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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:14The 26th amendment has been passed.
00:16It has two parts.
00:17One part is that the court, has the court been democratized more,
00:24has the appointment of judges been improved or has it been destroyed?
00:29This is one part of the amendment.
00:31And the second part, which is perhaps important,
00:33in fact, if it is said to be more important, then it will not be wrong,
00:35that the process in which it has been done,
00:38was it supposed to be like this?
00:40We usually only look at the results in different things,
00:44we do not look at the process.
00:45The process is often more important.
00:47The result, the result you reach through that process.
00:50Anyway, some people will see you supporting this amendment.
00:54They will say, the court is now free in the right sense.
00:57Not only is the court free in the right sense,
00:59but now this court will be able to serve the people in the right sense.
01:03What is its second view?
01:05That the court will now become the slave of politicians.
01:08How?
01:09That now judges will be appointed,
01:11or the Chief Justice will be appointed to this special bench,
01:13or will come to this special bench when he can keep the government happy.
01:17Because these appointments have to be made by the government.
01:19And when those political decisions or decisions will be made,
01:24then they will think before making decisions,
01:26that the government should not be upset about anything.
01:28Because they have to get their next appointment from this government,
01:31and their next appointment depends on this happiness,
01:34or on the happiness of the government.
01:36But then there will be another alternate view.
01:38And that is that there were black snakes in this country,
01:41as Mr. Bilawal said.
01:43Iftikhar Chaudhary gave an example,
01:45as Mr. Saqib Nisar gave an example.
01:48Today, the Justice Movement is giving you examples of Mr. Qazi.
01:51And why are these examples given?
01:53Because a time has come when the price of samosas,
01:56and the big notices given on the bottles of liquor,
01:59were printed on hospitals.
02:01Mr. Bilawal will tell you, the People's Party will tell you.
02:05There was a time when the Muslim League Noon,
02:09used to take petitions and stand in the Supreme Court.
02:11It used to be entertained.
02:13And how relief was received,
02:15or the People's Party was made to stand in front of the sword every day.
02:20On the other hand, the Muslim League Noon will tell you,
02:22when Mr. Saqib Nisar was the Chief Justice,
02:24what used to happen at that time.
02:26So, you will get this second alternate view,
02:29that now we will not let this happen.
02:31But does this really happen?
02:33Look, when judges are appointed,
02:36the real problem starts from there.
02:38If you start appointing political judges on political grounds,
02:42then our court's downfall starts from there.
02:46I myself know that some judges,
02:49when the government of a political party was appointed,
02:53they were not only members of their party,
02:56but had already fought elections.
02:58They were appointed as judges.
03:00Why? Because this is the politics of our country.
03:02This is what we want to do.
03:04And this is what we know.
03:05Weakening the Supreme Court,
03:07many people think that maybe we are weakening the democracy of this country.
03:11Anyway, a lot has happened in this country.
03:13I have seen a lot that if this gentleman comes, it will be fine.
03:17This institution will be fine.
03:18This country will be fine.
03:19They will fix everything.
03:20But you know only when they come.
03:22And I have seen a lot in this country,
03:24how they are against the 63A.
03:26Or they say that it should not end.
03:28The new law should not end.
03:29The people who make laws for someone else,
03:31they do not let it end.
03:33In the end, it all comes to them.
03:35The second process has come.
03:37How did this happen?
03:38They will make lots.
03:40Now, whether it is because of bribery,
03:45a lot of accusations have been made in the last few days.
03:48Politicians, the leaders of political parties,
03:51keep accusing that their people were kidnapped.
03:54Or their family members were kidnapped.
03:56Because of this, it was easy for them to break the shackles of reformation.
03:59It was also said that a lot of money has been spent.
04:02Anyway, these are the accusations that have been made regarding this reformation.
04:07Our two senators are on their side.
04:10We support them.
04:12And if people have to be kidnapped like this,
04:14I say that this is not a democracy.
04:15This is a sham democracy.
04:16We have seven members kidnapped.
04:18We have other friends who have been kidnapped.
04:20Madam, Naseema Ehsan is being forced to vote.
04:24Is this the respect of the vote?
04:26On the one hand, negotiations are going on with us.
04:28On the other hand, our MPs are being harassed.
04:32If your attitude is of mischief,
04:35then we also know our attitude of mischief.
04:39So, these are the leaders of different parties
04:41who were telling the people of their party.
04:45What does the government say?
04:46The government says that they were free people.
04:48We did not make any lota.
04:49We did not break any other party's people.
04:52They are saying this to the extent of the National Assembly.
04:54We know that there were two people of Mr. Mehngal in the Senate.
04:57What do the people of the government say?
04:58Let's listen.
04:59These are the honorable members of their parties.
05:03And they voted for Azad Araqeen.
05:06There is no lota vote here.
05:09Mr. Khwaja Asif also said the same thing.
05:13That these people have to do propaganda.
05:15He said that the PTI is doing propaganda.
05:19The four MPs who have come here,
05:22they have fought the Azad election.
05:24They have not fought the election on the PTI ticket.
05:27The opposition was making a claim
05:29that the government will not vote for the government.
