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۔Shahid Khaqan Abbasi Gives Inside News Regarding Pakistan Politics
۔Shahid Khaqan Abbasi's Big Statement Regarding Ishaq Dar's performance
۔"Khan Sahab Nay Mujhe Kaha Yeh Meray Principle Kay Against Hai Kay...", Barrister Ali Zafar
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00:00 Assalamu alaikum, viewers. You are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:03 We have with us Mr. Abbasi, Mr. Shahid Kharkhan Abbasi.
00:06 Assalamu alaikum, Mr. Shahid.
00:08 Walaikum assalam.
00:09 Mr. Shahid, the PMLN politics is being discussed a lot these days
00:13 because there are difficulties in discussing the PTA politics.
00:17 Permission.
00:18 Permission. You will have a problem with permission.
00:20 Maybe you will have more than me.
00:25 Maybe we will have.
00:26 You know what the situation is these days. But because you are here and the PMLN politics is also here.
00:31 Tell me, you are not getting the ticket. You have not applied.
00:34 I have not applied. I had gone to the elections but I was not getting the ticket.
00:37 You are not even in the Noon League.
00:38 No, see today I have not resigned from the Noon League.
00:43 But it is only acceptable that I have not applied for the ticket.
00:47 That you are not even in the Noon League.
00:50 That I am not with the politics. That's the thing.
00:52 And you don't have your own party?
00:54 No, I don't have my own party.
00:55 Did you decide to launch it or not?
00:58 No, no, we had never decided to launch a party.
01:00 I still say that a party will be formed in Pakistan. One or maybe more than that.
01:04 Because the three old parties have no way out.
01:11 They cannot deliver anything for the people or for the country.
01:15 This is my personal opinion.
01:17 So, there is a place for a political party but that political party is not the same as the Reimagining Pakistan.
01:22 Yes, Reimagining Pakistan or some other forum can be formed.
01:26 But it will be formed. I think today it is a very big space for a community.
01:31 You have fought so many elections from the Muslim League Noon League.
01:34 Will you campaign for a candidate from the Muslim League Noon League?
01:37 No, it will be difficult.
01:39 Why?
01:41 If I had agreed with that politics, I would have fought the elections myself.
01:48 If Mr. Mian fights the elections, he has given a candidate, maybe I will fight, will you still not campaign?
01:53 No, there is no such thing.
01:55 If it happens, then?
01:56 No, this is a matter of if. If it happens, then.
01:58 If he fights, he will not need me.
02:01 He called you and said that Shahid Shahid will come back to the party.
02:04 No, no, no, there is no such thing.
02:06 I think he has also said goodbye to you.
02:08 No, it is not a matter of goodbye.
02:10 My opinion was very clear.
02:13 I spoke to him twice.
02:18 I think we consider each other very old.
02:20 He has always been kind.
02:24 So, your people did not understand.
02:26 No, whatever you want to understand.
02:30 So, both sides are refusing.
02:32 You do not want to go, that too to bring you.
02:34 It is not a matter of refusal.
02:35 Sir, how easy it is, Mr. Shahid calls you and says,
02:37 Mr. Shahid, you have been with us for 35-40 years.
02:39 In the most difficult times, you have spent time in jail.
02:41 You have been with us for a long time.
02:43 Leave it, let him come back to the party.
02:45 Those things that have happened between us,
02:47 they stay there.
02:49 But I think my position was very clear to him.
02:52 I will not be able to fight.
02:55 And I will not be able to stay in the party.
02:57 And he also feels that there is no point in calling you.
02:59 No, it is his will.
03:01 When he calls, I am present.
03:03 But it will not be possible for me to fight.
03:07 Tell me, Mr. Shahid, if you are not there,
03:09 you are not there,
03:11 even today Rana Sinhaullah was saying
03:13 that he has a very experienced team.
03:15 Where is the team?
03:17 If you think you cannot fix it?
03:19 It is not about fixing it.
03:22 I do not agree with the way it is being taken.
03:26 Which way?
03:27 The way of power.
