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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, welcome to the program. I'm your host, Haver Gooman. I'm joined by
00:15Mr. Chaudhary Gulamshahan from Lahore and Mr. Haider Naqvi from Karachi.
00:20In Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf, whose statements will be followed, whose rule will be followed
00:25as long as Bani PTI is in jail. We will talk about his wife Bushra Begum or her sisters.
00:32A very interesting story is being developed. We will talk in detail in the second part of the program.
00:36The 26th constitution has been amended. The 27th constitution will be amended or not.
00:42What statements are coming from the leaders of different political parties.
00:47This is also a part of the program. But viewers, yesterday evening,
00:54Respected Maulana Fazlur Rehman, you know that since a few months,
01:02when the 26th constitution was amended, he has been the center of attention, the center of politics.
01:08In Islamabad, in the G6 sector, where his residence is present,
01:14there, morning, afternoon, evening, we saw that the President of Pakistan,
01:19Respected Asif Ali Zardari is coming. After a short time, we saw that
01:24Bilawal Bhutto Zardari is visiting. The Waqf is less. Respected Shabaz Sharif,
01:29Prime Minister of Pakistan and Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf were visiting there four times a day.
01:34It was a matter of the 26th constitution. The 26th constitution has been amended.
01:39But what is hidden in the statement he gave yesterday?
01:44What is he trying to say? Who is he trying to tell?
01:47He is trying to tell the government of the time, Respected Asif Ali Zardari,
01:52or the leadership of Pakistan Muslim League Noon,
01:55that we have done this work, but we have been forced to do it.
01:59Now, gradually, he is revealing some secrets.
02:04We have to talk about his secret.
02:09First, let's listen to what he said.
02:34Viewers, he has put three or four very important things on the record in this statement.
02:39He has put three or four very important things on the record in this statement.
02:44He has put three or four very important things on the record in this statement.
02:49He has put three or four very important things on the record in this statement.
02:54He has put three or four very important things on the record in this statement.
02:59He has put three or four very important things on the record in this statement.
03:02He has put three or four very important things on the record in this statement.
03:05He has put three or four very important things on the record in this statement.
03:08He has put three or four very important things on the record in this statement.
03:11He has put three or four very important things on the record in this statement.
03:14He has put three or four very important things on the record in this statement.
03:17He has put three or four very important things on the record in this statement.
03:20He has put three or four very important things on the record in this statement.
03:23He has put three or four very important things on the record in this statement.
03:26On 21st October, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf General Secretary Salman Akram Rai
03:33told us during an interview that when we spoke to Maulana Sahib,
03:39he gave us a reference of his own helplessness.
03:44Because of this, we remained silent.
03:47Maulana went to a place and said,
03:49look, they will do what they want, I cannot go beyond this.
03:53Then we said, we cannot support you here.
03:58Maulana Sahib has raised a very big question mark.
04:08Especially, his previous affiliation with Pakistan Muslim League Noon
04:13and the Pakistan People's Party,
04:15is the biggest burden on him.
04:20Respected Bilawal Buttol Dardari said,
04:24Maulana Sahib in or Maulana Sahib out.
04:29We can do everything with our brute majority.
04:34The government didn't have the majority is not factually correct.
04:38They have had the majority.
04:40Now they have the option to either create the majority through a political consensus
04:45of political parties with or without PTI, but with Maulana.
04:48Or to create two thirds of majority through members
04:53who decide that it is worth the cost of having to face a by-election.
04:56The opposition, after so many compromises,
05:01cannot support us even today.
05:04I will have to work with Muslim League Nawaz and their extra members
05:10to legislate on brute majority.
05:17He also explained that they have the majority.
05:21His statement was also published in the newspaper.
05:24This third option to create a consensus can also be used.
05:28If you try to understand Maulana Sahib's statement,
05:32what does he want to say?
05:34At least I didn't understand.
05:36I will go to Chaudhary Sahib in Lahore.
05:38How will he explain?
05:39What did you understand?
05:41He had 11 people with him.
05:43He had bought them.
05:45If he didn't give 8 votes, he could have used 11 votes.