05:34The opposition did not make a claim.
05:36The question is what the government is going to do.
06:06Mr. Khwaja gave two statements.
06:07He said that he will rectify this with a brute majority
06:09if the opposition does not come.
06:11What did he say? Let's listen.
06:32I will read it. He read it.
06:34He read it.
06:35The rest of the people also gave similar statements
06:37which we will tell you sometime.
06:39But it was a very interesting thing.
06:41Some people were kept as a backup.
06:43This is also a very interesting incident
06:46in which there is an example of Mr. Zain Qureshi.
06:48For example, you must have seen for the first time
06:51that Mr. Zain Qureshi.
06:54At that time, Mr. Buhari gave his name
06:56at a press conference
06:57that he was forcibly kept hostage by the PTI.
06:59Let's listen to what he said.
07:04Senator Saifullah Abdo,
07:06Mr. Shafqat Fayyad Khan,
07:08Mr. Zain Qureshi.
07:09If you do not trust Shah Mehmood Qureshi's son
07:11and if the PTI can kidnap Shah Mehmood Qureshi's son,
07:14then you can guess how far he has gone.
07:16Mr. Qasoor Se Laqvi,
07:17Mr. Haji Imtiaz.
07:19So, I tried to call Mr. Zain Qureshi myself.
07:22So, I spoke to his sister, Mr. Mehrbano Qureshi,
07:25when this statement came.
07:27Because, of course,
07:28taking his name in this context of the government,
07:31she said,
07:32how can Shah Mehmood Qureshi's son
07:34leave the party?
07:36Then for the last three days,
07:37the news was going on TV or on social media
07:39that Zain Qureshi has gone to the other side.
07:42But he did not make any statement.
07:44It is said that he was present as a backup.
07:46But as soon as all this was over,
07:48a statement from Mr. Farhan Virk's Twitter account
07:52came to him last night,
07:54about which Mr. Hamid Raza also said
07:56that his timing was very wrong.
07:58That is, when the matters were over,
08:00there was no need,
08:01then many people gave these statements.
08:04So, in many cases,
08:06if you talk to people of justice,
08:08they themselves are also the victims of doubt
08:10that who were the people
08:12who became part of this whole process for what reason?
08:16In the end, before leaving,
08:18Mr. Wada also said that
08:19no one will be able to do anything for 65 years.
08:21Let's listen to Mr. Wada first.
08:24To become a father,
08:25now no one will try for the next 65 years.
08:28Keep clarity on it.
08:29And secondly, this is not the victory.
08:31This is the victory.
08:33He also showed this victory.
08:34And what did Mr. Bilawal actually say?
08:38What did he say? Let's listen first.
08:41How can you forget your father?
08:42This work could not have been done without your father.
08:47And this was the mention of the father party,
08:49whose vote was cast.
08:50Mr. Bilal Qaini is present with us.
08:52He is the senator of Pakistan Muslim League Noon,
08:54Mr. Aunabas Bappi,
08:55Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf.
08:58Mr. Bappi, if you don't mind.
08:59Mr. Bappi, in your party,
09:00the people you are talking to,
09:02the way you are talking,
09:04whether you want to make a lot or not,
09:07how many lots have you made?
09:08Because I was looking at the website of the Election Commission.
09:10These are not free people on the website of the Election Commission.
09:14I seek refuge in Allah from the accursed Satan.
09:15In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Ever Merciful.
09:17Mr. Qaini, yesterday I was in the Senate.
09:18And when I entered the Senate,
09:20for the first time after three and a half years,
09:22I felt very strange.
09:23The Senate seemed very strange to me.
09:25And there were such faces that I had never seen in my life.
09:27They were walking around there.
09:29And every time I looked at the back door,
09:32someone would come to us.
09:34Someone would come from here.
09:35A little later,
09:36Qasim Rojo and Naseem Ahsan,
09:38who are both Senators of Mangal,
09:40the way they entered,
09:42the way their faces were flying,
09:44I was afraid that after a while,
09:46some of our Senators might not come from here.
09:48Anyway, the numbers have been completed.
09:49Allah has respected many of them.
09:50But having said that,
09:51the whole atmosphere yesterday,
09:53I don't want to talk about this amendment right now.
09:55But the way it was executed,
09:57it couldn't have been done in a stupid way.
09:59That is, in the name of democracy in Pakistan,
10:01which was done yesterday.
10:03Sir, Mr. Bilawal had said that if you don't come,
10:05it will be done through brute force.
10:07It was done through brute force.
10:08Yes, he did it.
10:09There is no doubt about it.
10:10He used brute force.
10:11And what Faisal Wada has said,
10:13what Bilawal Bhutto Zardari was saying,
10:15they have done it.
10:17They have proven it.
10:18They can do it.
10:19And if they want to do it,
10:20they can do it.
10:21Sir, tell me,
10:22this is Mubarak Zaid.
10:23I am asking about independence.
10:24There are five members of the Independent
10:26Communist Assembly.
10:27Why are these five independent
10:29on the election commission's website?
10:30Yes, I will tell you.
10:31Mr. Karachi, first of all,
10:32you should remember that
10:33for eight years,
10:34the entire justice system of Pakistan
10:35fought independently.