03:29 The way of power, when politics,
03:31 The way of power, when politics,
03:33 which has been established,
03:35 but the way of power, which is not,
03:37 is always unsuccessful.
03:39 So I have a little ...
03:41 This is not an impression.
03:43 Let's be fair.
03:45 Before boarding the London flight,
03:47 he knew what would happen in Pakistan.
03:49 I will not be arrested.
03:51 There will be relief in the case.
03:53 The party, going to places,
03:55 saying that the crown of the beloved
03:57 has now been worn by the husband,
03:59 that is not an impression.
04:01 This speculation always remains
04:03 that what happened, what did not happen.
04:05 This is politics.
04:07 It is said by looking at the situation.
04:09 Why does not the People's Party say
04:11 that the beloved is king?
04:13 Because looking at the situation,
04:15 it does not seem that the People's Party ...
04:17 Four months ago, they used to say
04:19 that they have become beloved.
04:21 These things continue to happen.
04:23 In the last election, in the 2018 election,
04:25 when someone is selected,
04:27 and when someone is crowned,
04:29 then there are some works for it.
04:31 Why are you saying it is an impression?
04:33 I have never said that.
04:35 The problem is not that I have said it.
04:37 You did not say that.
04:39 You said that elections are being stolen.
04:41 Before the election, there was a briefing.
04:43 I said that we have not learned the lesson
04:45 from the past.
04:47 Today, you are breaking a party
04:49 and getting people in another party.
04:51 It was four months before the election.
04:53 We knew it at that time.
04:55 We used to say that.
04:57 It used to happen in that election too.
04:59 If it happens like this, it will be a loss.
05:01 I do not want to speculate on this.
05:03 But we have seen a lot of these things
05:05 in the last 35 years.
05:07 And it has always been a loss.
05:09 The country has also suffered a loss.
05:11 The people who are involved in this
05:13 also suffer a loss.
05:15 Politics is also bad.
05:17 The country is also bad.
05:19 I have never seen anything positive in this.
05:21 Even after so many elections,
05:25 will the majority not be able to take the election?
05:27 The majority is very difficult for any party.
05:29 This is my opinion.
05:31 You are running alone in a race in Punjab.
05:33 It seems that the opponent
05:35 may not even get a bullet mark.
05:37 The MPA who was with you today,
05:39 Mr. Abasi,
05:41 he also left the party.
05:43 Not me.
05:45 Not Abasi, but the deputy speaker who was also there.
05:47 Yes, he was from Pindi.
05:49 I had a little connection with him.
05:51 He had a connection with Kota.
05:53 So, he also left the party today.
05:55 There is no one left. Who will fight?
05:57 You will run alone.
05:59 Yes.
06:01 There was a Peer in our circle.
06:03 We used to go to him.
06:05 In the election.
06:07 He used to say,
06:09 may God make everyone successful.
06:11 May God make everyone who is fighting,
06:13 successful.
06:15 So, you are saying that the PMLN
06:17 will not get the majority.
06:19 I think that no party will be able to take it.
06:21 It will be difficult.
06:23 Yesterday, Mr. Ali Fabasi said,
06:25 if we do not get the majority,
06:27 we will sit in the opposition,
06:29 not in the government.
06:31 Do you think this is the first thing?
06:33 Mr. Abasi is very close.
06:35 You know that Mr. Shabaz is very close.
06:37 Mr. Mian is also very close.
06:39 Will this party policy also be made in the coming days?
06:41 I do not know about this.
06:43 What is your opinion?
06:45 No party does this.
06:47 Every party tries to form a coalition
06:49 and form a government.
06:51 And now, the Muslim League is trying
06:53 to form a coalition.
06:55 This is a positive way.
06:57 There is a contact with the MQM.
06:59 There is a contact with the Baab Party.
07:01 There is a contact with the JUI.
07:03 So, this coalition is being formed
07:05 from now itself.
07:07 The coalition is being formed,
07:09 but you are not taking this statement
07:11 very seriously.