05:50What Maulana Sahib is saying, the government has also been saying this.
05:54This is nothing new.
05:56They have been saying that we have enough numbers.
05:58They have been saying this for a long time.
06:00Bilawal Sahib has also said that we have enough numbers.
06:02With or without Maulana, we have enough numbers.
06:04Maulana Sahib has not said anything unusual.
06:06He has endorsed the information that was already available.
06:08But we have to look at the role of the people's party.
06:11Why did Bilawal Bhutto come to the driving seat of this amendment?
06:14Look, this is the amendment of 1973,
06:16which was passed by Bilawal Bhutto's grandfather, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.
06:19And then when the party came into power in 2008,
06:22through the 18th amendment,
06:24the changes that were made in this amendment,
06:26were tried to be repealed again.
06:28There was NFC.
06:29And apart from this, there were additional powers.
06:31Presidential powers were given to the parliament.
06:33Now, when the people's party has become a part of the government again,
06:36the changes that were made through the 19th amendment,
06:39the people's party wanted them to be repealed in the actual form of the amendment.
06:42That's why Bilawal Bhutto tried to repeal the constitution
06:45that his grandfather had given him,
06:47or the way his mother was working on the Charter of Democracy.
06:52So, I think that a good role has been played by the people's party.
06:56Yes, absolutely. I understand what you are saying.
06:58But you are forgetting one thing, Mr. Nagvi,
07:00that in making this law, this amendment,
07:02Maulana Sahib's father was also a part of it.
07:05Obviously, at that time...
07:06Maulana Sahib supported it, that's why he supported it.
07:08I am coming to that.
07:10Now, Maulana Sahib, Mr. Chaudhary,
07:12you are saying all this with a very heavy heart, with a sad heart.
07:16I would like to hear Maulana Sahib's body language again,
07:20which he said yesterday during a press conference.
07:23Did he say it happily that we did all this,
07:26or did he say it in a helpless state?
07:28There are 56 clauses that are in the original draft.
07:33We brought it to 22 clauses.
07:36If we don't vote after that,
07:38they bought the members from within,
07:40and it is a fact that they bought them.
07:42They needed 8 of our votes,
07:44they had bought 11 votes.
07:46And then we protected them.
07:48If we hadn't voted,
07:49then the draft would have been worse than the original draft,
07:52and it would have been successful.
07:54Now, this is a credit that Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman Sahib is taking,
07:58that the original draft was a very bad draft.
08:01You must remember that night,
08:03that night, Respected Bilawal Brutus Dadari Sahib,
08:06who was present,
08:07on the night between 13th and 14th September,
08:09when an attempt was made,
08:10which Maulana Sahib successfully stopped.
08:13But during all this time,
08:17the government people kept talking about their plan B,
08:21which I think Maulana Sahib covered up.
08:24What did the government people say?
08:25Listen to this as well.
08:27If Maulana Sahib refuses the coming constitutional amendments,
08:35then we will follow plan B, Inshallah.
08:37Maulana Sahib is not in need of that vote.
08:39Otherwise, the government has plan B as well.
08:41Is it possible to complete the number without Maulana?
08:44I think it is possible.
08:48So, Maulana Sahib was aware
08:51that the people will complete it,
08:53but if you look at it,
08:55Maulana Sahib did good politics.
08:57What do you say, Vijay Sahib?
09:01Whether he did good or bad,
09:02this is a constitutional amendment,
09:04that by buying the loyalties of other parties,
09:07by making them loots,
09:08by giving them money,
09:09or by calling them drafts,
09:10you vote for them.
09:13And there is no benefit of the people in this amendment.
09:18There is hardly anything,
09:20except for the freedom of the judges.
09:27Tell me,
09:29one clause that he has passed,
09:31how does it improve the life of the government?
09:37You have created a scene.
09:41Vijay Sahib, he is saying that
09:43separate benches will be formed,
09:45cheap justice.
09:46You tell me,
09:47you have become their guard.
09:49Give me one reason,
09:50for passing of this amendment.
