don't
01:01:05Still no mouse. Oh, just give him time time to chew his way through everything I own
01:01:15Oh, come on
01:01:18Like the crossword, oh cinnamon buns my slippers the crossword, you know, it's starting to feel personal at this point
01:01:32And why are your legs so pale at least we do something other than sit around a desk all day
01:01:37Where does it you think I do?
01:01:39I don't know talk about hunches why things don't add up
01:01:45Hey
01:01:48I think our furry friend just gave us a tip
01:01:58This is like this always give me the creeps this makes sense
01:02:02Of course, laura would have hidden evidence outside of her own home 19. Here we are
01:02:08Ah, I should have grabbed the bolt cutters remind me to add those to the pi car kit
01:02:12We have a pi car kit. No, it's mostly just snacks at this point, which reminds me I have to replenish the snacks
01:02:18I got this one
01:02:20Mama's got a new bag of tricks. Whoa
01:02:23Who are you?
01:02:26Okay, so this looks like a job for the rake pick
01:02:31All I gotta do
01:02:33Is rake it
01:02:36This I have never been more attracted to you than I am at this very moment
01:02:40I think one of us should know how to pick locks. Don't you think absolutely clearly you got it covered
01:02:48It worked, okay, let's see what we got
01:02:59Whoa, I thought our basement was messy
01:03:05Lampshade anyone? Oh, i'll take two. What do we got in here? Oh
01:03:12Babe yeah, what do you think?
01:03:14Is this my style? Cute
01:03:17How about this
01:03:18Should I bring this to your office party next year? Oh, yes. They really bring out your eyes. Are you flirting with me? Maybe
01:03:28Babe
01:03:30boxes
01:03:32Yes, good call
01:03:34Okay, we have personal personal personal
01:03:40No way babe, could this be it? Uh, yes, please
01:03:47Oh
01:03:50Did not go according to plan what was the plan? I don't know they do it in movies all the time. It looks cool
01:03:55Okay, so we got fingerprints
01:03:59Cigarette butts
01:04:01pink scarf
01:04:03and
01:04:04Nail clippings wait, none of this was in the case files
01:04:08laurel definitely stole this evidence
01:04:11They couldn't run dna on any of this because laurel completely halted the investigations we have to get all this to tom
01:04:22What was that
01:04:24All day
01:04:26Someone's here. You ready to run? Uh, yeah, I mean i'm in heels so I can't really go that fast. Go go. Okay. Got it
01:04:32Got it. Okay, michael michael. I'll be on lookout
01:04:35Okay, coast is clear
01:04:37Good
01:04:39Okay
01:04:46Just another date night wouldn't miss it for the world
01:04:56Well, you guys did the right thing bringing the evidence to me
01:04:59It's crazy. The storage unit was unlocked. Wow. Yeah, crazy. What are the chances? Yeah, what are the chances?
01:05:05Anyway, we'll get this to the lab and check it for dna if there's a match we'll find out asap
01:05:09Okay, so this dna is like 30 years old. Is it still usable?
01:05:12Oh, yeah, even with trace amounts of dna we can track people through their family fingers crossed. You know what?
01:05:18We've been going back through all the trk files
01:05:20There's absolutely nothing that links these cases aside from all homicides happening near rochdale state park. Well benefits of fresh eyes on a cold case
01:05:28Thanks
01:05:29I went through the chain of evidence
01:05:31No notes were left at any of the crime scenes despite laurel's stories maxwell kovac was right there was never a serial killer so laurel
01:05:39Fabricated the rochdale killer
01:05:42How is it possible? She got away with it all this time?
01:05:44You tell a lie enough times people will believe it. Okay, but none of this answers who killed laurel
01:05:49Well, whoever did kill laurel certainly wants us to think it was a rochdale killer
01:05:53Okay, well
01:05:55throughout this investigation
01:05:57We have learned that laurel
01:06:00Didn't exactly have a lot of friends from the people at the podcast studio and maxwell kovac and her ex-husband laurel had a lot of enemies
01:06:08But who had enough motive to kill her?
01:06:10I'd say inventing a serial killer and perpetuating that lie for 30 years presents way bigger opportunities for motive than some vendetta about
01:06:17Stealing someone's yogurt. Yes. Yes, maybe her making up the rochdale killer is why she was murdered. That's an interesting theory
01:06:24But we still gotta prove it
01:06:27Oh guys if the rochdale killer is fake we gotta tell kristin
01:06:34Right
01:06:36Oh, it's not that kind of intruder
01:06:40I got this
01:06:43You're just gonna let her go alone. Absolutely. Yep
01:06:51What
01:06:57So
01:07:12Did we get it yeah, I I saw him he was
01:07:18Uh, well
01:07:19Yeah, babe. I saw him and he saw me it's horrifying right the claws the fangs
01:07:27No, no, he means us. No harm. I mean i'm not saying that he spoke to me, but
01:07:31I really feel like we have an understanding
01:07:34What?