07:13 I take every statement of Mr. Fabasi
07:15 very seriously.
07:17 But I do not think that politics is like this.
07:19 I have not seen politics of anger.
07:21 The 2018 model is also there.
07:23 There was an election, there was no Sariyat.
07:25 There was a government and it was
07:27 a very unstable government.
07:29 Maybe the Muslim League has also decided
07:31 that if we want to govern like this,
07:33 then what is the need to govern?
07:35 There was no instability.
07:37 What was the problem with Imran Khan?
07:39 Sir, you were watching what was happening
07:41 in the assembly.
07:43 What happened in the assembly?
07:45 There was a protest every day
07:47 on the side of the elected.
07:49 What happened in the assembly?
07:51 Imran Khan himself started
07:53 taking out abuses on the first day.
07:55 He was abusing from the first day.
07:57 The first day was not allowed to give a speech.
07:59 And that is why the elections were rigged.
08:01 This happens in the parliament.
08:03 So, will the system work like this
08:05 after 2024?
08:07 The opposition will be there in every situation.
08:09 Don't you see the national government?
08:11 PDM 2 type.
08:13 It does not make any difference.
08:15 Sir, look,
08:17 the MQM is on board.
08:19 GDA is on board.
08:21 JUIF is on board.
08:23 People's Party is out.
08:25 Now you know that they will fight the elections
08:27 and then some issues will be solved.
08:29 So, there will be a government without the opposition.
08:31 You have seen the 16 months.
08:33 There was a government without the opposition.
08:35 My brother was a member of the state opposition.
08:37 Was it a successful model?
08:39 What do you think?
08:41 Was it successful?
08:43 I don't think so.
08:45 If such a government is formed.
08:47 You are saying that there will be no obstruction to the government.
08:49 There was no obstruction to the government.
08:51 Despite that, those things cannot be done.
08:53 Those extreme things should not have been done.
08:55 There are not even three.
08:57 Let's come to this side.
08:59 Let's be honest.
09:01 Your most important ministry is
09:03 Finance in any government.
09:05 Because all the economic problems are the biggest.
09:07 That is present. Mr. Dar is present.
09:09 When Mr. Mifta Ismail was there,
09:11 Mr. Dar used to cut Mr. Mifta Ismail's legs.
09:13 He doesn't know anything.
09:15 When Mr. Dar came, Mr. Mifta Ismail asked him what he was doing.
09:17 Everyone has their own opinion.
09:19 You, Mr. Daniyal, say that
09:21 Mr. Iqbal doesn't know anything.
09:23 This is a part of the Jamaat.
09:25 It is not like that.
09:27 Your own Jamaat is saying about its own team
09:29 that no one knows anything.
09:31 This is not the case in the Jamaat.
09:33 There is a disagreement on one or two things.
09:35 There is a personal disagreement.
09:37 There is a disagreement of opinion.
09:39 People talk in politics.
09:41 I say that Allah will do.
09:43 Did Mr. Dar deliver correctly
09:45 till he was the Minister of Treasury?
09:47 You will see the effects of that in the election.
09:49 Tell me openly.
09:51 I will have my own opinion.
09:53 I am asking for your opinion.
09:55 You will see that opinion.
09:57 So you think that Mr. Dar is a failed
09:59 Minister of Treasury.
10:01 No, I don't say that.
10:03 You have said that Pakistan's best
10:05 Minister of Treasury was Mr. Mifta Ismail.
10:07 Mr. Mifta Ismail has the knowledge,
10:09 academic background,
10:11 experience in the private sector,
10:13 public sector,
10:15 political system.
10:17 I think you have a well-built
10:19 Minister of Treasury.
10:21 He was.
10:23 He is still there.
10:25 He left the party.
10:27 He didn't leave the party.
10:29 He is not a part of this system.
10:31 He is OSD.
10:33 He is OSD.
10:35 We are all OSD.
10:37 What will all the OSD do?
10:39 Do you expect people to come out of the
10:41 back door?
10:43 No, no.