10:19The Prime Minister,
10:20or the Pakistan People's Party,
10:22Mr. Nagni is saying that
10:24it is their lead character.
10:26So, who is he saying that
10:27they have bought the people?
10:29Mr. Chaudhary.
10:32Who has bought the people?
10:33Not them,
10:34those who are sitting in the assemblies.
10:36Who else was going to buy the
10:38loyalties of the ruling party?
10:40Those who were giving money,
10:41whether it was the people of Lahore,
10:43or the people of Karachi,
10:44or the people of Islamabad,
10:45how would I know?
10:46I was neither making a deal
10:48between them,
10:49nor do I become a party
10:51in this kind of work.
10:53Can I say something?
10:54Do you have any information?
10:56Yes, what is the serious matter?
10:57Please continue.
10:58The serious matter is that
11:00they have played with the constitution,
11:02and they have killed the freedom of justice.
11:05And Pakistan has been unnecessarily
11:07targeted for derailment and
11:09injustice in the name of
11:11improving the lives of
11:13the people of Pakistan.
11:16That is, in all the amendments,
11:18except for one or two people
11:20who did not like it,
11:22they did not allow it to be made.
11:26Mr. Nagri, this question that is
11:28being raised,
11:29I think you have not given
11:31much importance to it.
11:33Maulana is directly accusing
11:35the government of buying the people.
11:38If we could repeat what
11:40Maulana was saying,
11:42he is saying that they have
11:44bought 11 people and
11:46kept them in a safe place.
11:48Listen to this,
11:50they used the word
11:52Panagha.
11:54They bought the people
11:56from inside,
11:58and they bought them
12:00from the factory.
12:02They bought 11 votes
12:04and kept them in Panagha.
12:06If we had not voted...
12:08Mr. Nagri, you know that
12:10this amendment is based on
12:12the same point that
12:14has been challenged.
12:16Was the vote taken
12:18under coercion?
12:20Was the vote taken
12:22forcefully?
12:24If people have voted
12:26in the voice of someone
12:28other than their conscience,
12:30then on this basis,
12:32this amendment should be
12:34declared as illegal.
12:36Do you think that
12:38Maulana's statement
12:40can be used as evidence?
12:42Look, if you talk about
12:44the Supreme Court in the end,
12:46then I'll start answering from here.
12:48The law never believes in half the truth.
12:50The law believes in the whole truth.
12:52And the whole truth will be that
12:54Maulana will tell the name of
12:56those 11 people who were bought.
12:58The only thing to say is that
13:0011 people were bought.
13:02On what basis will you defend
13:04this in the Supreme Court?
13:06Maulana said that 11 people were sold.
13:08This is very wrong.
13:10It's not possible.
13:12Then the lawyer will say,
13:14Mr. X, Mr. Y, Mr. Z,
13:16they were given this money.
13:18This is the transaction.
13:20This is the evidence.
13:22Now you declare this amendment
13:24as illegal.
13:26Then the decision can be made.
13:28But Maulana could have said
13:3011, 40, 50, or 4.
13:32But if Maulana wants to
13:34give his statement as evidence,
13:36then Maulana should tell the name
13:38of those 11 people,
13:40whether they belong to his Jama'at
13:42or any other Jama'at.
13:44Secondly, it's in air
13:46that you bought 11 people.
13:48These people also said
13:50that they have enough people.
13:52Maybe they want to say something
13:54psychological for other people.
13:56Look, we have enough people.
13:58If you don't vote, you will
14:00harm yourself, not us.
14:02Such psychological gimmicks
14:04are very well-known legally.
14:06Yes, you can use it in political debates.
14:08You can use it in talk shows.
14:12Mr. Naqvi, you are right.
14:14It's right to put such allegations
14:16in a press conference
14:18or in a speech.
14:20But to prove it in a court of law,
14:22Mr. Naqvi is right.
14:24Mr. Chaudhary, it's right.
14:26If Maulana had this information
14:28that he has enough people,
14:30he bought 11 people,
14:32he would have proved
14:34that he has enough people.
14:36But Maulana is taking credit
14:38that he knew that
14:40he had to do the work.
