Ano nga ba ang sikreto ng mga atleta sa pagbuo ng winning mindset? Totoo bang ang bawat tagumpay, nagmula sa disiplina?
Alamin natin 'yan kasama si NCAA Season 99 Most Valuable Player at Rookie of the Year, Clint Escamis ng Mapua Cardinals, at ang ating host at safe space, si Doc Anna sa episode na ito ng #ShareKoLang.
Alamin natin 'yan kasama si NCAA Season 99 Most Valuable Player at Rookie of the Year, Clint Escamis ng Mapua Cardinals, at ang ating host at safe space, si Doc Anna sa episode na ito ng #ShareKoLang.
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00:00Hello mga kapuso! Ako si Dr. Anna Tuazon ang inyong kakwintuhan na psychologist sa share ko lang.
00:14To succeed in anything, we need discipline at kitang-kita yan lalo na sa sports.
00:21So paano nga ba nabubuo ang disiplina lalo na sa mga atleta?
00:26Yan ang alamin natin mula kay NCAA Season 99 Most Valuable Player and Rookie of the Year,
00:35Clint Escamiz ng Mapuwa Cardinals!
00:38Hi Clint! Welcome sa share ko lang!
00:40Hello po! Good afternoon po! It's nice to be here po! Thank you!
00:45So actually, give us a glimpse of that behind the scenes.
00:48Kasi ang nakikita lang natin yung laro ne, diba?
00:51What does it take to be a basketball player or an athlete?
00:56First of all, yung number one is non-negotiable po, is yung sleep ko.
01:01Sleep ko lalo na ngayon, I've experienced so much injuries before.
01:06Dealt with ACL injuries and now I find na 8 to 9 to 10 hours of sleep is pinaka maganda for athlete.
01:15At a high level, at a high college level na yung schedule namin ngayon, medyo 3 days game kaagad, 3 days pahinga game kaagad.
01:26Then in between practice, so yun yung kailangan na talaga.
01:30And second, yung nutrition syempre. Yung mga protein kasi when you play basketball, sobrang grabe yung na-lose mo na, na-burn mo na calories.
01:38And of course that is your muscle calories so kailangan mapantayin yun.
01:43And with the right nutrition and the right guidance from my coaches, nagagawa namin.
01:488 to 10 hours of sleep?
01:50Yes.
01:51Dito muna tayo mag-focus.
01:53Kasi even non-athletes, mga regular students, regular people, parang di nila ma-imagine 8 to 10 hours.
02:01Kasi most people, honestly, nasa 5, 6 hours, lalo na akong stress.
02:05So, paano mo siya nagawa? I'm sure hindi madali.
02:10Yes talaga, syempre. That goes with time management talaga.
02:14Syempre kasama natin yung studies.
02:16Para sa akin, nag-start yung morning, 6am.
02:19Minsan, nag-shooting na kami. If mahaba yung pahingat throughout games,
02:24andun na kami, nasa court na kami, nag-shooting na kami nung rookie ko.
02:28Kasi kuya na ako.
02:29So, after nun, mag-nap.
02:31Then sunod, viewing. Viewing kami sa mga previous games sa amin and scouting teams.
02:37Then, yun. Actual team practice natin.
02:40After nun, yung weights namin. Weights training. Importante talaga yun.
02:44So, what time do you go to sleep? Kasi medyo namamind-blown pa rin ako
02:48sa idea ng 8 to 10 hours na student ka na.
02:51Diba? Hindi ka lang kasi athlete eh.
02:53So, studying. Last time when we were communicating, may exam ka pa.
02:58Oo, yun. May exam ka pa.
03:00So, you still have to do all these things. Yun pal, diba?
03:04So, anong oras? Kasi, in a person of your age, college student, diba?
03:09Nightlife is the fun part. So, are you missing out, Clint?
03:14For me, nung high school ako, yun. Medyo nag-enjoy pa ako nung time ko.
03:19Yung mga nightlife, mga ganun.
03:21Siyempre, lahat naman tayo pinagdadaanan yung mga ganun eh.
03:23Pero, eventually, when season starts, you need to lock in talaga yung mga nightlife talaga.
03:29Kailangan talaga sacrifice para sa mga journey niyo para patungo sa championship.