10:45 If there is no political coincidence,
10:47 then it is fine.
10:49 It is your own thought.
10:51 Till when does this system,
10:53 let's say, a government is formed in 2024.
10:55 How long?
10:57 You have seen so many assemblies.
10:59 How long do you think it will last?
11:01 Who do you call to run?
11:03 If the elections are disputed,
11:05 and people do not accept it,
11:07 then the government
11:09 will not be able to do anything
11:11 even after five years.
11:13 Governments run on moral authority.
11:15 If there is a stolen election,
11:17 no government will come.
11:19 What was the problem of Imran Khan?
11:21 It was a stolen election.
11:23 The foundation was on theft.
11:25 So that matter did not work.
11:27 Will this be a stolen election?
11:29 No, may God forbid.
11:31 I am not saying that.
11:33 Let me say something.
11:35 There are three types of times
11:37 in an election.
11:39 There is a pre-poll time,
11:41 a polling day time,
11:43 and a post-poll time.
11:45 You have seen all three times.
11:47 When you were in 2018,
11:49 there was a pre-poll time.
11:51 When South Punjab became a
11:53 major city, when people were
11:55 taken seats, and when it was
11:57 broken, etc.
11:59 It is still happening.
12:01 You can compare it.
12:03 There is no doubt about it.
12:05 If you say pre-poll rigging,
12:07 it started in 2017
12:09 when the decision
12:11 was taken to collect votes.
12:13 Then the elections started.
12:15 Then the assembly was broken.
12:17 Then the Bab Party came.
12:19 It was a whole series.
12:21 If you say that
12:23 those things are still happening,
12:25 or have been happening,
12:27 then we should be careful.
12:29 You will not talk about
12:31 the 23-24 elections
12:33 as you have been doing
12:35 since 2017-18.
12:37 The decisions are still coming.
12:39 The decisions are coming.
12:41 The decisions are coming.
12:43 What can I say?
12:45 You were very clear about the
12:47 last elections.
12:49 When the elections came,
12:51 what decisions were made?
12:53 Chairman Tariq Khan and Imran Khan
12:55 have been punished.
12:57 The Pakistan Party,
12:59 which you call Bab,
13:01 has become Pakistan.
13:03 You are seeing it.
13:05 Do you want to say anything?
13:07 The whole of Pakistan is watching.
13:09 But if you talk about
13:11 the cases of Mian Washir,
13:13 they were fake.
13:15 They should have been finished
13:17 long before.
13:19 Tosha Khanna is a good case.
13:21 If the court decides,
13:23 they will take the case.
13:25 No, the court has already
13:27 done it.
13:29 The trial court has already punished.
13:31 In my opinion,
13:33 the lawyers who were right
13:35 did not fight the case.
13:37 This is my opinion about it.
13:39 Whatever decision comes,
13:41 you should have given your arguments
13:43 in the case, you should have talked.
13:45 That did not happen.
13:47 The technical flaws that have remained,
13:49 they will be useful in the appeal.
13:51 Let's see.
13:53 You are seeing a lot of work
13:55 going on in the appeals.
13:57 But the problem is that
13:59 you have a very clear view on the case.
14:01 You are saying that the case of these cases
14:03 is clear.
14:05 You will have clarity about the other case too.
14:07 But it will be difficult to give you
14:09 clarity today.
14:11 We will talk to you after five years.
14:13 You will ask me after five years.
14:15 I will give you clarity.
14:17 You will be more clear.
14:19 Sir, where did this vote go?
14:21 Sir, what do you mean by that?
14:23 There should be public opinion.
14:25 This is the thing.
14:27 I am also saying the same thing.
14:29 If we do not respect the public opinion
14:31 in the election,
14:33 and the election becomes controversial,
14:35 then it will be very difficult to run the country.
14:37 We should realize this.
14:39 I am just saying this.
14:41 Let's see.
14:43 Obviously, we will talk about this
14:45 openly after five years.
14:47 We will do it before that.
14:49 Let the elections happen.
14:51 I am saying that we should be careful.