14:42He brought forward
14:44a dirty term,
14:46a clean term.
14:48He has created a lot of confusion.
14:50If he is called to the court
14:52in this regard,
14:54then he will have to prove
14:56that you have given the name
14:58of 11 people.
15:00Mr. Chaudhary,
15:02the 5 people who voted
15:04are in front of us.
15:06You will have to prove
15:086 more people.
15:10I have heard that your PTI
15:12people are coming back
15:14after giving their explanation.
15:16Whether they come back
15:18or leave,
15:20when it comes to buying and selling,
15:22our great Chief Justice
15:24who has just retired,
15:26Ameer Khar,
15:28he had given him a license
15:30to go and make lotto
15:32and give him money
15:34and buy his board.
15:36The arrangement in 63A
15:38or the undue
15:40in his review,
15:42this is the net result
15:44of that.
15:46A week ago,
15:48on 24th October,
15:50Aslam Gauri,
15:52who is the translator
15:54of Jamiat-ul-Malik,
15:56he said that
15:58Chief Justice will become
16:00a senior judge,
16:02but the promise
16:04was broken.
16:06What did he say?
16:08Your Chief Justice
16:10was Mansoor Chaudhary.
16:12Anyway,
16:14we had kept his name
16:16in the beginning.
16:18We said that we should
16:20keep Mansoor Chaudhary's name.
16:22Almost everyone agreed.
16:24But he went to the committee
16:26and when he saw that
16:28he became a senior judge,
16:30he went to the committee.
16:32Mr. Nagbir,
16:34do you have any information
16:36about this matter?
16:38Did this promise
16:40go against the promise
16:42of the committee or
16:44is it just a rumor?
16:46Let me tell you
16:48why Mansoor Ali Shah
16:50could not become Chief Justice.
16:52Who is responsible?
16:54Who are the people
16:56who did not allow
16:58Mansoor Ali Shah to become
17:00Chief Justice?
17:02Those people
17:04who did not allow
17:06Ayni Court to become
17:08Chief Justice.
17:10If Ayni Court was being formed,
17:12Mansoor Ali Shah would
17:14have been the Chief Justice
17:16and the head of Ayni Court
17:18would have been someone else.
17:20There are many anomalies.
17:22The problem is that
17:24if you want to act on this,
17:26then you need
17:28the 27th Ayni Tarmim.
17:30That is why the government
17:32has left the feeler.
17:34One minister says that
17:36the 27th Ayni Tarmim is coming.
17:38The second minister says
17:40that there is no need.
17:42The third minister says
17:44that it is coming.
17:46The fourth minister says
17:48that the 27th Ayni Tarmim is not coming.
17:50Not less than the law minister.
17:52The fourth minister says that
17:54there is no need.
17:56Now it seems that
17:58the environment is being formed.
18:00When the environment is formed,
18:02the 27th Ayni Tarmim will also come.
18:04We will talk in detail after the break.
18:06Viewers,
18:08the current government
18:10is trying to give the impression
18:12that the Tarmim is coming.
18:14In this regard,
18:16what are the statements
18:18given in the last few days?
18:20There is a possibility
18:22that more Tarmim will come.
18:24The original package of Tarmim
18:26has been curtailed
18:28so that maximum support
18:30can be provided.
18:32Obviously,
18:34if there are any problems
18:36in the 26th Ayni Tarmim,
18:38there is always room for improvement.
18:40That is why the 27th Ayni Tarmim
18:42is not a big deal.
18:44The leadership of the government
18:46said that when the 26th Ayni Tarmim
18:48was being worked on,
18:50the demands of different parties
18:52from different parties
18:54said that
18:56they will bring it
18:58in the next amendment.
19:00This is our position
19:02that we will bring as much Tarmim
19:04as is needed until the matter is settled.
19:06The 27th Ayni Tarmim is coming very soon.
19:08According to the need of the time,
19:10the government will announce it.
19:14Now the viewers
19:16take you to the statements
19:18of the ministers of the government
19:20who are saying that
19:22they have no intention of bringing
19:24any Tarmim.