03:34So, daily, siguro natutulog ako mga 9 to 10. 9 to 10, yes. 9 to 10 p.m.
03:41Kahit anong yaya, anong party, wala talaga.
03:46Siyempre may mga ganyan talaga eh. Pero, nope.
03:48It's NCAA season na need to lock in talaga.
03:52Every single detail counts talaga.
03:56I like how you said it. I need to be locked in.
03:58Parang locked in na siya, hindi mo na siya iisipin.
04:01Kasi kanina, you're mentioning sleep, nutrition.
04:03Kasi siyempre, avoiding injuries and recovering from that.
04:07Kasi you mentioned ACL, maraming hindi na nakaka-recover.
04:11Yes.
04:12With that.
04:13So, that's the physical stuff.
04:15Pero, locking in, parang may mental aspect ng discipline and that's the hardest.
04:20Diba?
04:21How do you really...
04:23Ano yung mental discipline para sa'yo?
04:26Kasi mga distractions.
04:28Diba? Yung parang, uy, teka, bata pa ako.
04:31Gusto ko pa mag-date. Gusto ko pa mag-enjoy.
04:34How do you get yourself mentally locked in?
04:38Siyempre, yung mindset ko talaga eh.
04:41Sa pre-season, medyo okay pa eh.
04:43I can relax. I can do this, do that.
04:46But when season times comes, yun yung non-negotiable ko kasi.
04:50Yun yung top priority ko right now.
04:52Even my girlfriend, alam niya yan.
04:54May mga sacrifices talaga na kailangan eh.
04:56So, yun talaga.
04:58There will be ano naman, off days.
05:00Hindi naman, hindi naman barkit ano.
05:02Porke season ka, ano ka, everyday, everyday.
05:06You need to recover then.
05:07Yung day number one, ano.
05:08Yung kailangan ng body namin.
05:10Kasi hard season, recovery is part of that.
05:13And there's days na you can relax and just take the day off from basketball.
05:18But after that day off, you need to go back to work again.
05:21Now, balik tayo.
05:22Kasi na-curious ako eh.
05:23Kasi parang for some people, yung sense of discipline.
05:26Parang ano ba yan? Natural.
05:28Pero what really separates, diba?
05:31The premium athletes is their mentality.
05:35Oo.
05:36Oo.
05:37So, I'm curious ako Clint.
05:38Nung high school ka ba?
05:40Talagang disciplinado ka na ba?
05:42Kasi okuhira pa, teenager.
05:44And discipline.
05:45I feel like the turning point of yung discipline ko is like
05:49nung na ACL injury ako.
05:51Yung talaga.
05:52The most part of that before nag-ACL injury,
05:55I wasn't into...
05:57I was into working out.
05:58But may tawag, poggy weights.
06:00Yun yung tawag.
06:01Sa sports technical na ngayon, na sports science,
06:04na more on focus sa mga performance mo,
06:06sa mga iwas, injuries.
06:08So, after nung na-injury ako,
06:10I think it was a blessing in disguise for me.
06:12Kasi, yun.
06:13I got into more into nutrition,
06:15into more on the sports science of basketball.
06:19And into yun, sa mga workouts ko.
06:21Iba eh. Iba talaga eh.
06:22More on scientific eh.
06:24So, yun yung...
06:25I think you need to have that in part of your life.
06:27Parang realization.
06:29Para makapatutunan ka.
06:31Like, lesson.
06:32So, yun yung para sa akin.
06:34Nung na-injury ako,
06:35dun ako masalong I need to go back harder, stronger,
06:39and twice as who I was.
06:42So, when your ACL injury happened,
06:45Yes.
06:46Naalala mo ba?
06:47What went through your mind?
06:49Actually, I was playing for Makuwa in high school.
06:53Tapos, nung nangyari yun,
06:54dun na, dun na,
06:55pang sinabi sa akin ng doktor na
06:58torn ACL to,
07:00you need to have reconstruction surgery.
07:03Tapos, yung mom ko,
07:04umiyak talaga yung mom ko eh.
07:06That really hurt me.
07:07But ako, like,
07:08okay, andito na to. Andito na tayo.
07:10Like, there's not a day.