14:53 The Election Commission should be careful.
14:55 The government should be careful.
14:57 The level playing field is in the market.
14:59 In your opinion.
15:01 What do you mean by level playing field?
15:03 If you are not hopeful,
15:05 like you are leaving the hopefuls.
15:07 The Jamaat.
15:09 History will tell you why you are leaving them.
15:11 Today, a person himself is saying
15:13 that he will fight the new election.
15:15 He will participate in the new election.
15:17 He is leaving the party.
15:19 This has happened in the past.
15:21 What are the effects of this?
15:23 I am just saying that we should
15:25 always learn from the past.
15:27 We are convinced of repeating the old mistakes.
15:29 Yes, then you will get the same results.
15:31 Maybe you will get better results.
15:33 Tell me, Mr. Ishaq,
15:35 who is Noor's opponent in Punjab?
15:37 In Punjab,
15:41 Noor and PTI
15:43 will be competing.
15:45 Who is the third-most popular party?
15:47 The third-most popular party
15:51 is the Ishtekam Party.
15:53 There are electable candidates in that party.
15:55 Who are they?
15:57 There are many people.
15:59 Tell me the name of the electable candidate.
16:01 Sarwar Khan is the electable candidate.
16:03 He is the electable candidate.
16:05 I don't know if Fawad Chaudhary is in that party.
16:09 He was also an electable candidate.
16:11 You know the cities of J&T Road.
16:13 There is Ali Khan.
16:15 There are people from all over Punjab.
16:17 Lahore, J&T Road,
16:19 these are the votes of the parties.
16:21 These are the odd constituencies
16:23 where the votes of the people are counted.
16:25 There is a small constituency in the north and central Punjab.
16:27 There are a few small constituencies.
16:29 You can go to Murree.
16:31 You have won 6-7 elections.
16:33 You have been winning elections since 1988.
16:35 But there, largely,
16:37 the votes are of the party.
16:39 The votes of the people are not there.
16:41 So, here, the electable candidate,
16:43 Mr. Aleem Khan from Lahore,
16:45 he will not be electable.
16:47 He will be elected only if he gets the party vote.
16:49 Time will tell.
16:51 Let the elections happen.
16:53 Now, here, there is Ali Nawaz.
16:55 He is sitting in this constituency.
16:57 Is he electable?
16:59 I don't know.
17:01 He is in the party.
17:03 The decision of the electable candidate
17:05 will be made by the people who vote here.
17:07 So, if there is no PTI in Punjab,
17:09 then how many seats should the Muslim League
17:11 take out from 140 seats?
17:13 If there is no PTI,
17:15 then 10-15 seats.
17:17 This is a very difficult task.
17:19 I am asking you, how much competition
17:21 do you see in Punjab?
17:23 This will be known in the elections.
17:25 Let the election schedule be announced.
17:27 Let's see which candidates come.
17:29 Does it matter?
17:31 I think that the symbol,
17:33 as you said, is the vote of the party.
17:35 The symbol matters.
17:37 If you leave the south,
17:39 then there are two parties.
17:41 There is no third party in Punjab
17:43 who is not capable of putting a dent.
17:45 There is a vote of TLP in every constituency.
17:47 It is a damaging vote.
17:49 Whoever it goes to,
17:51 it will swing.
17:53 But it will not be a winning vote.
17:55 It has effects.
17:57 They can affect elections.
17:59 It can damage,
18:01 or defeat someone.
18:03 And there can be a trade-off
18:05 on the seat of the party.
18:07 Because TLP's vote in many
18:09 constituencies is such that
18:11 it can win the seat of the party.
18:13 It is a sizable vote.
18:15 If there is an adjustment
18:17 with the candidate of the party,
18:19 then it can win.
18:21 But that adjustment will be at the
18:23 political party level, which is not yet visible.
18:25 It happens at the local level.
18:27 If there is no PTI,
18:29 there are 100 seats in the
18:31 central and north.
18:33 It will look like PM LN
18:35 is running the elections alone.