01:07:36Yeah, okay on that note i'm gonna get going i'll see you guys in the morning
01:07:41This is not gonna be fun
01:07:45Hey tomorrow you just be the supportive boyfriend, okay, i'll handle the hard part and tell her okay
01:07:56Oh, that's right where the mouse was
01:08:04She made up the rochdale killer
01:08:07with the whole thing
01:08:09Well, the murders are real but they're not connected if laura was alive. She'd be charged with multiple felonies for
01:08:17competing investigation
01:08:19theft
01:08:21Did you know she was sick? No, I I had no idea
01:08:24Oh
01:08:25I'm gonna have to call my lawyer. I'm gonna have to print a retraction. I don't know how i'm gonna recover from this
01:08:32I can't believe that she would do this. She always said how much integrity was important to her
01:08:37and now I am
01:08:39I'm, so sorry. I think i'm gonna have to go work
01:08:42It's okay. You do what you gotta do. Call me if you need anything. Okay, hang in there. Thank you
01:08:47I'll check in with you later
01:08:54So
01:09:05You guys are gonna hate me
01:09:08Did you buy that harpoon? No
01:09:10well
01:09:12Technically you bought one
01:09:13I think we need to put kristin on the board. What? Whoa, dude. She was with us the night of the murder
01:09:18She was with us earlier that evening. I just I think we need to look into her more
01:09:21She potentially had motive if she knew about laurel's lie
01:09:24Okay, before we go down this road
01:09:26Have you two at least gone through the hard drive with all of her audio recordings from the studio some and I scrubbed through it
01:09:31Scrubbed through it. Well, it's like a million hours of her eating crackers and outtakes and stuff
01:09:35Okay, before I bring my girlfriend in for questioning you need to go through the audio with a fine-toothed comb
01:09:41No scrubbing. You're right and that is exactly what we're gonna do before we jump to conclusions
01:09:48Immediately. Okay
01:09:51So
01:09:56When police quested no
01:09:59When police questioned her neighbor
01:10:01Fauna, what am I talking about?
01:10:04The community muttered through no communities. Oh, thank you. I needed this so badly
01:10:10My ears are about to fall off. Well, if this thing doesn't catch that little vermin, I don't know what will by the way
01:10:17I appreciate your patience with my nerdiness
01:10:20All in rocksdale state park is a historic 72 acre park that is home to many varieties of wildlife and fauna
01:10:29Oh, you can put that right there
01:10:32Thanks katie
01:10:34Did you hear that? Oh, I heard it
01:10:36Wait, wait, what what was that sound play that again? Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep
01:10:41Oh, you can put that right there
01:10:44Okay, thanks katie that was it right I mean that that was a sound okay now now play the murder recording
01:10:52Okay
01:10:55You see fate was a cruel master
01:10:58for the victims of these
01:10:59senseless crimes
01:11:01This episode is like no other as I will finally reveal the truth
01:11:06behind the rocksdale killer
01:11:09So
01:11:12That was it I mean that's it that that's the same sound and she clearly identifies the killer she says katie it was katie
01:11:19It was katie. It was katie was right in front of us the whole time. It was katie. I I can't believe it
01:11:24We just solved laurel's murder
01:11:27Tom we gotta tell tom. Okay here call him send the audio file. Yeah, okay
01:11:34It's right here
01:11:39So
01:11:43Hi
01:11:46Why are you doing this to me we sent you an audio file we know who killed laurel
01:11:51Okay, all right
01:11:54Okay, i'm up. What do you got?
01:11:55Okay, you were right. We listened to hours and hours of outtakes and the raw footage from laurel's podcast
01:11:59And this is what we found. Yeah. Oh, you can put that right there
01:12:03Okay
01:12:05Thanks katie, that's the sound I know
01:12:08And she says thanks katie. I know
01:12:11It all makes sense katie had a weak alibi. She faked an attack and with laurel gone
01:12:16She would get to carry the rocksteel killer baton. Yeah, and laurel already proved it's a lucrative business
01:12:21I mean, is that enough motive to kill somebody? Oh, i've seen people killed for far less than a podcast like what?
01:12:26Not answering that
01:12:28well
01:12:29I can't believe i'm saying this but
01:12:31Great work you two
01:12:35Okay, so what now please throw on a swat vest roll out the cruiser
01:12:39I got a grappling hook. He hung up me. Yeah, I can see that
01:12:49Katie hiller
01:12:51You're under arrest for the murder of laurel. St. James. What that's crazy. I didn't kill laurel
01:12:56You have the right to remain silent anything you say can and will be held against you in the court of law
01:13:01this is
01:13:02This is crazy. I didn't
01:13:05We solved another one
01:13:08Yeah
01:13:09I don't know something doesn't feel right about this
01:13:12What do you mean?