07:12Like, there will be days na magpumuka,
07:14pero at the end of the day,
07:15kailangan mo talaga mag, ano,
07:17push through sa mga, ano,
07:19yun. Kasi dream mo to eh. Dream mo eh.
07:21Kahit high school ko pa lang na-injury ka,
07:23then you need to go back to, ano,
07:26twice as stronger at who I was.
07:28And, yun nga, nagawutin nga.
07:30Thank God na nagkauha ko yun.
07:31And God put me through that.
07:34And naka, ano, naka-pass naman ako.
07:37So, walang naging doubt or question sa mind mo na,
07:40babalik ako? Magre-recover ako?
07:43Um, there will be days na parang
07:45tagal naman eh. Ito, ang tagal.
07:47Like, there will be days talaga na malulungkot.
07:49Kasama yun sa, ano, sa injury aspect.
07:52Di lang sa physical, sa mental din.
07:54A lot of people don't know that,
07:57na akala lang nila masakit sa physical.
08:00Pero at the end of the day,
08:01there's, ano, there's mental aspect din.
08:04And kailangan din yung i-train,
08:06i-train na i-train.
08:07Like, watch, uh, for me,
08:09watch Kobe videos.
08:10Kobe inspirational videos.
08:12It helps, it helps.
08:13So, yun yung what I watch, uh,
08:17inspirational videos na,
08:19I can do this, I can do that.
08:20So, yun talaga yung, ano,
08:22at the end of the day, you need to,
08:23ano, understand yun.
08:25Parang do mo na-relax.
08:26Teka, I need to take this seriously.
08:28Hindi ito parang laru-laru lang.
08:30Parang lahat ng ginagawa mo
08:32can either help you become healthy,
08:35maka-recover sa injury,
08:36or actually kung hindi ka mindful, di ba?
08:38You can cause more injuries.
08:40Kung hindi mo talaga alagaan
08:42ang sarili mo.
08:43And so, at what point do you realize,
08:46uy, nagpe-pay off tong discipline?
08:48Yung realization point ko na
08:50how work was paying off is like,
08:52yun, yung last season na,
08:53yun talaga yung season na parang,
08:55nag-ano, nag-blow up ako eh.
08:57Yung talaga yung naramdaman ko yung,
08:59ah, ito na talaga, ito na yung,
09:01kahit napapasabi ko sa coach ko na,
09:03coach, thank you talaga,
09:05ito na yung mga,
09:07pinagkirapan natin yung, what,
09:09two, three years ago.
09:11And it wasn't, alam,
09:12it wasn't a smooth sail for me.
09:15Back when I was Uy,
09:17may times din, after the pandemic,
09:20I was underperforming.
09:21So, yun, and I still trusted my work.
09:25And then, nung lumipat ako sumapuha,
09:28it paid off.
09:30I mean, kasi yun din yun eh, di ba?
09:32Kaya, but if, kung madali ang discipline,
09:35we would all do it, di ba?
09:38Oo, kaya nga discipline siya.
09:40Kasi actually, yung payoff hindi immediate.
09:42Hindi parang nag-exercise ka,
09:44mananalo ka na sa games.
09:48So, in a way, it requires patience nga.
09:51Parang in keeping and trusting in the process na,
09:54at some point, magbibay off to.
09:56I have this quote na, favorite quote na talaga,
09:59no hard work goes unnoticed.
10:02Kahit wala ka man opportunity,
10:06like, natalo ka man or opportunity mo nawala,
10:10eventually, if you keep working hard,
10:12and when that opportunity arises,
10:15you'll be ready and you'll go get it.
10:17Yung talaga yung mentality ko eh,
10:19throughout my career.
10:21Even though, yung matalo ka man,
10:22like last year, masakit, di ba?
10:24One game away from championship.
10:26So close.
10:27Yeah, so close.
10:28Sobrang ano lang talaga ako.
10:30Siyempre, masad ka,
10:31but at the end of the day,
10:33we need to make that frustration into motivation,
10:37and that's what drove me to this year.
10:39So, parang sa umpis, definitely,
10:41developing that sense of discipline.
10:45Mahirap, kasi nga, wala pang payoff.
10:47Minsan, parang feeling mo,
10:49opposite outcome pa yung nangyayari.
10:51Di ba? Parang nagtatrabaho ka,
10:53pero hindi lumalabas.