19:44There is no such possibility
19:46that the 27th Ayni Tarmim is coming.
19:58Viewers,
20:00this is the same law minister
20:02when he was asked
20:04if the 26th Ayni Tarmim is coming.
20:06This is an incident before the 26th Ayni Tarmim.
20:08Even then, he said that
20:10no such Tarmim is coming.
20:14The 27th Ayni Tarmim is coming.
20:16You know better than me
20:18what I am saying.
20:20Senator Kamran Murtaza
20:22of JUIF
20:24who has been engaged
20:26in this process
20:28with the government
20:30What is he assessing now?
20:32What is his comment on this?
20:34Why has the government
20:36left this process as a feeler?
20:38The feeler leaves
20:40for water testing.
20:42We will see what happens after that.
20:44Apparently,
20:46the remaining agenda
20:48of the 56 clauses
20:50he wants to fulfill.
20:52Or it is also possible
20:54that there are some things
20:56in the 26th amendment
20:58that cannot be answered.
21:00There will be some issues
21:02where we will reach a dead end.
21:04Maybe he is trying to fix that.
21:06Viewers,
21:08he is talking.
21:10He is a water tester.
21:12But he has also mentioned a dead end.
21:14I would like to hear
21:16his comment again.
21:18There are some things
21:20in the 26th amendment
21:22that cannot be answered.
21:24There will be some issues
21:26where we will reach a dead end.
21:28Viewers,
21:30the biggest dead end
21:32of the 26th Ayni Tarmim
21:34was the
21:36appointment of judges.
21:38He appointed
21:40one of the top three judges
21:42through the parliamentary committee.
21:48The next issue
21:50is the formation
21:52of a judicial commission
21:54and the formation of
21:56constitutional benches
21:58through the judicial commission
22:00and the appointment of judges.
22:02There are 13 members
22:04of the judicial commission.
22:06Mr. Naggi,
22:08there will be
22:10five judges
22:12in the judicial commission.
22:14There will be
22:16four senior judges
22:18and one senior member
22:20of the constitutional bench.
22:22There will be
22:24five senior members
22:26of the constitutional
22:28bench.
22:30After that,
22:32there will be
22:34two members of the opposition
22:36and one member of the Bar Council.
22:38There will be only five members
22:40from the government.
22:42Now, the senior member
22:44of the constitutional
22:46bench will be formed
22:48and then a senior member
22:50will be elected.
22:52Now, who will form
22:54the Ayni bench?
22:56There is no explanation
22:58in the 26th Ayni Tarmim.
23:00There are 13 members
23:02and one member
23:04will be the senior member
23:06of the Ayni bench.
23:08The Ayni bench
23:10will be formed
23:12by the judicial commission.
23:14Mr. Naggi,
23:16who will form
23:18the Ayni bench?
23:20This is a big question
23:22that we are facing.
23:24Mr. Naggi,
23:26there should have been
23:28a one-liner explanation
23:30that the Ayni bench
23:32will be formed
23:34without a senior member
23:36of the judicial commission.
23:38Mr. Naggi,
23:40the Ayni bench
23:42will be formed
23:44without a senior member
23:46of the judicial commission.
23:48Mr. Naggi,
23:50the Ayni bench
23:52will be formed
23:54without a senior member
23:56of the judicial commission.
23:58You are doing all this
24:00in Parliament,
24:02outside the Parliament,
24:04in courts, on the streets.
24:06You are fighting,
24:08and making decisions.
24:10You should also do something
24:12that will benefit the people.
24:14For the people,
24:16this is what we are doing
24:18and this is for the people.
24:20The story began
24:22where the people stood.
24:24The talk about the Ayni bench
24:26that there is a lot of burden on the courts.
24:28A lot of cases are pending
24:30and because of the pending cases, the judges don't get time.
24:33That's why we are making a separate Constitution,
24:35a separate court,
24:37and the court of these cases will be separate.
24:39But I can't hear from anywhere
24:41what was done for those cases,
24:43what kind of strategy was made,
24:45what kind of planning was done,
24:47what kind of bifurcation did you do,
24:49did you give such instructions to the courts,
24:51nothing is coming forward.
