La ex amiga de Fabiola, expone en juicio detalles sobre la relación tóxica y presunta violencia de género por parte del expresidente . Relata las infidelidades y el comportamiento irresponsable del exmandatario durante su mandato en medio de la pandemia.
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00:00It is the story of a toxic relationship.
00:04You will say, well, we are in a gossip show.
00:07No, we are talking about a trial against a former president.
00:15She said she knew he was a womanizer.
00:19She always knew he was a womanizer.
00:21She knew he flattered all women, including his friends.
00:26He even did it in front of her.
00:28She also said it in front of her.
00:30It was only that time that she wrote to me.
00:33Everyone always had their life.
00:36Both parties had their ties outside of the relationship.
00:42This is what Sofía Pachi declared in a section.
00:46Who is Sofía Pachi?
00:47She is Fabiola Llanes' friend,
00:48one of those who appears immortalized in the tremendous photo of Olivos during the pandemic,
00:54which was the breaking of the relationship between society and former president Alberto Fernández.
01:00But the portrait that Sofía Pachi makes,
01:03regardless of what will happen later with the mother cause that is being investigated,
01:07that of gender violence,
01:09speaks of a toxic relationship between a womanizer president and Fabiola Llanes,
01:17to whom her own friend says,
01:20well, she also had her relationships outside.
01:25And there it is understood why maybe she did not want her phone to be known.
01:31Because, remember that Fabiola Llanes did not want to give her phone in Spain
01:36for fear that other intimate situations would spread,
01:40which were evidently the parallel relationships that, according to Sofía Pachi, she had when she was in the presidency.
01:46That is to say that what was happening, doors inside the Quinta de Olivos,
01:50while Alberto was president, was a situation of hell.
01:54That is not judicial, but it does serve to understand, in the eyes of history,
01:59why Alberto ruled as he ruled.
02:01Maybe, I say.
02:03It was a toxic relationship, says Pachi.
02:08And when I say toxic, I mean the way they handled each other.
02:12Many fights, disagreements, blocking each other on the phone,
02:16separating, leaving the house,
02:18it was a fairly normal dynamic throughout their relationship.
02:23That was the treatment they had in their complex relationship.
02:27Sometimes she spoke to him like that, that is, in a violent way.
02:32Sometimes he.
02:33Fabiola kept chats or recorded the discussions to see them later.
02:39This is part of Sofía Pachi's statement yesterday.
02:44Martín Angulo, what else is there, what else can be deduced from this statement of Pachi?
02:49Hello, Roblo, how are you? Good morning.
02:52First, the importance of who speaks, because she introduces herself,
02:56she says it in her statement, as ex-best friend of Fabiola.
03:01Ex-best friend.
03:02Yes, Pachi says that they met in 2011 in a theater course,
03:06and that since then they had a relationship of friends,
03:10which was a very intimate relationship,
03:12that very private things were told,
03:15that relationship that one has with a best friend,
03:18and that in that context she knows Alberto Fernández.
03:23Pachi says something that may be useful for Alberto Fernández's defense,
03:29which has to do with alcohol consumption,
03:33and not to get into a question of Fabiola's private life,
03:37because she herself says in her statement that from this relationship she began to consume more alcohol,
03:43but Pachi says that part of the blows she gave to Llanes had to do with alcohol consumption,
03:51which is what Alberto Fernández's defense has raised in the cause.
03:55It is even something that other witnesses have said,
03:58that now they will not be able to declare that they presented the defense of Alberto Fernández.
04:04That is a starting point.
04:06So it is the first time that something appears that would tenuously favor,
04:12although there is a discussion, Alberto's position.
04:14The same one says, well, if he had an alcohol problem,
04:17it was not the way to solve it, let's say, with mistreatment.
04:21No, totally.
04:22Let's see, in fact, Pachi also speaks, and this is investigated in the cause,
04:26of a toxic relationship, of a conflictive relationship,
04:29and that when the prosecutor starts the investigation,
04:33not only does he put the physical aggressions to investigate,
04:36but he also puts the whole context.
04:39And part of that context had to do with what Pachi says,
04:42which were the extra-couple relationships of Alberto Fernández.
04:46In fact, why does Sofía Pachi come to declare the cause?
04:50Because Fabiola Yáñez tells in her testimony that at one time
04:53she found in Alberto Fernández's cell phone a message to her friend,
04:57in which Alberto Fernández sought to seduce her in some way.
05:00Yes, yes.