10:55And then eventually, once it becomes habit na,
10:58parang hindi na kano kahirap,
10:59naturally, gumigising ka na na.
11:01Maaga, hindi ka na nasasayangan
11:03sa early bedtime call mo.
11:06Then it gets easier,
11:08and then once the payoff comes in,
11:10di ba? Parang,
11:11why would you ever do something else?
11:14Oo, yun. Yun talaga.
11:16So yun, yung nakatikim na ako last year na,
11:18based from my experience,
11:20Rookie MVP from Series 14 season,
11:23Rookie MVP, and that says a lot.
11:26Di lang naman, basta-basta,
11:28it doesn't come out of thin air.
11:30It comes from hard work and perseverance talaga.
11:32So, I got a taste of that,
11:34and I want a taste of something more.
11:36And that taste of something more is championship.
11:39And I won this season.
11:41Rookie of the year,
11:42and then this season,
11:44Kuya Clint ka na kaagad.
11:46Rookie to kuya to leader.
11:48Kamusta naman ang progress?
11:51Kamusta ang shift to being kuya?
11:54Siyempre, malaking bagay yun para sa akin kasi
11:58madami din ako natutulan sa mga seniors ko
12:01from last season.
12:02Sila Warren Bonifacio,
12:03sila Paolo Hernandez.
12:04So, madami silang binigay sa akin ng mga lessons na
12:07mga pang-kuya level lang kumbaga kasi
12:10alam naman nila na aasaan ako this season
12:14para sa mga incoming rookies.
12:16So, yun.
12:17Medyo may ano din, may kahihirapan din at una,
12:20pero naka-adjust naman ako over time.
12:22So, ngayon, leader ka na.
12:24Kaya sabi, kuya Clint na ngayon.
12:26Kuya ka na.
12:27And so, does it require a different kind of discipline
12:32this time?
12:33Kasi siguro dati, sarili mo lang.
12:35Ang pake mo and then you just want to contribute
12:38to the team.
12:39Parang ganon.
12:40You just want to prove yourself to the team.
12:42Now, you have to think of the team.
12:45Ikaw na talaga yun.
12:46So, what kind of discipline now do you have to do?
12:51First of all, being a good example to them.
12:55Kasi syempre, if you're a leader, susunodin ka nila.
12:58So, yun.
12:59Yung discipline talaga yun ngayon.
13:01For me ngayon, at first you need to be there on a call time.
13:06Para sa akin, mga 1 or 2 hours before hand ko nga na eh
13:09sa call time na nag-shooting ka na.
13:11Papangit ka mo talaga sa kanila na,
13:13oh, UP MVP to, leader to.
13:16But he's still working 2 hours before our practice.
13:20And syempre, mamotivate yung teammates ko noon
13:23na makasama ko doon 2 hours to 1 hour before na nag-shooting na.
13:28And yun yung gusto kong ipakating sa kanila na
13:33gusto ko sila pahilain, pataas, paangat, paangat.
13:37So, yun.
13:38Gusto ko being a good example, being a good kuya,
13:41on and off the court, yun.
13:43And being there for them.
13:45Yung dati, ako lang yung naalala ko.
13:50Ngayon, sila naman yung parang kinakamusta ko sila.
13:53If I see someone na medyo off din na parang hindi nagsasinta,
13:57nakamusta ko.
13:58Kamusta ka naman, kamusta ka naman.
14:00Yung mga, ano yun.
14:03Gusto ko paging a good kuya and a good leader.
14:06So, yun yung pini-implicate this season.
14:08So, in a way, parang mas mahirap yun.
14:12Hindi ba?
14:13You have to be more disciplined now than ever.
14:17Kasi parang kung dati, parang,
14:19pwede rin, let's say, malate ka.
14:21Actually, minsan din, minsan, may nangyayaki nun na malate talaga ako.
14:26Dahil sa mga workouts ko, gano'n.
14:28But now, I need to be there with the team talaga.
14:31So, yun.
14:33Ano, non-negotiable.
14:34Napawalan malate.
14:35Kasi pag malate ako, ah, pwede pala malate.
14:37See, Captain Cliff nga, nalalate.
14:39So, yun, kagayahin ka.
14:41That's, that all spiraled from there.