01:13:14You heard the recording. She literally said katie katie had motive and katie had opportunity I guess
01:13:21Babe, don't guess it's like we learned in class. We have to follow the evidence. Okay, whatever
01:13:26Narrative you've convinced yourself of is not based on the hard facts and evidence
01:13:33You're right, you're right
01:13:35Probably just tired
01:13:37two for two
01:13:46To a closed case to catching a bad guy cheers
01:13:50I'm, actually still on the clock. So
01:13:53But I do have good news. Oh, it's about time we found dna on the three items you got from laurel storage unit
01:13:58We're running to codas right now. Oh, that's fantastic
01:14:01So now that laurel's murderer is behind bars
01:14:04What's next? Oh, we are still on another case
01:14:08Oh the goat cheese
01:14:10You're gonna love it. Wow
01:14:14Let me ask you something tom you ever uh, you ever wrap up a case still feel like
01:14:20something's bugging you yeah, but
01:14:22I've learned to take the win
01:14:24Hey
01:14:25You solved it
01:14:27katie's the killer
01:14:29Look, they always say they're innocent initially, right?
01:14:33Initially what?
01:14:37You just you said initially yeah initially initials
01:14:45Initials initials
01:14:53So
01:14:56It was you what
01:14:59It was kristin who killed laurel
01:15:02Whoa, dude, not cool, man. Yeah, this is not how we keep friends. I should have trusted my gut
01:15:06Why didn't I trust my gut my gut is always right except when it comes to dairy the audio clearly said katie
01:15:11No, no, she didn't say thank you katie. She said thank you
01:15:15kd as in kristin
01:15:18Duck burn. Okay. I saw the inscription that she wrote you in her book. She used your initials k d
01:15:27Babe she's got laurel st. James's book. Oh, it's signed nice
01:15:35You were with me at my house that night I
01:15:38I couldn't have done it. Yeah, we were but the murder didn't happen till later. We were long gone by then. Yeah
01:15:44Yeah, wait, wait, this makes sense
01:15:46You must have already known that laurel made up the rocksteel killer before we told you and if the truth came out
01:15:53Your business would be completely ruined and if laurel made amends with her ex-husband and that and that maxwell kovac guy
01:15:58She threw under the bus. I bet she also made amends to the one person. She screwed over
01:16:03you
01:16:06Honey, can you please tell them that they're being ridiculous?
01:16:10Actually, I want you to answer it. Yeah answer the question i'll ask the questions
01:16:14Oh like good god bad god. No, not like good
01:16:18You said it yourself
01:16:20laurel
01:16:21Was the one who lied she lied to me. She lied to everyone
01:16:25Hey, yeah, I I went to the studio one night to see her
01:16:29She told me that she had terminal cancer and she wanted to clear her conscience
01:16:34She was going to tell the truth on the last episode. I begged her not to but she didn't listen
01:16:40You
01:16:42Okay, calm down stop talking I didn't have a choice
01:16:48What about the the squeaky sound and the recording what was that what it was the keychain
01:16:55It was the rubber duck keychain that gave you away, you know getting inside without anybody seeing me. It was pretty easy
01:17:02I knew what laurel was gonna do, but I could not let her
01:17:05Completely destroy my family's legacy
01:17:08No, but then that stupid duck squeaked
01:17:14Whoa, whoa, how are you gonna explain shooting all three of us? Yeah, you might get two of us at best dude birdie
01:17:20Haven't you heard?
01:17:22There's a serial killer on the loose
01:17:24Whoa, hey, no, no, no shoot me shoot me shoot me
01:17:37Oh
01:17:39Yeah, well guess what honey
01:17:42You're under arrest for the murder
01:17:44Of laurel saint james. I thought we were friends. Shut up birdie. Okay
01:17:54I totally should have been valedictorian
01:17:58We still don't have any good couple friends, bye-bye ducky
01:18:03Hey
01:18:05I just wanted to say even though you two drive me nuts, you know, especially fair you did good
01:18:11so thank you
01:18:13and
01:18:14Who knows? Maybe we'll call you again
01:18:18Go
01:18:23I knew we'd get you there. So what's next for you? I think i'm gonna focus on work for a while
01:18:32You know
01:18:33You two were lucky you found each other sure
01:18:39So lucky
01:18:47Hold it
01:19:03So
01:19:14It worked
01:19:20Look he's eating. Hey, buddy. Thanks for your help back