05:01He said, how beautiful you are, I don't have your contact, I don't know who you are.
05:06Exactly.
05:07With which he was left as an old man, stupid,
05:11who did not even recognize the best friend of his partner.
05:15The best friend of his partner, right?
05:17In fact, Pachi told that he knew Alberto Fernández,
05:21that he was at his house in Puerto Madero,
05:23and that he met him from the relationship with Fabiola Yáñez.
05:28In fact, for that relationship, Pachi says that she begins to work
05:32with Alberto Fernández and Fabiola in the presidential campaign of 2019,
05:36and that later Fabiola Yáñez made her,
05:41from the work she had directly with her,
05:45for two reasons.
05:46One, a disease that Pachi had that prevented him from working,
05:50and that Fabiola Yáñez did not like this.
05:52And then also because at one time Fabiola Yáñez told Alberto Fernández,
05:56all this already as president of the nation,
05:58that he was going to her house,
06:00and that in reality he had not gone to her house,
06:02he had gone to the house of a friend with a friend,
06:04and that when Alberto Fernández found out,
06:06well, he got angry, and that in turn Yáñez got angry with Pachi,
06:10because, let's say, the fourth had not gone well.
06:13I know, as I always tell you, that this is not very legal,
06:16but what climate was lived in that house?
06:18I mean, what climate?
06:19It was the house of the president of the nation.
06:21And well, how could it be governed like that, in the middle of that hell,
06:25of blockade, of that toxic relationship?
06:30Absolutely.
06:31No, no.
06:32Let's see, Pachi's testimony is more than others that were in the cause
06:37of this relationship that you are marking as toxic,
06:41of a president of the nation who, in Pachi's testimony,
06:45had been seducing women.
06:48Pachi said it yesterday.
06:50He flattered women in front of Fabiola Yáñez.
06:52Fabiola knew this, Pachi says,
06:56but there are other testimonies that...
06:58Which, from that point of view, also gives reason to Fabiola,
07:01because Fabiola also tells episodes of a female president.
07:06Yes, absolutely.
07:07Yes, yes, yes.
07:08No, that was left from several testimonies,
07:11not only Yáñez's, absolutely accredited,
07:14that part of the conflicts of the couple had to do with the relationships
07:19outside the relationship he had with other women, Alberto Fernández.
07:24And now Pachi also puts on the scene that the same thing happened
07:28with Fabiola Yáñez.
07:31In fact, now it takes a little more clarity.
07:36Some of the evidence that the defense, Alberto Fernández,
07:39at the time asked to know if certain men gave the names,
07:45traveled with Fabiola Yáñez to Misiones,
07:48which is his home province,
07:50this already during the presidency.
07:53Many believe that the place where Fabiola Yáñez managed
07:57to clear herself a little of all this situation that she lived in,
07:59was when she traveled to Misiones.
08:02Now it is also understood why Fabiola did not want to deliver the phone in Spain.
08:07Because they were going to assault those parallel relationships
08:10that she had while she was with Alberto.
08:12It could be one of the main reasons.
08:18In fact, Fabiola Yáñez, after not delivering her cell phone twice
08:23to be licensed, sends a message,
08:26sends an office a note to Prosecutor González,
08:29guaranteeing that he was only going to review the messages with Alberto Fernández.
08:34And the prosecutor answers him that this is the measure that was taken in court.
08:41Now, what is the problem?
08:43When you ask for a phone,
08:45yes or yes, you have to download all the information there is.
08:48And that information also has to be accessed by Alberto's defense lawyer.
08:53And you don't know why,
08:55the doubt that many may have is
08:57not knowing by what hand all this information can pass.
09:00That is why what Fabiola ends up doing
09:03is sending her the WhatsApp messages with Alberto Fernández.
09:09Many raise the doubt.
09:11They were all missing.
09:13She sent the most convenient ones for her strategy.
09:16Well, we have to see now what the prosecutor does with those messages.
09:19And if necessary, it requires the full phone.
09:24Let's see, when you get to know these things,
09:29Fabiola, can you say no?
09:33Can you go back?
09:35Can you change your testimony in any way?
09:38No, I can make some clarifications
09:41regarding different issues.
09:44I believe that all the issues of a more personal nature
09:50will not influence the decision that the prosecutor has already made,
09:55which is to ask for Alberto Fernández's phone.
09:57Extramarital affairs,
10:00relationships with other people,
10:03alcohol consumption,
10:05and that kind of things do not change
10:08what I believe is a conviction of the prosecution
10:11that Alberto Fernández committed gender violence
10:14and that he will go down that line.