14:44Parang kung dati, parang, ah, you just failed your standard.
14:47Ngayon, parang, ah, I just set a lower standard for others.
14:51Parang, so instead na, parang, uy, leader ka na.
14:54Sabi mo nga, rookie MVP.
14:56So, instead of, parang, makakarelax ka.
14:59Di ba? Maging complacent.
15:01Mas lalong, I need, pwede ka pakita.
15:03I need to show up.
15:04Sabi mo nga.
15:06Siyempre para sa'n, blessing in disguise yun.
15:08Para hindi makontento sa nakuha ko from last year.
15:12And may mga ibang teammates din naman ako na nakasama ko from last year.
15:17Maasaan ko naman.
15:19Kasi, you know, being a team captain is a big role talaga for me.
15:23And especially being the best player para sa liga like MVP and rookie every year.
15:30Malaking, ano, mahirap din yun na maging best ka sa this one.
15:35And best at being a leader.
15:37Mahirap talaga.
15:38And for me, aminin ko na, ano talaga, nahihirapan ako ng una.
15:42And my teammates got me through it.
15:44Yung mga nakakatanda, nakakatanda din.
15:47Yan yung mga inaasaan ko na hindi lang ako yung magiging leader.
15:50But for them, nagiging vocal din sila.
15:53Nagiging kuya din sila sa mga younger players on the team.
15:56So, parang kanina din, it also requires support, di ba?
16:00To be a good leader.
16:02And to realize, hindi lang sakin, di ba, hindi lang ikaw.
16:06It's not just you.
16:08You need to draw strength and resources from many places and many people.
16:15So, there's something I'm curious about, Clint.
16:18Kasi nga, you're a student-athlete, di ba?
16:21Yun na nga, butisano if all you, di ba?
16:23Imagine if, are you looking forward to that moment where you can just play basketball
16:27and not have to think of anything else?
16:29Oo naman, pero at the same time, may group talaga ako na, syempre.
16:32Gusto kong mag-graduate eh.
16:34I want to make my parents proud na andun ako sa PACC.
16:39May diploma, syempre, kasama din yun.
16:42Part of my goal.
16:43Ay, syempre, gusto ko din rin mag-play na overseas and play pro,
16:48but yun, syempre, gusto ko din yung isang team na mag-graduate.
16:52So, something I'm curious about, Clint, is
16:54saan mas mahirap maging discipline?
16:57Sa pagiging athlete, playing basketball, or sa pagiging student?
17:02Oo, syempre, para sa akin, pagiging student.
17:05Not gonna lie, pagiging student.
17:06Kasi, syempre, basketball is your passion.
17:10You're there, you're given free tuition na pag-aarad dahil sa basketball.
17:15Syempre, yun din.
17:17Syempre, 50-50.
17:18Pero, yun, kailangan din mag-aaral eh.
17:21Di lang buko bola, kailangan din mag-aaral.
17:25And, yun, I think I'm doing a good job at it.
17:28Kahit sa season, medyo, medyo.
17:31Syempre, taxing yung schedule namin.
17:34But may mga iba naman na tumutulong.
17:36Good po pasok yung support.
17:38So, speaking of that, parang in terms of support,
17:41anong nakatulong sa'yo?
17:43Kasi nga, on times of doubt, yung uncertainty.
17:45Parang, yes, I'm working hard.
17:46Eto na, nandito na yung motto mo.
17:48No hard work goes.
17:49Diba? Unnoticed.
17:51Diba?
17:52I'm sure, yun na nga, hindi ka lang mag-isa.
17:55Diba? Kasi, if you're alone, parang,
17:57it's so easy to quit.
17:58Diba? It's so easy to give up.
18:00So, what kind of support did you get?
18:03And what kind of support do people need
18:04para talaga mag-porsigue?
18:06Syempre, yun yung behind the scenes na
18:08one of my pillars in life is my family.
18:11May family talaga, what got me through that
18:13that injury and that season.
18:16Syempre, yung number one supporter ko,
18:18yung mom ko, and yung mga talagang kuya,
18:20kuya Bill and kuya Mark.
18:21They've been so, how do you say it?
18:24Hard love on me.
18:25Like, sige, okay lang yan.
18:27Mga ginawa mong mali.