24:53So as long as those cases,
24:55on which the public has been crying for years,
24:57doesn't make a big decision
24:59and doesn't tell the Pakistani people,
25:01all the decisions of your amendments
25:03or those that are against it or those that are in its favor,
25:05will just seem like a joke.
25:07Okay, one thing, Mr. Nagri,
25:09the two or three issues that you have highlighted,
25:11the full court meeting that took place two days ago,
25:14Justice Yahya Iftihar, Chief Justice,
25:16he headed it.
25:18Justice Mansoor, who is a senior judge,
25:20a senior penal judge, has a formula,
25:22that was discussed,
25:24and it has been decided that
25:26how the cases will be heard soon.
25:28I will also talk about the High Court and Session Courts.
25:30Okay, now you said a very good thing,
25:32Kamran Murtaza is also raising this question,
25:34Mr. Chaudhary,
25:36that if you are so sincere
25:38that you want people to get cheap justice,
25:40then increase the number of judges in the High Court
25:42or increase it below that.
25:44You are saying that we have to bring
25:46five judges in the Supreme Court.
25:48The cases in the Supreme Court are already there.
25:50Listen to what he is saying.
25:52The number that is already there
25:54in the High Courts,
25:56almost half of the High Courts are empty.
25:58Especially Lahore High Court,
26:00where there is the most crowd.
26:02In Balochistan, some seats are empty.
26:04In Sindh, many are empty.
26:06This is the situation in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
26:08So, first of all, complete them.
26:10If you want to prove good intentions,
26:12then first complete them.
26:14In the High Courts,
26:16where there is more crowd,
26:18and if you complete the number,
26:20then even after that,
26:22if there is a problem,
26:24then we will complete it.
26:26But not in such a way
26:28that you increase the number of judges
26:30to bring people of your choice.
26:32Or if someone says,
26:34we are in the government,
26:36we will have a majority in the commission,
26:38then do whatever you want.
26:40This will not be a good sign,
26:42a good message.
26:44Chaudhary Ghulam Sain,
26:46the news is that
26:48the 26th amendment
26:50will not be implemented.
26:52Will the government be able to do it?
26:54What news do you have?
26:56Whatever news I have,
26:58it is contrary to that.
27:00I have not seen this work going on.
27:02It is a matter of days and weeks.
27:04So, anyway,
27:06what you are doing is right.
27:08Ask them,
27:10the 26th amendment,
27:12the last three months,
27:14the people,
27:16who are called Sukhnepai in Punjabi,
27:18the meeting is going on at 12 pm,
27:20now it is 3 pm,
27:22now it is 4 pm,
27:24now it is going here,
27:26now it is going there.
27:28What did you want to do?
27:30You wanted to make Qazi,
27:32but you failed.
27:34Then you said,
27:36these two judges
27:38should not be made.
27:40If this is successful,
27:42this 26th amendment,
27:44they have succeeded
27:46in denying their right.
27:50That is,
27:52you have taken all the appointments
27:54of the other judges
27:56in your favor.
27:58As I have said before,
28:00do the same to the other judges
28:02in the same way.
28:04Let's go.
28:06Sir, let's finish the talk.
28:08Nothing is right.
28:10Nothing is right.
28:12Whether they do it on 28th or 28th,
28:14that is a different matter.
28:16We will discuss it tomorrow.
28:18But they are groping in the dark.
28:20They have achieved nothing.
28:22Groping in the dark.
28:24And they have wasted money.
28:26Absolutely right.
28:28Let's go to the break.
28:30After the break,
28:32we will talk about Aleema Khan.
28:34Our new advisor Butt
28:36has given us a story
28:38about the changes in PTI.
28:40Welcome back.
28:42Special Investigation Cell
28:44is the head of PTI.
28:46Our new advisor Butt
28:48has given us a story.
28:50The story is that
28:52senior leaders of the party
28:54of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
28:56have complained
28:58to the PTI
29:00that Aleema's sister
29:02makes statements in the party.
29:04She doesn't listen to the party.
29:06She speaks her mind.