10:16Yes, what happens is that,
10:18the episode of gender violence allows us to reveal,
10:21even if it is for history,
10:23that the president who was sitting,
10:25who was sitting in those four terrible years
10:28of the pandemic, of the crisis, of the debt, of the Macri inheritance,
10:32did not understand what he was doing,
10:34he did not understand where he was,
10:36he did not understand the gravity and importance of the role he had to play.
10:39And even more so in a pandemic context,
10:41with everything that a citizen had to face,
10:43an entire population,
10:45it is frustrating as a citizen
10:47to what we are witnessing every time we know details of this.
10:50Yes, I want to underline,
10:52which surely we all agree on,
10:54it can give the whole issue of infidelities
10:57a context to understand
11:00why there was conflict in the couple,
11:03there were discussions,
11:05but the fundamental thing is not the infidelities between one and the other,
11:08but here the fundamental thing is the crime that is being investigated,
11:11if the ex-president exercised physical and psychological violence against Fabiola
11:17and not if he was unfaithful.
11:19Yes, absolutely.
11:21Maybe the infidelities in the judicial analysis
11:25can be incorporated
11:27within what can become psychological violence,
11:31but they are not crimes.
11:33No, no, no, not infidelity itself as a crime,
11:37but they can become part of the explanatory picture of violence.
11:43The same as the position that Alberto Fernández had.
11:47It is not the same a conflict in any couple
11:50than a couple where the president of the nation is the head of state.
11:54Yes, and what amazes you is how no one told him,
11:57there were no advisers, advisers, trusted people
12:01who told him, you have to cut with this,
12:03you have to cut with the mines,
12:05you have to cut with the toxic relationship,
12:07this is going to end badly,
12:09it is going to end in an episode of gender violence.
12:11He could not hire a therapist to advise himself,
12:14to see what he had to do.
12:16He did not register that he was in a crisis,
12:18he did not register at this point that he was a president
12:20and that he had to have some degree of responsibility
12:24when making decisions in his personal life.
12:26It seems that he did not register anything.
12:28No, in fact, not even Fabiola Llanes in her testimony,
12:33nor were there people closer to her who stated in the cause,
12:36they talked about this,
12:38of some recommendation of the term of the relationship
12:40in the best possible terms,
12:42of looking for some kind of advice.
12:44No, there was none of that.
12:46Do you know what Pachi Rolo also declares to be?
12:50Something that seems to have been central
12:53in the history of the couple and the government,
12:55which was the Olivos party.
12:57Sure.
12:58Pachi was one of the guests at the Olivos party.
13:02Well, she said yesterday that Fabiola Llanes was the one who invited her.
13:06Fabiola, in her statement,
13:08says that it was Alberto Fernández who organized everything.
13:11Sure.
13:12She even said that he bought her the cake.
13:14He even bought her the cake.
13:16Yesterday Pachi says, no, it was Fabiola who invited me.
13:19And he also says that when the photo is made public,
13:24Pachi was no longer working with Fabiola Llanes,
13:28he worked directly in the area of communication
13:31and protocol of the presidency of the nation.
13:33Pachi says that Llanes cut ties with all the members of that photo
13:38and that he only communicated with her again
13:41when he had to go to declare the criminal cause
13:44that was initiated by this file,
13:48and that the last time he was at Olivos
13:51was for a meeting in which Alberto Fernández called her
13:56after the photo of Olivos
13:58to ask her if she could resume the relationship with Fabiola Llanes
14:03for the moment that she was going through,
14:05for the anguish of the photo, etc.
14:08But the photo of Olivos was something key.
14:11Sure.
14:12And it detonated the relationships between everyone,
14:15between Alberto and Fabiola, between Fabiola and Sofía Pachi,
14:18between everyone.
14:19Because there was also the suspicion of who had leaked it.
14:23It detonated all these relationships and detonated the government.
14:27Several witnesses say that this photo was a break in the relationship
14:34and that Alberto Fernández told Fabiola Llanes,
14:37we lost because of you.
14:39Well, he was right.
14:41Well, it was clearly, well, clearly.
14:44Then we went into discussion.
14:46Alberto was in this photo.
14:47I don't know if it was his fault, but it was because of the photo.
14:49Also, not because of the photo, but because of the party,
14:53for having organized a social meeting
14:55when no one could meet at that time because of the pandemic.