10:36Okay.
10:37I mean, do you remember?
10:38Juta, Tabla,
10:39Harmonium,
10:40Topi,
10:41we were all independent
10:42in this direction.
10:43In this,
10:44Barrister Gaur is independent,
10:46but he is the party chairman.
10:47Obviously, he cannot join.
10:48Umar Ayub,
10:49he was the party secretary general.
10:50He cannot join.
10:51I have seen a lot of people.
10:52But why are these people independent?
10:53Didn't they give an affidavit
10:54for the SIC?
10:55Affidavit.
10:56Some people gave it.
10:57The ECP refused to take their affidavit.
10:58This is a big collaboration.
10:59These four or five people,
11:00let's leave one of them,
11:01Mr. Imtiaz Ilyas,
11:02let's leave him.
11:03Because he had an issue
11:04with the Kaaf League
11:05that was probably going on
11:06at that time.
11:07The rest of the four people,
11:08we arranged for them.
11:09Because they are
11:10from the Kaaf League
11:11on the website.
11:12Um,
11:13I think they are from the Kaaf League.
11:14Yes, yes.
11:15And the rest of the four people
11:16who were from the Kaaf League,
11:17the rest of the four people
11:18who were coming to us,
11:19the four people who fought
11:20on our ticket,
11:21they were our candidates.
11:22But the SIC certificate
11:23that they had,
11:24the ECP refused to submit it.
11:25And you remember
11:26when the notification happened,
11:27a few people went back and forth.
11:28So we have to
11:29give them the certificate.
11:30Why did they give them
11:31five or six people?
11:32They had no idea
11:33about the law reform at the time.
11:34I mean,
11:35I don't understand.
11:36If we can show it
11:37on the TV screen,
11:38if we have the screenshot
11:39of the website
11:40where all these people
11:41are from the Kaaf League
11:42and they are coming to us,
11:43then we can give them
11:44the certificate.
11:45If we have the screenshot
11:46of the website
11:47where all these people
11:48are from the Kaaf League
11:49and they are coming to us,
11:50then we can give them the certificate.
11:51You can see Mubarak Zeb,
11:52Gaur Ali Khan,
11:53Mr. Gaur is obviously
11:54the party chairman,
11:55Ali Asghar Khan,
11:56Munar Khan's old colleagues,
11:57Zahoor Hussain Qureshi,
11:58Aurangzeb Khan,
11:59Khichdi.
12:00Why are they independent?
12:01I just want to know.
12:02Tell me again.
12:03Because they didn't accept
12:04five people.
12:05Out of about 80.
12:06I'll tell you that.
12:07When their certificates
12:08were asked at that time,
12:09somehow in the beginning
12:10their certificates,
12:11there were not 40 people
12:12at the beginning
12:13when you collect them
12:14,
12:15their certificates
12:16did not come to us.
12:17So their certificates
12:18were late for 15 or 20 days
12:19when these certificates
12:20came to Mr. Gauhar
12:21and they were sent to the ECP,
12:22then the ECP refused
12:23to take that certificate.
12:24Because it was too late.
12:25By that time,
12:26this case of the
12:27Faifuz Nasheeds
12:28had gone so far
12:29that they felt
12:30that if four or five more
12:31seats were added,
12:32then we will get
12:33more reserve seats.
12:34So they kept on
12:35complicating.
12:36So they are independent.
12:37But now the entire
12:38justice system
12:39is independent.
12:40Sir,
12:41I will come to
12:42Mr. Zain Qureshi's case.
12:43I will ask him
12:44a question.
12:45I will tell you.
12:46I have spoken to
12:47many people.
12:48Let's see.
12:49Because
12:50Mr. Hamid Raza
12:51said that
12:52he is very late.
12:53Many questions
12:54are being raised
12:55about his timing
12:56that what
12:57he has done
12:58and how he has done it.
12:59Process.
13:00As I said
13:01in the interview,
13:02some people
13:03will say it is good
13:04and some people
13:05will say it is bad.
13:06Let's see
13:07what the lawyers
13:08say about it,
13:09what will be
13:10the movement on it,
13:11how potent it will be.
13:12Sir,
13:13I have
13:14set up
13:15a bar
13:16count.
13:17Do you
13:18think
13:19democracy
13:20is more
13:21powerful
13:22than
13:23such
13:24reforms?
13:25The way
13:26we have done
13:27it,
13:28it could
13:29have been
13:30done
13:31better.
13:32Thank you
13:33for having
13:34me on
13:35your show.
13:36Yesterday
13:37you
13:38heard
13:39speeches
13:40from
13:41all
13:42the
13:43parties.
13:44Mr.
13:45Bilawal
13:46and
13:47Prime
13:48Minister
13:49Shabaz
13:50Sharif
13:51spoke
13:52at
13:53the
13:54end.
13:55Mr.
13:56Maulana
13:57also
13:58spoke.
13:59Mr.
14:00Umar
14:01Ayyub
14:02also
14:03spoke.
14:04But
14:05you
14:06saw
14:07the
14:08political
14:09process
14:10that
14:11took
14:12place.
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