29:08She does press conferences.
29:10Uncensored.
29:12Because of this,
29:14the party is facing a lot of problems.
29:16The PTI told us
29:18to ignore her.
29:20Of course, her brother is in jail.
29:22Maybe that's why
29:24she makes emotional statements.
29:26Now, Mr. Bachodi Ghulam,
29:28the news that is going on,
29:30we talked about it yesterday.
29:32You know,
29:34the PTI has clarified
29:36that Bushra Bibi
29:38has nothing to do
29:40with the political affairs of the party.
29:42Now, this news,
29:44Aleema Khan,
29:46I know you have received the news.
29:48Our sources have told us
29:50that you are in contact with her.
29:52How much truth is there in this news
29:54that she influences
29:56the party's decision-making processes
29:58at some level?
30:02I have seen
30:04that
30:06whatever Mr. Khan's
30:08wishes are,
30:10whatever he wants the party
30:12to do,
30:14he conveys
30:16the message of Mr. Khan
30:18to them.
30:20And this has happened many times
30:22that the message Mr. Khan gave
30:24was used against it.
30:26And because of this,
30:28many problems have arisen.
30:30They have said
30:32that Khawar Ghumman
30:34should be given
30:36a free hand.
30:38He should be given food in a good place.
30:40They say, no, they don't give food.
30:42He should be given food in a good place.
30:44They say he should not be given a lift.
30:46This has happened many times.
30:48That's why Aleema
30:50and her other sisters
30:52say that we have no role
30:54in the party.
30:56We have no enmity, no friendship,
30:58no relationship.
31:00One question arises here
31:02that if their party
31:04has no political relationship with them,
31:06then why did they send a message
31:08through their sister?
31:10The rest of the party members are meeting.
31:12Now all their lawyers are meeting.
31:14The rest of the party leaders are meeting.
31:16That's the thing.
31:18Mr. Khan told you
31:20that Khawar Ghumman
31:22should be given $2 billion.
31:24Oh God!
31:26One million is enough.
31:28What news do you have about this?
31:32How much news is this?
31:34Not $2 billion,
31:36$1 billion is enough.
31:38Let me tell you one thing
31:40about Bushra Bibi
31:42that you said that she has no political
31:44relationship with them.
31:46Mr. Khan, when he was the Prime Minister,
31:48he admitted many times
31:50that he knows everything
31:52about what is happening in the country
31:54from his wife.
31:56Why doesn't he talk about it?
31:58Bushra Bibi has a lot of political
32:00relationship with them
32:02and she has a lot of influence.
32:04There is no doubt about it.
32:06When Prime Minister Imran Khan
32:08was the Prime Minister,
32:10he admitted it many times.
32:12As far as his sisters are concerned,
32:14they have a lot of influence
32:16and they don't listen to him.
32:18When a person becomes
32:20the center of attention,
32:22because Aleema Khan
32:24has become the center of attention
32:26in the party,
32:28just like she stood alone
32:30and no one reached D-Chowk.
32:32In many other places,
32:34she said that she would
32:36protest alone if people did not come.
32:38When she becomes the center of attention,
32:40then she talks like this.
32:42This is human psychology.
32:44There is a political committee
32:46and a core committee of Pakistan
32:48for Justice.
32:50According to my information,
32:52despite all this,
32:54there is still
32:56some confusion
32:58in the PTI.
33:00What do you think is the reason?
33:02One or two reasons
33:04are obvious.
33:08There are five reasons.
33:10How much time do you have?
33:12Count it.
33:14The first reason is that
33:16this party has people,
33:18supporters, workers
33:20and leaders.
33:22There is no chain of command.
33:24The second reason is that
33:26this party is inside the party
33:28and not accessible to everyone.
33:30The family members
33:32and lawyers
33:34can come and
33:36present their messages.
33:38This is the reason for the confusion.
33:40The third reason is that
33:42there has been a lot of
33:44penetration in this party
33:46because this has been the target
33:48of a lot of people.
34:02We will continue this story
34:04tomorrow.
34:06See you tomorrow.
34:08Allah Hafiz.