18:37 If he is running alone,
18:39 then the election will not happen.
18:41 If he does not win,
18:43 then what will happen?
18:45 If he runs alone in the race
18:47 and comes in second,
18:49 then what will happen?
18:51 Then the system will be damaged.
18:53 Let's say that his seats are 25,
18:55 and you know that
18:57 it was not a free run.
18:59 What will you do?
19:01 You will have to accept the results of the election.
19:03 Now, the party is also talking
19:05 about the election.
19:07 PTI is also talking about it.
19:09 If there is no level playing field,
19:11 then Mr. Mian will not have the option
19:13 to complain.
19:15 But at this time,
19:17 complaints can be made later.
19:19 You keep saying that
19:21 economy is the problem.
19:23 Not a single party has the solutions.
19:25 What solutions are available?
19:27 The solutions are to run the government.
19:29 The economy is linked
19:31 to the political process.
19:33 If the political process is not stable
19:35 and there is a dispute,
19:37 then the economy will not improve.
19:39 Do you believe in another
19:41 charter of democracy type?
19:43 The matter has gone beyond the charter.
19:45 Now you have to talk about the specifics.
19:47 That is why I keep saying
19:49 that this matter should be discussed
19:51 before the elections.
19:53 Decide how the matter will proceed.
19:55 If you want to do a diggory,
19:57 you have to do radical reform in the country.
19:59 You have to change the governance system
20:01 continuously.
20:03 You have to reform the FBR,
20:05 Lajliya, except for the government.
20:07 I am saying that the matter is far beyond
20:09 reform.
20:11 Our current situation is that
20:13 we have to put this person in this position.
20:15 No one has the ability
20:17 to handle this matter
20:19 because the system is bad.
20:21 You have to change the system.
20:23 For that, you need support from everyone.
20:25 You have to see the matters of the provinces.
20:27 Are the provinces going to be running?
20:29 The people have more
20:31 relationship with the economy than the provinces.
20:33 If the provinces do not run,
20:35 the people will not get relief.
20:37 You have to see all these things.
20:39 Do you need more provinces or not?
20:41 This has to be decided today.
20:43 Sir, but this is a political party
20:45 that is on the force.
20:47 Nobody wants to sit down with those
20:49 who are down at the moment.
20:51 This is not possible.
20:53 I have not talked in detail about this.
20:55 But the thing is that
20:57 the party that is on the force today
20:59 should think about this.
21:01 Tomorrow when the situation gets better,
21:03 only that party will get the credit.
21:05 Because there is no income
21:07 in their small party.
21:09 Whenever you have a constitutional amendment,
21:11 you will need a constitutional amendment.
21:13 For that, you need support from everyone.
21:15 It has happened in FATA.
21:17 When the FATA bill was passed,
21:19 there was a constitutional amendment,
21:21 all the parties supported it.
21:23 The government was going to be in power
21:25 in six weeks.
21:27 All these things are possible.
21:29 Is there any intention in the system
21:31 to do this in our political parties?
21:33 Sir, there is no intention.
21:35 We will have to create an intention.
21:37 This is leadership.
21:39 What else is leadership?
21:41 To come to power, to take the chair,
21:43 to become the Prime Minister.
21:45 No, no, no.
21:47 That leadership is unsuccessful.
21:49 This is what we call leadership.
21:51 Everyone has to think about this.
21:53 Sir, you know our politics better.
21:55 It is all about winning the current elections
21:57 and coming to power.
21:59 That is what Pakistani politics is all about.
22:01 Sir, no one has thought about
22:03 what to do in the future.
22:05 You have seen the results.
22:07 But why are we still not learning?
22:09 You do not have the opportunity to learn.
22:11 You will have to learn.
22:13 You will have to do it.
22:15 Every party has failed in the government.
22:17 Your problems have increased so much
22:19 that no one can solve them.
22:21 You will have to understand this.
22:23 I am sorry to say that
22:25 no party has been able to solve
22:27 the problems of the country.
22:29 We can see the results of the elections.
22:31 It is okay that the elections are going on.