18:29Kasi, syempre, ako naglalaro ako.
18:31I'm just in the moment.
18:32Pero sila, nakapanood din lang ako.
18:34Nakikita lang yung mga mali ko.
18:36So, after the game, I seek their advice
18:39kung anuman nagawa kong mali,
18:41kung anuman kulang ko.
18:42And they've been so generous of me na, yun,
18:44i-correct ako.
18:45Na walang halong, how do you say it?
18:49Parang walang pooping, kumbaga.
18:52Parang minsan, di ba?
18:54Di ba?
18:55Hindi madali makatanggap ng criticism.
18:58Lalo na kung, in a way, parang feeling mo,
19:00Uy, ang dami ko na na-achieve.
19:02Parang, Uy, Rookie of the Year na ako.
19:04Bakit meron pa rin ako?
19:05Tama naman.
19:07Pointers!
19:09So, what helps you take in that feedback
19:12and really use it?
19:13Syempre, may isa pa din ako nung sinasabi sa akin
19:16ng coach ko na,
19:17you're only good as your last game.
19:20Doesn't mean how much you, in the past,
19:23achievement mo, like, took your MVP.
19:25But you played a bad game.
19:27You lost to San Beta.
19:29And that's it sa lahat na, like, di ba?
19:32Kailangan talaga, there's always room to improve every day.
19:35And syempre, kung mga nakikita mo sa social media,
19:38minsan yung mga ibang tao, syempre,
19:39tumitaw na parang nakakalungkot.
19:41But at the end of the day, you need to go back.
19:44You need to never back down.
19:46Kailangan mo talaga mag-improve
19:48and use that as motivation para sa akin.
19:51Is there anything you can share sa mga fans
19:55or sa mga nakikinig ngayon
19:57in terms of, yeah, parang, kunyari,
20:00hirapan na sila.
20:01Kunyari, Clint, ayoko na! Ayoko na!
20:03Masyado namang disciplined yan.
20:05What could you tell them
20:06when parang feeling na nila,
20:08hindi ko na kaya?
20:09Mahirap masyado ang discipline.
20:11For me, sabihin ko lang sa kanila,
20:13just take it day by day talaga.
20:15There's nowhere to wait that out.
20:18Pero, think of it na sa...
20:20Andito ka na sa moment na pinag-pray mo,
20:24what, 3, 4, 5 years away.
20:26Why would you stop?
20:28And you need to persevere until you reach that goal.
20:31Kung ano man yung dream mo,
20:33you're almost there naman.
20:34Hinatling talaga.
20:36You're a long way from where you came.
20:38My God, when you think back.
20:40When you think back to your high school
20:42playing days.
20:43Grabe nga eh.
20:45Kinangarap ko lang ito eh.
20:47Actually, kinangarap ko lang talaga
20:49maglago sa college eh.
20:51And then hopefully,
20:53pagpala eh, mapunta sa prosing.
20:55So, yun.
20:57Hindi ko din kinakalimutan na
20:59andito ko kung saan ako ngayon.
21:01Nung pinag-pray ko nung high school ako,
21:03nung bata ako na sana makita ko sa TV
21:06ng mom and dad.
21:08Ayan yun ah.
21:10That keeps me humble.
21:13At the same time,
21:15I came a long way from
21:17that kid na naglalaro sa playground.
21:19Mint, Escamiz.
21:21Rookie MVP.
21:23How many people, you know, enjoy it?
21:25Savor, you know, savor this time.
21:28And kasi,
21:30make sure ah, you have time to enjoy.
21:32Kasi alam ko, sometimes disciplined life
21:34sounds so boring for others.
21:36Parang hindi naman masaya.
21:38Oo naman, syempre.
21:40There might be times na, syempre,
21:42discipline, but the same time,
21:44you're just a person.
21:45You're just a normal person.
21:47At the end of the scene,
21:48kailangan mo talaga i-appreciate
21:50kung paano meron ka,
21:51kung sino yung nasa paligid mo,
21:53yung mga loved ones mo.
21:54At syempre, kung ano,
21:56kung paano binigay siya yun ni Lord.
21:57Talaga, just be thankful.
21:59Thank you, Clint Escamiz of Mapua Cardinals.
22:03Thank you. Thank you, Doc.
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