22:33 But what will happen after that?
22:35 What will happen on 9th February?
22:37 But sir, in the end,
22:39 you are saying that no one can solve this.
22:41 But no one has done this historically.
22:43 And you have been saying this for so long
22:45 that no one has reached out to you.
22:47 You are saying this right.
22:49 Let's build on this.
22:51 No, no one has reached out.
22:53 This is what I am sad about.
22:55 There used to be space in the past.
22:57 There was space in politics.
22:59 There was space in the nation.
23:01 The matter used to go on.
23:03 Although we were still
23:05 in a state of decline.
23:07 But not at the rate
23:09 that has happened in the last 5-6 years.
23:11 So now there is no scope.
23:13 There is no scope.
23:15 Is it necessary to revisit the NFC
23:17 in the 18th February to
23:19 fix the economic system?
23:21 Either you should revisit it
23:23 or change the relationship
23:25 between the province and the government.
23:27 Financial relationship
23:29 or other relationship?
23:31 No, the whole relationship.
23:33 What will the province do?
23:35 What will the government do?
23:37 What are its responsibilities?
23:39 What are the responsibilities?
23:41 Electricity is being stolen in the morning.
23:43 And the police are not doing anything.
23:45 What will Wafaa do?
23:47 It has a responsibility.
23:49 We have given the province the power,
23:51 the resources, but not the responsibilities.
23:53 More taxes than us,
23:55 each city of India collects.
23:57 I was listening to Mr. Mifta Ismail
23:59 that Pune collects more taxes than Pakistan.
24:01 Here we see that
24:03 Tehran collects its own taxes.
24:05 Look at London, who collects taxes.
24:07 We don't have a system of tax collection
24:09 for the province.
24:11 We don't have a system of tax collection
24:13 for the province.
24:15 We say that the voters will be against us.
24:17 How long will this system work?
24:19 So we need a new social contract.
24:21 This is a new social contract.
24:23 I am saying that
24:25 the relationship between the province
24:27 and Wafaa,
24:29 the relationship with the institutions,
24:31 the system of governance,
24:33 you should change it.
24:35 This system is not
24:37 working.
24:39 This system cannot work.
24:41 This system cannot work.
24:43 We need a change.
24:45 Thank you very much.
24:47 We will come back after the break.
24:49 Welcome back.
24:51 Ali Zafar is with us.
24:53 Ali Zafar, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
24:55 Wa-Alaikum-Salaam.
24:57 Ali Zafar,
24:59 the intra-party elections
25:01 have become a bit of a
25:03 red flag.
25:05 I was watching
25:07 Ahmed Bilal Mahboob
25:09 and he wrote that there are red flags,
25:11 there are many loopholes,
25:13 petitions are being filed.
25:15 Couldn't PTI make this election
25:17 more credible by opening it
25:19 and inviting
25:21 people to fight?
25:23 There should have been a scrutiny.
25:25 You should have completed the whole process.
25:27 But you left yourself at the mercy of the election commission.
25:29 First of all,
25:33 the PTI's 2019
25:35 constitution
25:37 has been
25:39 in accordance with the rules
25:41 that were made.
25:43 The elections were a very simple process.
25:45 The process is that
25:47 one election is for the chairman
25:49 and then the other election
25:51 is for the panel.
25:53 You cannot fight the elections alone.
25:55 All the secret voting is done.
25:57 If no one comes to fight
25:59 the elections on the other side,
26:01 and if the panel
26:03 does not present their vote,
26:05 then they become unopposed.
26:07 You are talking of constitution.
26:09 Let me give you
26:11 another model.
26:13 In our country,
26:15 Imran Khan used to say that
26:17 there are dictatorships in these parties.
26:19 There are fiefdoms in these parties.
26:21 On whom they put their hand.
26:23 If there is no father, there will be no daughter.
26:25 If there is no son, there will be no brother.
26:27 If there is no uncle, there will be no uncle.
26:29 This election,
26:31 which you used to talk about morals and ethics,
26:33 should not have been better.
26:35 You say that technically we have done it right.
26:37 But morally and ethically
26:39 this election should have been right.
26:41 Morally and ethically it was absolutely right.
26:43 We had made an amendment
26:45 in our constitution
26:47 in 2019.
26:49 We had changed
26:51 our constitution
26:53 in 2022.
26:55 We had said that
26:57 we will do it
26:59 according to the new constitution
27:01 which had more elaborate procedure
27:03 and more participation.
27:05 We will do it according to that.
27:07 We did it.
27:09 But the election commission of Pakistan
27:11 said that we do not believe
27:13 in the election you did.
27:15 You should do it according to the original
27:17 constitution of 2019.
27:19 This election was done for the election commission.
27:21 Yes.
27:23 This election was done for the election commission.
27:25 Yes.
27:27 Yes, absolutely for the election commission.
27:29 Otherwise, we did not need it.
27:31 We had done it.
27:33 We had given all the documents.
27:35 But they did not agree.
27:37 You are talking about
27:39 family politics.
27:41 When I met
27:43 Imran Khan
27:45 and I suggested to him
27:47 that we should
27:49 have an intra-party election
27:51 and you should not fight in it.
27:53 You should not fight in it.
27:55 He asked me for suggestions.
27:57 I told him that
27:59 I have received suggestions
28:01 from different circles
28:03 that you should have a relative
28:05 from your family.
28:07 He did not hesitate
28:09 to reject it.
28:11 He said that he was against it.
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36:21 I don't think that everyone is expecting that Imran Khan will win.
36:27 But there has never been a discussion on this.
36:31 The first stage is that you win the election.
36:35 Obviously, if PTI wins the election,
36:39 which will win,
36:41 then the leader, Imran Khan will be the Prime Minister.
36:45 But there are legal restrictions.
36:47 So, there will be problems.
36:49 There are legal restrictions.
36:51 There are legal restrictions.
36:53 You know that there is a debate on that.
36:55 You know that there is a debate on that.
36:57 If the order is suspended,
36:59 then there is no legal change.
37:01 Yes, there are cases.
37:03 But the cases are allegations.
37:05 The cases have not yet been converted into convictions.
37:07 Do you have any fear of the election commission?
37:13 You have been saying that the first election was right.
37:17 You have been saying that the first election was right.
37:19 Do you have any fear that they will not let us win the elections?
37:23 Do you have any fear that they will not let us win the elections?
37:25 If we talk about the law, there is no danger.
37:31 But there are doubts.
37:33 We had a lot of doubts that they will force you to run for the elections again.
37:41 We did not believe it.
37:43 But when the rumour increased,
37:45 the order was not coming.
37:47 The oral order was announced.
37:49 When the order was written,
37:51 it was against it.
37:53 The rumours were true.
37:55 Now, rumours are coming again.
37:57 But there is no legal scope.
37:59 They can do anything.
38:01 Rumours are normal in this country.
38:03 If they do, it will be a very beautiful thing.
38:05 If they do, it will be a very beautiful thing.
38:07 We will challenge it.
38:09 Because the courts are present.
38:11 Because the courts are present.
38:13 The Supreme Court is present.
38:15 And they are doing their job.
38:17 So, whatever decision the Election Commission makes,
38:19 it will not do it first.
38:21 I am sure that they do not have the legal scope
38:23 to challenge any political party's elections.
38:25 to challenge any political party's elections.
38:27 In fact, if you look at the history,
38:29 the Election Commission has never challenged validity elections.
38:31 the Election Commission has never challenged validity elections.
38:33 They have not challenged this.
38:35 They have not seen whether the election was correct or not.
38:37 They have only seen whether the election was correct or not.
38:39 They have only seen whether the election was correct or not.
38:41 Let us look at the history.
38:43 There is always a first time.
38:45 There is always a first time.
38:47 But, you have met.
38:49 But, you have met.
38:51 If a deal is offered, will Imran Khan take it?
38:53 If a deal is offered, will Imran Khan take it?
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